YTSEJAM Digest 3048
Today's Topics:
1) Wall o' Shit!
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
2) DT vs. Queensryche...?
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
3) How To Listen To FII
by Steven Zinck <zincks@ohsu.EDU>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3045
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
5) In response to FAQ problems.
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
6) ()YtseCon)()()()**
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
7) Ugh more FAQ talk
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
8) FAQ
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
9) Re: Hell's Kitchen - the origination
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
10) Re: Merlo
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
11) Origin of Hell's Kitchen
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
12) Re: Hell's Kitchen - the origination
by "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3044
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
14) Hell's Kitchen Origination
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
15) Stop service
by "Reiner Teichmann" <rkteichm@rapidnet.com>
16) Re: Get FII In The U.K. N-O-W !
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
17) FII on the radio!!
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloudstate.edu>
18) Metroplis Pt. 2
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
19) Dream Theatre (ack! ack!)
by David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:45:49 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wall o' Shit!
Message-ID: <3431AB4D.51952D9A@asu.edu>
Sure, that review was LOADED with ignorance and nimb-witted accusations,
but why don't you check out thier reviews on the Spice Girls' album or
Oasis' new one?
That's alright, I'm okay, it happens to me everyday. :)
~Eckie writes his own review, 'n sees what THEY think.....
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT vs. Queensryche...?
Message-ID: <970930215619_1275603194@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Hello all!
I was just listening to HitNF from Queensryche when I noticed something....
In "Hero" (track 8) the chorus is:
"I'm in the big machine. My next hero's calling.
Who knows what he may bring to me?"
Now, on FII, in JLMB (track 9) there is:
"The big machines take care of you..." (You should have this memorized by
now.. Test next week :} )
Could this be a crack at Queensryche? Opinions (nipples) anyone? (ya like I
needed to say that :} )
~Lisa
(BTW, I like HitNF, but I LOVE FII... I think my cd is getting warped from
continual play.)
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:01:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Zinck <zincks@ohsu.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How To Listen To FII
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970930180356.29222A-100000@steele>
OK everyone.
I want you all to pretend for a while that you've never heard of Dream
Theater, nor have you ever heard any of their music. Pretend a friend just
gave you FII and said, "Hey man, you've gotta check this cd out, it's
pretty good."
Now listen to FII straight through in its entirety. I think its then
that you have to say, "Hey, this is some of the best music that's been
written in a long time, especially compared to most of the crap that's
out there, and this is an awesome band."
My point is that this cd should be listened to and reviewed based on its
own merits, and not in relation to anything else, including previous DT
music. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you listen to
FII with an "Images and Words frame of mind" or an "Awake frame of
mind". This is true for listening to any cd by any band as well.
As we've all figured out by now, FII is different from there previous
work, and that is what I think make's this cd even more special. The
diversity of this music proves them to be even more talented than I had
already believed them to be. Musical diversity is a trait that I think
some of the best bands of all time have possessed. Queen is a perfect
example. They routinely ran the entire musical spectrum in one album.
If you don't already have "News of the World", go buy it. Then listen to
"Sheer Heart Attack", "Sleeping on the Sidewalk", "Who Needs You", and
"My Melancholy Blues", and then realize it's the same band making all
these songs. Because of this diversity, their music reached more people,
and from a musical standpoint, one must appreciate the ability to play
various musical styles well.
Dream Theater now shows this ability better than they ever have before.
So take the music on FII for what it is on its own, and not in relation
to anything else. I'm happy that this cd doesn't sound like their
previous cd's. To think that this band has made music as diverse and as
awesome as on WDADU, I&W, Awake, and FII, makes them that much more of an
incredible band. Don't worry, we'll always have Metropolis Pt. 1, LtL,
Scarred, ACOS, etc., and we can listen them whenever we want! Nobody can
take that stuff away from us! But now we have a whole new dimension in
DT to enjoy and appreciate. Sure, FII has its imperfections, and there
are things I don't like about it, but most have that has already been
discussed...in a fair amount of detail.
So if after trying my little psychological experiment, you still don't
like FII for whatever reason, that's fair enough. Besides, Metropolis
Pt. 2 is just around the corner...
