YTSEJAM Digest 3729
Today's Topics:
1) Re: new tour dates.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Primal Fear (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3728
by YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
4) Re: Latest DT Summer Tour Update
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) DT tour
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
6) WTF?!?!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
7) Moms into DT
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) KorgX3rd Reich.
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3724
by Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com>
10) Re: Hot For Teacher
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
11) Kamelot News (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
12) Re: WTF?!?!
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) Re: Hot For Teacher
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14) Music That Kicks Ass -- Talk Talk
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
15) Most Un-popular Ytsejammer???
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
16) Re: DT tour, woot, is Savatage "Humpin' Around"?!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:04:53 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: new tour dates.
Message-ID: <352EA595.923B435@caribe.net>
Jon Kretschmer wrote:
> Well, that just about blows my chances of seeing DT again this leg. HOB
> are real sticklers for 21+. I saw them two times last one around, so I
> guess its ok.
>
> <enter violins playing a real sorrowful tune>
>
> SMACK
>
> Stop whining bitch.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Jon
-- YEAH you better bitch!! :) I can not stress it enough that living in Puerto Rico sux!!In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:13:58 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Primal Fear (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980410231358.006ed274@pop.pipeline.com>
Alexis, the gender-neutral being, wrote: >Hey people! I was web surfing today and found out that Ralf Scheepers >(ex-Gamma Ray vocalist) has a new band called Primal Fear. Could anybody >give me a review of the album? I've heard a couple songs on real audio and >they sound pretty good. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!
Ok, let me break it down. Primal Fear's debut cd is self-titled. The cd features a solo here and there from Kai Hansen. The cd also features a cover of Deep Purple's "Speed King." As for the material itself, imagine Judas Priest from 1982-85 run through a blender and a bit more modern in its production. I am of the opinion that there are purposeful allusions to JP on this disc - otherwise there is some serious plagarism going on! Good stuff, but this is no "Sigh No More."
CD of the Day: Yngwie Malmsteen - Facing the Animal Now watching: Brewers vs. Mets (this means you , D-Man!)
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions 43-20-15 vs NY Rangers
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:22:16 -0400 From: YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3728 Message-ID: <352EA9A8.32580C36@DreamT.org>
>> http://ytsejam.hartford.edu/ftp.htm > This was supposed to be to links of DT and Savatage +more mp3s... my hopes > were so high they busted right up against the ceiling and went *SPLAT* > there as I soon discovered that each link I tried gave me this message: > connection limit reached > ARGH!!! What is up with this? Does this mean that I will never be able to > access these at all, since the sight is supposedly going down soon? Help!
Thats because i use a stupid FTP server :) stupid microsoft for some strange reason i have to reset it every once in a while so please be patient!! you can also access the FTP site directly at ystejam.hartford.edu and these mp3's are ALL on my site, these are not links to OTHER sites and yes it will go down in about 3 weeks, because i lose my internet connection..... So keep trying....... take care!
~YtseJim YtseJim@DreamT.org
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:43:45 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Latest DT Summer Tour Update Message-ID: <199804102343.QAA01975@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Portnoy420 said: >Sun. May 17 & Mon. May 18 - House of Blues - Los Angeles, CA >**No Santa Ana show as expected
I guess you under 21 people on the west coast are running up a shit landslide :)
>Once again....THINGS ARE STILL SUBJECT TO CHANGE... >So don't pack up your cars just yet.... >As things get confirmed, you'll hear from me.....
Or, you may get lucky... hahahh
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:04:15 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT tour Message-ID: <01ea01bd64dd$6135aea0$a72746cf@sir.micron.net>
That's right it's me again. I need to know if Club Rio in Tempe and the Maritime Hall in SF are 21+ or not, and if so how strict they are. I'm going to see if I can get to the AZ one especially because I'm sure there'll be a mini ytsecon beforehand.
Get high on ether when there's no one in the house. Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out. That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow To practice dying now.
woot™
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:17:42 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: WTF?!?! Message-ID: <352EB6A6.2A3C6092@ameritech.net>
WTF is going on?!
My Mom heard me listening to DT today (Surrounded) and said "Who's this?" After I told her, she said "hey, that's pretty good". She then heard HY, TAMP, WFS, and some of AD and liked all of it!?
Okay, okay...... those are their softie songs you say. Here's the kicker....
She listened to all of Metropolis Pt.1, and even said that it was good as well! Also she listened to JP's long solo (the kinda bluesy one) on the LiT video (after To Live Forever, I think), and liked that too!
Now she's gonna borrow my I&W and FII cd's (I sure as hell don't think she's ready for Awake yet, :-P ) Consider my mind totally blown...........
Will miracles never cease? - Joe DeAngelo
p.s. My Mom said she thinks James' voice sounds a bit like Freddy Mercury from Queen (not a ton, but a bit). Anyone agree with this?
