YTSEJAM Digest 3742
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Found a RUSH Boot, need help on quality (NDTC)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) LTE II
by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
3) Re: Questions / Primus question (NDTC, NMBC)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) Re: A conclusion to this thread.
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Review of Welington Van Halen concert (fwd)
by skooc@earthlink.net
6) Van Halen tour setlist (fwd)
by skooc@earthlink.net
7) Supporting Bands?????
by GnRBrks <GnRBrks@aol.com>
8) <Theiban@aol.com>
by robgaul@juno.com (rob w gaul)
9) Re: ya know....
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
10) APSOG VIII
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
11) re: Billy Cobham
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
12) re: Joe Satriani show in ST Louis (Warning: NMBC)
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
13) Question for Mike.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
14) re: Billy Cobham
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
15) Fates show postmortem.
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Prog-Net survey results
by Chris Dixon <cdixon@isminternet.com>
17) DT at the Vic with ??
by "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
18) Huh?
by AL <al@isd.net>
19) In Defence of Mike Bahr
by karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:16:16 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Found a RUSH Boot, need help on quality (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199804140216.WAA13998@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Jeff E. queried:
> A week ago I saw a RUSH bootleg at a local music store. Judging by the
> track-listing, it's a Roll The Bones bootleg. The title of it escapes
I'll stop you right there. It is virtually impossible to find a great RTB
boot. (I would have once said that great CP boots are harder to come by, but
Critical Mass is worth the bucks.) I have (a copy of) one that's pretty good
(and I mean quality-wise, not track-listing-wise, cause Rush like never
changes their set list :), but I would hesitate to call it anything better
than pretty good.
The bottom line, of course, is listen before you buy. If the dealer won't let
you, then don't buy a damned thing from them ever again.
Oh, and let us know, if you get it, if it's better than "pretty good."
-d
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http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:21:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LTE II
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980413211659.207408A-100000@yellow.weeg.uiowa.edu>
>Call it: Hard 8, toss a pair of dice on the cover, with their faces in
>place of the dots.
>Add Emerson on Keys, Sheehan on Bass, Morgenstein on Drums, Nuno on
>Guitar. Two of each :)
A decent lineup, but I'd give anything to hear Mike and Castronovo
try to outdo each other in songs. That combo might cause a few heads to
explode.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:21:54 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Questions / Primus question (NDTC, NMBC)
Message-ID: <199804140221.WAA14040@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Thorin wanted to know:
> I have a question for all the musicians on the JAM. Does any musician ever
> become satisfied with the way they play?
Personally, if I ever become satisfied with the way I play, I'll stop playing.
Every time I pick up the bass (or guitar, or whatever), I try to do something
I couldn't do last time. That's what makes it fun for me. If I ever get to
the point where I'm not getting better, then playing will get really boring
really fast. That's when it's time to discover some new music, and figure out
how to do what those people are doing.
And on that topic, I have a question of my own. Do any of you bassists here
know how to play Primus' "Tommy The Cat"? If so, let me know. I'm just
wondering what sort of techniques (and how many strings) you have to use to do
that sick shit that Les does. I mean, it simply doesn't sound possible to do!
:)
As the great general Ptacek once said,
"Go Home And Practice!"
-d
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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"The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:24:38 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A conclusion to this thread.
Message-ID: <199804140224.WAA14063@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Mike's final response was:
> So now I'm going to do what nobody on the Jam probably expects: I'm
> going to make Prism better than it was in the early days.
My hat is off to you. This is what I've been hoping to see for a long time.
And I do truly hope that you succeed on this mission.
Good luck, Mike. I, for one, shall be silenced for a while.
-d
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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"The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Review of Welington Van Halen concert (fwd)
Message-ID: <199804140234.TAA07024@germany.it.earthlink.net>
For those of us Jammers who like Van Halen too.
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:23:52
>Reply-To: vanhalen@sonic.net
>To: vanhalen@sonic.net
>Subject: Review of Welington in the local paper
>
>New Zealand Evening Post. Saturday, April 11, 1998.
>
>Rock's brute-force virtuosos by Stefan Herrick
>
>First concert of a world tour. First concert with a new singer. First time
>in New Zealand. First airing of new songs.
>
>First question: Could Van Halen pull it off?
>
>The near-sellout crowd at last night's Queen's Wharf Events Centre concert
>seemed to think so. Here was a trailblazing supergroup that hit it's peak
>nearly 20 years ago but still managed to set the place on fire. While the
>music they helped invent might have slipped out of style, Van Halen clearly
>hasn't. Originals never do.
>
>Many last night would have gone along to behold master axe-man Edward Van
>Halen, whose right-hand fret-tapping technique, classical overtones and
>brutal use of vibrato were the blueprint for rock guitar through the
>big-haired 80's.
>
>Eddie was the smiley guy with the wild lead breaks that defied gravity. The
>sounds he squeezed from his guitar hardly seemed possible with 10 fingers
>and just one instrument, and last night he showed he still had the ability
>to come up with something new, something baffling and something amazing.
>
>While he dropped his most innovative solo into the middle of Year To The
>Day, there were plenty of classic Van Halen chops, too, done to death by
>other people, but never done as well as Eddie does them.