Steve Zinck
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:22:31 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3045
Message-ID: <3431B3E7.1645@net1plus.com>
> releasing the video for Hollow Years to VH1.
Can't wait. The Jam will soon include:
1)Prog Heads
2)Metal Heads
& 3)Old Housewives :)
~-~Jon Dery~-~
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no prejudice against any type of Dream
Theater fan, housewife or otherwise. If the above has offended anyone,
I apoligise as it was meant to be taken lightheartedly.
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:38:29 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In response to FAQ problems.
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970930223829.007ab8d0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
I have a bit of constructive advice for everyone on the jam to help out
the newcomers. Instead of getting angry at the new people, lets end off
some or all of our posts for a while with (example)
Later, J
***For more information on basic DT info, refer to the FAQ******
Good idea? Maybe.. If you like the idea, why not just do it, for a little
while at least. The more people that get on here, the more opinions and
also that means that more people are listening! : ) Later, J
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:37:20 -0400
From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ()YtseCon)()()()**
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971001013720.006d5f34@pop.mindspring.com>
>YtseCon in California. Since nobody else wants to plan one, I
>
I remember way back when...What about a YTseCon in VEGAS?
The advantage to that is there is always a good deal to get
to VEGAS! Plus rooms are (sometimes) cheaper.
VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS --------------------------------
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:56:34 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ugh more FAQ talk
Message-ID: <3431D802.49B@concentric.net>
Hi eveyrone,
> From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
> Subject: The great FAQ debate
> we've now had 6-7 long posts
> and one person who saw fit to repost the entire fucking welcome message back
> to the list (thanks, by the way), all in the name of saving precious bandwidth.
> Good thinking.
Plus, we now have you're wonderful remarks! WOOHOO! I love the Ytsejam.
Hey, come on someone spell something wrong so I can jump on 'em! Or how
about someone gets offended by a four letter word in a song or in my
posts. [I dare you to flame me, in private email of course =]
I personally don't like the idea of people posting to the list about
stuff in the FAQ. Why in my day, you had to read the FAQ, and then you
could join this list. (yes I found this list through the FAQ) The rest
is...Well, my annoying presence on here! :)
--- I know this isn't in the FAQ...Where can I find the Top whatever for US releases? And also when are BMS, YNM, and HW going to be put out as singles?
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:44:07 -0400 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FAQ Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970930224407.007bb100@192.168.255.1>
just some basic questions, hopefully not yet covered on the FAQ...
anyone know who the referenced anna lee or vanessa in FII are?
anyone know why of all the things, at the end of PMU, hamlet was used... someone in the band partial to hamlet at that point in time?
>FAQ >--- > > The faq (Frequently asked questions with answers) can be > retrieved via email by sending: > > get ytsejam dtfaq-4.0.txt > > to ytsejam-request@ax.com with a subject of "asdf". > > The FAQ is currently maintained by Jason Skewes and includes > background on many of the songs, answers to many historical > questions, and sources for some of the samples used. Highly > recommended :) > > It is also available via www.
by my copy of the (way back when), and the above earlier posted... there is no "requirement to read the FAQ before posting... it's merely "highly recommended"...
Later, Jason
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:22:02 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hell's Kitchen - the origination Message-ID: <199710010322.XAA24705@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> So I was watching the Simpson's today. It was the one Halloween > episode where Homer sells his soul for a doughnut. And when he signs > the contract, a little demon appears with the doughnut on a platter. And > this little demon is wearing an apron that says "Hell's Kitchen" on it! > A few of the members of DT (especially MP) are Simpson's fans, so that > leads me to the conclusion that this is where they got the name. Maybe > we can add this to the barrel of questions to be asked for the FAQ.
I hate to burst your bubble on this, but Hell's Kitchen is a neighborhood of New York City, on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. (Maybe it's where the recording studio is, I dunno.)
