YTSEJAM Digest 3701
Today's Topics:
1) Blues Jams
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) Metallica
by "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
3) Moving On
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
4) Re: a question or 2, and a story
by Clark Abel <99able@alma.edu>
5) Just when I thought we had dropped Metallica.
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
6) Re: hmmm...
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
7) Who was that mystery band?
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
8) Re: Moving On
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
9) Re: Who was that mystery band?
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3700
by Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3700
by Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
12) Re: Metallicas music
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Re: Argh!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) A Bit of Everything
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
15) Under a Spicy Moon, Dunkin' Donuts, another live DT CD someday?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
16) New Places to Tour
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
17) Re: Under a Spicy Moon, Dunkin' Donuts, another live DT CD someday?
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:01:37 -0500
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Blues Jams
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE502390E@HAMSXHA2>
Scott Luttringer wrote,
>Even if you can't find people to
>jam with, you could always look for a place that puts on a blues jam and
>play there. I recently did this, and although I am not the greatest
>blues drummer, I had a blast and learned a few things.
Isn't this an absolute blast? I've been to a few open jams (and any of you
Boston people who are interested in hitting one, Johnny D's in Somerville
has a SMOKIN' blues jam on Wednesdays), since I was playing in a blues band
for about a year and a half, and there's so much to learn from just
watching and playing with people you've NEVER met before. Highly educational
for musicians of any skill level, and something I totally recommend.
Nicholas Giannotti
"Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:10:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Metallica
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980402150500.9881A-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>
Some quick thoughts on Metallica, regarding a thread on the subject
recently:
Metallica has changed...big time. They may not be "alternative" now, as
opposed to "metal" years ago, but they are a much different group of guys
from the ones who penned songs like "Creeping Death," "Battery," and
"Disposable Heroes." I personally think that "Load" and "Re-Load" are
complete piles of crap, but that's just my opinion and I'm not knocking
anyone else for liking them.
In a time when true metal or progressive rock is as welcomed as a foot
long turd in a wedding punchbowl, I believe we should be focusing
ourselves on the bands who carry their torch of individuality high, not on
bands who try to change their sound to fit the times. Hail Dream Theater.
Dave Campbell
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:22:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Moving On
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980402151646.5054F-100000@thunder>
I have to agree with Chris about Penn State's "Moving On" - it would be an
absolutely incredible show and a LOT of exposure. I personally know about
25 friends who are DYING to see DT but have not had a
chance. I was hoping maybe the Crowbar downtown (equivalent to New
Haven's Toads place in size but with better acoustics and attracts many
major acts) would grab DT on this last tour but my wish was not true.
Moving on would give DT incredible exposure at a campus where there are a
lot of prog-heads. Unfortunately the place where Moving on is held is
kina under construction.. but who knows :) I can only dream. At any
rate, I am willing to bet there are close to 4000 die-hard dream theater
starved fans here in this one square mile! (NOT an exaggeration!)
-Ponte
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:42:41 -0800
From: Clark Abel <99able@alma.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: 99abel@alma.edu
Subject: Re: a question or 2, and a story
Message-ID: <35242271.7130@alma.edu>
Deedlit wrote:
> So that's my depressing little story. I'm sure many of you out there jam
> with other people all the time, but I hope you have more success. It sucks
> being a chick who's into heavy and complex music. I doubt I'll ever jam
> again.... Granted, they were a lot better than I was, but they made NO
> EFFORT WHATSOEVER to even play together (they were about equal in ability),
> let alone play with me. It was so fucking dysfunctional. ARGH! I didn't
> play my guitar until yesterday because of all of that crap. I mean, I'm
> not a great guitarist--I'm not even good--but jeez...I keep thinking I
> really want to give up after things like this happen. (But I did just
> order a new bridge!)
Stupid guitarists! Ok, so I fancy myself a guitarist, but I think this is a
pretty typical situation. I really don't like jamming with *any* other guitarists, much
less two others. Unless you have some real chemistry with the other guy/girl, it tends
to be two people trying to fill the same role instead of trying to compliment each
other. These guys may have been good guitar players, but they sure as shit weren't good
musicians if this was their idea of jamming; it sounds like each of them had an
extrememly inflexible idea of what the guitar's role should be going into the 'jam' and
weren't listening to each other at all. Find some other types of instrumentalists to
jam with; in my (very limited) experience this tends to be much more productive. And
when you find them, send them to me.
