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                            YTSEJAM Digest 3705

Today's Topics:

  1) PLans of DT in MExico...
 by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
  2) Guitar Grimoire
 by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
  3) Re: drunk
 by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
  4) KTS is BACK !!! (fwd)
 by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
  5) Guitar Stuff
 by someone@prognosis.com
  6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3704
 by krackley@weidmuller.com
  7) Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not.....
 by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
  8) DT in Pordenone & Rudess/Morgenstein project
 by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
  9) PWI
 by David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
 10) "Innocence cheesy, the smell of cheese around you..."
 by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
 11) Openers
 by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3704
 by "reuben" <admin@obstacleillusions.com>
 13) Re: drunk
 by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
 14) Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not.....
 by fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
 15) Pist-On
 by YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
 16) The Ytse-Police
 by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:15:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PLans of DT in MExico...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980403141300.80520I@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>

Are there any plans for some concerts in MExico?
Steve Vai already came and did 2.
I think it went pretty well, the first show was sold out and the second
one was almost...the bad thing is that he only went to Mexico city, which
is 10 hours away from here, DT should come to Monterrey (north of mexico,
4 hours away from texas)

On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, TheCowGod wrote:

>
> >From: Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
> >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3691
> >
> >HHMMMMM...
> >What will the bringer of DT tour dates deliver in a few days???????
> >(hopefully...)

---
Alan Estrada
Email: al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:18:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Grimoire
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980403141628.80520J-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I have the Guitar Gromoire for scales and I know there's another one 
about chords, does anybody has this?
please let me know (email me privately) also I read that they were 
planning in releasing a third volume but that was a few years ago, since 
then I havent read any guitar grimoire adds on mags...anyway I dont buy 
guitar mags now...
please let me know
thanks.
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:18:52 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: drunk
Message-ID: <3525442C.A3388ADF@stones.com>
>>Excuse me for this post, but I am extremely intoxicated right now, and
  Dream Theater is SO FUCKING COOL when your drunk.
  Just thought I'd let everybody know.
  chris<<
Try them sobber sometime ;)
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:21:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KTS is BACK !!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980403142036.80520M-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
sorry for fowarding this but I though some of you could be interested.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:05:29 +0800 (SGT)
]From: KTS <loi@kissthestone.com>
To: kts-list@www.kissthestone.com
Subject: KTS is BACK !!!
Dear friend,
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Regards Professor Stone.
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:27:23 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Stuff
Message-ID: <199804032023.OAA29989@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
 