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:23:29 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Merlo Message-ID: <199710010323.XAA24723@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> Anyway, good to see that we could put our differences aside > Merlo....by the way, why does PMU end so......just kidding :)
OK, watch it, paisan. :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:40:04 -0600 From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Origin of Hell's Kitchen Message-ID: <199710010341.DAA52318@out1.ibm.net>
>So I was watching the Simpson's today. It was the one Halloween >episode where Homer sells his soul for a doughnut. And when he signs >the contract, a little demon appears with the doughnut on a platter. And >this little demon is wearing an apron that says "Hell's Kitchen" on it! >A few of the members of DT (especially MP) are Simpson's fans, so that >leads me to the conclusion that this is where they got the name. Maybe >we can add this to the barrel of questions to be asked for the FAQ.
Actually, Hell's Kitchen is a section of New York City. Apparently, Avatar Studios (formerly The Power Station) is located on the Western edge of Hell's Kitchen. I've only been to NYC once...so I'm not familiar with the area. Is that in the Brooklyn area?
Being quite poor these days, I dropped by my local Barnes and Noble to sit and read the DT articles in the new magazines. I found a great (albeit, short) interview with the whole band in Guitar (for Practicing Musicians). I never realized that previously during their recording process, the band had very little interaction. I knew that they recorded each of their parts separately, but I didn't realize that they didn't really work together much. Of course, they didn't go into the studio until they had played the songs together hundreds of times, I'm sure. Still, it gives me even more appreciation for the album knowing that it was a positive experience for the band.
I also checked out the Metal Blade article as well...very impressive, and nice photos. I like the way they had a copy of a Theater of Dreams 'zine next to the Fix for '96 time schedule. I'm going to have to subscribe even if I can't understand the text. ToD looks like a top notch fanzine. No offence to DTIFC...(cough! COLOR!)...at least the content is good.
I'm sure for anyone who's heard CiANITG (Caught in Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden for the acronym impaired), you recognize the music behind the beginning verse of New Millennium...yet I haven't even seen a mention of it here. I'm sure that I missed it between that initial onslaught of "FII Sucks" posts that flooded the 'jam after last Tuesday. Kinda funny, even though he's singing a different melody, James does kinda stick to the CiANITG vocal sound on NM...at least that initial verse. I love it. Everything about the vocals on this album impresses me thoroughly. I love the lack of heavy vibrato (which is not only volume "wavering", but sometimes pitch changing as well) this time around. I still love the old stuff...but James' vocals on FII are definitely more accessible. Hell, my girlfriend, who has put up with my DT fanaticism for over 3 years, even admits that she can "tolerate" most of the CD (exception TAMP and YNM because of the choruses)...and she HATES Dream Theater. There is hope yet....at least it'll make long road trips with her a little more tolerable if I can play FII...I&W was strictly forbidden, punishable by long term celibacy.
Do we have anyone on here born before 1965? Just curious if I was the only older DT fan on the jam.
I've been sitting here all night learning Peruvian Skies...seems to help a lot to have the album AND the JP clinic tape. It's amazing how a seemingly simple song can turn out to be much more complex than you realized. Now I'll have a new "Calling all DT fans" to play at Guitar Center....either that or "Sir, would you please put that down?".
Life is good.
Tom Baddley
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:41:51 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hell's Kitchen - the origination Message-ID: <199710010244.WAB73656@node1.frontiernet.net>
Hello,
Robert "Tractor" (sorry had to) Traylor wrote: > So I was watching the Simpson's today. It was the one Halloween > episode where Homer sells his soul for a doughnut. And when he signs > the contract, a little demon appears with the doughnut on a platter. > And this little demon is wearing an apron that says "Hell's Kitchen" > on it! A few of the members of DT (especially MP) are Simpson's fans, > so that leads me to the conclusion that this is where they got the > name. Maybe we can add this to the barrel of questions to be asked > for the FAQ.
