YTSEJAM Digest 3764
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Sonic Youth
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) Re: DT Demos
by Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
3) Floyd ravings...
by "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
4) Re: My instrument's harder than yours .... and bigger too
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
5) Stereo equip. (NDTC)...I know,I know. Sorry.
by Dave <sirdave@concentric.net>
6) New Boot CD Review
by MOUROMTSEV <101473.2404@compuserve.com>
7) Japanese Goodies
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
8) Chicago show
by Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu>
9) Re: My instrument's harder than yours .... and bigger too
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
10) Re: Pink Floyd
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
11) to mike portnoy
by "Arciniegas" <arciniegasf@cantv.net>
12) Road Trip to Cincy and/or Chicago
by Krysten DeBroka <kryt@indy.net>
13) Re: DT Demos
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
14) heya ;-)
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
15) Re: DT Demos
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) Bootleg purchase advise needed
by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980419191128.4810A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
>
> Al "Which half is naked?" B said:
>
The left half, of course..................
-Al
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:16:21 EDT
From: Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Demos
Message-ID: <d6f70755.353a85c7@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-16 15:32:51 EDT, you write:
<< > Now, that song it s supposed to be a DEMO, is there a definitive version,
> or that version was meant to be on FII, but had to be cut from it?
Every song (including the ones on the album) was demoed. That's just how the
system works. Then they picked 11 of them to record somewhere nicer than
JP's
basement (or wherever they did the demos), and that became the album. The
songs that weren't selected were never (at least, as far as I know, and maybe
MP could clarify if I'm wrong) re-recorded after they were demoed.
>>
****That is all correct, except for the fact that all the demos were recorded
at our rehearsal studio at the time in New Jersey....
(8 track ADAT with me & JP engineering & "producing")
The only stuff we "re-recorded" at Avatar with Kevin Shirley is what is on the
album.
MP****
<<<But, by and large, the reason a band gets a producer is
to give objective opinions on your work. It's often difficult, if not
impossible, to critique your own work to the point that you're willing to make
the kind of changes DT did to their material. It's usually equally difficult
to tell yourself that you sound bad, and something's worth doing over. That's
what the job of the producer is.
"You can play that more cleanly."
"Nah, man, that's my best."
"Try it again."
"Wow, you were right! That *is* better!">>>>
***Correct-a-mundo again D-man,
Although, "I" am of the opinion that this band already has plenty of good
chefs in the kitchen, and am more than comfortable doing it ourselves like we
do the demos.
(or the LTE album for that matter....KS only mixed the tapes after the
sessions)
However, Some of the other guys don't neccessarily agree and still prefer
having that "outside ear"...it's yet to be decided which way we'll go with
next record...
MP
"I am a Camera..... Camera, Camera"
(Trevor Horn - Yes - Drama)*****
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:41:37 -0700
From: "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Floyd ravings...
Message-ID: <000001bd6bec$b1e264e0$5c16a2d1@james>
Maybe I missed the sarcasm but....
I would say that almost everything they did from The Wall and prior was the
best music Floyd ever made. Not to say that The Final Cut, Momentary Lapse
of Reason, and The Division Bell (probably the best post-Waters album) are
not excellent albums, but personally I think the pre-Final Cut albums are
the best. Even David Gilmour has said that Wish you Were Here was his
favorite album, along with Richard Wright. Floyd got lucky with the DSOTM?
I want a whole lot of whatever it is you are on dude.....
>That's all I can think of. There are alot that you don't have. "Piper at
>the Gates of Dawn," "Meddle" "Ummagumma," "Final Cut" etc. But most of
>them arent worth owning. Pink Floyd really didn't get good until they got
>rid of that control freak Waters. They got lucky with "Darkside" "Wall,"
>and "Wish You Were Here," but besides that, nothing they did before 1987
>was really all that good.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:54:02 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My instrument's harder than yours .... and bigger too
Message-ID: <e0c36d94.353a8e9d@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-19 19:03:46 EDT, Rocky joked:
<< i never heard of drum tabs, maybe cause it's not that hard to figure out
what
someone is playing on drums, especially if your a drummer. but hell what do i
know? im just a guitarist/keyboardist.. well, i am an air drummer too, but i
dont think that counts >>
Now after reading way too many Rocky posts, I am sure he meant this to be a
joke. I don't think drums have ever been TABBED, but there seems to be a
standard for representing drums in STANDARD NOTATION. I'm a guitarist, but I
try to read Modern Drummer (and Keyboard and Bass Player) any chance I get. I
thought it was strange of Rocky to say that it's "not that hard to figure out
what someone is playing on drums". True - it is hard to mistake a bass drum
for a snare, but it is also to be fully aware of ALL the possible drums
(including PERCUSSION). When I put drums on the Drum Machine to play along
to, sometimes I don't know what the hell type of percussion is being played by
the drummer. If anything is lacking in my personal transcription process,
it's being able to figure out what instruments are producing uncommon rock
sounds. In other words, if Mike Portnoy decides to bring in some percussion
he is going to possibly overdub - I'll find the instrument by simply scrolling
through all the possible percussion instruments. I haven't progressed to the
point of instantly recognizing percussion sounds. So, that has been one of
the biggest barriers I have to overcome in transcribing. I would also love to
be able to pick out ALL the parts in an orchestra score.
