YTSEJAM Digest 3760
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3751
by DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3751
by DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3752
by DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3751
by DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
5) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
6) Re: Mumblings and Jumblings
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
7) Sony stuff
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
8) Re: Peter Hammill live
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
9) Brands of equipment
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
10) First SG
by Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se>
11) Re:Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure
by Lucas Perroni <gzr@uground.org>
12) killmary's problem
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
13) On Sony and Schizophrenia
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
14) Sony Walkmans (NDTC)
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
15) Tempe show
by Ryan Roehrich <ryan@futureone.com>
16) BUY MYSTIC FISHOOK NOW
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
17) Re: BUY MYSTIC FISHOOK NOW
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
18) Re: Oi!
by big perm <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:46:47 EDT
From: DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3751
Message-ID: <9b500a1d.35385a69@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-15 23:58:27 EDT, you write:
<< Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:34:25 -0400
To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage Boot
Message-ID: <35357C41.B092610D@caribe.net> >>
How about a live board DAT from Japan? Dead Winter Dead tour....
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:46:46 EDT
From: DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3751
Message-ID: <37cc8c9d.35385a68@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-15 23:58:27 EDT, you write:
<< Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:08:43 -0400
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: bootleg issue
Message-ID: <35355A1B.A7F8F182@ici.net>
>>
*dick*
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:46:49 EDT
From: DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3752
Message-ID: <da16769d.35385a6b@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-16 08:06:42 EDT, you write:
<< Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:51:21 -0400 (EDT)
To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A warning to Mike Portnoy
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980415235005.25219D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
>>
Hey Mike...you listenin'? EEE!
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:46:47 EDT
From: DOPDAT <DOPDAT@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3751
Message-ID: <9c54c1d.35385a69@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-15 23:58:27 EDT, you write:
<< Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:35:16 -0300 (EST)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bootlegs
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.3.96.980415223342.1655A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br> >>
that's because the bootlegs usually sound amazing!!
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:53:59 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980418175359.006c7c58@powerup.com.au>
Rogerio wrote about Josh writing about myself, when I said:
>> >> Are Opeth really a death metal band? Or just a metal band with death
>>
>> Ok, I'm not an English major, but I see this all the time and I can't
stand
>> it. Isn't the name of a band singular? Wouldn't the proper tense be "Is
>> Opeth really..."? Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I thought. Even when
>
> Well, I also think this way, but there are arguments for both
>sides of the discussion. I know how Portuguese works here, but I can't
>really help with English, since I have never studied English grammar,
>unfortunately (this doesn't mean I don't want to study English -- just
>that I didn't do that in the past).
Well, I've been speaking for most of my life (for the first few months of
my life I was fluent in French) and I've always said, "Opeth are" instead
of "Opeth is". Why? Because Opeth *are* a group of musicians. You
couldn't really say, "Opeth is a group of musicians", could you? Well, I'm
probably wrong, but I couldn't really give a fudge.
In other news:
I sprained my ankle last night, and now I'm in agony. If I have to miss
Metallica on Monday night because of this, then I will, just for the hell
of it, kill one of my fellow workers on Tuesday. You heard it hear first.
Not that any of my fellow workers were responsible - I was walking to the
car last night and slipped on some wet grass. Ouch.
According to my brother, my ankle is *not* broken because, as he told me,
"You'd know if it was." How the hell am I supposed to know if I've never
broken it before?
Now my *other* ankle is hurting because I've been hopping around on *that*
foot.
I'll be sacrificing one of our two cats this evening to appease the gods
with the hope that they will heal my injury in time for Monday night.
Fingers crossed...
Spiff
PS: Yes, this is the single weirdest thing I have ever posted here. Or
maybe not. Thank you for asking.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:04:49 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <35385EA1.E425AC6F@sydney.net>
Nigel Bridgeman wrote:
> I sprained my ankle last night, and now I'm in agony. If I have to miss
> Metallica on Monday night because of this, then I will, just for the hell
> of it, kill one of my fellow workers on Tuesday. You heard it hear first.
Spiff, you can always sit down at the gig, you will anyway when
Metallica
break into their country & western mini-set..
So don't be such a girlie-blousse and go, it's not like we have any
other
bands to look forward to see, have we ?
:)
graham
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:47:19 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sony stuff
Message-ID: <35386897.C575BFD@netvision.net.il>
Hi there!
Well, I got a sony Discman over a year ago. My little bro got one too.
(the same model, D-247).
Last month my bro's Discman went insane; Every button you press only
does one action: pause or stop.
Two weeks ago my Discman fucked up too: It skips parts of songs
without any reason, even if it stands still on a goddamn table, although
it has an ESP system.
It seems ridiculous to think so but it seems like a sony conspiracy:
two Discmans fuck up at the same time, just after the warrenty expires?