> This sparks the all eternal question that has plagued guitarists since the
> inception of the "electric guitar":  How do I get THAT tone?
	The answer is simple:  You never, never do.  Further, I don't know 
anyone who is satisfied with a single amp for a long period of 
time, no matter how good other people think the tone is.  I know I'm 
gonna hear a great Bogner soon, and just toss my current rig out the 
window.
> 1)  The Guitar:  
>      a)  Woods 
	This makes a big difference on the tonal characteristics of the 
guitar.  A basswood body with a maple neck sounds completely 
different than a mahogany body and a rosewood fingerboard... the 
thing is, neither one sounds better... it depends on who is playing 
it, and through what.  I'm just adding to what you said, with regards 
to this, since I know you probably agree.
>           Body - I like a 2 piece guitar.  One piece of Mahogany with a
> somewhat thick Rock Maple top (1/4" or so, however I am bad at estimating) 
> for the body.  NO PAINT JOB.  Just some finish for protection.  No book 
> matching.  Looks are irrelevant to tone.  And no "quilted, birdseye, or flame" 
> maple.  These are just "defects" in the maple that are visually appealing.
	I find that the wood means more to tone than the paint job or lack 
thereof.  My favorite guitar sounds have always come from guitars 
that have been painted, though, so I'm inclined to stick with painted 
guitars.  I still want that Becker guitar with no paint, and the big 
colored numbers on the frets... :)
	As far as body shape, I find that the basic strat style seems to 
work best with what I do... by strat, I mean double cutaway, and no 
archtop.
>           Neck - Tilt back headstock, maple with ebony fretboard.
	I like Maple fretboards just as much as ebony... each has its own 
tonal characteristic that can't really be duplicated on the other.  
This is one of those few reasons I think it's useful to have a couple 
guitars... I hate people who buy great guitars just to let them 
collect dust... it's a shame.  I know a dude with a BEAUTIFUL swirl 
Universe (and as you know, some of them come out beautifully, and 
some look like a horse's ass) that he keeps in a locked case, and 
NEVER touches, and I know a dude with over 20 different 7 strings.  
It's obvious that there are people who would give anything to own one 
of these guitars, and yet, the instruments sit in basements, and 
collect dust.
>       b)  Bridge - fixed
	Bah!  :)  I have my trem blocked off on the 7 string, but I think I 
prefer to have the trem active.  As long as you don't rely on it for 
all your licks, I think it can be really tasteful.
>       c)  Pickups - I like Tom Anderson and Seymour Duncan.  I hated EMG's,
> but I know others who love them.  I don't have much experience with DiMarzios.
> Oh yeah, I had an old Bill Lawrence pickup that just kicked ass.
	What happened with the Lawrence?  I'm a serious Duncan fanatic, but 
I'm going to go with EMGs on my 7 string, because they have specific 
tone issues that are best dealt with through active circuitry, IMO.
>       d)  Set up - although thick strings, high action, and a thick neck might
> yield great tone, it does nothing for my performance.  If I can't play
> fluidly, then the tone is suffering.  This is just my shortcoming, I like
> .009's, ultra low action, and Ibanez Wizard necks.   These are not "tone"
> friendly, but I need these things to feel comfortable playing.
	I like to alternate my setup... I don't like to get too comfortable 
with any set up... that way I can usually play just about as well on 
any decently maintained guitar.  I use .010's on the 7 string, and 
.009's on the 6 string... medium action.  There's no reason to have 
really high action, unless you're trying to give yourself a workout.  
Low action makes my vibrato and bending weaker... I like to get under 
the strings a bit when I do a huge bend or a really wide vibrato 
(think Zakk Wylde).  Whenever I have really low action, I end up 
falling back to legato too much, and that gets too easy.  Also, since 
both of my electrics are Ibanez, low action means high fret-buzz when 
the weather changes as dramatically as it does in Chicago.
	I find that once you build a bit of finger strength, you can play as 
well on most string gauges.  I can do my goofy tapping or legato on 
.010's as well as on .008's, now.  It helps to practice your shred 
techniques on a heavy gauge(d) acoustic... makes it harder to cheat.
> 2)  Amp - I feel a good amp is more important than a good guitar.  
	I am inclined to disagree.  At work I have to play on store guitars 
and store amps, because they figure that if the teacher impresses the 
student, the student will want a guitar like the one the teacher 
has... and connect the dots.  So I'm teaching guitar on an Alvarez 
strat copy with a humbucker in the bridge and a maple neck, through a 
Crate GX20 and sounding like myself.  When I go home and play through 
my RG550 into my TriAxis, I sound very similar.
> 3)  The Player - just thought I would bring this one up for the hell of it.
> Yes - if your technique sucks, your tone will probably suffer.  If your
> technique is flawless, your tone will definitely benefit.  
	Then why don't people compliment Chris Impelliteri's tone, or George 
Bellas' tone?  These guys are technical MONSTERS playing through 
great rigs... and they're missing something.  Attention to detail... 
making a note sing like a voice, instead of like a piece of wire... 
there's more to it than I think you're acknowledging.
> However, the reference to "its all in the hands" is pure shit.  If it were ALL in 
> the hands, everyone would save money and buy a Fender Squire guitar and 
> a Crate amp.  So the player shouldn't really be an opinion focal point.  The 
> player is very important to tone, but a million "it is all in your hands" 
> doesn't really help anyone.
	I can't disagree with this any more than I do.  Why is it that when 
I play through a replica of Petrucci's set up, my tone is nothing 
like his?  Why is it that Steve Lukather couldn't sound like Eddie 
Van Halen when he played through Van Halen's rig?  Why couldn't 
George Lynch get Warren DiMartini's tone when he stole DiMartini's 
amp out of his house?  Why can't ANYONE sound just like Vai or Satch, 
or Eric Johnson?  People don't play through Squire strats because 
they don't stay in tune, and don't add anything to your sound.  They 