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:46:25 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Moms into DT Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980410213434.3283A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
[Moms into DT] > p.s. My Mom said she thinks James' voice sounds a bit like Freddy > Mercury from Queen (not a ton, but a bit). > Anyone agree with this?
Well, a friend of mine (who was into progressive rock and didn't even know -- she only had some CDs and thought they were good) told me the same thing.
BTW, my Mom says (whenever I start playing some DT) that "So, here come you again with those guys... Well, they have some nice hairs [Comment -- she watched to both the I&W video and the Japan Pay-Per-View show with me]... They must be a bunch of gays..."
She likes "Master of Puppets". :-) (She told that she thinks that the only male singer in heavy metal that has voice of a real man is James Hetfield -- the others scream way too much and often seem like a girl or like those cookie monsters :-) ). I guess that, in some sense, she is right (let's see: the list begins with Andre Matos... :-) ).
[], Roger...
P.S.: Actually, the direct translation into English of the word I put here as "gays" isn't exactly gays, not in the pejorative sense, but saying that they are too much delicate to be tough men :-) (I don't know how it should be written in English -- jammers brasileiros: alguem tem nocao de como "bichinhas" poderia ser traduzido? :-) )
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:51:07 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: KorgX3rd Reich. Message-ID: <01bd64e3$e992aea0$2e0d84d0@korgx3>
Mike P. You guys gotta make a weekend stop in Salt Lake City. That way, more than just unemployed scum would come and see you guys. Me, for one. :) I need to move to a city or something.
>breathing, human beings in here, not sheep who just take whatever you >throw at them, no matter how much it upsets them.
Damn. What the hell am I doing here then?
>yea i know you were just joking, you werent the one it was intended for. >believe me i would NEVER compare anyone to hitler unless they truely deserved >it =]
Hell, I'd take it as a compliment to be compared to Hitler. Quite a bit was accomplished through his regime (aside from the wonton destruction and mindless slaughter). And he was a pretty good artist, too. Very charismatic person. Started as a soldier in a unit in WWI. Eventually becomes a dictator over a small empire. I'm not saying that he was a good person, but he set out to do something and he accomplished it. I respect him for that much. Remember, the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world... Do.
I bet I get alot of flame mail for that. Be careful though, you might not like my responses.
>I heard Ronnie Dio say this (referring to his height and powerful voice) years >ago, when Mustaine was still in Diapers.
Yah, but doesn't Dio have to wear diapers now? Ronny Dio depends on Depends. Notice how they try and keep it respectful by calling them undergarments. heheh.
Carpe Phallus, KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:57:31 EDT From: Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3724 Message-ID: <763444b6.352ebffd@aol.com>
Ethyl Mertz is a side gig f. DS, Al Pitrelli, and Eric Singer. DS played on KISS's "Revenge" tour in '92, and ES had also spent timme in Alice's band. DS & ES share a house out in southern Ca. BTW, the ad for DP & ELP lists the gig at Great Woods on 8/8, BUT DT is not mentioned.
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:27:56 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hot For Teacher Message-ID: <352EC71C.9920B0B1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
>> 15. Hot For Teacher (Van Halen) > > Whoa!I always knew that Mike was a great drummer, but he can play H= ot > for Teacher?I mean that double bass beat is wicked!(Just try playin= g > shuffle beat real fast with double bass drums and you=B4ll get the = idea)
> Mike, tell us honestly.How long did you practise before you got tha= t > beat in the pocket? > > -Vilzu- >
2 things:
1.) That drumbeat in "Hot For Teacher" is overdubbed 4 times! Alex V= an Halen doesn't really play that all at once. It's unhumanly possible. You'd need a couple extra legs and arms to play it! 2.) Even though I like Van Halen, Alex Van Halen isn't really that go= od, and players like Portnoy, Bruford, and Peart are on a totally differe= nt plateau, and can play circles around drummers like Alex Van Halen.
Chris -- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.
- King Crimson
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:44:55 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kamelot News (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980411014455.0068a9ac@pop.pipeline.com>
]From the Kamelot web site (www.kamelot.com):
>Kamelot's newest record Siege Perilous is due to be released in Europe on May >25th and in the rest of the world June 25th. The record was recorded at >Morrisound and mixed at Area 51 in Germany. Produced by Thomas Youngblood and >Kamelot, Mixed by Tommy Newton. Look for Kamelot to tour the world in support. >Rock on Metal Brothers!!!
Gee, I wonder if "the world" includes the U.S. :-)
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions 43-20-15 vs NY Rangers
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: WTF?!?! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980410191847.25073A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
<interesting stuff snipped>
I wasn't so kind on my mom -- first thing I did was pop in JP's big solo in Erotomania and said, "Hey mom, I listen to this" and grinned. Her response? "Whoa... Not bad -- but I like Alice Cooper better" Cool.
