YTSEJAM Digest 3700
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3698
by babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
2) DT in front of...40,000???
by Chris Cerminara <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
3) coltrane, torsos, and 25 years ago....
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
4) Superior, Hedges, Watchtower
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
5) Re: two things....
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
6) Re: Argh!
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
7) Re: Argh!
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) Re: two things....
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
9) LTE in Norway, at last!
by Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no>
10) RE: Metallica's music
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
11) hmmm...
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
12) Re: Argh!
by eckie@asu.edu
13) Progheads / Jamming / DT posters
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:34:35 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3698
Message-ID: <v01510100b1490aded89f@[137.238.26.12]>
>On the Eve of Destruction, Syrinx said:
>>
>>> I stopped by Dr mosh's site and i dont know if this was old news but it
>>> seems that Massacre records anounced that KevMo Joined Fates!
>>
>> This is not the case. I had a talk with Jim Pitulski (Kevin's
>>manager) earlier today, and he has *not* joined Fates Warning in ANY form.
>
>I talked to Kevin and he said Jim was FIRED for telling you anything...
>
>Happy April fools yah clown...
>
>-The Doc
Hello everyone, it's Babs. I have to admit that that got me pretty damn
good - actually said the words "Son of a Bitch" out loud at work. In
addition to my daughter telling me that our window was broken with a sweet
little whisper of "April Fool's" and what happened (more like didn't
happen) on South Park last night it, was an all over good day (sarcasm).
Babs
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:00:15 -0500
From: Chris Cerminara <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in front of...40,000???
Message-ID: <199804021359.IAA78160@f04n01.cac.psu.edu>
Hey all,
I go to Penn State University, and every year, towards the end of the
Spring semester, we have a thing called Movin On. It starts around noon
and goes until at least 9:00 at night. Basically what is is, is an all
day, outdoor concert. Some bands that have been there previously are The
Lemonheads and Jewel. Well folks, there's over 40,000 students that go to
Penn State, and there are many different musical backgrounds. Can you
imagine the exposure DT would get if they played a show like this?
Many people go to this thing, just to have a good time. They don't care
so much about which bands are there, they just go to listen to music.
These people would be blown away after DT played! I think DT could make a
ton of new fans this way. I agree that it'll be good for DT to open for
bands like DP, and play larger venues. But can you imagine them playing
for a crowd of 40,000?
I'd love to hear what everybody thinks! Thanks.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:05 EST
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: coltrane, torsos, and 25 years ago....
Message-ID: <bbd3efa.3523a473@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/1/98 21:24:59, you wrote:
>OK, what exactly is so godly about this Coltrane? I've never heard him
>play. I'm just curious as to why everyone revers him so much - is he just
>like a really good sax player, or is there some other external factor that
>makes what he does even more special? Sorry for being so uncultured. :)
>Moo.
moo- look at it this way. what makes coltrane so godly is very much like what
made hendrix or randy rhoads godly. as is the case with guitarists, there's
millions of sax players out there. you can arrange them in a "bell-curve" sort
of way- your really crappy ones at one end, a good majority of other players
ranging from decent to really good, and then there's the top of the curve- if
you're a sax player, you'll almost always end up with guys like coltrane or
sonny rollins. with coltrane, there was just something about the his sound,
his note choice.....so many things. i particularly appreciate how he could
just spell out his heart and soul from the sax. if you're ever bored, find "a
love supreme", and maybe you'll get a little idea.
i see someone mentioned the screaming headless torsos again...kewl....i've
seen some of the ex-members of that band in weird little side
groups.....freaky. but anyway, when the torsos recorded their album, they cut
out 2 tracks. one was an insane version of "litte wing", and another was a
song called "9/8". it was simply the funkiest 9/8 groove i've ever heard.
too bad they broke up- they really were fascinating.
lastly, caught in the hub-bub of the 25th anniversary of "dark side of the
moon" a couple of weeks ago, we missed another important 25th anniversary this
weekend.
led zeppelin released "houses of the holy" on march 28, 1973.
happy anniversary. man, '73 may have been the BEST year in rock history.
floyd- dark side...
zep- houses...
elp- brain salad surgery
genesis- selling england by the pound
elton john- goodbye yellowbrick road
yes- yessongs
king crimson- larks tongue in aspic
i'm sure there;s other examples, but you can argue that the above albums are
all the essential albums of those bands. each of these albums are just simply
brilliant.
something to think about.
koba, wild.
