YTSEJAM Digest 3737
Today's Topics:
1) Should there be more LTE???
by Henri Serton <hserton@worldonline.nl>
2) On the road with DT...Pt.II
by adiel@earthling.net
3) 'Script For Mike Bhar's Tear'
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3736
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
5) Re: Strapping Young Lad
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
6) DT @ Cincy / Galactic Cowboys (unrelated)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
7) Bahr Wars
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
8) Any Questions For Iron Maiden?
by "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com>
9) la femme DT-ers
by kiki@biosys.net
10) Re: Bahr Wars
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
11) Savatage
by "JEFFREY T CLINE" <JCLINE@toltec.astate.edu>
12) Mike, dont go
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
13) Ooh Eee Ooh Ah Ah.
by someone@prognosis.com
14) mike "sonny" bahr
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
15) Re: I guess I'm not welcome here?
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
16) Re: Joey Tafolla
by AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:44:20 -0700
From: Henri Serton <hserton@worldonline.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Should there be more LTE???
Message-ID: <35326B14.F0D75A10@worldonline.nl>
Since I got the LTE CD it has not been out of my CD player.
I REALY, REALY, LOVE this disk!!!
So here's a question:
What do the members of this list think about the following:
Should LTE come together again next year
and the years after that to record new album's?
Or should they not do this?
Do you think they can be as spontaneous the next time
as they were before?
Or is it something that can not be repeated??
hserton@worldonline.nl
http://home.worldonline.nl/~hserton/
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: adiel@earthling.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: On the road with DT...Pt.II
Message-ID: <199804131148.HAA21151@web01.globecomm.net>
Hi again,
We're here in the The Internet Cafe in Sauchiehall street, Glasgow.
So, the gig in Manchester went really well. They played the other version of the setlist this time which included TTT ToT and starting with ACOS I & II.
There was a really good atmosphere in the hall, as it was very small, and everone was very enthusiastic.
The security guard insisted on taking everyone's entire ticket on the way in, not just the stub, and so I argued with him for 5 minutes to let me keep mine, as it was my third DT show out of 4 when I had got ticket no. 82, - this is my new lucky no.!
Before the gig, we spoke to KJLB and JP as they arrived and I took some pictures which we had developed in a 1-hr place near the gig, and got signed afterwards!
The gig itself was ven better than the night before IMHO
TTT was really good, and the band were quite hyped up, so they did an extended jam including bits of YYZ, Hot for Teacher and others...
In the Metropolis medley, we were honoured to see the 1st UK performance by Nikki Lemons, a true rock star.
Thanks to MP for signing loads of stuff after the gig,
including a drumstick, and my girlfriend Chloe's muppet - "ANIMAL Drummer" T-shirt which he had us wave to the crowd during the drum solo - great reaction.
That's all for now... looking forward to the show tonight, - my ears hurt!
Adrian
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:19:52 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 'Script For Mike Bhar's Tear'
Message-ID: <353202E7.33F711F9@sydney.net>
I deleted by mistake Mike's reply to the recent torrid of
sentiment waged against him, but here goes a few things
that come to mind.
I don't think most ppl on the jam want you to go
elsewhere or words to that effect.
What we as customers want is service and quality
product and this as I see it is not happening at
the moment. $40 for you new DT boot, when Bogie
is offering his for $25 ?
Months of waiting for a CD ?
C'mon if you order a custom made lounge suite
it dosen't take as long as some have waited for
a solitary CD.
If you were running a legitimate business you would
not have one right now, would you ?
Peolpe would take there business elsewhere, but
because of the nature of bootlegging, your customer's
have no place to compalin to, except you.
If you had some serious competetion you'd have to
lift your game, as there is none, is like it or
lump it, isn't it ?
So basically Mike, you call the shots and are in a position
of 'power' of these people who send you there hard
earned cash and wait patiently for a CD.
graham
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:52:47 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3736
Message-ID: <35320A9F.2BFB@goodnet.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Yes I noticed and made me wonder how low will this
> guy go to make a buck.
How LOW???! Point of order: those laserdiscs are horribly out of print,
have only been available as imports (and only intermittently) and all
the other bootlegs of them that are going around SUCK. I had been
getting a nonstop flood of requests for boot CDs of these, but I didn't
have time to bother with them, so I turned them over to some friends of
mine who DID have the time. Good luck buying the Exit laser for less
than $100; the p/g laser for less than $50; the ASOH purple-label laser
WITH lock and key on it AT ALL (it's by far the rarer variant). I bought
mine years and years ago; I shudder to think how tough it would be to
get them today.
