YTSEJAM Digest 3750
Today's Topics:
1) Spock's Beard
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
3) Re: Bootleg
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
4) Re: Chicago tickets
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
6) Re: California shows
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
7) Artistic integrity
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
8) re: DT opening band
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
9) Candy from the baby's mouth
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
11) Re: Artistic integrity
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
12) NDC...Revenge!
by "The time is near it is quite clear..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
13) Re: DT opening band
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Re: NDC...Revenge!
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
by DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
17) Re: LTE dropouts on 3 M W
by Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3746
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
19) Digital Ruin and other mp3s
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:09:55 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980415130955.00aea4f0@mail.legato.com>
Greetings Peoples!
You may get a more detailed post later from other Jammers who went or from
Lisa Marie herself but I just had to share!
Anyway, yesterday several members of the Cali Crew Ytsejammers from the San
Francisco Bay Area made the "Trek" down to see SB at the Roxy in LA. (Hi
Lisa, Steve, Ryan and Matt G!)
Okay I am very hoarse as I screamed, shouted and sang thru the entire 2
hours of eargasms! WOW! What can I say ...the show was brilliant. If
you haven't had the opportunity to listen to any of their material, please
go and find some time to do so. These guys are amazingly tight, on time
and have some terrific harmonies. All the guys have great rapport with the
audience and it shows in their playing!
A high point for me was when they played The Doorway and The Light! Of
course watching Ryo with his portable synth drop down into the audience and
play around was thrilling as I and Lisa had smuggled in 2 camera's and I
pray I got what I think will be some terrific shots! As soon as I give
them to Lisa for her to put up on her web page (she runs Thoughts, the SB
list) either Lisa or myself will let you know where to go and view them!
I am not sure of the correct and Official set list...but I can tell you
that they did my fave SB tune and the one Lisa made me play first and it
got me hooked: The Doorway! Talk about a moment! They also played June,
Go the Way you Go, Cakewalk on Easy Street, Thoughts, Beware of Darkness,
Walking on the Wind (another moment of greatness) The Light, and I know I
am forgetting some songs. Lisa, or if anyone else remembers, please can
you add to this list and maybe put them in order?
Okay now even my fingers are hoarse from typing...I have had like no sleep
and ya know what...It was all worth it!
toodles....back to the Shadows I go!
Coldfire
GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List
http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Cyrstalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:10:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980415150037.27540A-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
i have thought about it for a minute now....let me see...mmmhhhh, i think
we really are ripping off DT, no.......mmmhhh, i take that back. We are
doing them a huge favor, no.......mmmhhh, i m confused now!
What is this all about? I look out for DT boots since i want to hear more
music from them, and in no way i feel like i m ripping them off.
Maybe i m....but at least MP understands why a lot of DT "fans" look out
for bootleg releases.
Mauricio
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, KingMcGyve wrote:
>
> Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money
> from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention
> their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:34:07 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bootleg
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980415133406.006ea404@postoffice.syspac.com>
>Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING
money
>from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention
>their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time
Portnoy must not mind "stealing" from himself every time he orders a Mike
Bahr DT bootleg then, huh?
~Vinnie (hates Physics)
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:44:47 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Chicago tickets
Message-ID: <199804152043.NAA09795@odin.ax.com>
Hey, anyone know if tickets for the Chicago DT show are on sale yet?
If so, how/where can I order/get them?
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"As miserable as life is, I hold it pretty
precious." -Henry Rollins
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:50:04 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
Message-ID: <3eaf15ce.35351d7e@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-15 16:04:47 EDT, you write:
<< Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING
money
from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention
their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time
>>
Ha Ha Ha! Looks like we have an RIAA rep. on the jam! Lighten up!
~~~~~~Art
The Official Joe Stump Website
http://www.joestump.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:59:47 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: California shows
Message-ID: <v01540b03b15add7252de@[205.134.227.115]>
rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph> wrote:
>Just curious. I'm one who's never had the fortune of being at a DT
>show. I'm probably going to be
>at the HOB shows in L.A. or Maritime Hall in SF. I was just wondering
>who was going to be there.
I and my firends will be at the Maritime Hall in San Francisco in May 16
for sure. If you can make it, please go to see Present (dark Belgian prog)
at the Full Moon Saloon in San Mateo in May 15, too. And the next night
after the DT show (May 17) will be Bela Fleck and The Flecktones at the
Great American Music Hall in SF. It will be a hell week for me since it's
my final week at school.