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:02:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Superior, Hedges, Watchtower
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980402094136.29024B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Bernd remarked:
> I just came back from a 2 and a half weeks break. I was in
> studio during that time with my band Superior to record our
> 2nd album and I can promise you quite a few nice new songs,
> I think. :)
Yeah, but can you promise us a release date soon? WE WANT NEW SUPERIOR! WE
WANT NEW SUPERIOR! :) :)
> I read through the jams of the last 2 weeks and there was that
> "Superior" thread. I'd like to clear that up why we called our
> band Superior. All the members who are in this band had
> some band projects before Superior was founded. When we
> thought about a name for this band, we considered that we
> wanted to do something better than we did before, something
> superior. And there was the name.
I reposted this because it bears repeating. Get a grip, people, you knew
it had to be something simple like this.
And Bernd gets the EOJ again. :)
Neal remarked:
> > Never heard Shawn Lane's version or Hedges' version, have you?
> Nope....fill me in =) Hedges is the guitarist who does the psycho finger
> tapping, isn't that right? Where he plays like two or three parts at
> once?
Er, yes, he is. Well, *was*. R.I.P. Michael. He was one of the most
innovative and amazing acoustic players I've ever seen.
Madsman? I'm sure you've more to add. :)
Jason M, in full voice:
> i was the singer for
> progmetal/technical thrash(we were called so many "alternative" names its not
> funny) band that some of you may have heard of...called WATCHTOWER ,for about
> 7 years....
Good god. Who was it that mentioned it was turning into Prog Central here
on the 'jam? Bernd, Marcel, Brendt, Mike, and now Jason from Watchtower...
> some one recently emailed me and said that i
> was being mentioned in here,somewhere..wether i was or not...please feel free
> to email me with?'s and feedback on any topic that you feel i could help out
> with and i will be sure to get back..
There was an argument about whether the Jason McMaster from Dangerous Toys
was the Jason McMaster from Watchtower. The general consensus was "yes,
it's the same guy". :)
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Conception -- "In Your Multitude"
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: two things....
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980402113502.1553A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> Ben Folds Five is an awesome band. They're not prog (which, as we know by
> now, doesn't mean they're not good). Picture a younger, more cynical Billy
> Joel, and you have an approximation of what BFF is all about.
>
> And "Brick" is a beautiful song.
> -d
>
and may I add that they are absolutely awesome live - one of the
better live acts I've ever seen.......
-Al
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:48 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Argh!
Message-ID: <199804021744.MAA29030@camel8.mindspring.com>
Ptacek:
> I mean from side to side... like from one end of the fret-wire to=20
>the other. It's thinner in that respect than the average, and I=20
>don't think the neck is actually thicker in the way you're referring=20
>to either, but I could be wrong. You have to keep in mind that I'm=20
>comparing to the RG series, and the Universe... Ibanez does make a=20
>few different necks, and the RG, the USA Custom and the USRG are not=20
>all the same necks.
I know that... I haven't played the first JPMs that came out, only the more
recent ones, and the neck IS thicker than all those you have mentioned... it
is also thicker than my 7-string.
> I do't think the thickness of the neck has anything to do with=20
>intonation at all. Further, how much the wood gets screwed up=20
>because of temerature changes depends on the TYPE of wood, and the=20
>craftsmanship/design, not how much wood there is. You should know=20
>that.
I think you're wrong. All those things you have mentioned are also factors,
but if you pick two pieces of the exact same wood and treat them the same
way but give them different thickness, once you put on strings on them they
will act different. There are still other factors, of course, that we
haven't mentioned yet, such as reinforcement bars, lamination, etc.
As for who's asking about companies other than Ibanez... check out Zion,
Charvell St Dimas series (not their Korean stuff), and what perhaps are the
best deal in quality guitars out there, the Music Man guitars. Those play
great, sound great, have great finishes and are priced under a grand most of
the time (unless you get some guy's name on it). I say you can't beat that.
>From: constabl@ccomm.com
>i got a site up...overall its pretty gay, but I do have a list of boots
>up if anyone is interested.
Another use of the word "gay" meaning "bad"? I could never see the reason
for that. That goes to Eckie as well, for saying the word proghead is "so
gay" and therefore shouldn't be used...
I mean, we know we have gay jammers yet we still make that kind of remark?
It's like knowing there are black people in here and then go using racist=
terms.
Enough rambling for today.... have a good one...