For those of you who think transcribing is a waste of time, you obviously
don't realize the benefit this provides to your own personal compositions. It
becomes so much easier figuring out how to PRODUCE the sounds you hear in your
head when you realize what instrument you are hearing. It also helps when you
hear a sound that doesn't come from ANY insturment - at which point you will
have to go VAI and make the sound possible. And know, I'm not a huge Vai fan.
I just recognize genius when I hear it.
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Date: 4/19/1998 20:8
From: Dave <sirdave@concentric.net>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Stereo equip. (NDTC)...I know,I know. Sorry.
Message-ID: <199804200009.UAA29384@newman.concentric.net>
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Hi guys (and gals;),
This stereo equipment thread is of particular interest to
me, so maybe I could get some help/opinions before it gets
dropped.
The only home stereo system I've ever owned is a JVC
micro/mini system that does a good job in my small bedroom.
However, since I'll be moving into my own house soon, I'd
like to get something nice.
What I'm looking at now is;
Yamaha: 70 watts/channel for front, 35 watts/channel for 2
rear, 8 DSP modes receiver.
Boston Acoustics micro series surround sound rear speakers.
Boston Acoustics front speakers- 2-way towers (not too
big).
Boston Acoustics 3-way center channel speaker.
I want this to sound great with music as well as movies,
but I dont know that much about stereo equipment.
Could anybody help me with some advice in this area. The
sales rep.told me the speakers are matched with each other
as well as being matched with the receiver.
I've seen packages in Circuit City ads that are less $,
but don't seem as nice. This system will run about $1000.
Also, is using a subwoofer while listening to CD's a good
idea, or are they really only for movies?
Sorry this is so long, but I really value the opinions of
the people on this list (fellow DT fans). Please give your
suggestions on this- privately if you wish.
Thanks VERY MUCH!
Dave
P.S; I can't wait to experience LIVE IN TOKYO on a system
like this.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:11:43 -0400
From: MOUROMTSEV <101473.2404@compuserve.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Boot CD Review
Message-ID: <199804192014_MC2-3A4E-2F69@compuserve.com>
Hello everybody,
I have received Open All Night's sample cd "into the great unknown"
yesterday and the guys have asked me to post a review of it here. So there
we go.
Contents:
A 13 song compilation including 2 songs by Dream Theater (peruvian skies +
under a glass moon) from the 1998 French tour, as well as songs by other
bands such as Megadeth, Savatage, Royal Hunt.
Sound Quality:
Quite amazing. Clear, well-balanced recordings of obviously digital origin.
The best audience recordings I've heard so far (and I've heard a lot).
Dream Theater, Vanden Plas & Savatage stand out as the best.
Artwork:
Very nice. High resoultion inlay and full-color CD label.
Service:
The best part. The CD arrived 6 days after I've sent out the payment. OK, I
live in France, but still.....
Bottom Line:
Counting the days and saving money for Open All Night's upcoming full-show
CDs.
Keep up the good work guys,
Denis B.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:23:49 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Japanese Goodies
Message-ID: <74228aa1.353a9596@aol.com>
If you haven't figured it out by now, Japan has a much wider choice of sheet
music and videos from artists WE LIKE, as opposed to artists MOST PEOPLE LIKE.
