YTSEJAM Digest 3751
Today's Topics:
1) Re: sounds
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
2) Cal shows
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
3) Still Catching Up -- Moms and DT
by Kevin Loechner <kloechn@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
by Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
5) The Beard at the Roxy
by "Paul T. Fini" <fini@eci1.ucsb.edu>
6) Re: DT Show
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
7) Re: Philly
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) No DTC
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
9) re: bootleg issue
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
10) enough already
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
11) Bootlegs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3745
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) HY single
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
15) please...
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
16) Detroit show tickets......!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
17) Phoenix tickets
by dancing.turtle@asu.edu
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3750
by DrummerEsh <DrummerEsh@aol.com>
19) Savatage Boot
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
20) nj dt concerts and a blind guy who desperately would like a ride
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
21) St.Louis show
by Yvette Cooley <beanvet@accessus.net>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:28:56 -0400
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: sounds
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980415192856.0074883c@maila.wm.edu>
>> Well, I have these sounds I recorded from the DTIFC CD...most of them are
the guys being really silly (LOTS of Mr. Portnoy!) and goofing off. Is
anyone interested in these? I was pondering zipping them up and putting
them on my website, but, a) I'm not sure if I'll have enough space, and b)
they're in .wav (Windoze) format. I'm using them right now...fun fun fun.
>>
Hey, I am VERY interested in this stuff!! Lemme know where I can find
those babies.
Alex
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Cal shows
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980415164702.14526A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
I'm so at the SF show. If I don't go *this* time, I'll personally label
myself a loser. Wellness.
Matt B
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"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes;
not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:51:09 -0500
From: Kevin Loechner <kloechn@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Still Catching Up -- Moms and DT
Message-ID: <353547ED.3153@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Just caught the Mothers and Dream Theater thread, so I thought I would
add my two cents. I just purchased my first Dream Theater albums late
last year, and rapidly purchased several more after that. I brought
them home on break from school and played them for my mom. She really
got into Peruvian Skies, when I first picked up FII (at a used CD store
in Shreveport, LA for only $8.99, I figured a die hard fan discarded it,
someone who expected another I&W or Awake). Then when I went with my
mom to get my hair cut during Spring Break I was talking about the music
I liked. I told the people there I liked Dream Theater (the women there
had not heard of them), and then my mom says "They're really good".
Wow, my parents are cool. Well, I did start listening to music with my
Dad, and we would listen to Led Zeppelin, Cream, and Black Sabbath on
vinyl. My dad also liked Dream Theater, but he will not express it as
much as my mom does. Just thought the Moms and DT thread was
interesting.
Don't stop the rockin',
Kevin Loechner
http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~kloechn
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:56:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980415184242.12123A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 KingMcGyve wrote
> Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money
> from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention
> their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time
Awe hell. This is the one thing I DONT like about fan lists. There's
always SOMEONE who starts feeling all guilty about bootlegs and has to
make it sound like fans are ripping off the band by buying them. Look,
you're not ripping the band off!!!!! Fans who buy bootlegs generally have
everything the band has in print already. Bands also don't usually print
a cd of every single tour they do (unless it's Floyd we're talking about)
but fans seem to want recordings of each stageshow. That's where bootlegs
provide a valuable service to fans and band alike. It allows fans to keep
a concert on cd whereas they wouldnt otherwise, and the band doesnt have
to always be pushing the record company to let them do a live release.
So BUY THE BOOTLEGS!!! Enjoy them. Don't let someone make you feel
guilty about enjoying the music of your favorite band.
Robert
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:04:41 -0700
From: "Paul T. Fini" <fini@eci1.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Beard at the Roxy
Message-ID: <v03102800b15af88f4a01@[128.111.29.61]>
Hi to all Spock's Beard fans on the list, and those who are on the verge of
becoming one... if you _ever_ get the chance to see this band live, _do
so at any cost_, even if it means driving down from the Bay area to L.A.,
as some hardcore fans have been known to do. :) Coldfire pretty much summed
up the essential aspects of the show, which were that the band was totally
together and proved how good they are playing live, not just on well-
produced albums. In a word: Wow.