Christian.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:59:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Argh!
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980402125857.9671A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, K I L L M A R Y wrote:
> Another use of the word "gay" meaning "bad"? I could never see the reason
> for that. That goes to Eckie as well, for saying the word proghead is "so
> gay" and therefore shouldn't be used...
> I mean, we know we have gay jammers yet we still make that kind of remark?
> It's like knowing there are black people in here and then go using racist=
> terms.
>
I think that this is the gayest thing I've ever heard... :P
-Al
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:05:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: two things....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980402120240.7768A-100000@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Paul Dyer wrote:
> Does anyone else think that in the band photo on Stratovarius "The
> Fourth Dimension" that the singer looks like Fox Mulder?
That's EXACTLY what I thought the first time I saw his picture! Though,
the picture I saw is in "Visions." "The Fourth Dimension" is currently on
order...
Uh...and for DTC, you know it's a strange day when you walk into class and
see someone wearing the same FII tour shirt you are, and then another
person comments on how he owns all of DT's stuff. This happened to me a
few days ago...
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:07:54 GMT+1
From: Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE in Norway, at last!
Message-ID: <9B06257C52@humanistisk.hd.uib.no>
Or, at lest, I got it today on US import at the MAGNIFICENT Apollon.
This is a great CD! 74 minutes and 02 seconds have never gone by
faster! (In both respects :-) )
Only on my second listen now, so it's waaay too early to select a
favourite, but PS, FOS & UM are up there! I also LOVE TMW!
My copy of LTE is estimated to be the only one in the city of Bergen,
Norway at the present moment!
Ahh...
Now playing Freedom Of Speech...
Lata!
Kyrre
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:34:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Metallica's music
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980402131122.52532A-100000@archa8.cc.uga.edu>
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:52:54 -0900
> From: "Guillermo Serrano" <serranog@infosel.net.mx>
> To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Metallicas music
> Message-ID: <014dd1550030248CPIMAILMTY1@infosel.net.mx>
>
>
> I am a Metallica's fan and I don't like the new concept of this group. I
> expect to hear the Metallica of twelve years ago
There's your problem. See, it's 12 years later (I swear! Check your
calendar!). If you don't like the new stuff, fine. But please don't
whine because the present is not the past.
> as the Master of Puppets
> album because it was their real concept. The Load and reload album is an
> alternative style like a mixture of soundgarden and alice in chains.
???????
Hmmm.....on my copies they're still riffing away.
Now it's definitely not thrash, but it in no way resembles alternative.
Sorry. Alternative to me consists of sloppy, noisy strumming (i.e.
Nirvana or whoever else). I've seen none of this on the Load twins.
Every song is still full of heavy riffing, that cannot be denied. The
riffs may be more similar to Sabbath or AC/DC than Slayer, but IT IS STILL
METAL RIFFING. No two ways about it. Do not accuse me of saying that
"You have to like Load and Reload or you suck!!!!!11!!!1##$455!!31!!3"
or something of that sort. I'm simply saying that this whole "Metallica
is alternative" argument is simply a bandwagon of bullshit. I use the
term "bandwagon" because several people have jumped on and taken this
stance (with NO argument whatsoever) because that's what the "true cool
metal crowd" thinks. That simply CANNOT be denied. Not necessarily
talking about ytse-people, but that's how things are.
> I
> don't think (in my opinion) that Metallica's music is a result of music
> evolution, I rather think that is a whim of the group to probe another
> music style. I hope it is.
And, no matter how many of you say otherwise, the Met change was no bigger
than the DT change. Sorry if that bursts some of your bubbles. Again I'm
not criticizing, I love FII. But 'tallica is the 'cool band to bash' at
the present. And many people do so in their own hypocrisy.
> << I am a Metallica's fan and I don't like the new concept of this group. I
> expect to hear the Metallica of twelve years ago as the Master of Puppets
> album because it was their real concept. The Load and reload album is an
> alternative style like a mixture of soundgarden and alice in chains. I
> don't think (in my opinion) that Metallica's music is a result of music
> evolution, I rather think that is a whim of the group to probe another
> music style. I hope it is. >>
>
> i would believe that too, if it wasnt for them wearing makeup and trying to
> look like cross dressers, or heroin addicts
????????????????? I won't even comment on the last two because of the
obvious absurdity. As for the makeup, Kirk and Lars wore it in one video
because the video was quite freaky in itself. Not my favorite thing,
makeup in the vid, but nothing to freak out over. Kirk also wears
eyeliner from time to time on stage, but then again, so does Ozzy, Alice
Cooper and a hoard of others, so again I don't see the big deal. I laugh
at these people who say Metallica is wearing makeup now and going glam,
and they're following trends. Like glam is really cool and trendy right
now. Of course they're in no way "going glam", but people do say that.