-Clark
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:43:38 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just when I thought we had dropped Metallica.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980402124338.00873ad0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
]From: "Guillermo Serrano" <serranog@infosel.net.mx>
>I am a Metallica's fan and I don't like the new concept of this group. I
>expect to hear the Metallica of twelve years ago as the Master of Puppets
>album because it was their real concept. The Load and reload album is an
>alternative style like a mixture of soundgarden and alice in chains. I
>don't think (in my opinion) that Metallica's music is a result of music
>evolution, I rather think that is a whim of the group to probe another
>music style. I hope it is.
Shouldnt you take this to a Metallica message group? I was going to say
you should be drawn and quartered for bringing up this topic when it has
been silent for almost a few months now, but that would be a bit lenient,
dont you think?
Metallica is Metallica. Deal with it.
>From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
>I just came back from a 2 and a half weeks break. I was in
>studio during that time with my band Superior to record our
>2nd album and I can promise you quite a few nice new songs,
>I think. :)
Thanks for the update Bernd, I will be THE FIRST inline (or online,
depending on how I can get the disc) for your new album. I cant wait to
see what follows your behind. haha
Marcel, Bernd, Mike...We have a hell of a group going here : )
Jon
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:53:44 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: hmmm...
Message-ID: <199804022053.PAA02049@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> You know I've been wondering about something for a while, and maybe Mr.
> Portnoy could help on this one too (but you guys probably know).... In the
> Fix tour, at the Chance in Poughkeepsie, NY, a drummer/keyboardist opened
> because the original opening band disappeared or something (and kept us
> freezing outside). Who was this (I never caught their names). The person
> I went with, a drummer, was all excited, so....
This was none other than the Rudess/Morgenstein Project. Richie and I were
lucky just to get to the Chance at all that night, and we got in literally
about 5 minutes before DT took the stage. But we caught RMP two nights later
in New Haven, and the blew the roof off the dump.
> Thanks for all your support about the sucky jam story, guys...I
> appreciate it. What's funny is, I've seen both of these kids since, and
> they act as if nothing WRONG happened...argh...how stupid are they?! >:p I
> mean, I still talk to them and all, but I'll never forget what egomaniacs
> they are...blargh....
Just remember that there's more to musical talent than being able to play by
oneself. A musician that can't cut it when there's other musicians around may
as well give up. Tough it out, Deed. You're bound to find someone worthy of
your skills and patience.
-d
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:30:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Who was that mystery band?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980402162349.11063A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Deedlit wants to know:
> You know I've been wondering about something for a while, and maybe Mr.
> Portnoy could help on this one too (but you guys probably know).... In the
> Fix tour, at the Chance in Poughkeepsie, NY, a drummer/keyboardist opened
> because the original opening band disappeared or something (and kept us
> freezing outside). Who was this (I never caught their names). The person
> I went with, a drummer, was all excited, so....
My guess, especially if your drummer friend was "all excited", would be
that it was the Rudess/Morgenstein Project (after all, how many
drummer/keyboardist combos can there be out there?). RMP is Jordan Rudess
(who was considered briefly as KevMo's replacement), and Rod Morgenstein,
formerly of the Dixie Dregs and *gasp* Winger.
(Don't jump on my back, Richie, I love Winger too). :)
> DUH, yes, I am stupid.
Nah, just uninformed. "Stupid" would be the people I've been dealing with
all day today. Being in tech support blows sometimes.
Ta,
Phil
=====================================================================
Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Angra -- "Angels Cry"
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:29:43 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Moving On
Message-ID: <799bf86d.35240348@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-02 16:23:34 EST, you write:
<< I have to agree with Chris about Penn State's "Moving On" - it would be an
absolutely incredible show and a LOT of exposure. I personally know about
25 friends who are DYING to see DT but have not had a
chance. I was hoping maybe the Crowbar downtown (equivalent to New
Haven's Toads place in size but with better acoustics and attracts many
major acts) would grab DT on this last tour but my wish was not true.
Moving on would give DT incredible exposure at a campus where there are a
lot of prog-heads. Unfortunately the place where Moving on is held is
kina under construction.. but who knows :) I can only dream. At any
rate, I am willing to bet there are close to 4000 die-hard dream theater
starved fans here in this one square mile! (NOT an exaggeration!)
-Ponte
>>
oh believe me, i'll DEFINATELY drive up there from Baltimore if DT ever
decides to be there.. and i'm sure other DT fans will drive from all over the
tri-state area, <HINT>Mike</HINT> hell i hear Pellaz drove up to the Jaxx
show, what makes me mad is that i saw him in the crowd a couple ppl away from
me and i was like "damn, that guy looks like Paul, na, nobody would drive that
far, even to see DT" guess i was wrong =]
Rocky
http://soft.simplenet.com/
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 05:56:53 -0400
From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Who was that mystery band?