The opening band, Mike Keneally and Beer for Dolphins, were a pleasant
surprise - a very tight group for only having rehearsed a few times together
before playing this show (according to Mike). They were very dynamic in
general, and I thought I could hear a little Crimson as well as Echolyn (!)
in there at times (others who were there can correct me on this if you
disagree). Anyway, I picked up their CD after the show and am pretty
impressed... when I talked to Mike after the show, he says they mostly
play around the L.A. area, but have considered plans to tour on a limited
basis... we'll see.
Three cheers for the BEARD!
Paul
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
Subject: Re: DT Show
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980415000023.12297E-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> Would someone be kind enough to post the phone number of the Electric
> Factory in Philadelphia, PA? My group and I are starting to plan a road
> trip for the May 9th show and I need ticket info. and directions. Thanks
> Jammers!!!
ticket info - ticketmaster: (215) 336-2000
directions - email me, and i'll help you out.
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syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:14:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Scott Sturdivant <ckssrs@axiomnet.com>
Subject: Re: Philly
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980415201238.7114A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> I went today, Tuesday, to get tickets for Blue, found they were sold out, so
> asked about DT instead, and sure enough, they are on sale already, so
> tomorrow morning, im going! But they are on sale for philly!
rad. i stand corrected.
i'm seeing BLUE on Fridayt in Baltimore. 7:30pm. 100 people.
man, it's going to be sweet. :)
> Hey, a miny ytsecon sounds great. Lets really work something out, may it be
> a list of people on the web with a sign up or just hand the role over to
> mike and have him organize the whole thing (thats where my vote goes). But
> anyway, I'm there, and, I'm bringing 5 people! Two of which saw Dt once
> before, were converted and are now as devouted as I.
If enough people <hint, hint> email me saying that they want to do
this, then we can DEFINATLY set something up, no problem.
So, you want a mini-ytsecon in philly? email me. :)
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syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:54:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No DTC
Message-ID: <199804160054.UAA08638@grex.cyberspace.org>
Please do...
-- Check out my band Elsinore's homepage and join our email update list.http://members.home.com/lmkaufman/elsinore
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:08:43 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: bootleg issue Message-ID: <35355A1B.A7F8F182@ici.net>
> Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money > from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention > their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time
Okay I thought about it....and came to the same conclusion I did the last time I heard this issue brought up. The only way you are STEALING money from a band with a bootleg, is if that bootleg is a copy of a legitimate commercial release. If I buy a CD-R copy of Awake, then yes, I am stealing money from the band.
Most of the material being discussed here, however, is not available commercially anywhere, and never *will* be available commercially anywhere. Therefore, the band was never going to make any money from it, and no one is *stealing* anything from them.
Keep in mind that I mean this from a strictly monetary point of view. The morals of actually taping the shows is another issue altogether.
And since you brought it up, how exactly do you see bootlegging as having any effect on DT's "artistic integrity"? You've got me baffled with that one.
--
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:30:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: enough already Message-ID: <199804160130.VAA19841@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
come on, enough... first we get rehash 423412312.4 of the Bahr wars, which of course now lead to the "boots are bad for a band" vs those of us who like live stuff... enough, please let it stop, let it all end... I can't stand reading though 10 digests of useless drivel (sp) to have no content whatsoever, other than Mike (P) posting about how the club in England royally fucked up...
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:35:16 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bootlegs Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980415223342.1655A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
If the band released the shows, I'd buy from them instead of from bootleggers. :-)
If the band sucked so bad, nobody would want bootlegs from them. I think that it is a good signal to the band that there's someone wanting bootlegs of theirs. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:36:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3745 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980415213350.156286A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> -Why is it everytime you buy something from Guitar Center, you > feel like you are getting ripped off?
Because you are. Go to West L.A. Music instead.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HY single Message-ID: <01IVWVB0Q9G80005A1@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 15-APR-1998 21:24:19
Ok, I just got the hollow years single and I'm very pleased. You Or Me is like, twice as good as YNM, which in itself is not a bad song, although it far from the greatest on the album. YOM(hee hee, yom....) is a lot better.
But enough of that, the guys know what they're doing and it's not my place to nag them about it. I *do* want to say, though, that The Way It Used To Be is a great song, and I don't understand why it was not released as the first single. I think it would have gone a lot further than Hollow Years, BMS, or YNM. It would have needed some hefty editing to bring it down from 7 something minutes, but I can't help think that this wouldhave been the song that brought all the Dave Matthew fans, Radiohead fans, basically mainstream rock fans heading to the DT divider at Sam Goody. It's a real catchall.
does anybody else have bass dropout at the beginning of BMS on this CD? My Sony Ass-man, with its so-called quote/unquote "MEGABASS" can't seem to handle anything in the lower range.