don't use Crate's low end solid state stuff, because they aren't loud 
enough, and don't add any thing to the tone.  I assure you, though, 
that Steve Vai could make a Squire strat sound good through a Crate.  
I assure you that I can make a crappy Alvarez strat clone sound 
decent through a Crate amp.  Bafu plays through a Crate amp and HE 
sounds great!  
	I absolutely believe that the right touch on the strings, and the 
right finesse mean more than the guitar or the amp, or the venue, or 
the haircut, or the pick, or anything.  A good guitar and a good amp 
compliment a musician, but the music comes from the musician, and if 
you can't make it sing, then no amount of cash is going to fix that.  
Becker and Friedman recorded some awesome stuff on Hurricane guitars, 
and the guitars they used, seem to me to be complete crap!  Think 
about it.
Chris Ptacek 
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
"The Dude Abides."
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:49:24 -0500
From: krackley@weidmuller.com
Subject: RE:  YTSEJAM digest 3704
Message-ID: <199804032049.PAA00149@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Anyone else start singing DT when drunk?
My friends and I start singing "Pull Me Under" when the feeling hits us.
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:43:46 -0500 
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not.....
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE5023942@HAMSXHA2>
>From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
>
>>        You have proven yourself unworthy by admitting you like "Innocence
>>Faded."  It seems like you have to consider that song to be "cheesy" (and
>>have to love "Scarred") to be certified with good taste in music (or a
>>"prog head").  I was disqualified long ago.
>>J--- F---
>>jefffalk@bu.edu
>
>I really, honestly can't understand why people find Innocence Faded
>cheesy,  it's one of my favorites.
>I mean, I don't see it AT ALL.  I'm not even sure what makes them think
>it's cheesy.  
>
>For those that do..... skip to the 4:00 mark (approximately) you'll find
>one of JP's most awesome solos.
I have to agree with this. I'd personally rather listen to IF than the
Erotomania/Voices/Silent Man Suite. (Even though Silent Man is probably my
favorite song on Awake). 
-Nick
Nicholas Giannotti
"Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:48:40 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in Pordenone & Rudess/Morgenstein project
Message-ID: <35254B28.5074554B@stones.com>
Hello Jammers!!
I went to DT show in Pordenone/Italy last night and thought I 
should share a couple things. The first thing that I find 
extremely cool is that the opening band was Rudess & Morgenstein!
I liked Vanden Plas on previous shows alot, but R&M just kick ass!!
I couldn`t belive the huge sound from only drums and keyboards,
they sounded very much like a classic 4 piece instrumental band!
I even got to buy their CD there and I REALLY recommend it!!
My favorite track is definately "Crossing Over", but it will take
alot of listening to fully comprehend this trully amazing CD.
   DT were amazing just like on every show I saw so far, I don`t 
have words to describe them(amazing is an understatement:)
The setlist positively surprised me a bit. The full versions of
TTT, TOT, LTL and a some parts of Change Of Seasons blew me away!!
They opened with the Crimson Sunrise which was really refreshing.
    I also fullfiled my mision and made the banner for Mr.Portnoy.
Mike if you`r reading this, I`m very sorry for hitting you in
the face with it, but the crowd was crazy and I have two left
hands anyway :) (hope you like the banner though).
Peace, Love and Blessed be!! (how corny:)
      Matej
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:51:19 -0500
From: David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PWI
Message-ID: <35254BC7.2573@dhpc.com>
> has anyone marvelled at the ability to still be able to play guitar 
> while D.O.A. "Drunk Off [their] Ass" ??? (not that I would recommend 
> this, for Drinking and Picking just don't mix!)
well I've never marveled at it, thats just how it was done :)
I played bars and parties for years back in the late 80's
and the customary payment for the band was free food and
beer....needless to say we played a lot of
parties under the influence, and there's nothing like playing
3 chord songs like 'born to be wild' with 3 times the distortion,
extended solos, and twice the tempo that its supposed to be, toasted
with a bunch of buronouts and bikers at a summer night bonfire
party! ROFLMAO!!!   those were the days....<sigh>
Dave (buster)
http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:52:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Innocence cheesy, the smell of cheese around you..."
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980403154653.83826A-100000@archa11.cc.uga.edu>
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> 
> >        You have proven yourself unworthy by admitting you like "Innocence
> >Faded."  It seems like you have to consider that song to be "cheesy" (and
> >have to love "Scarred") to be certified with good taste in music (or a
> >"prog head").  I was disqualified long ago.
> >J--- F---
> >jefffalk@bu.edu
> 
> I really, honestly can't understand why people find Innocence Faded
> cheesy,  it's one of my favorites.
> I mean, I don't see it AT ALL.  I'm not even sure what makes them think
> it's cheesy.  
It's that gawdawful chorus.  PUKE...
However, the ending instrumental section/guitar solo is freakin' great.
> 
> 	The only thing that turns me off to IF as "semi-cheesy" is 
> 	the chorus, but IMHO, compared to You Not Me, it's better.
Have to disagree here, but it's definitely better than Take Away My Pain.
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Album Currently Playing: Stratovarius--Visions                                          
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Matt Smith                     "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words
ktulu@arches.uga.edu            Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into
                                Infinity."
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:58:20 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Openers