>
>New Singer Gary Cherone - formerly of Extreme - wasn't at all like his
>rug-chested predecessors David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar. Dressed in a disco
>bodyshirt and polyester flares, he looked like he'd stepped out of Saturday
>Night Fever. But he was a welcome change, a camp, skinny showman, a stylish
>operator with a voice that could peel paint and whose delivery left no room
>for argument.
>
>Burly Michael Anthony (the All Blacks jersey went down well) on bass and
>Alex Van Halen on drums showed they were still a rhythm section to be
>reckoned, mixing rough-and-tumble with effortless virtuosity.
>
>The set list was much as you'd expect from a band with new product on the
>shelves. Roughly a third of the songs were from the latest album Van Halen
>III, a third from the synthy Hagar era and the rest from the Grand Old Age
>of Roth.
>
>The new songs, sometimes untidy on the record, came across much better
>live, but the biggest crowd-pleasers were the anthems that fueled a
>mid-weight metal revolution; Panama, Why Can't This Be Love? and Jump.
>
>During their week in Wellington, Van Halen earned a reputation for being
>good guys who didn't flee their followers and hide in hotels. Last night -
>big, bloated and brilliant as it was - was the cream on the cake. Be nice
>to your fans and put on a good show is a good formula for survival. Oasis
>ought to take note.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Van Halen tour setlist (fwd)
Message-ID: <199804140240.TAA12296@germany.it.earthlink.net>
This is the setlist from night #2 of the down under tour. VH is famous
for changing the setlist by two or three songs every night, so if you
are going to any of the shows the set could be different. This just
gives an idea of what to expect. Only one month till they hit the States!!
Scott
Unchained
Without You
One I Want
Mean Street
When It's Love
Fire In the Hole
Why Can't This Be Love
I'm The One
Alex Solo
Dreams
Dirty Water Dog
Humans Being
Somebody Get Me A Doctor
Year To The Day
Ed Solo
Right Now
Ain't Talkin' Bout Love
Encore:
Josephina
Panama
Jump
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:39:50 EDT
From: GnRBrks <GnRBrks@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Supporting Bands?????
Message-ID: <a45a622d.3532cc78@aol.com>
Mr.Portnoy,
Do you know who DT will be touring with in the US during May?
Glen
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:49:25 -0400
From: robgaul@juno.com (rob w gaul)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: <Theiban@aol.com>
Message-ID: <19980413.224927.13390.0.ROBGAUL@juno.com>
ROFLMAO *chocking on pop laughing soo hard* ok seriouse now.. ahem.
*chuckling* LAUGHIN AGAIN>> sorry AAAAAHHHEEEEEMMM
glad u made that point clear hehe.. as far as women jammers. id love to
see the lurkers come out and say hi *S* cuz honestly i know there out
there. but in real life i dont see too many women who even KNOW who DT
is.. course i dont date much so that might account for it HAHAHAHA
The only "good" music I've gotten from MTV in the past
four years was Trans-Siberian Orchestra
MTV PLAYED TSO? HOLY SHIT!!!!!! all i see is pearl jam and nirvana or
RAP CRAP ack!!!!!!!!!
>Rocky
>(not a homosexual jammer)
>(just had to keep that clear) =]
The only Eunuch on our list... ;)
ROFLMAO OH GOD NOT AGAIN HAHAHAHAHA
Rick from Ocean Seven commented that their cover of "I Don't
Believe in Love" sounded like it was sung by Grover from Seasame Street.
what is this a joke list now? hahahahaha
robgaul
carpe diem
look to today to get the answers for tomorow..
dont live in the past or youll never live in the present or have a
future..
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:12:20 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ya know....
Message-ID: <1748ba58.3532d417@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-13 22:55:37 EDT, you write:
<< It's a sad day on the Jam when Mike Bahr is talked about more than Mike
Portnoy! Can we bring back the days of DTC and not MBC???? >>
hell, i must actually say i agree with her..
Rocky
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:19:11 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: APSOG VIII
Message-ID: <12649f29.3532d5b1@aol.com>
anyone know what he's doing on keys at the very beginning? the notes that
is... for some reason i cant figure that part out.
the Rock
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:24:33 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Billy Cobham
Message-ID: <823d08e8.3532d6f3@aol.com>
Good choice! Great album. And you can't forget the stellar guitar work of
Tommy Bolin! One of my biggest influences. If he hadn't died, he would have
been the next Hendrix!!
---- Art
www.joestump.com
<<<A friend lent me a CD, "Spectrum" by a guy named Billy Cobham. I had no
idea what to expect, but was pretty easily blown away by the end of it. I
reckon it to a Mahavishu-esque sound. Fusion maybe? Did a bit o' research
and found out the reason it resembles Mahavishnu Orchestra *probably*
stemmed from him being in the band! Anyhow, anybody that likes MO should
*definitely* check out this album. Intense drumming and an overall
instruemtnal 'tightness'. The bassist is an animal (and has appeared on
more albums than even Tony Levin...well, maybe not that many).>>>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:27:03 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Joe Satriani show in ST Louis (Warning: NMBC)
Message-ID: <80972925.3532d789@aol.com>
<<<(Warning: NMBC)>>>
LOL! That was good! Took me a sec to figure it out!