> Read it yourself:
> Rush 'Grace Under Pressure Tour' Laserdisc
> http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/c199805.html
>
> Rush 'Exit Stage Left' Laserdisc
> http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/c199804.html
>
> Rush 'A Show Of Hands' Laserdisc
> http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/c199806.html
>
> Though these seem not to be Prism releases Bahr
> is still offering these boots through his page.
>
> This is cleary WRONG, putting out boot
> of commercially available Laserdiscs is just
> wrong, no if, buts or maybe's
They may be commercially available where you live, but they definitely
are not here. The only Rush laser still actively shipping to American
distributors is Chronicles. The day that Rush/Mercury/Pioneer does a
re-release of any of these, or releases a DVD of them, I will
immediately stop offering these Crystalline boot discs. Until then, it's
no different than any of the boots that are about b-sides and radio
shows, and that's the majority of all boot silvers, and I don't hear
anyone bitching about La Villa Strangiato, Tori Stories, Mind Control,
or Lost in the Sky. For that matter, I don't recall anyone complaining
about boots like Currently in Vogue, First Vision Under Pressure,
Careful with that Axe Alex, Red Stars of the Solar Federation, Red
Barchetta, etc., and those are BADLY made boot CDs of the videos! One
would think that *perfect* conversions of the lasers to boot CD would
therefore be applauded, not derided. Just my observation.
You'll notice I don't offer the Italian boot "Images & Tour" because
it's a copy of the Live in Tokyo DT video, which IS still available. I
want people to buy the original video, not a boot CD of it, because it
helps the band. But if there was no way to ever get Live in Tokyo in
stores, I would offer copies of that boot CD.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Strapping Young Lad Message-ID: <v01520d02b1577d2a8b16@[207.90.119.38]>
>Strapping Young Lad is fucking *sick*!! Kind of a cool, industrial >Fear Factory vibe going on there (actually, I almost consider them >a FF clone - but DT's voice is 10^10X better than BCB's). Devin >Townsend is a fucking monster on this one . . . the only Devin I'd >heard before this was on Vai's "Sex and Religion", so I didn't know >what to expect. Big difference. Much brutality. I like. :) My >early favorite is "429".
hmm... the CD might be alright, but SYL was quite EASILY the WORST band I'd EVER seen live. They opened up for Testament, along with Victum, Stuck Mojo, and some other band. Stuck Mojo was cool. Victum was a local, but not bad. And SYL was horrible. They were utter jerks, and quite plainly...annoying. It seemed like the whole time the lead guy was telling us to "fuck off," and asking/telling us to tell him/them to "fuck off." It was really stupid and a waste of time.
Their sound was alright untiul I heard their singer. Kinda glammy. Their drummer was insane. Oh well, I'm glad something found something about them that they liked... I didn't find much.
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com "The farmers in the Annapolis Valley are pleased to announce that this year there will be an abundance of apples. This is particularly good news because most of the farmers haven't had a good crap in years." -Maryland TV Broadcaster ---+ +---
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:51:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT @ Cincy / Galactic Cowboys (unrelated) Message-ID: <v01520d03b1577e70d786@[207.90.119.38]>
Dale Newberry: >Why not do both? I'd be up for that. And I think Chicago's a bit >closer to St. Louis, but it's not a huge difference. Just in a >different direction.
i guess it's a big difference for me.. 1 hour vs. 6 hrs... :)
>That reminds me. I really need to get back on >the Galactic Cowboys digest.
there's not much going on with it now. about one digest a month... kirsten is going to be at the cincy show, i believe.
GC is in the studio, though. drums are laid down, and Monty recently went down to Houston to put down his bass tracks. they're playing Cornerstone this year (which you might already know). and then they plan on touring for their album in the fall.
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com "The farmers in the Annapolis Valley are pleased to announce that this year there will be an abundance of apples. This is particularly good news because most of the farmers haven't had a good crap in years." -Maryland TV Broadcaster ---+ +---
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:44:02 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bahr Wars Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE50CAED0@HAMSXHA2>
Haven't we all gone through this before? Cut Mike some slack, guys - he didn't even say anything and everyone's tearing into him.
