YTSEJAM Digest 3726
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3722
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
2) Nuno, + DT in Chi-town
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
3) Re: Big Wreck
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3724
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
5) MUsicians URLS, various replies, etc...
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
6) Re: Lemmings are cool. and I'm too
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
7) Re: Mike Mangini URL
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
8) king's X : DOgman covered by TOURNIQUET
by O-P Komonen <opk@hlti.fi>
9) more on tourniquet... with Ronnie James Dio
by O-P Komonen <opk@hlti.fi>
10) Re: EVH
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
11) Tix for shows
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) Pre-show St. Louis gathering
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
13) Stuff.
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
14) oh, THAT cover band!
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
15) King of Clubs
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
16) Warning!! HE'S BAAAAAAAAACK and IT'S A LONG ONE! muhahahahahah
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3722
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980410022647.150436C-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> 2) The connection may also be strengthened by the fan base. It is almost a
> given that DT fans like Savatage and vice-versa.
I've given Savatage a chance and I don't like them. I bought "Streets,"
"Handful Of Rain" and "Dead Winter Dead" and was left unimpressed. Just
thought I'd share.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:31:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nuno, + DT in Chi-town
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980410012352.8575C-100000@grover.eecs.uic.edu>
> From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
> << Nuno is busy recording a quadruple CD with QR at the moment, but I'm
> sure he'd be happy to entertain the idea :) >>
>
> are you serious??????
> if QR gets nuno to record some guitar tracks hell i'll start listening to them
> again.
Dude! If Quiet Riot got Nuno, that would rule!
> From: AL <al@isd.net>
> Subject: Re: Midwest DTers
> > Minneapolis, MN, drop me a line. I'll chip in gas money, of course.
> Brian, I live in Oakdale, it's just 8 miles east of St. Paul.
> I am seriously considering making the trip to Chicago.
Um, the date in Chicago has been, like, cancelled or something. Leave me
your seats. Seriously though, I'm impressed by the region-wide demand for
DT. Hopefully I'll get to shake hands with some names from the Jam at the
HoB.
Mike! Play the Civic Center in Peoria! Play The Mark in the Quad Cities!
You will draw!
Glenn
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reading today!" Just because you're paranoid doesn't
mean everyone isn't out to get you.
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:54:19 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Big Wreck
Message-ID: <199804100653.XAA22783@odin.ax.com>
> I just had the absolute COOLEST experience EVER!!! Big Wreck played here
> in Columbia, Mo. tonight...to a croud of LESS than 25 people. I shit you
That sounds cool. Anyone going to the St. Louis BW show tomorrow
(well, today)? I'll be there. e-mail me if anyone is and we can
maybe hook up.
Dale R. Newberry
"As miserable as life is, I hold it pretty
precious." -Henry Rollins
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:00:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3724
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980410024841.150436E-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
I was just really moved by a
> Richard Riviera's comment about Tower Records. After he found LTE at Tower
> Records he proclaimed what a store. Well I too saw LTE at Tower, but I also
> saw it down the street at Newbury Comics, a small Boston based chain, for a
> dollar less.
Take into account the fact that I go to school in Vermont, where no one, I
mean, NO ONE had or even heard of the album (believe me, I checked) and my
comment was appropriate. It was refreshing to walk into a store, spread my
arms out to their fullest extension, and not knock a bin of CDs over. I
just meant that they had a great selection, or at least a bigger one than
is normally available to me. I also picked up Mike Tramp's (ex-White Lion)
solo album during the same excursion at Tower, which I also couldn't find
in the Green Mountain State. I wasn't commenting on their prices.
When I returned to Tower a few weeks later to browse, I noticed
> that although they had a LTE divider, there were no CD's.
I probably snagged the last one :)
I walked down the
> street to Newbury Comics and there LTE was. They were having a 3 dollar off
> sale. So I got the CD for 4 dollars cheaper than I saw it at Tower. Tower
> Records, a huge chain, gets tons of business, while those in the know shop at
> Newbury Comics. Just my 2 cents for relatively small business.
>
I've been to Newbury before. If I would have known they would have it for
$4 cheaper, of course I would have gone there. Now that I know, I'll make
it a point to check them out the next time some obscure release comes out,
especially since I'm moving to Boston this summer.
Richie
P.S. If it makes you feel any better, I lost my credit card after buying
LTE and Mike Tramp's album and didn't notice until a week later. During
that time, someone racked up over $300 in fraudulent charges.