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980403155820.00742c54@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>somebody wrote how DT could never open for DMB because one is so much more 
>popular.  I don't get it.  Isn't that the whole idea of opening bands?  
>Exposure?  If I were in charge, I would pair only marginally related bands 
>for a tour.
That sort of thing (two bands not too much alike touring together) happens
quite often, actually.  Take Megadeth and Coal Chamber for
instance..."Friggin' Awesome" and "Extreme Suckage", together at last!
Or not.
And Big Wreck rules.  I've seen 'em 3 times, once without DT being there
even.  True, it was the DC101 $1.01 promotional show with two Gin Blossom
clone openers, but, uh...
Movie talk: "Titanic", while good and all, should give some of their Oscars
to "The Full Monty".  It's only fair -- TFM really deserves *something*
awardy.
DT content: John Petrucci's favorite member of the civet family
(Viverridae) is the binturong (Arctictis bingturong).  Fact.
Brian "Ectotympanic Bullae" Henderson
===========================
Name:
 W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
 hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
 http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
===========================
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:02:43 -0800
From: "reuben" <admin@obstacleillusions.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3704
Message-ID: <9804032107.AA176478@titan.vcu.edu>
: somebody wrote how DT could never open for DMB because one is so much more 
: popular.  I don't get it.  Isn't that the whole idea of opening bands?  
: Exposure?  
If I remember correctly, that person was writing about DMB opening for DT, not the other
way around.
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:50 -0800
From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: drunk
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980403131950.00aada90@mail.legato.com>
Chris slurred and mumbled....
"Excuse me for this post, but I am extremely intoxicated right now, and
Dream Theater is SO FUCKING COOL when your drunk.
Just thought I'd let everybody know.
chris"
ROTFLMAOTMHHTK!!!!!!!!!!!
here's my humble contribution......altho I can handle my Tequila just fine
(just ask the Cali Crew)  Get me ripped on Jaeger and it's another
story.....for some reason I get this inexplicble urge to sing:
Take away my pain......I'm not drinking anymore!
Just stay with me tonight...before I stumble and hit the floor!
oh yeah and another thing...sorry to see ya go George, but then again I am
glad to see all types of people interested in Dream Theater's music!
toodles.....back to the Shadows I go!
Coldfire
GalleryMistress@dreamt.org	
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List
http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....."  Cyrstalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:50:27 -0700
From: fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Innocence Cheesy?  I think not.....
Message-ID: <v01530500b14afacd472b@[128.111.29.61]>
>>        You have proven yourself unworthy by admitting you like "Innocence
>>Faded."  It seems like you have to consider that song to be "cheesy" (and
>>have to love "Scarred") to be certified with good taste in music (or a
>>"prog head").  I was disqualified long ago.
>>J--- F---
>>jefffalk@bu.edu
>
>I really, honestly can't understand why people find Innocence Faded
>cheesy,  it's one of my favorites.
>I mean, I don't see it AT ALL.  I'm not even sure what makes them think
>it's cheesy.
>
>For those that do..... skip to the 4:00 mark (approximately) you'll find
>one of JP's most awesome solos.
>
>- Joe DeAngelo
I agree that the instrumental part of the song kicks major booty, but I can
see why people have an overall objection to the song: James' vocals
are a bit on the cheesy side.  I wouldn't place the blame directly on him;
the way the vocals were written has a lot to do with it.  It's just that
it has a fair amount of 80's cheese injected into it, that's all.  In my
opinion, it's not enough to kill the song, but those not used to James'
style (or DT's in general) would balk.
Paul
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Paul T. Fini                                         U.C. Santa Barbara
fini@engineering.ucsb.edu                            Materials Dept.
voice (805)893-8869, fax (805)893-8971               MOCVD group
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:14:34 -0500
From: YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pist-On
Message-ID: <35255F49.90B4C049@DreamT.org>
> I saw queensryche last summer and do you know who
> opened?  Piston!  This is a punk band!
Punk?!?  i don't really think so....
I saw them open for QR also last summer..
To me they are more Gothic/Heavy Metal, very influenced by Type O
and the band pronounces it Pist-On (Pissed - on)
the radio stations are the ones who changed it to Piston
For anyone that wants to check them out, I'll put their song up
tonight on my ftp server. (also, a bunch of DT stuff will be goin up)
        ftp://ytsejam.hartford.edu/
Take Care
~YtseJim
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:04:16 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Ytse-Police
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980403150416.00877bf0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>Watch out guys, it's the ytse-police.  So, we can spend eternity
>discussing whether or not the Yes singer sucks and discussing what kind of
>picks "make you play better", but Metallica is too off topic?  Blow me.
Uh, no thanks?
Im not saying its off topic, Im saying I am tired of reading "Metallica
should go back to MoP and AJFA...They are a bunch of posers now."  "No they
arent, I like them."  We have been reading the same shit ever since Load
came out, and everyone who hasnt commented on it seems to think that their
view will be somehow different than anyone else's.  Same post, different
name.  Either you like them now, you dont, or you dont care.  Im just
getting tired of reading about it.
But I am only one person, so go ahead and post how much Lars sucks, or how
much you love Hammet's consistency in his solos over at least a 10 year
time span.  I challange you to add something new into the Metallica vs.
Alternica debate, and welcome it, but for the love of god do not say
something that has been said 400 times before..
Jon
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