Message-ID: <352360E5.57E7926A@caribe.net>
Phil Carter wrote:
> (Don't jump on my back, Richie, I love Winger too). :)
>
> > DUH, yes, I am stupid.
>
> Nah, just uninformed. "Stupid" would be the people I've been dealing with
> all day today. Being in tech support blows sometimes.
>
> Ta,
> Phil
>
OHHHHHHHH yeah.. dont get me started!!!!!!!!! Doing Tech Support sUX!!..
I work as a tech support rep for an ISp...and i work thurs and saturdays from
4pm to 12am.. and i dont know why but every town fool calls in at these times..
and people expect you to solve every problem they have. even if it doesnt have
to do with internet access... goddamn.. they should make people take classes
before ever allowing them to buy a computer..
me: ok lady, go to the network icon , inside of the control panel
her: network neighborhood?
damn i got a million stories. if ya wanna trade em by private email... well
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:57:14 -0500
From: Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3700
Message-ID: <352409BA.E62C75A0@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> I go to Penn State University, and every year, towards the end of the
> Spring semester, we have a thing called Movin On. It starts around noon
> and goes until at least 9:00 at night. Basically what is is, is an all
> day, outdoor concert. Some bands that have been there previously are The
> Lemonheads and Jewel.
Ok, I've been to a couple of these before. This actually takes place on an
outdoor lawn behind the school's student union building. Best part is, its free!
Some other headlining acts in the past have been Helmet (when they were hot) and
Richie Havens.
> Well folks, there's over 40,000 students that go to
> Penn State, and there are many different musical backgrounds. Can you
> imagine the exposure DT would get if they played a show like this?
Well there's definately a 40,000+ student population, but obviously only a
fraction of that amount actually attends this festival. Seemed to me that maybe a
few thousand, at the most, were there the last time I was in the audience. Still, I
must agree that this would be a great show for DT to headline. This is a free show,
its not in a club so its all ages, and the audience is full of basically non DT
fans. MP was just talking about ways to appeal to new audiences, well there ya go!
Its probably a bit late to book this years show (this thing should be coming up in a
few weeks I believe?); but hey, headlining next year's show would just be awesome!
-Nate
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / IRC and VP chat room alias: Horizen mailto:nrood@utk.edu \ Excite Message Board alias: Quietus or try:nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu / ICQ: 6170743 ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:05:15 -0500 From: Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3700 Message-ID: <35240B9B.2D87DAC@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Uh...and for DTC, you know it's a strange day when you walk into class and > see someone wearing the same FII tour shirt you are, and then another > person comments on how he owns all of DT's stuff. This happened to me a > few days ago...
Heh, this happened to me the last time I wore my Awake shirt around campus. One guy chased after me (literally) after a class and told me how much he liked DT, and said he also listened to Queensryche. Bad part was I never saw the dude again. Later on the same day I was walking from another class and some guy commented on my shirt as he passed me on the street. Strange part of all this is I now live in the south, where prog just ain't that big. I guess we're just taking over the music spectrum!
-Nate -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / IRC and VP chat room alias: Horizen mailto:nrood@utk.edu \ Excite Message Board alias: Quietus or try:nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu / ICQ: 6170743 ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:34:08 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Metallicas music Message-ID: <199804022234.OAA10180@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Selling Out, "Guillermo Serrano" said: >I am a Metallica's fan and I don't like the new concept of this group. I >expect to hear the Metallica of twelve years ago as the Master of Puppets >album because it was their real concept. The Load and reload album is an >alternative style like a mixture of soundgarden and alice in chains. I
WHAT?!??! YOu don't like the new Rockabilica?!?! And here I thought you were a dedicated Garth Brooks fan!
Wouldn't that be just an awesome show?? Garth Brooks and mEtAlliCa?
>don't think (in my opinion) that Metallica's music is a result of music >evolution, I rather think that is a whim of the group to probe another >music style. I hope it is.
No, it's that radical, super cheesewiz loving guy named Lars Ulrich and his boyfriend Kirk Hamster.