I just received my first order of sheet music from Japan. To give you an idea
of what I mean when I say Japan has cooler stuff, I'll list the order I just
received:
Young Guitar - back issue 10/97 w/ John Petrucci and John Myung on the cover
Young Guitar - back issue 9/97 w/ Yngwie Malmsteen on the cover
Young Guitar - back issue 5/97 w/ George Lynch on the cover
Dream Theater - complete BAND score of the ALBUM "A Change of Seasons"
Friedman, Marty - Best of Guitar scores (from Cacophony, solo, and Megadeth)
MacAlpine, Tony - Best of Guitar scores (impossible to find guitar
transcriptions)
Stratovarious - complete BAND score of the album "Episode"
Stratovarious - complete BAND score of the album "Visions"
I also already had the following Japan tab books
Dream Theater - complete BAND score of the album "When Dream and Day Unite"
Dream Theater - complete BAND score of the album "Image and Words"
Dream Theater - complete BAND score of the album "Awake"
as well as various Young Guitar issues.
BAND score does in fact mean ALL instruments (including drums) transcribed.
Now that I am confident I have found a reliable source to buy Japan tab, I am
going to place a SECOND ORDER. I already have a couple of other ytse jammers
interested in ordering with me on this one and I would like to know if anyone
else is interested in getting Japanese tab. If you are, I am willing to place
an order for you also. I will only be doing this ONCE and I will try to do it
in no more than 2-3 weeks from now (time to gather, respond, and confirm
emails). So I if you are interested, send me a personal email and I will send
you my EXACT plan to get the books to you as well as a list I have compiled of
available tab (and videos) from Japan. Besides this initial email, I would
like to keep this off the ytsejam. I will do it for ANYONE inside the US. I
hate to limit it to the US, but it becomes a big hassle to ship out of the US.
Too many forms to fill out, as well as large shipping costs.
I am trying to keep all this brief and concise, so if you are interested -
send me a personal email to calvin6s@aol.com. From there we can take care of
any other questions and orders. Also keep in mind. I AM NOT A BUSINESS. I
am not trying to make a profit here. My only interest is to open a source of
hard to obtain material to the ytsejam. Be forewarned, the email you will
receive from me will be VERY long. The Japanese catalog will be in .txt
format so you can open it in just about any format you prefer.
I am going to make a database of all those interested, and the stage in which
they are in - but I am starting from scratch as of this email. So if you have
shown previous interest, please reiterate your interest with an email to me.
I have received so many emails over the past 4 weeks when I first mentioned it
that I want to see who is serious still. Please be prepared to provide quick
responses. I wouldn't want to hold up the order any longer than it has to be
held. It wouldn't be fair to serious orders to wait on slow (possibly not
serious) orders.
thanks,
Calvin6s@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:29:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Chicago show
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980419192846.15458A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>
is anyone going to the chicago show from omaha??
please email privately..thanks
MikeT
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:03:57 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My instrument's harder than yours .... and bigger too
Message-ID: <6e35094d.353a9eff@aol.com>
i wont copy the who message cause it was huge, but i see your point.. it was
basically a joke, but literally i have never seen drums tabbed anywhere, i
don't read modern drummer magazine, but i can't imagine what the tab for a
drum kit would look like, i do a lot of midi work, so ofcourse i've seen it on
a musical scale, and pretty much got to know which is which as far as snare
bass hihats and cymbals all go, i dont really dabble in the extra stuff like
glockenspiel or those other weird german sounding percussive instruments. i
was just imagining in my head a drum kit the size of MP's and each piece
having a line, i dont know its probably something like atleast a 20 piece set,
and a musical staff only having 5 lines, but spaces and sharps to deal with, i
cant imagine a tab with 20+ lines... bah is anyone even reading this far? i
know i never do, i'll just stop
Rocky
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:39:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd
Message-ID: <199804200239.WAA03492@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, wanted to chime in w/ my opinion on PF... I personally think
that they sound absolutly amazing live, such as on the Pulse CD/video,
but at the same time, I think that they are weak in the studio. I got
Pulse, and after listening to alot of the songs on there, got some of
their studio CDs, Momentary Lapse of Reason and Division Bell, and
think that they can't compare to Pulse... on the other hand, I think
Pulse is one of the most amazing live CD I have ever heardm probably
far ahead of any other live CD that I own..
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:01:15 -0400
From: "Arciniegas" <arciniegasf@cantv.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: to mike portnoy
Message-ID: <01bd6c08$96453ca0$a87bc4a1@default>
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:37:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Krysten DeBroka <kryt@indy.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Road Trip to Cincy and/or Chicago
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980419223406.2459A-100000@indy3>
Hey Indianapolis area jammers,
I'm planning on road tripping to Cincinnati and/or Chicago for
the shows on the 11th and 13th. I thought I'd see if anyone
out there needs a ride. Let me know.