Nicholas Giannotti "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:09:39 -0400 From: "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Any Questions For Iron Maiden? Message-ID: <008301bd66e5$cd2c0500$17c229cf@default>
I will be doing an interview with Iron Maiden vocalist Blaze Bayley tomorrow (Tuesday, April 14th). If anyone would like to suggest a question or two, feel free to submit them by e-mail. I'll do my best to work them all in.
Matt Heavy Metal at The Mining Co. http://heavymetal.miningco.com heavymetal.guide@miningco.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:10:30 +0700 From: kiki@biosys.net To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: la femme DT-ers Message-ID: <35321CCD.72B7@biosys.net>
Just wondering, spontaneously, are there many ladies who join this jammers?
eroto-K i k i-mania
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:51:00 -0400 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bahr Wars Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980413105100.007ca100@mindspring.com>
Merlo said:
>sure everything is right. I really don't know. But as nice and friendly as >Mike Bahr the person is, Mike Bahr the businessman has lost my business. What >remains to be seen is what he will do to earn our business back.
Well put. This is, to the letter, what I was talking about when I posted that first message. One of the biggest reasons it took me over a year to start taking this to a public forum is that when Mike DID reply (albeit this was rare), he seemed so genuinely sorry for all the delays and hiccups that I really didn't want to hurt his business at all. Now, whether those niceties in his messages were real or whether they were just trying to get me off his back doesn't really matter. At this point I have no motivation left to try and do this as quietly as possible. I very honestly do hate doing this kind of stuff, which is why I warned Mike multiple times that I WOULD do it. I just really don't see why he hasn't replied to me or any of the concerns posted here... <shrug> Take care...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:02:29 CST From: "JEFFREY T CLINE" <JCLINE@toltec.astate.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <5B8DCFF7539@TOLTEC.astate.edu>
With the recent release of Savatage's new record there is a lot of talk surrounding the band. For me this is a band that I will always buy thier albums and after listening to it say "Man they are almost an awesome band." While I must admit they are great songwriters and their albums always have great guitar playing, their rythm section leaves something to be desired. I am a bass player and when I buy an album from a progressive band I expect the bass playing and drumming to be above average. I think it's safe to say that most bass players and especialy drummers would agree that Savatage could use improvement in this area. At least on this album their drummer uses real drums. In the past when they had Dr. Killdrums at the helm they used triggers which sounded so cheesy. I can tolerate triggered drums, bands like Rush, VH, and Megadeth have used them, but the sounds they used in the past with regard to the drums was very annoying for me. In my opinion the best album they did was Edge of Thorns which was free from Jon Oliva's control. He is another reason that I mark them as an almost awesome band. The parts that he has sung on on the past two albums have been the weakest parts. All of this is of course my opinion and subject to flaming if someone so desires. Jeff Cline jcline@toltec.astate.edu www.immortalsoul.com _________________ / | / | /______|_______ | / | / ________|_/______
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:32:34 -0500 From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com> To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mike, dont go Message-ID: <35323012.EA6CBDA8@ix.netcom.com>
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> Ah well. What say ye all? If you tell me to pack up my bags and go > away, I'll do it. It's your call. If I'm not welcome here anymore, I > will leave. Enough of this. It would be the height of irony that I leave > NOW, just as things are beginning to go right for a change, but I will > accept the plurality decision on the matter. > Mike, there is no reason to leave the jam. I personally have not ordered anything from you yet, but I was planning on it in the future. You should not worry about what some people say, and just go ahead and do your thing. I bet you that people will continue to order from you anyway, so thats how youll know that you are still welcome here.
Lord Mutilo jsj@ix.netcom.com
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<HTML> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE></PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> Ah well. What say ye all? If you tell me to pack up my bags and go away, I'll do it. It's your call. If I'm not welcome here anymore, I will leave. Enough of this. It would be the height of irony that I leave NOW, just as things are beginning to go right for a change, but I will accept the plurality decision on the matter.</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Mike, there is no reason to leave the jam. I personally have not ordered anything from you yet, but I was planning on it in the future. You should not worry about what some people say, and just go ahead and do your thing. I bet you that people will continue to order from you anyway, so thats how youll know that you are still welcome here. <BR>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:36:31 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ooh Eee Ooh Ah Ah. Message-ID: <199804131532.KAA28913@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> YOU CAN'T GET THE MATERIAL HE'S GIVING US ANYWHERE ELSE.
