YTSEJAM Digest 3739
Today's Topics:
1) Re: GC
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
2) Re: Bahr
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
3) BG
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
4) Various/NDTC
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
5) concerts
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
6) I wonder...
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
7) new pages
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
8) Re: concerts
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
9) Tori Amos
by "McClure Engineering" <mcclure@magiclink.com>
10) OAN: boot update
by OAN RECORDS <provibe@club-internet.fr>
11) Bahr, new fans, LTE
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
12) Re: Tori
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
13) this is all I have to say...
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
14) Estrada, LTE, Bahr
by Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
15) Yes. Mike Bahr.
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:10:43 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: GC
Message-ID: <199804131809.LAA07173@odin.ax.com>
> GC is in the studio, though. drums are laid down, and Monty recently
> went down to Houston to put down his bass tracks. they're playing
> Cornerstone this year (which you might already know). and then they
> plan on touring for their album in the fall.
Yes, yes, yes, and that kicks so much ass. I mean, Galactic Cowboys,
Saviour Machine, Tourniquet, not to mention some other non-metal
bands I really dig that are coming back (i.e. Scatered Few). Man,
it's gonna be a good fest this year.
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"As miserable as life is, I hold it pretty
precious." -Henry Rollins
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:16:01 -0400
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bahr
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980413141601.007fb2b0@mindspring.com>
>this is real people, though, right? maybe it's a shame that it's come
>to this, that something you love so much could get so twisted and
>convoluted, now you feel alienated from that very community. i also
>found that bit about your blacklisting from the cd community
>enlightening. is this really worth it? blacklisted there, despised by
>so many here? especially when everyone seems to have not a problem in
>the world with you as a guy. look, you're a bright guy, and you've got
>a head for business. why don't you just get a real job and put an end
>to all this? take a good look--it's not worth it anymore. it can't be.
Hrmph. This is the one thing I wanted to avoid with my original post. I
have no desire to kill the man's livlihood <sp?>. Though I definitely
agree that Mike needs some major changes (the most obvious being stopping
release/production of new material until the insane backlog gets cleared
up), I'm not suggesting he pack it up and quit. For alot of people, mostly
those who don't have the time/money/inclination/knowledge to do real tape
trading, Bahr's CDs are a godsend. They're relatively high quality and are
on the preferred media for most. I'd have no problem ordering from Mike in
the future if he could somehow prove he's trustworthy and has got his act
together. When I see that I can order a new release from him and get it in
6-8 weeks without question I'll have no problem giving him my money. We'll
have to see, I don't think that's going to be anytime soon...
__________________________________________________
Adam Pye
alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html
^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:07:51 -0400
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BG
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980413140741.007154cc@maila.wm.edu>
>> I heard a lot about Blind Guardian in the jam, and after the Savatage
show a girl I was talking to said how cool they were (talking about
their show here in August, I think), and I was really curious about
them.
I got some .ra's and a .mp3 on the net, and man, I can't say how
disapointed I was... The music is kinda cool, but the vocals... >>
Well, which samples do you have? I got mp3s of the Mirror, Nightfall, and
The Curse of Feanor, and they've all worked out. In fact, I was just
thinking the other day how cool the vocals were... I think it's awesome how
the guys can harmonize like that. But I dunno. It's a taste thing.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:35:30 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Various/NDTC
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE51191DD@HAMSXHA2>
Kevin Rackley wrote,
>> Nick wrote:
>> Haven't we all gone through this before? Cut Mike some slack, guys -
he
>> didn't even say anything and everyone's tearing into him.
>
>Hey Nick, that reminds me, I sent my money order for your CD three days
>ago. I'm tired of waiting, dammit, where's my CD :o)
Um... dude? Wrong Nick. There are two of us on the 'Jam (and we both
live in MA); Nick a.k.a. Bogie (the one who has the CD) and me, Nick
a.k.a. Nick.