But only "true metal fans", of course.
Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words
ktulu@arches.uga.edu Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into
Infinity."
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:39:07 -0500
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hmmm...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980402143907.0069e53c@scott.skidmore.edu>
You know I've been wondering about something for a while, and maybe Mr.
Portnoy could help on this one too (but you guys probably know).... In the
Fix tour, at the Chance in Poughkeepsie, NY, a drummer/keyboardist opened
because the original opening band disappeared or something (and kept us
freezing outside). Who was this (I never caught their names). The person
I went with, a drummer, was all excited, so....
DUH, yes, I am stupid.
Thanks for all your support about the sucky jam story, guys...I
appreciate it. What's funny is, I've seen both of these kids since, and
they act as if nothing WRONG happened...argh...how stupid are they?! >:p I
mean, I still talk to them and all, but I'll never forget what egomaniacs
they are...blargh....
Erica
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:34:24 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Argh!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980402121255.21492B-100000@general5.asu.edu>
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, K I L L M A R Y condemned the abuse of words:
> Another use of the word "gay" meaning "bad"? I could never see the reason
> for that. That goes to Eckie as well, for saying the word proghead is "so
> gay" and therefore shouldn't be used...
> I mean, we know we have gay jammers yet we still make that kind of remark?
> It's like knowing there are black people in here and then go using racist=
> terms.
Hey, we should add this to the welcome message when ppl subscribe to the jam
Addendum 4.3.2.a
Usage of controversial slang terms and bad language will not be
tolerated. Please stray from using such terms as,
nazi, gay, pussy, Metallica, Jesus, Buddha, hootenanny, Hanson, Green Day,
and Spice Girls.
More conventional language, such as
fuck, shit, goat-raper, and Satan
are preferred.
Usage of those words described in Addendum 4.3.2.a will result in hurting
somebody's feelings and a death mark upon your head. You will be flamed
upon recognition of those words in violation of Addendum 4.3.2.a in any
message so sent from your email address, and your pet dog will do the
macarena everytime you play Take Away My Pain through your home stereo.
The listserv will then send you a message titled, "Join the Crew," in
this automatic message you will find instructions on how to hide your
identity and pass through international customs offices using only a
toothpick and half stick of gum.
let's not forget that "gay" used to mean "happy" in popular English
dialect and maybe I just thought "proghead" was too "happy" a term for my
tastes. I'll see you in IRC my friend. >:^)
~Eckie. o O (Hey, at least I don't go around sucking on fags...[you crazy
Europeans])
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:47:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Progheads / Jamming / DT posters
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980402113458.1108D-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
> hard core metalhead/proghead (proghead sounds so gay...we should use
> somethin' like "psychotic musician who LIKES theory classes") and about 3
I love your definition of a proghead. This should be included in the
"Ytse-Dictionary". :)
>
> ]From that jam session, he learned a lot, like what an E minor chord
> is. What I got out of it was a little more confidence in my own playing
> ability and a chance to jam with something besides my CD player.
>
> Try not to look at artistic expression as a competition (unless of
> course, you're a critic writing for the local newspaper) because that's
> when it turns into a sport of who can play the most notes, scales, Vai
> covers, etc.. And we all know what that leads to: the Yngwie syndrome.
Eckie's got a point. Just getting out and playing with other people is a
nice change of pace and will challenge you a little more than sitting
down with your CD player and jamming. Even if you can't find people to
jam with, you could always look for a place that puts on a blues jam and
play there. I recently did this, and although I am not the greatest
blues drummer, I had a blast and learned a few things.
Graham wrote:
> Plan A is actually to go to the venue and ask if they have any spare ones.
> Plan B will be to surreptitiously sneak around till I find one which isn't
> too tightly attached to its host wall. If I manage to get any, I'll be
> sure to let you know . . .
A little advice: Come prepared with a staple remover. The posters will
come off in a flash. Jon Kretschmer did this at the show in Palo Alto,
and we came home with a couple of nice posters. I ran off some copies of
them, and they looked as good or better than the originals. Later.
Scott
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