See you,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:57:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Artistic integrity
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980415164834.5685B-100000@thunder>
Some one posted the boots steal a band's money and their artistic
integrity. Ive always looked at it this way: If no one recorded the
material, a great work of art and creation is lost forever. Think of all
the great things Pink Floyd did in the early 70s that are lost FOREVER.
Bootlegs (oreos) PRESERVE art! They are BENIFICIAL. As for stealing
money from the band - no .. in fact (though no "study" has ever been
conducted) I would bet the band bennifits because the bootlegs phyche
people up for the concert! Bootlegging an official release of the band is
stealing.. but bootlegging somehting that otherwise wouldnt exist is not
stealing money. I guess if someone is that concerned they should send the
band 5 bucks for every bootleg they buy. If I had my way a band would
release every show they perform..and it would only cost 10 bucks instead
of 25 or 50, and would be of the HIGHEST quality. Thats an ideal world.
Record companies ar4e the ones in power and they wont go for that, so it
is the bootleggers who pick up the slack.
Most bands (Pink Floyd and Phish included) actually are GLAD that bootlegs
circulate around. Its the greedy record companies who get pissed.
I am interested to hear Mike Portnoy's views on the subject, whether he
approves ro disapproves. I guess knowing that your concert is going to be
preserved might make one more nervous in performing but who knows :)
Another example.. I have 5 pink floyd oreos, and YET OWN ALL the albums..
no one lost money from me... just some entreprenour gained money from me.
OK.. enough of the subject. In short.. I like the idea of preserving art
and ould be damned glad if all bands recorded all shows and released the
shows themselves (in perfect soundboard quality).. but this is not an
ideal world.
Cheers
-Ponte
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:58:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: DT opening band
Message-ID: <19980415205856.6819.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>
"Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> pondered:
>I was wondering if anyone has heard any rumors about >possible
opening bands for DT's U.S. shows in May. I >think that either
Enchant or Spock's Beard would be an >awesome
>Any other thoughts on bands you would like to see open >for DT?
You didn't hear about the special festival shows they're going to do?!
The official line-up will be:
Dream Theater (with special guests)
Fates Warning
Enchant
Lemur Voice
Chroma Key
LTE
And during the DT set, Kevin M. and Charlie D. will do guest
appearances on appropriate songs...
;-) BH
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Candy from the baby's mouth
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980415164926.5664C-100000@galileo.cris.com>
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, KingMcGyve wrote:
> Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money
> from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever?
How do you figure ?
/me opens another can of rehashed worms.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:13:32 -0400
From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
Message-ID: <353522FC.2E67@mtu.edu>
> From: KingMcGyve <KingMcGyve@aol.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737
> Message-ID: <114a1bc2.353509ae@aol.com>
>
> Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money
> from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention
> their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time
Hve you ever thought that us 'fans' who buy bootlegs, are the same
'fans' who buy every albums, t-shirt, single, video...? It's not like
someone goes out and buys a bootleg as a first time way to hear the
band. Have you ever though that the band knows about all the bootlegs
and even collects them?
Matt
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Artistic integrity
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980415141346.23099B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Mike Pontrelli wrote:
>Another example.. I have 5 pink floyd oreos, and YET OWN ALL the albums..
>no one lost money from me... just some entreprenour gained money from me.
That's RoIO's (Recordings of Ideterminante/illegal Origin). Unless you
mean you actually have the sanwich cookie shaped in the faces of PF
members... ^_^
Would the Syd oreo be multicolored, cycling in an LSD haze of creme
filling?
Ponder...
>-Ponte
>
>
--Matt
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:32:43 EDT
From: "The time is near it is quite clear..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDC...Revenge!
Message-ID: <009C4C1C.F62864E0.5@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Hello 'Jammers,
okay, here's the deal. recently, basically all the guys on my campus
got two e-mails from a guy "Jim", saying to look at these pictures on the
internet. me and some of my friends want revenge. it may be childish, but,
still, we want it. I'm asking for aid in spamming this person. no one knows
who he is, nor how or why he choose my campus (1800 students...WHY?). so,
please, spam like mad. even better if you have a commercial account he or she
can't trace. here's the account:
jim22@hotmail.com
ps-if you really want to see the e-mails he sent, let me know in private. any
responses, also, please, e-mail them to me in private! thanks. here's my
address:
bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:44:44 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT opening band
Message-ID: <35352A4C.44BA1A7E@caribe.net>
Brian Hansen wrote:
> "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> pondered:
>
> >I was wondering if anyone has heard any rumors about >possible
> opening bands for DT's U.S. shows in May. I >think that either
> Enchant or Spock's Beard would be an >awesome
> >Any other thoughts on bands you would like to see open >for DT?