:)
I'd also like to clarify that statement that I made. It just looked to
me that everyone was tearing into Mike unjustly - and I knew that it was
going to turn into the same song and dance that most of us have heard
here before. Ok, the new Jammers haven't. But maybe this should be put
in the FAQ or on the Bad Trader's list, if people think that strongly
about it. Does it have to keep coming up here on the Jam?
Just my two cents worth.
Then, Thorin wrote,
>I have a question for all the musicians on the JAM. Does any musician
ever
>become satisfied with the way they play?
I will *never* be satisfied with the way that I play. That's why I
practice. I think that's why MOST people practice (or, at least, part of
the reason most people practice) - to maintain a level of playing
ability, and to then build upon that level to move on to ANOTHER level.
And one more thing: one of the Boston Jammers called my house Saturday
looking for a couple of people. Who was that? :)
Nicholas Giannotti
"Those who believe that history repeats itself are doomed to make the
same mistakes."
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:20:44 -0400
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: concerts
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980413142043.0070e1bc@maila.wm.edu>
Kez suggested:
>
><< Alex (the chick, heehee, who's considering jetting home for a DT show
> between exams....) >>
>
>Attention Alex and D-man,
>
>If you can get to Northern Virginia, I'll drive the rest of the way to
>Baltimore on May 5th. Daytona's is a small, but cool place. We gotta go.
>
>Hoping for confirmations,
>Kez
Unfortunately, May 5th is a VERY VERY bad day for me to be jetting off
anywhere. Traveling extended distances is out of the question, as I have
an 8:30 exam on the 6th. It just won't work out. Dammit, exams are such
concert killers. I have to see if a friend of mine who goes to school in
Philly would be interested in going to that show. That and the NY show MAY
be possibilities for me. HOwever, all this very likely to change....me and
money man, we're not very well acquainted....
Okay, and a question that points me out as an ignoramus: where's the Jaxx at?
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:38:14 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I wonder...
Message-ID: <01IVTOBFA7MQ00141V@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 13-APR-1998 14:31:25
>If you have backlogs, fine. Take care of them *before* taking in any new
>orders. Send payments back where they come from with a form letter stating
>that you aren't accepting any more orders until the backlog is caught up.
This is total speculation, and I hope mike will correct me if I'm wrong.
Is it possible that he *can't* stop taking new orders, because he needs the
capital from today's check to ship out last year's orders? He said the
business was fucked up and he was pulling himself out. I suspect that he
is slowly catching up, using part of every day's income for that day's
orders, and most of it for previous backlogs. If that's the case, then
if he stops taking orders he stops shipping out what he already owes and
everyone loses. But by resolving the problem this way, he's creating a
*new* backlog as he fixes the old one. If the new backlog is created
slower than the old one is erased, then eventually all will be well. If
not, he's going down.
And that's my incredibly ignorant take. I've been hanging around business
majors for too long.
josh
............................................................
Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:51:09 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new pages
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980413145109.0069faa0@scott.skidmore.edu>
Okay everyone, my new Dream Theater pages are finally up! The features
are pretty much standard, but also include nifty gr4f1><, a JP shrine, and
some DT wallpaper.
You can access the site at http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/dt.html
Feedback is always welcome--criticism, suggestions...?
Thanks! :}
Erica
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Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu
Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112
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http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/
Check here for the mp3 of the week!
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:51:50 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: concerts
Message-ID: <199804131851.OAA31376@saranac.cs.wm.edu>
Alex The Chick asked:
> Okay, and a question that points me out as an ignoramus: where's the Jaxx at?
It's in Northern VA (just outside DC). There's hope for us yet. :) BTW, the
rumor mill is located at http://www.jaxxroxx.com.
-d
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:08 -0600
From: "McClure Engineering" <mcclure@magiclink.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tori Amos
Message-ID: <01bd6711$0852f000$43f086cc@washburn>
Hey, all.
In case this wasn't already mentioned, there will be a chat with Tori Amos
about "From the Choirgirl Hotel" on Yahoo tonight at 7pm ET. I figured some
of you TA fans might want to know.