Art
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Question for Mike.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980413204137.22921A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Yo Portmeister,
If you get around to it, could you tell us what you and the guys
auditioned with to get into Berklee? Just curious. Also, what was the
first song you guys jammed over? I know I know. Busy busy busy. Be
well.
Matt B
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"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes;
not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:48:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Billy Cobham
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980413224424.29818A-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Since some of you ytsedrummers regard Billy Cobham as a more than
excellent drummer, i have something that might interests you:
I m selling the "Birds of Fire" Mahavishnu Orchestra cd, since i dont
hear it that much. Too weird and uncomprehensible for me.
Its in mint condition.
Contact me if interested.
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:14:21 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: fates@tier.net, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates show postmortem.
Message-ID: <199804140414.VAA06660@gms.gmsnet.com>
Actually, to point out one difference...
Friday they played Point of View, and Saturday, they did not...
The sound system at the Whisky with the AMEC board was just incredible.
Hopefully I'll get some sound clips up of Prototype with drummer Pat
McGrath, the guy is just monstrous.
Also, I'll put up some live clips of Ocean Seven with singer Mike Grant, he
is one powerful singer.
Vendetta is an interesting prog-rock band, I didn't actually get there in
time to see them live, but I heard them when I was hanging out outside the
club, a lot of Persian influence...
It was good too see all the jammers and others down here in Hollywood!!!
Rick Audet, Ryan Webb, Pam, Scott, Neal, Nate, Kizer, etc, etc...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:33:33 -0400 From: Chris Dixon <cdixon@isminternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog-Net survey results Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980414003333.0072f538@mail.isminternet.com>
The first Prog-Net survey has ended and the results are in for Best Prog CD of All Time. Please visit the site to view the final numbers:
http://www.isminternet.com/prognet/
DT did very well! The number one album is by DT, and they finished second for total votes by band. All the details are on the web site.
Thanks to all who participated!
Chris cdixon@isminternet.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:00:34 -0500 From: "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT at the Vic with ?? Message-ID: <199804140454.XAA20544@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hey all- Long time, no type. Wie geht's? I was just wondering....rather than wading through countless jams to probably find no info....I'll ask right here and now....who is Dream Theater going to be playing with at the Vic? Should someone recruit Tiles from Detroit? Anyone know of anything? ____________________________________________________________________ " I must have waited all my life for this moment..." - Yes, "The Revealing Science of God" Tales from Topographic Oceans ____________________________________________________________________ Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director Host of Strong Progress, Thursdays from 2pm till 4pm Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 Office Hours: Wed 10-11, Thurs 12-1, various other times... "The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://msr.wisc.edu ____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:33:48 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Huh? Message-ID: <3533034C.5356E8E0@isd.net>
Is this the Bahr exam? This is getting a little old, 5 jams a day on the same worn out topic.
-- See ya, AL...
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:58:16 +0200 From: karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl> To: DT mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: In Defence of Mike Bahr Message-ID: <35320BE8.6886@wxs.nl>
I would just like to balance all the stuff I've recently read about Mike Bahr by expressing some positive things.
I've bought every single Mike Bahr DT and Rush CD after "Subconscious" (representing about US$ 375). He has, without exception, managed to deliver. And, believe me, there have been difficulties. Mail to the Netherlands seems pretty unreliable at times (I am not the only Dutch customer he has, and a few of them have suffered from that), but he invariably delivers. He has my complete trust. Granted, he can be slow - sometimes caused by having to resend stuff - but it's the sign of an immature mind if you can't wait a couple of months for your stuff. As long as it gets to my doorstep eventually, it's fine with me. It seems like a few people have reasons to complain what with delivery times becoming unacceptably high, but I believe Mike when he says that he'll manage to get rid of the backlog in 5 to 6 weeks. Three times I have had to send back the CDs because something appeared to have gone wrong with the reproduction process, and he's always replaced them free of charge (and within a month or two at that :-).
Maybe some people ought to realise that nobody is forcing anyone to buy Mike's stuff. What he does is not exactly on the right side of the law, and I think we ought to be grateful for the fact that he sticks his neck out the way he does. If he makes a buck (or even quite a few) in the process, especially all you Americans (free enterprise and all that) should understand and accept that. I don't mind, anyway. And the stuff someone said about the laserdiscs...I am sure the laserdiscs are no longer available or something, because I don't think Mike would not hurt DT with his material.
Bootlegs never hurt any band unless the bootlegs were actually pirate copies of regularly available commercial releases. I don't know a single fan who would refrain from buying "Awake" on account of him/her already having all Prism Records boots.
This message has been going on for too long, but not half as much too long as those unnecessary Mike Bahr debates that seem to pop up every six months or so. I myself am surprised Mike still makes CDs at all - which is, after all, a service to those too lazy or too untalented to gather the boot stuff themselved (for example *me*). -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers & Karin Kessels karies@wxs.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ & Atari ST Emulation FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ \--------------------------------------------------------------/
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