---Krysten
kryt@indy.net
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:42:16 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Demos
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980419204214.006f1758@postoffice.syspac.com>
Mike "nope, only two hands" Portnoy wrote:
>****That is all correct, except for the fact that all the demos were recorded
>at our rehearsal studio at the time in New Jersey....
>(8 track ADAT with me & JP engineering & "producing")
For only 8 track (even though it was ADAT), it sounded friggin' GOOD. In
fact, on the tape I have in the car, the demo of TAMP replaces the album
version. Excellent quality demos.
>However, Some of the other guys don't neccessarily agree and still prefer
>having that "outside ear"...
>it's yet to be decided which way we'll go with next record...
Let's put it to a Ytsejam vote :) I cast my vote for more DT METAL!!
This brings me to a burning question. Okay, look at the progression of
albums...I&W was heavier than WDADU, Awake was heavier than I&W, ACOS was
arguably heavier than Awake (if not heavier, then definitely on the same
level), and then FII is not a heavy album. My question is, was the label
pressure so great that you guys had to go more pop and/or less heavy, or
was it a collective decision to go that route without much label pressure?
Anyway, just got my Dream TheatRE ticket yesterday...FINALLY :) Can't
wait 'till May 20th in Tempe...There's gonna be a bunch of us DT fanatics
throwing a tailgate party in Club Rio's parking lot that afternoon, campin'
out to talk to DT :). Everyone's welcome :)
Laterz,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:18:12 -0500
From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: heya ;-)
Message-ID: <199804200418.VAA27747@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
just yesterday while stopped at a red light, an old pickup truck filled
with a cute couple and their 3 kids pulled up beside me in the left turn
lane and they were beating on their horn and waving at me. out of
curiosity i rolled down my window and said, "Hi!" as it turned out, they
just wanted to know how to pronounce the name on my license plate and what
it meant. they had been trying to figure it out for about a mile. i
explained to them what YTSEJAM is and they turned up the volume on their
cassette deck. i couldn't help but grin after realizing that they were
playing LITS. <grin> it's a small world after all.
ytse_yzzy
there's one more thing that the Monica Lewinsky scandal has proved
...promiscuous aides spread sex!
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:36:15 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT Demos
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980420013054.7044A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Vincent G. LuPone wrote:
> Let's put it to a Ytsejam vote :) I cast my vote for more DT METAL!!
> This brings me to a burning question. Okay, look at the progression of
> albums...I&W was heavier than WDADU, Awake was heavier than I&W, ACOS was
> arguably heavier than Awake (if not heavier, then definitely on the same
> level), and then FII is not a heavy album. My question is, was the label
> pressure so great that you guys had to go more pop and/or less heavy, or
> was it a collective decision to go that route without much label pressure?
Gee.. this is the point where we're gonna fight! :-) Ding! First
round! :-)
Seriously, I prefer more progressive stuff than metal material. Of
course, preference doesn't mean that I *only* want to listen to
progressive rock, but there's plenty of bands doing heavy metal (in many,
many, many senses: black metal, death metal, progressive metal, melodic
heavy metal, doom metal, blue metal :-) , pink metal :-), gay metal,
lesbic metal :-) and so on) and I'm still trying to find a band that does
purely progressive rock these days.
Perhaps most bands do metal music because that's what the kids
wanna hear.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:11:41 +0200
From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
To: DT mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bootleg purchase advise needed
Message-ID: <353A4C6D.3D05@wxs.nl>
Hi all,
Soon I will be going to a record fair were no doubt I will be able to
buy a couple of bootlegs. I need some advise from those among you who
have good bootlegs in their collection so that I can pinpoint my
searches. Last year I got the phenomenal "Saints and Sinners" QR bootleg
(off the PL tour), which I'd read about on the Jam. I trust your musical
opinions, so please tell me.
My musical taste includes QR, DT (of course), My Dying Bride, Deep
Purple, Rainbow, guitarists (Becker, Malmsteen, Vai, Satriani, Stump).
If there are any phenomenal bootlegs I don't know about, tell me what
their titles are. Phenomenal bootlegs in my opinion are "S&S" (QR),
"Guitar Killer" (Satriani), "As 6 1/2" (Vai), "Kiss the Sky" (Malmsteen)
and DT's "Lost in the Sky". If you know of excellent bootlegs of bands
you are not sure I am into, just tell me as well :-)
Or maybe there's a "guide to excellent bootlegs" site on the net
somewhere?
Cheers...thanks for your time. A message to my private email address
instead of to the 'Jam would be much appreciated, even though such a
thread might be beneficial to other Jammers too.
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