Yeah, I know, Yahoo Chat. :P
--KorgX3
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:56:51 +0200
From: OAN RECORDS <provibe@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OAN: boot update
Message-ID: <33513A83.2083@club-internet.fr>
> Hello fellow jammers,
>=20
> With all this Bahr-talk out there, I keep on thinking about the damage
> this could do to all other bootlegers out there (like myself for
> example). If there is someone out there who gives us a bad name, then
> this issue should be resolved as fast as possible and once and for all.
> In fact, we all stand to loose from the drawn-out wars on the list. So
> my suggestion is: let's close the topic. If you don't like Mike's
> service (and personally I think a turnaround of more than 3 weeks is
> hugely unprofessional) than do not order any additional CDs from him.
> Simple as that. There is really no need in prolonging this discussion
> any longer.
>=20
> My advice to Mike is to stop releasing new CDs and deal with the
> backlog night and day on the First In First Out basis until its gone.
> Then everything will get back to normal. In future, however, it would
> seem that shorter runs may be a good idea to resolve the turnaround
> problem, or else you might consider bringing in a partner to help up
> with the volumes. It would definetely make everyone's life easier.
>=20
> OPEN ALL NIGHT stuff:
>=20
> In view of the current bootleg discussion on the list, I decided to pos=
t
> Open All Night's sales policy here. Checking us out might be a good ide=
a
> for those who are not into waiting for their CDs for too long.
> In fact, we are shipping a first batch of CDs tommorrow ( AND THAT IS
> WITH AN AVERAGE TURNAROUND OF 4 DAYS), so hopefully people will post
> their reviews by the end of this week. So there it goes (note: this is
> an extract from a general message we send to our customers):
>=20
> - Sales Policy:
>=20
> Please do not forget to indicate your customer ID (see below)
> along with your payment. This will help us keep our accounting and
> manufacturing organized. Also indicate the format you're interested in
> in case of multi-format releases.
> The CDs will be dispatched to you within 5-10 days of the
> payment receipt depending on the total number of orders outstanding.
> They will also be sent on the first-come-first-served basis. Please
> note that for our future limited edition numbered releases, the number
> of your CD will also be allocated on the FCFS basis i.e. if your
> payment comes in second, the number on your CD will be 002 and so on.
> Since the CDs will be sent by regular mail, we will thus replac=
e
> a missing CD once at no additional cost to you. However, every further
> CD that you purchase from us will cost more since we will automaticall=
y
> send it registered so as to avoid any future delivery problems.
> Any CD with manufacturing defects will have to be sent back to
> us and will be replaced at no additional cost to you.
> You will be notified by e-mail the moment your payment arrives=
,
> as well as when your CD is shipped. WE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE THAT YOU
> E-MAIL US WHEN YOU DISPATCH YOUR PAYMENT AND RECEIVE YOUR CD. PLEASE D=
O
> NOT FORGET; THIS IS CRUCIAL.
>=20
> Forthcoming recordings:
> - Dream Theater *2
> - Iron Maiden
> - Deep Purple
> - Angra
> - G3
> - Van Halen
> - Angra
> - Manowar
> - Helloween.
>=20
> And here is an extract from the original message we posted on the list
> lately:
>=20
> Since we are not familiar with you, we decided rather than putting out =
a
> complete show right away, to offer you instead a compilation CD with th=
e
> extracts of all of the shows currently available. This is primarily don=
e
> to introduce you to the quality of our production, as well as to give
> you a hint as to what types of bands really make us tick.
>=20
> Following are the details of our first project: =AB OPEN ALL NIGHT RECO=
RDS
> PRESENTS - INTO THE GREAT UNKNOWN =BB.