>p.s. My Mom said she thinks James' voice sounds a bit like Freddy >Mercury from Queen (not a ton, but a bit). >Anyone agree with this? >
I personally think Freddy sung (sang?) circles around KJLB, but yeah, the upper register thing, the generally powerful voice -- if you don't listen to both back-to-back, there are definately similarities.
--Matt (whose dad likes listening to DT bootlegs -- he's amazed they have so much stuff that doesn't make it to albums)
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Hot For Teacher Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980410192138.25073B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Chris Calabrese wrote:
>2 things: > >1.) That drumbeat in "Hot For Teacher" is overdubbed 4 times! Alex V= >an >Halen doesn't really play that all at once. It's unhumanly possible. >You'd need a couple extra legs and arms to play it!
Okay.
>2.) Even though I like Van Halen, Alex Van Halen isn't really that go= >od, >and players like Portnoy, Bruford, and Peart are on a totally differe= >nt >plateau, and can play circles around drummers like Alex Van Halen. >
Yes, but the question is -- can MP play better than 4 Alex Van Halens? The thing is -- AVH overdubbed the thing 4x, but MP was playing it live -- so, even if it wasn't humanly possible, this is Mike "Animal" Portnoy we're talking about.
I guess the real question is -- how close did he get to playing like the record? Or did they even do that part?
>Chris >-- >Between the iron gates of fate, >The seeds of time were sown, >And watered by the deeds of those >Who know and who are known; >Knowledge is a deadly friend >When no one sets the rules. >The fate of all mankind I see >Is in the hands of fools. > > - King Crimson > > > >
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:54:01 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com, sylvian@arastar.com Subject: Music That Kicks Ass -- Talk Talk Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980410225401.0079ce50@pop3.afn.org>
(Sending a copy to the sylvian list because everyone there might not have heard this much-discussed group.)
Talk Talk is hard to describe. They're not metal, not similar to DT in any way, but they are progressive. Not progressive rock, the only similarity they have to any classic progrock album is to King Crimson's ISLANDS. Minimal at times, quiet, yet thickly orchestrated at times. All moved by Mark Hollis's anguished voice and ringing guitar.
This song is from the last Talk Talk album, LAUGHING STOCK. "Ascension Day" is probably the most upbeat song on the album, but I love it to death. I sometimes can't believe just how brilliant this piece of music is, especially as the guitar turns into barely controlled cacophony thundering into a PMU ending.
There is a sample at http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ascension.zip of the song. If you like it, the album will be worth your while, as will SPIRIT OF EDEN, the Talk Talk album right before it. I hear that O'rang (Talk Talk members minus Hollis) and Mark Hollis solo (not available in America) are great as well.
The 2.8 meg mp3 is in 44k mono, because I don't have the disk space for more, but that doesn't really matter because it's only meant as a sample. The file is zipped to avoid cooking of the mp3 by Netscape.
The song will be around for a week. A week from Monday, it will disappear from the face of the earth.
I'm not sure what to bring you next week. I'm thinking about some old King's X.
-=- I know a monster when I see one in the mirror.
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Most Un-popular Ytsejammer??? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980410231249.3834D-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Yes ladies and gents, I'm quite sure I've won this award by now unfortunatly. Why? you ask??? Well just ask anyone who's in "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" I'm quite sure they all HATE me by now. Anyways for those who aren't members of the webring...stop by one of your favorite Dream Theater pages, and check out our ALL NEW Chat room, and message board. Yes, you can now chat with other cool Ytsejammers, and DT fans all over the world who are checking out other cool DT pages. Now let's get the damn thing full!!! :) The new chatroom and Message board are up on both of my DT related pages (weak as they are) at either of the following URL's
"LSOAR Homepage" http://www.wezl.org/lift "NuGgeTMaN's Sad little DT page" http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN/dt.html Cheers! :)
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:31:11 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> Subject: Re: DT tour, woot, is Savatage "Humpin' Around"?! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980410203109.006e5a14@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 05:21 PM 4/10/98 -0700, you wrote: > >That's right it's me again. I need to know if Club Rio in Tempe and the >Maritime Hall in SF are 21+ or not, and if so how strict they are. I'm >going to see if I can get to the AZ one especially because I'm sure there'll >be a mini ytsecon beforehand.
I saw Anthrax in Club Rio when I was 18. Yeah, Club Rio is all ages :) And it's a pretty spiffy venue too ;) I'll be sure to be there, and YES, we will have about 5-10 ytsejammers, 2-3 full bands worth of people (Obscure, PoetShaker, and Th!nkAdectomy), about 5-10 other friends of ours, and we're gonna take over the Hooters in Tempe :)
Okay, SAVATAGE question. On The Wake of Magellan, at 0:55 into track 7 ("Paragons of Innocence"), the band goes into the same melody as Bobby Brown's "Humpin' Around". Anyone else hear this?! Hey, shutttup, I was in junior high once :)
~Vinnie mourns the loss of Gary Hoey to Fender (eek) guitars.
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