Listening to BMS right now...hey they should play it like this at all the concerts. they haven't at any that I've been to. I like Mike's funky echo in the chorus.
I fuggin hate Sony products. I think they build them preset for all the wires to melt at a specific time just after the warranty. I'll kill 'em all, the marriot eating, ticketmaster buying, aol using punks. (no offense, Mike. I want your ISP to burn in hell. You don't mind, do you?)
Ok...ok...I'm burning my soul. I'm burning my soul. it's cool. I'm calm. I'm calm. don't touch me, dammit.
josh
............................................................ mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:42:51 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737 Message-ID: <7380a040.3535621d@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-15 16:45:39 EDT, you write:
<< Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time >>
i'm sure they don't see it that way, i know MP and JM do not.. by the way we are STEALING nothing from them. there is not ONE Dream Theater fan here that would skip a DT show just because they already heard them live.. so there is NOTHING being stolen from dream theater.
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:46:38 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: please... Message-ID: <01IVWVVT6RZ20005A1@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 15-APR-1998 21:41:07
>Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING >money from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to >mention their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the >time
Yeah, and metallica sucks! And that religion stuff is bullshit!
Anyone know what they're saying at the end of Pull Me Under?
Dream Theatre is my second favorite band, right after Beck.
ok, sorry about that. Seriously though...I don't get it. What money is lost to the band exactly? concert money? nnnnope. album money? nnnnope. hmmmm. I'm curious. enlighten me.
osh-kosh b'josh
............................................................ mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:18:48 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Detroit show tickets......! Message-ID: <35357898.658E11DB@ameritech.net>
> Tickets are on sale and have been for the past week for the Philly > show.
Does ANYBODY have ticket info for the Detroit show? Ticketbastard says the concert isn't even in their computers, and St. Andrews doesn't answer their phone (just get a recording).?
Thanks! - Joe D.
p.s. - If anybody is going..... please email me!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:29:15 -0700 (MST) From: dancing.turtle@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Phoenix tickets Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980415202652.1144B-100000@general1.asu.edu>
In the hot off the presses New Times, on page 107, there's a picture of OFB announcing tickets go on sale this Saturday through Dilliards. That would April 18 for anyone with calenders.
keith
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:29:22 EDT From: DrummerEsh <DrummerEsh@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3750 Message-ID: <813d4114.35357b14@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-15 19:32:48 EDT, you write:
<< >Just curious. I'm one who's never had the fortune of being at a DT >show. I'm probably going to be >at the HOB shows in L.A. or Maritime Hall in SF. I was just wondering >who was going to be there. >>
Esh will be at the house of blues in LA
~ESH~
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:34:25 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savatage Boot Message-ID: <35357C41.B092610D@caribe.net>
Hi, i am looking for a "wake of magellan" era 'tage boot...either tapes or cd, with good quality ( please ). Ill be willing to trade ( although i have limited stuff ) or give you blanks + postage or whatever. Please Email me privately :) Thanx --
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: nj dt concerts and a blind guy who desperately would like a ride Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980415234033.25219A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, if anybody wants a former ytselegend to accompany them to the DT show at the Birch Hill, or even the Irving plaza one, haven't bought tickets yet, please let me know. I really want to go. But at press time, don't have a ride. so, I begin begging. Please somebody take pity on me. hey, I am a lot of fun to be around, ask the people who know me from my infrequent but memorable trips to irc.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:10:08 -0500 From: Yvette Cooley <beanvet@accessus.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: St.Louis show Message-ID: <01BD68C3.A3BB1460@mtv-i-1-68.accessus.net>
Damnit, I was really looking forward to a date in St.Louis. I was going = to travel to Chicago, but I can't ride in a car that long (5 hours), = seeing as I have just had back surgery(quite uncomfortable). Oh well I = don't blame the band, I just hope and pray they'll get a chance to stop = by sometime in the future. Man I'd really love to see them. Does it seem = like St.Louis has been giving us the short end of the stick on concerts = lately? Anyone?
Thanks,James
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