How do you figure?
> There are people who are willing to wait. If you wish not to patrionize > Prism, so be it. But lets not kick him while he's temporarly down, now
How long is temporary?
> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> > Chris, let me preface this reply by saying that nearly all your > information is inaccurate, so nearly all your conclusions are invalid, > and what you've done here is nothing more than a common mud-slinging > slander.
This is always the response. ALWAYS.
> And you call ME a backstabber, you untrustworthy fellow! I thought we > had an agreement... I don't post about Prism on the Jam, and you won't > either. I didn't (well, until today). You did anyway. Thanks a fuckin > lot. Last time I bother trusting YOU with anything.
I don't remember calling you a backstabber. But anyways, I suppose I let my emotions run rampant, as I usually do. I guess I should just counter with the fact that if your ethos can change so significantly, and you can go from bootlegs only, to making that step into copies of commercially available stuff, then I don't have any reason to acknowledge making a deal. That's not a deal I'd ever make. And it's not as though this is out of the blue. It's a topic, so I chimed in. Deal. It's all these baby steps in the direction of pure slime. I'm sorry, but when I see multiple people having the same complaints about you, and you always promising to rectify the situation, while only getting FURTHER behind, I have to think you don't care. I have one fucked up, ridiculously late trade (we're talking Bahr-late, here) and I am ashamed for it... but my response is to cease all trading until I can get this done. And this trade was a simple videos for videos deal. I think it's disgusting, and I can't help but to have a reaction.
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! "The Dude Abides."
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:46:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mike "sonny" bahr Message-ID: <199804131545.LAA25608@bertelsmanncis.com>
from... well, who else: > Ah well. What say ye all? If you tell me to pack up my bags and go >away, I'll do it. It's your call. If I'm not welcome here anymore, I >will leave. Enough of this. It would be the height of irony that I leave >NOW, just as things are beginning to go right for a change, but I will >accept the plurality decision on the matter.
wow... my girfriend is all excited that sonny is coming back to reprise his role on general hospital, and now i get this! if my say mattered at all, i'd say stick around. i enjoy seeing a new batch of people every few months or so getting steamed with your laughable service--it's like the ytse-soap opera.
this is real people, though, right? maybe it's a shame that it's come to this, that something you love so much could get so twisted and convoluted, now you feel alienated from that very community. i also found that bit about your blacklisting from the cd community enlightening. is this really worth it? blacklisted there, despised by so many here? especially when everyone seems to have not a problem in the world with you as a guy. look, you're a bright guy, and you've got a head for business. why don't you just get a real job and put an end to all this? take a good look--it's not worth it anymore. it can't be.
--MATt
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: I guess I'm not welcome here? Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980413115420.62168D-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 Michael Bahr wrote:
*snip*-page after page of worthless crap and excuses
Translation: "Please, PLEASE keep sending me money! Even though about a million people in here have posted complaints about me, they're all wrong! None of them know what they're talking about! They're all backstabbers! I SWEAR from now on there will be NO waits over 14 years for orders! I promise this on my good name!!!!!!!"
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Savatage--The Wake of Magellan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words ktulu@arches.uga.edu Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into Infinity." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:03:51 EDT From: AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Joey Tafolla Message-ID: <83f05ee7.35323768@aol.com>
Greetings, Jammers of the world...
In YTSEJAM Digest #3735, "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br> writes:
<< Can anyone tell me anything about Joey Taffola? I've just heard one of his CD's, Infra Blue, and thought it was great! >>
Well, if you enjoyed "Infra-Blue," which was Mr. Tafolla's *second* solo release on Shrapnel, you'll love "Out of the Sun," his *first* Shrapnel release, which features solos on four tracks from Paul Gilbert, plus outstanding work on all tracks from Tony MacAlpine on keyboards, the late Wally Voss on bass, and Reynold Carlson on drums and percussion. His latest work is found on "The Fourth Judgment," the new album by 80s progressive power metal pioneers Jag Panzer, out now on the Century Media label and available at Tower Records. His playing on this album is simply phenomenal, IMO, possibly the best of his career. In fact, it's so good that it makes me wish the album were longer! <g>
Hope this helps...take care, fellow Jammer-type people...
-- Jeff :^)
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