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:15:47 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Peter Hammill live Message-ID: <v01540b00b15e2ccb9835@[205.134.227.93]>
Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> wrote;
>Just got back from the Peter Hammill's show over here!!! I can only say >that this man really rules!!!!! I never thought that 1 (one!!!) man can >hold the audience attention for 2 hours non-stop - that's what he did!!! He >had noone else on stage and he had no sequencers or drum-machines or >whatever to play with - just piano and voice or guitar and voice and he >really ruled, but I guess people who attended his shows know what I mean!!!
It's nice to hear someone mentioned about VDGG and Hammill on the Ytsejam. I understand what you meant. I am a huge VDGG fan. I have seen their live video in the 70's era with David Jackson on 2 saxophones, really cool!
Regarding Hammill's voice, I think he is getting old and his voice is less aggressive these days. You can hear some examples from the new album of David Cross "Exiles" (the ex-violinist of King Crimson) that has John Wetton and Peter Hammill on vocals.
I hope that Hammill and VDGG will do some reunion tours in the States some day.
Take care, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:41:15 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Brands of equipment Message-ID: <3538834B.3495@goodnet.com>
Hi all.
Not much time to play around in e-mail today, but I wanted to chime my two cents in, as the perspective of someone who absolutely depends on consumer electronic products to earn my living. Even the non-boot stuff I do is stereo-intensive (I have done DAT tape and CD master work for local bands on the side, such as Misdemeanor and Drunk Somewhere, from time to time).
My experience is that most consumer electronics are made well enough to pass QC, but not well enough to stand up under repetitive long-term use. That said, it's tough for people to be expected to maintain equipment they know nothing about. The key is education. Just a little soldering iron, power meter, and component circuit type knowledges goes a very long way. Case in point: I bought a dual cassette Technics tape deck at a thrift store for one dollar, because they said it didn't work. The thing was just tits... it had remote, feather-touch-everything, dolby B C S HX you name it, and even had pitch and speed adjustments available on the front panel! I loved the thing! I figured I could just take it to Radio Shack or something and have their repair shop fix it for $50 and I'd have a $200 deck for $51 total out of pocket. Imagine my surprise when I popped the cover, saw two places on the motherboards where the wiring had broken free of its contact points, soldered both in place, and found the thing to work as good as new. Like I said, I'm no MacGyver, I'm really a greenhorn with a toolbox, but a little knowledge goes a long way. Such is the case with consumer electronics. Even if you don't resuscitate a dead laserdisc player you found at the dump (heh) at least you might be able to save your VCR from total death with a voltmeter and some solder and a good schematic if all that's wrong is a blown mosfet or something (I don't even think VCRs have mosfet circuits, but you get the idea).
For what they're worth, my Sony D7 DAT recorder and Sony single-cassette 3-head deck have both worked wonderfully from day one, but these are usually considered top-shelf Sony prods, stuff not all people really need or want. My Playstation on the other hand... you all heard that story already. Lucky for me turning it upside down makes it work acceptably well. Finally, the Sony CDU76S CD-Rom reader I have in one of my CDR systems is hands down the best reader I've ever used, even more reliable and accurate than its Plextor companion on the other side. The epilogue to this is that I own THREE dead Sony dual-cassette decks that used to be parts of my stereo component system (now all-Pioneer, just because I wanted the remotes to work easier).
The two companies I've been happiest with lately as pertains to tech prods have been Teac and Plextor. No two companies have done more to make the life of a CD maker easier. Their new readers and writers are the best stuff available at the consumer level right now, and aren't too expensive either. You could do a lot worse than a Teac or Plextor drive, be it CD-ROM, CDR, or DVD (where applicable).
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:08:31 +0200 From: Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: First SG Message-ID: <v03102801b15e54e1aed8@[130.237.155.14]>
Hello!
In my book Shadow Gallery's first album is not far behind Carved in Stone in quality. The sound is not as good, and the album is maybe not as focused as a whole, but songs like Dance of Fools, Darktown, Mystified and especially Say Goodbye to the Morning are must-haves for any fan of Carved in Stone.
Michael Karlsson
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:53:53 -0300 From: Lucas Perroni <gzr@uground.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure Message-ID: <3538B071.8FF75CF5@uground.org>
> From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
> > Well, today I was hearing the Liquid Tension Experiment CD and there is > > a song called "Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure". So I started to > > wonder: "Would 'Chris and Kevin' be an allusion for the ex-DT/ Majesty > > members Chris Collins and Kevin Moore? > > I have been wondering about this myself. I assume that Kevin refers > to Kevin Shirley, but I don't know who Chris is. Maybe it's someone > else who was there during the recording sessions (running the tape or > helping them set up or whatever). Anyone know the answer or have a > better guess?
Maybe you are right, but was Kevin Shirley on studio with them when the song was composed (or jammed)? I understood that they were in studio during a week of September and then Kevin Shirley mixed it at the Avatar Studios in November!
> From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
> I was kinda wondering about this also. I took Kevin to be Kevin Shirley, > and Im still not sure who Chris refers to. > > If you were right, Lucas, Then shouldnt it be "Chris and Charlie and > Kevin's Excellent Adventure?"