>=20
> 1. Dream Theater =AB Under a glass moon =BB
> 2. Dream Theater =AB Peruvian skies =BB
> Above tracks recorded live at Bataclan, Paris, France on February
> 24, 1998
> 3. Megadeth =AB Angry again =BB
> 4. Megadeth =AB Mechanix =BB
> Trax 3&4 recorded live at le Zenith, Paris on October 24, 1997
> 5. Savatage =AB The wake of Magellan =BB
> 6. Savatage =AB Dead winter dead =BB
> Trax 5&6 recorded live at la Locomotive, Paris on November 12, 1997
> 7. Paradise Lost =AB Disappear =BB
> 8. Paradise Lost =AB Embers fire =BB
> Above tracks recorded live at la Cigalle, Paris on October 2, 1997
> 9. Vanden Plas =AB The Rainmaker =BB
> Recorded live at Bataclan, Paris on February 24, 1998
> 10. Vanden Plas =AB Father =BB (acoustic version)
> Recorded live at FNAC, Noisy-le-Grand, France on October 4, 1997
> 11. Gamma Ray =AB Valley of the kings =BB
> Recorded live at la Locomotive, Paris on October 8, 1997
> 12. Hammerfall =ABDragon lies bleeding =BB
> Recorded live at la Locomotive, Paris on October 8, 1997
> 13. Royal Hunt =ABStranded =BB (acoustic version)
> Recorded live at FNAC Montparnasse, Paris on September 8, 1997.
>=20
> This CD will be made available in two formats:
>=20
> - Format One will include complete full-color artwork, gloss paper,
> labelled CD etc. The price will be USD 9 ( Europe ) and USD 10 (for
> US, Canada and Japan). Residents of the rest of the world please
> contact us for more details on prices and shipment.
>=20
> - Format Two will include nothing but the generic CD-R with the
> recording and a printed out set-list. This would be handy if you are
> only interested in the recording itself. The price will be USD 5
> (Europe) and USD 6 ( Rest of the world).
>=20
> TAKE CARE AND WE COUNT ON HEARING FROM YOU ASAP,
> LET THE MUSIC DO THE TALKING,
> FELIX AND VOLODYA of OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS.
>=20
> P.S. Feel free to contact us at the following addresses:
> Volodya: provibe@club-internet.fr
> Felix: kingofswing@hol.fr.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:05:59 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr, new fans, LTE
Message-ID: <s5321bd6.074@IOMEGA.COM>
So, Bahr now is being roasted. Personally, I haven't had any of the
problems a HANDFUL of you are posting. I kinda think this is true for
most people who have dealt with him. I'm seeing this as a few
isolated events in the business. These things happen-I've been a
victim of this with alleged `real'businesses like BMG, AT&T, Chrysler
corp., the local power company, etc. Some of these have not offered
to fix their problem, but rather leave me hanging. Mike just needs to
fix these issues-the whole business isn't a shambles-yet. Enough on
this.
Time for a new thread: Most of us on here have been fans of OFB
for several years. What I'd like to know is how many of you never
heard of DT until FII? I mean, never heard anything before BMS. If
you exist, tell us what YOU think of the band. And, if you,ve gone
back and listened to older stuff because of FII, how do you think it
fits in with the rest of their stuff?
This should give some new insights on OFB, or something.
Noticed how a couple of jammers think LTE doesn't wear well
already. Not me, I'm still enjoying it daily. As far as a repeat of
it, I don't think the same spontaneity can be duplicated. However, I
would like to hear them when they have enough time to carefully plan
out the CD. I think there would be a great difference in direction.
Whether it be an improvement would be anybody's guess....
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 15:25:14 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tori
Message-ID: <353274a46943005@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of
<3.0.2.32.19980411223836.006a1e48@scott.skidmore.edu>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> >Hey, I was just wondering, being that there are more than a few Tori Amos
> >admirers out there, whether anyone knew of a mailing list similar to this
> >one for her...
Just remember before you get on a list that many (or most) of the people that
post to her lists and newsgroups are teenage girls with real problems who think
that Tori is some sort of God with a capital G. These sickos were pissed when
she got married because, God forbid, Tori was actually happy. Oh no! No more
tortured pathos in the lyrics....weird people.
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:54:54 -0400
From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: this is all I have to say...
Message-ID: <199804132100.RAA17613@mailnfs0.tiac.net>
Oy,
Okay, first of all many of you will remember me as one of three veteran
jammers (along with Brian Wherry and Chris Ptacek) who initially opposed
Bahr however long ago it was. We were extremely outnumbered but I feel I
made all my points back then and I don't wish to rehash them. That being
said there are a few things that I'd like to point out..