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:41:16 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Argh! Message-ID: <199804022241.OAA10265@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, eckie@asu.edu said: >> Another use of the word "gay" meaning "bad"? I could never see the reason >> for that. That goes to Eckie as well, for saying the word proghead is "so >> gay" and therefore shouldn't be used... >> I mean, we know we have gay jammers yet we still make that kind of remark? >> It's like knowing there are black people in here and then go using racist= >> terms. > >Hey, we should add this to the welcome message when ppl subscribe to the jam > >Addendum 4.3.2.a >Usage of controversial slang terms and bad language will not be >tolerated. Please stray from using such terms as, > >nazi, gay, pussy, Metallica, Jesus, Buddha, hootenanny, Hanson, Green Day, >and Spice Girls.
You forgot the word: Superior.
>More conventional language, such as > >fuck, shit, goat-raper, and Satan
and chudball, nadlicker, fucksickle, fucknuckle, custard whipper, and various other incarnations (c) 1997,1998 Graham Boyle and Chris Ptacek.
>let's not forget that "gay" used to mean "happy" in popular English >dialect and maybe I just thought "proghead" was too "happy" a term for my >tastes. I'll see you in IRC my friend. >:^)
"don't be gay! don't be gay!!" "did it work?"
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:30:55 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Bit of Everything Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980402153055.006fbcd8@pop.cfmc.com>
I'm just poking my head in. I'm just back from two weeks in England (where my S.O. lives...sigh) and Ireland and came back to 1650 pieces of mail and far too many of these damn digests. Work's been crazy, which means I simply did a lot of scanning, but....
Coltrane is awesome. Absolutely. But all this advice to "just go and listen to 'A Love Supreme' and revel in the glory that is Coltrane" is a little iffy. It's genius, absolutely. But it isn't exactly the most accessible piece of music in the world. If you're not fairly jazz-literate (or, at least, used to listening to harmonically sophisticated music), you may be better off starting with something like "My Favorite Things," which, actually, is probably my favorite bit of Coltrane (I guess I'm not that harmonically sophisticated). "A Love Supreme" is brilliant, but it's often brilliant in ways that one has to have appropriately developed ears to really enjoy.
My word of advice...
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Marillion: Fugazi 2. Cornershop: When I Was Born For The 7th Time 3. Iron Maiden: Powerslave 4. Rush: Hold Your Fire 5. Social Distortion: White Light, White Heat, White Trash
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:55:10 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Under a Spicy Moon, Dunkin' Donuts, another live DT CD someday? Message-ID: <3524255D.1CFCB86@ameritech.net>
I have to say I'm thrilled to see a new webpage about my favorite band, The Spice Girls. Especially one put together as well as Under a Spicy Moon. Thanks for this new site! The Spice Girls are WAY more deserving of it than those Dream Theater chaps.......
Okay, anybody who didn't recognize that as sarcasm needs help. Seriously though, this was HILARIOUS! A great cheer up! In a related note, the Yngwie thing was really funny too. The part about Dunkin' Donuts almost had me on the floor!
DT content: Don't you guys think it's about time for a "sequel" to LatM? I'm telling' you, I'd give a kidney if DT released another live CD of this caliber. Especially if we get some tunes like UaGM, Voices, Scarred, Peruvian Skies, Innocence Faded, The Mirror, ToT, etc. Thank would be unreal. <<<<< MIKE P., ARE YOU LISTENING? :-) PRETTY PLEASE >>>>>
Later, - Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:53:13 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Places to Tour Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9F0152A1C9@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> I don't see how anyone in mainland USA can complain about >> DT not coming close to where they live. >> At least they are close enough to drive/fly cheap >> to see. The closest DT have got to Australia is Japan ! >> Please spare a thought for us downunder when you complain >> that DT haven't been near you :)
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well I'm stuck here in *Antarctica* and has DT been here ....... fuck NO !! What do you think we are down here, penguin fuckers ??
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:16:08 -0400 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Under a Spicy Moon, Dunkin' Donuts, another live DT CD someday? Message-ID: <35242A47.ADDF2E9A@caribe.net>
Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> DT content: Don't you guys think it's about time for a "sequel" to > LatM? I'm telling' you, I'd give a kidney if DT released another live > CD of this caliber. Especially if we get some tunes like UaGM, Voices, > Scarred, Peruvian Skies, Innocence Faded, The Mirror, ToT, etc. Thank > would be unreal. > <<<<< MIKE P., ARE YOU LISTENING? :-) PRETTY PLEASE >>>>> > > Later, > - Joe D.
hey man.. i think a live VIDEO should be an evern better idea... hell id give BOTH my nads for that one.. well not really.. id give both my nads to see DT here in PR,.. but for the video ill gladly give one of em..
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