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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:59:45 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MUsicians URLS, various replies, etc...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980409165945.007abba0@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Im updating my link site so I need some URLS from official or very cool
musicians sites, so far I have:
Guitar Players
JASON BECKER http://www.jasonbecker.com/
GREG HOWE http://www.greghowe.com/
ERIC JOHNSON http://www.ericjohnson.com/
MIKE KENEALLY http://www.moosenet.com/keneally.html
RICHIE KOTZEN http://www.richiekotzen.com/
TONY MACALPINE http://www.macalpine.com/
STEVE MORSE http://www.stevemorse.com/
BLUES SARACENO http://www.bluessaraceno.com/
JOE SATRIANI http://www.satriani.com/
STEVE VAI http://www.vai.com/
DWEEZIL ZAPPA http://www.musicforpets.com/
FRANK ZAPPA http://www.zappa.com/
Bass Players
BRYAN BELLER http://www.moosenet.com/bryan.html
BILLY SHEEHAN http://www.billysheehan.com/
Drummers
MIKE TERRANA http://www.terrana.com/
Music Publications
GUITAR WORLD http://www.guitarworld.com/
GUITAR http://www.guitarmag.com/
MODERN DRUMMER http://www.moderndrummer.com/
Please let me know more URLS from of guitar players, bass players, drum
players, etc... groups, music publications, music labels like magna carta,
shrapnel, kissthestone.com etc...
also Im going to include Mike Mangini's site but i dont have the URL now.
please help me with this one.
thanks.
(keep reading)
At 11:16 AM 31/03/98 -0800, portnoy wrote:
>I think we've offered the entire world the opportunity to see us in that
>setting...
I dont think Dream Thetaer has ever been to Mexico, and last time I checked
Mexico was part of the world too, not everybody can travel 4, 9 or 12 to
catch a band...I know most people think that mexico is a retarded country
or something...the rest of the world think of us as people with mariachi
hats and stuff like that, we're not indians!!!, we have TVs, cars and we
like good bands, I remember on my last trip to canada people was asking me
if we had horses instead of cars, they were even explaining me what was a
TV, c'mon guys, people would be surprised to see that a big city from
mexico is almost like a big city of US or some other countries...
At ??:?? ?? ??/??/?? -????, someone wrote:
>King of Clubs--Paul Gilbert April 21
what does this means? is Paul touring or releasing his album on the US? I
have the JAP copy, it only has one more song. the album is not guitar
oriented but has good song on it.
-- Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:49:11 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lemmings are cool. and I'm too Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980409154911.007a9eb0@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
At 05:49 PM 8/04/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>Well, to expand on the Metropolis thread, here are some songs that I'd >>LIKE to hear in the middle of Metro Pt. 1 - > >I'd like to see James and Derek caress each other and sing "If I Close My >Eyes Forever." I bet James can do some pretty good Ozzy faces.
I'd like to hear the simpsons theme played by the band, or any paganini caprices, maybe get the funk out from extreme
> >>From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> > ><script="Absolute rediculous rant"> >If you don't stop posting so damn much, I'm gonna drive down to Mexico and >feed you Alka Seltzer until stomach acid comes out your ears and beat you >with a rubber hose until your skin bursts open and gangrene starts to rot >your extremeties. After that, I'll serate what's left of your flesh and >rub pine tree air fresheners over the cuts. If you've got so much to say, >clip the damn reply crap and dump it all in one post. ></script> >
ok, Im sorry korg has a poitn and I wont send 20 posts a day, Im sorry, I will just put them all in one post, usually I really dont post much on the jam but this is a free week for me, Im out of school until monday so Im readng all the posts, I decided to post just one because I remembered that korg does indead has my address, ups. and I really dont like alka seltzer
ps. I also edited my sig file -- Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:42:11 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mike Mangini URL Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980410024211.007c0e90@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Finally I got Mike Mangini's URL for those who doesnt know Mike Mangini is a great drummer did anyone heard him play on Mike Keneally's Sluggo? I havent got that album yet
the URL for his homepage is
http://www.rhythmknowledge.com/
hope you like it
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:40:16 +0300 From: O-P Komonen <opk@hlti.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: king's X : DOgman covered by TOURNIQUET Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980410104016.007f8210@hlti.fi>
this just in from heaven's metal magazine...
>>>>>>>>>>> Various The Mother Of All Tribute Albums ( HM Records)
..many won't realize just how much The Imperials bridged the gap between Southern Gospel and Rock when they have a listen to Atomic Opera's run through on the song "WaterGrave," but maybe these curiosities will lead to further investigation, which can't hurt a bit. In between the album's opener--a gritty take on King's X's "Dogman" by Tourniquet =97 and the record's closer, dc Talk's "Jesus Freak" sung by the ever-enigmatic Jesus Freak himself, Larry Norman .... <<<<<<<<<<<<
anyone heard that??
op777 ------------------------------------------------------------- Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266 ------------------------------------------------------------- "YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore "Very positive message" -James LaBrie -------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:44:53 +0300 From: O-P Komonen <opk@hlti.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more on tourniquet... with Ronnie James Dio Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980410104453.00800e30@hlti.fi>
also found this from new HM....