Big B said:
>. Right now I stand at around 5 to 6 weeks away from having every
> CD... EVERY CD... caught up, and to start to stockpile for the future.
> That's a 100% turnaround, pal.
If you think this is good business practice you're a complete idiot, "pal".
Many people haven't gotten their product for over a YEAR after you've
gotten their payment (payment that you've cashed a long time ago) and
you're proud to exclaim that you will have 100% tournaround after this time
AND another five to six weeks? You've been in business since 1994 and it's
taken you this long to catch up on previous orders from years ago and start
making new discs?
In my opinion the problem with your business starts with your policy of
customers purchasing disks before they're ever made. That way, in case
you're stabbed or your cd burner breaks or your wife leaves you or some
other shit the customer doesn't really care about (hey, you said it pal,
this is business and you're in it for the money and the customer just wants
his product, why should he care about your well-being?) you will still be
able to sell the discs that you've already made and nothing else.
Adam
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:28:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Estrada, LTE, Bahr
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.980413152614.9153A-100000@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
> So, are you actually proud of being a bad trader? Hey, c'mon, man
> wouldn't you like to have a clean name instead of being known as "Alan
> 'The Bad Trader' Estrada"??
Yeah, like Alan 'The Mad Poster' Estrada. Or Alan 'Trigger Happy'
Estrada.
> From: dhove@minnesotamonthly.com (Derek Hove)
> Who is LTE?.......go ahead call me stupid...
Stupid.
Liquid Tension Experiment is an all instrumental CD (if you ignore some
whistling and stuff on one track) featuring John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy,
Tony Levin on bass, and Jordan Rudess on keys. And it fucking kicks ass.
:)
As far as this Bahr thing goes, I'm just about ready to kill him myself,
if only for the fact that I've gotten 3 jams in 4 hours with 90% Bahr
content. Enough already.
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
| Pat Griffin Reality Squared Design |
| gabbo@dreamt.org shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:50:44 EDT
From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes. Mike Bahr.
Message-ID: <77a6169f.353288b5@aol.com>
> From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
> Subject: re: Prism Records / Mike Bahr (Take Two)
>
> I have to agree with you, he is a very poor businessman, but what he is
> offering is limited run, very high quality cd's.
Stop calling them "limited run." Much of the material can be found elsewhere,
I would hardly say you're shit outta luck if you missed one of Mike Bahr's
productions. It's convenient to have it all in one place, it's nicely
packaged, it's on a cd, and the sound quality is usually a-ok, but the
material on the discs is very rarely what I would call "limited." As for
production numbers, someone (whose name escapes me) on this very list has
offered re-releases of older Mike Bahr discs for $20 (or was it $25?). Besides
all this, within a few years people will undoubtedly start bootlegging Mike
Bahr discs, and you'll have your chance at all those snazzy packages.
> So I will continue to wait 6 mos. for my cds, because you can't get them
> elsewhere!
Ahem. My problem with Mike Bahr is not his personality, his truck, or the fact
that he (allegedly) works for an "all-natural" bodily-hygiene products
company, which really rubs me the wrong way because I'm of the belief that
humans are the master race and should wipe out all forms of vegetation and
earthly minerals before worrying about how healthy and shiny our hair is or
how we smell to other people. My main difficulty in continuing to accept Mike
Bahr's musical outings is that most of what he offers is available elsewhere.
"Antiquities" was a real kick in the ass because I spent money for a
compilation disc where eight of the tracks I already owned. (illegally, but
yes I already had them in my possession.) Stop saying "you can't get what Mike
Bahr offers anywhere else."
I used to trade a bunch. Then my technology died. The last trade I arranged
before this happened was with Pat Griffin. I had to find a tape deck that was
usable since the stereo I was using had fried itself in a power surge. The
tape deck I thought was a worthy replacement had a few soldering problems,
which were repaired asap, then the left channel stopped working for playback
OR record due to me carrying the machine outside in the rain one day. Stupid.