>
> You didn't hear about the special festival shows they're going to do?!
>
> The official line-up will be:
>
> Dream Theater (with special guests)
> Fates Warning
> Enchant
> Lemur Voice
> Chroma Key
> LTE
>
> And during the DT set, Kevin M. and Charlie D. will do guest
> appearances on appropriate songs...
>
> ;-) BH
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
You forgot to add the recent additions of Savatage, Angra, Superior and
the Spice girls to the show :)
--
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:52:25 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDC...Revenge!
Message-ID: <199804152152.RAA14304@al.cs.wm.edu>
>
> Hello 'Jammers,
> okay, here's the deal. recently, basically all the guys on my campus
> got two e-mails from a guy "Jim", saying to look at these pictures on the
> internet. me and some of my friends want revenge.
Why? Were they nudie pix of your sister or something?
> I'm asking for aid in spamming this person.
Count me out. If this person/group/whatever is into spamming, he/they are
dying to get more addresses to spam. Go ahead, piss him off. And then be
prepared to continually empty your inbox.
> here's the account:
> jim22@hotmail.com
If you're angry that you got spam from this address, then send a letter to
postmaster@hotmail.com or abuse@hotmail.com. Forward the offending message to
them, explain what happened, and (at least temporarily) "Jim" won't be sending
mail to *anyone*.
-d
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:01:34 EDT
From: DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
Message-ID: <a727f87e.35352e40@aol.com>
I want you all to know that since September of 1992, I have seen almost every
Dream Theater show. Any questions??
F.R.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:49:37 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749
Message-ID: <199804152249.SAA06227@steelhead.cs.wm.edu>
Doped Up wrote:
> I want you all to know that since September of 1992, I have seen almost every
> Dream Theater show. Any questions??
Yeah. Can I be you for, like, 10 minutes, just to feel how cool it must be to
be you?
-d
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:55:13 EDT
From: Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE dropouts on 3 M W
Message-ID: <4dda4737.35353ad2@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-14 17:30:55 EDT, you write:
<<
One more comment on LTE...the dropoff towards the end of 3 Minute
Warning is a really big blemish...I wouldn't say it ruins the track but
it's noticeable...is there any reason they couldn't have mixed that part
differently to cover the difference in sound? Another question--why is
it divided up into five different tracks? I don't get the point of
splitting it up like that...any comments? >>
Me again!!
(When the tour ends in a couple days, you won't be hearing from me as much as
I will be spending all my time with Marlene & Melody......)
Anyway....That dropoff was unavoidable as the multitrack tape RAN OUT.
You can't mix a 2-track DAT because it is not recorded in multitrack format...
I decided to subdivide 3MW, so you could access different parts of the jams
without having to sit at your CD player scrolling through 25 minutes of noise
to hear a particular part....
However, if I would have known that the idiots that mastered the CD in Europe
would end up screwing it up, I may have thought twice about it....
I SHUTTER every time I think of people listening to the defective version.....
PLEASE EXCHANGE THEM IF YOU HAVEN"T ALREADY!!!
(buy the ones that have the serial # of MAXX and not MAX)
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:57:32 PDT
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3746
Message-ID: <19980415225735.12650.qmail@hotmail.com>
>> From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Hollow Years video
>
>> Why donīt we all in the jam (and I mean ALL OF US) e-mail to eMpTyV
and request
>> the video? It wonīt take more than 10 minutes to do it, and it would
surely be of
>> a lot of help. So donīt be lazy and start e-mailing right now.
>
>Wow, why didn't anyone think of this before.....oh wait..WE HAVE!
>every since MTV dropped Hard rock and Heavy metal from the rotation
>EVERYONE has been e-mailing their requests but they refuse to listen
>to our pleas....basically , because their ain't no $$$ in it for
them....
OK, you may be right. But some of my friends have actually seen the
video, that means that eMpTyV is playing it and, as I said before: What
can we loose? 10 minutes of our precious time?!!?! Cīmon!!!
Iīm sure that DT will appreciate our effort.
Take care
Ernesto
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:27:22 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com, fates@tier.net
Subject: Digital Ruin and other mp3s
Message-ID: <199804152327.QAA29909@gms.gmsnet.com>
I finally got around to putting up a couple of mp3's from Digital Ruin...
so check them out!!
I also put up a clip from Prototype's new CD, Cloned... featuring the monster
drummer, Pat McGrath (Corrosion, Killing Kulture, Slayer).
URL in the sig... go to the Ear Candy section, under USA audio clips. :)
-The Doc
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