>>>>> Tourniquet's new bass player is Vince Dennis. He was first seen live with Tourniquet by fans in Germany and Holland last December. Due to a chance meeting at an airport, Ronnie James Dio is planning on doing a guest vocal track on the next Tourniquet release. Ted Kirkpatrick assures us that "those who have heard him know what a great addition he would make to a Tourniquet song!" On receiving HM Readers' Poll honors, Ted says, "We want to thank HM readers for being so appreciative of what we do. We always will consider it a privilege to create music that honors God and people enjoy." Congrats go out to Ted on his upcoming wedding to Christy on March 28. <<<<<<
op777 ------------------------------------------------------------- Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266 ------------------------------------------------------------- "YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore "Very positive message" -James LaBrie -------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:47:39 +1000 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: EVH Message-ID: <352DCE9B.DF47B8B3@sydney.net>
Glenn Waterfield wrote: > You get my vote for "wasted most bandwidth with needless belligerence."
Thanks you I get a prize for this ? > I've always been a huge fan of EVH, but someone who goes through life as > coked up as him has a hard time gaining my respect.
Like it not, he did revolutionise guitar playing.
> How can you argue with that? Differing opinions suck. Graham says so.
No they don't, but when someone trashes EVH calling him a 'wanker' without good reason and constantly trashes other people's music with backing up there comments, I am entitled to have my say. I have no respect or desire to read this kinda stuff.
> Peace.
Hah ! After these comments you expect peace ? This is war :)
graham
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:50:32 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tix for shows Message-ID: <01BD6423.0E9969D0.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
So, when the tix for the L.A. shows come out, will those of us in Nor Cal be able to go to Ticketbastard and buy them, or will they do some sort of "cant buy tix for out of area shows" -- if so, we'll need some sort of plan for getting our grubby little fingers on those tickets.
Anyone else up for going to all 3 shows? :)
Mebbe we should start a CalJammer list for this ...
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 05:23:47 -0500 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pre-show St. Louis gathering Message-ID: <l03130308b153a3531c15@[128.252.105.105]>
Hiya,
I just wanted to ask anyone who wanted to be placed on the gathering list a t Fitz's to email me privately at srhatle@artsci.wustl.edu rather than posting to the jam as it better assures that I'll get your message.
Thanks and Cheers, Seth
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:21:43 PDT From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff. Message-ID: <19980410112143.15853.qmail@hotmail.com>
>has anyone heard the mike portnoy solo project album.
Sort of...I vaguely remember listening it for 6 hours yesterday...I´m not sure, though. :-)
-Vilzu-
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:35:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: oh, THAT cover band! Message-ID: <199804101327.JAA16272@bertelsmanncis.com>
from d-man: >This is indeed true. EM was a cover band that used to play clubs here and >there on LI. I assume that now that DT and Savatage are working again, >neither one has time for EM, but you never know when they'll pop up again. >BTW, EM could rip on covers. I was fortunate enough to see them once (summer >95, if I remember correctly). Great renditions of blues-rock classics. >Then again, great musicians can pretty much make anything sound good.
Wow, this world is small. Quick story: I'm sitting in philosophy class, Fall of '95 at Hofstra University on LI. Well, I'm wearing one of my DT shirts, and the guy next to me is like, hey, you know DT? He proceeds to tell me that he's good buddies with the new keyboardist, Derek. They play in this cover band around LI locally, just getting together without any rehearsal and having a good time. His name was Chuck, and he was the drummer. Anyway, he ended up getting me backstage passes to one of the Malibu shows, though I never did get to see EM play. Oh well.
Weird how stuff like this comes back around, though....
--MATt
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:14:51 -0700 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: King of Clubs Message-ID: <01bd648b$06d695c0$31a4d6d0@internet>
>>King of Clubs--Paul Gilbert April 21 > >what does this means? is Paul touring or releasing his album on the US? I >have the JAP copy, it only has one more song. the album is not guitar >oriented but has good song on it. >
Of what I understand, this is the U.S release date for 'King of Clubs' that Paul told me a couple weeks ago. peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:01:14 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Warning!! HE'S BAAAAAAAAACK and IT'S A LONG ONE! muhahahahahah Message-ID: <352E343A.31DF@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Pat G: > posting 9 times a jam?
oonce, tice, fee times a mady... :)
> EVERYONE: Stop posting dumbass forwards and chain letters to the jam, or > I'm going to personally steal your kidneys and sell them on the black > market.
Pat: you must be new here. The kidney post is old. Please stop posting about already....