Anyway, after a period of possibly sixteen months (I don't even remember when
I talked to him on the phone so long ago), I finished the trade on a great
stereo I found here in Maryland, and threw in some other stuff to make up for
the wait I put Gabbo through.
That stereo does not belong to me, by the way (no I didn't steal it, it
belongs to a friend), and since that day I talked to Gabbo on the phone I
haven't traded with anyone. And I'm still not trading with anyone. Mainly
because, hey, when the hell am I going to sit down and listen to the dozens of
items that I have that are simply nowhere near as powerful or concise as a
full-fledged musical effort such as "Caught In A Web??" But when I did trade I
traded well, I traded for rarities, I traded for things I had never heard
before. And I'm convinced I stumbled into the same people Mike Bahr did. You
know you've traded too much when you have a 1st generation copy from a radio
broadcast that you yourself taped one afternoon while the broadcast was going
on...and it appeared on a Mike Bahr disc that you paid $25 for. I know that
isn't Mike Bahr's fault, but should I pay someone to compile all my Ytsejam
posts and mail them back to me in one giant monthly downloadable text file?
. I mean, one giant yearly downloadable text file?
> I think what Mike really needs to do is stop making so many new discs, and
catch
> up until there are no more old orders to be shipped.
A great idea, Art. The question is "can he?"
---- > From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> > Subject: Re: Prism Records / Mike Bahr (Take Two) > > Ah, yes, the fabled Mike Bahr debate.Fabled. As fabled as the Bill Clinton Can't Keep His Hands Off Some Woman debate.
> Do with my list what you will.
I printed it out, crumpled it up, and used it as a cork to constipate my dog. Happy?
> There was a time when Mike's mission with Prism Records was to get rare > material into the hands of the fans...but all in all, we bought a piece of history.
(summarized in obedience with Ytsejam Ettiquette Rule #12, "quit re-posting the entire fucking message you motherbitcher moron.") Yes, "Subconscious" opened the door with a bang. Unfortunately the potentially-godlike creature standing in the doorway known as Prism Records then proceeded to enter the room with the pace and intensity of a slug, body parts falling off like a leper with each step. This does not mean I believe the postal strike killed Prism Records, this means that from the beginning the speed and efficiency of Prism Records withered dramatically. I would have preferred a constant pace of production over a "new and better" cd burner or cd-graphics maker that only seemed to make the business more difficult. Prism Records suffered the same problem as Jetfire - "Prone to mechanical failure due to advanced technology" (see techspec for further info). Prism ended up reminding me more of Soundwave, a being who used guile and deception to blackmail others and move up in the ranks, and had a host of ejectable casette-warriors who did his bidding...
Okay so Mike Bahr never had mechanical warriors eject from his chest, so what... > I still listen to Acoustic Dreams and WDATU.
Coincidence. I also listen to these two, and don't listen to any of the others. > Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, Mike lost the vision of Prism Records. > What had started out as a hobby, with the purpose of helping collectors, > turned into a business.
Eh... I would argue that the fountain of rarities began to run dry. > Dollar signs started to float around the air.
Like coins to Mario and Luigi.
> And not just music. Movies, video games. All for a buck.
And why didn't I hear about any of this?! ALWAYS the last to know...
> Mike wrote to us with heroic stories of crimefighting, and sad tales of selling his > bass equipment and breaking up the band.
Not to mention selling his STAR WARS COLLECTION. That post was downright disheartening.
> The hobby became a business; the family, customers; the passion, a product.
The mittens, your wallet; the bitches, girlscouts.
> But as nice and friendly as Mike Bahr the person is, Mike Bahr the businessman > has lost my business. What remains to be seen is what he will do to earn our > business back.
A nice Cliff Notes version of the Mike Bahr story. I wonder what Mike has (HAD, yes I'm behind) to say about it. I agree with most of it, well all of it actually, and echo your ending question with many raised eyebrows...
Well one raised eyebrow out of two, so what...
Bafu Vai
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