I too watched that episode, and noticed the hell's kitcken on the demon. Mmmmmm, forbidden doughnut. Although, the members of DT do enjoy the Simpsons, I think the name may have originated from that section of Little Italy (or somewhere), that's called Hell's Kitchen. Someone help me here, I know I saw it in one of those mobster movies. Just can't remember which movie . . . ahh losing my memory. Anyway, there's a neighborhood somewhere in NYC that's called Hell's Kitchen. That's my guess, but who knows. Actually the band does, but we have too much fun taking guesses about their lives and lyrics and anything else we can.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 22:56:43 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3044 Message-ID: <3431c9fa04ff004@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
I just wanted to say, since people bash Blind Melon and Shannon Hoon a lot on here, that yes, he was an ignorant, stupid, heroin-injecting dumbass, but he and his band still made pretty good music in my opinion. And no, I don't generally like alternative.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:03:01 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hell's Kitchen Origination Message-ID: <01IO9TAZT38I00KYCT@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
> A few of the members of DT (especially MP) are Simpsons's fans, so that > leads me to the conclusion that this is hwere they got the name.
Hell's Kitchen is a low-income neighborhood in NYC's west side. It's the setting for Sleepers, a kick ass movie for the whole family to enjoy. Well, not the whole family.
In fact, it's where Matt Murdock (Daredevil to you ignoramusi) grew up.
Of course, maybe you knew all that and were just being silly. I don't know.
Josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:05:05 -0600 From: "Reiner Teichmann" <rkteichm@rapidnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Stop service Message-ID: <199710010404.WAA13322@rapidnet.com>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:32:23 -0600 From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Get FII In The U.K. N-O-W ! Message-ID: <199710010423.XAA12122@btiserv.btigate.com>
On 30 Sep 97 at 11:48, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> I ordered FII from a mail order company called CDX based in Cardiff. I > ordered it on Monday morning (22/9) and received it Friday morning > (26/9). The cost was only 13:99 UKPounds INCLUDING postage ! - probably > less than you're going to pay in HMV or Virgin for the UK version.
Is the UK version special in some way? Just outta curiosity.... Andrew Fors afors@btigate.com http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119 ----------------------------------- Today I hired me a yes man He simply agrees with everything I say He does all my dirty deals and feeds me my bills As long as I'm still brethin' he gets paid Hey, Mr. Smiley Read the writing on the wall Wake up, Mr. Smiley Before you don't wake up at all
"Mr. Smiley" -Poison -Crack a Smile
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:31:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloudstate.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII on the radio!! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970930232524.21032A-100000@condor.stcloudstate.edu>
Hey!
Rockin' 101.7 WHMH here in St. Cloud, MN is currently playing FII in its entirety. This station has always been supportive of DT and play them a few times a day, albeit not as much as Matchbox 20 and bands like that. At least they don't have quite the Van Halen and AC/DC complex most "hard rock" stations have. Please check out their web page at www.rockin101.com and send them a note of thanks for playing the album and supporting DT. Great stations like this must have our support!!
_____________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Stewart (AKA Remo) |"Where would you rather be? remo@dreamt.org | Anywhere, anywhere but here... stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu | When will the time be right? stewaj01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu | Anytime but now..." http://condor.stcloud.msus.edu/~stewaj01| --Rush "Double Agent" -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:41:47 -0600 From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metroplis Pt. 2 Message-ID: <199710010432.XAA13152@btiserv.btigate.com>
OK, does anybody have an idea of whern Metropolis Pt. 2 will be released? I'll I've seen so far is, "soon." ANybody have an approximate date? ---Andrew Fors--------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119 ----------------------------------- Oh come let us adore him Abuse and then ignore him No matter what, don't let him be Let's feed upon his misery Then string him up for all the world to see I'm sick of all you hypocrites Holding me at bay And I don't need your sympathy To get me through the day Seasons change and so can I "A Change of Seasons" -Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:36:02 -0400 From: David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dream Theatre (ack! ack!) Message-ID: <01BCCE01.FF7E2EC0.bub@maine.rr.com>
I missed the jams from the first couple of days after FII came out, so I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet. It seems that I'm the bearer of mixed blessings today. First, shitty review, but in a popular forum. Now, their company site has been updated. Can't fucking spell their name right. Sigh
http://www.elektra.com/metal_club/dream/dream.html
David p.s. to be fair, the only place they misspelled it was in the title of the web page. The text on the page looks to be ok.
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