And stop making sense, would ya? This is the ytsejam!!!! :)
Seriously though, Pat is right. For those of us in digest mode, the page down key is being circumvented, and it must stop, or the posse is gonna start paging down people's skulls! :)
Jon K: > Damn 21+ people : )
Grow up, woulda ya? :)
Rocky: > i'm sure you guys will continue his way of like [****] or something.... ^^^^^^^^ I sure hope I'm not being attached to this. In case you didn't perceive it, it was a joke on my part :) Don't you remember the whole bruhaha over the Nuno rumor? A quadruple CD??? C'mon, I tried to be sublte, and I guess it worked :)
I, for one, would never stifle your thoughts. I might question them as I feel I have the right to, especially if they affect me, but never stifle them. They affected me. Equating or hinting at even the remotest of connections between what goes on here with what happened in one of the darkest periods in the history of the human race, makes me ill. This is not reality, that was. Can we please end that as a focus of the thread? I apologize for making a joke at your expense.
Whatever other disagreements may be going on with others, please address that with them. I had nothing to do with it, and besides I have a 10AM appointment for a navel lint cleansing :)
Glenn: > I've always been a huge fan of EVH, but someone who goes through life as > coked up as him has a hard time gaining my respect.
As a person or as a musician? Or perhaps both. Just curious :)
Guess a disclaimer is needed: I am in no way advocating the use of cocaine or any other illegal substance for use in enhancing the musical performance or listening experience.
For what little it's worth, my brother is a professional musician, has played with several symphony orchestras, performed at Tanglewood, taught jazz workshops, etc. For the most part I hold his opinion of musicians, and music in general, in pretty high regard (and not just because he is my brother either). We have some common ground in the types of music we like and we also have some major differences :)
He happened to do some composing for Eddie a few years back. He hadn't owned one VH album up to that point! His entire exposure might have been whatever he stumbled upon on the radio. They sent him their entire collection, obviously so that he could familiarize himself with the total VH experience.
I believe his words were 'this guy plays his dick off!' He didn't make a comparison to another musician, didn't need to rank him. He just made the statement in and of itself. There's a lot more to the scene than what you see delivered to you through the media.
Does this mean I think Eddie is the greatest player in the world? Maybe, maybe not, but if I thought he was, so what? If you don't, fine! Do you need to rip my throat out on it, till I bow down, submit, and go "You know, you're right, he does in fact, suck. What the fuck was my lobotomized mind thinking?"
He has soul! For me, emotion is revealed when he plays, and he causes me to feel! He may not have crossed some threshold of technique so many of you require, before you consider them human. I actually think Eddie is a damn good player, though, so bring it on, tough guys :)
You don't see most musicians of class shit on other musicians or make contests out of it like it's a sporting event. Go back and look at JP's response to Blind Melon for the best example I can think of, that's DTC :) Did he return fire? No! That man is a professional! He showed respect for the art form itself and remained centered around the fact that it's the 'music that matters' not the "i don't wank, you fucking drug addict, you can't play your way out of a paper bag"
I'm not saying that you personally were shitting. This is all just a general statement, as there seems to be a lot of putting down of musicians going on lately. The real pros don't need to put others down to raise themselves up. They rise up on their own. DT are pros all the way, #1 on the Billboard Charts or not!!!
>> Don't bother replying, cos I filter your bullshit straight to the trash >> where it belongs !
> How can you argue with that? Differing opinions suck. Graham says so.
I can argue with anything, if you haven't figured that out yet. We come from a long line of genetically altered stubborn people, in my family :)
So? He said so. So what? Although I didn't actually see him say so :) He considered the post bullshit. Where's the problem? 'where it belongs' according to him :) Wasn't that obvious? I didn't seem him indicate that that I must do the same. He made his decision based on what appears to be that *he* doesn't like the guy's delivery, not necessarily his opinion. So apparently, he should continue to suffer by reading words which in essence, take a group/musician/whatever that he happens to like a fair amount, and simply spit on them?
There seem to be some who need to reduce a musician to a piece of shit, for whatever reason, maybe just to feel better about the other bands that they claim totally dominate. It actually makes them appear larger than life, when you reduce everything around them down to nothing. I imagine you wouldn't have seen the reaction you saw, had the pitch been delivered differently.
I'm not defending his tactics either, but I can understand why he reacted.
If you don't like something, fine. Show a little respect for those who might. This is 'wide' room. I'm not saying you have to walk on eggshells, but launching an ICBM of opinion and then NOT expecting a reaction, is simply just flying blind. There are actual living, breathing, human beings in here, not sheep who just take whatever you throw at them, no matter how much it upsets them.
Unless, of course, it's a joke, in which case, LOCK N LOAD, baybay !!!!
> Try them sobber sometime ;)
hahahahahah *hiccup*
Guess a disclaimer is needed: I am in no way advocating the use of alcohol any other _legal_ substance for use in enhancing the musical performance or listening experience. :)
Have a nice day,
Your local ytse keystone cop ;) -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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