Well, if you think like this, you will have to include Jordan Rudess himself on this list, along with Steve Stone among few others. Chris, Charlie, Steve,(...), Kevin and Jordan's Excellent Adventure is too big for title of a song. Maybe they choosed only two "lucky guys" from this list for the title of the song.
> From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
> Heh heh, do you KNOW just how many Chris's are on this list? Do you > know just how many of 'em would like to say, "IT'S ABOUT ME DAMMIT!" > > :) I uh, helped uh...catching Mike Portnoy's spit in the studio, > running around with a little Winnie the Pooh dixie cup. Honest work for > an honest day's pay.
:-)
Well, maybe the better person to clear this all is MP himself...
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:57:38 -0400 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: killmary's problem Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980418115738.006a1974@scott.skidmore.edu>
Heh heh...Floyd Rose...heh heh.
<just got her Wilkinson bridge in the mail...w00t!>
Erica
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ Check here for the mp3 of the week! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:41:12 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: On Sony and Schizophrenia Message-ID: <352E0558.B4BE702E@geocities.com>
Hola!
> ------------------------------ > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> > Subject: On Sony and Schizophrenia
> Gee... I swear I could sleep without that... :-) My CD player > sucks big time because the fucking thing is never able to play CDs from > start to finish without that "skipping effect". It just randomly chooses > :-))) the point it likes most on the CD and keep returning to that. > So, I don't think that those Sony stereos are that bad: I bought a > CD player and what I got not only a CD player but also a device that > indicates me which are the best parts of my CDs.
I've been thinking about putting up one of those CD collections they sell all the time on TV, naming it "The Fabulous Sony Unplayables!!!" :-) Featuring the following: - Steve Vai's Fire Garden (tell me about not finding the first track...) - Megadeth's Cryptic Writings - Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction (Sony sure does not like them) - Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys Part II - Shadow Gallery's Carved in Stone
And many more!!! :-)
NP: Opeth's Silhouette (in .MP3) - yeah, that song is great. :-)
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@geocities.com | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:53:35 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sony Walkmans (NDTC) Message-ID: <352E083F.D9317ECC@geocities.com>
Hi there!
I know this thread is old enough, but...
> ------------------------------ > From: "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com> > Subject: Bashing Sony
> changed the way the auto-reverse works. it used to be a rubbery button > we had to push, and now it's more like a switch. The thing is, it > didn,t seem to work properly. When the tape switched sides, it just > kept one switching and switching and switching. But hell, I tell myself > it's just a defective item out of the lot. So here I go back to the
Hmmm... well, my walkman sometimes tend to like to keep switching sides, even in the middle of a song. It really bugs me, but it's not too frequent and it usually stops quickly. :-) Anyway, it's a problem.
NP: Empty Tremor's Running Rusty Rails (.MP3) - yeah, cool! :-)
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@geocities.com | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:30:55 -0700 From: Ryan Roehrich <ryan@futureone.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tempe show Message-ID: <199804181729.KAA24071@future.futureone.com>
K..this is from Clubrio..anyone know who Full On The Mouth is?
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:22:36 -0400 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Boston Jammers <bostonjam@dreamt.org>, Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: BUY MYSTIC FISHOOK NOW Message-ID: <3538EF6B.F441DAFD@bu.edu>
Mystic Fishook is an amazing progressive band from Boston. They have it all: great songwriting, chops, and amazing songs. I just got the CD last night, and I have not stopped listening to them. I've heard the disc at least four of five times (it's 32 minutes). The CD has eight songs, but it is filled with enough balls n' chunk, keyboards, cool vocals, and musicianship to suit all your needs.
You can get Mystic Fishook's CD buy contacting the band at mysticfshk@aol.com. They are nice guys too. I met two of them last night. The CD is only $8. Do yourself a favor and e-mail them and send $8. You will not be disappointed.
Isaac
-- "Should you lose this hand in an industrial accident, save it for me!" -- Roland T. Flakfizer
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:37:19 EDT From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com> To: bostonjam@dreamt.org, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: BUY MYSTIC FISHOOK NOW Message-ID: <7386c3c1.3538f2e1@aol.com>
They'll have a full length version of the CD out relatively soon (I believe they're recording now, but ask Jay or Matt), with 10 tunes, rather than 8.
Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:05:04 -0500 From: big perm <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Oi! Message-ID: <v03130302b15ea86d11dd@[144.92.96.189]>
My goodness, initially I thought this was a blatant reference to that wonderful Ozric Tentacles song. But alas, just a simple attention getter methinks.
BTW, anyone have any OT shows to trade? I've got quite a few, and am anxiously looking for more, greedy sonofabitch that I am. OT are the greatest thing to happen to me lately since...hmm...well... I guess since...ever. They're just good, so go buy some. There's my unrelenting Ozrics plug for the day.
Hope to see many of you at the Vic show.
All the best... David Plotkin
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