YTSEJAM Digest 3759
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Re: Sony is crap
by Music707 <Music707@aol.com>
2) DT at the electric factory in phila
by Music707 <Music707@aol.com>
3) Re:
by Music707 <Music707@aol.com>
4) my final wordz on stereo crud
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
5) Re: Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
6) JBL & Sony (ndtc)
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
7) Liquid Tension (Reprise)
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
8) Does anyone know????
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
9) Sony? No thanks. (NDTC)
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
10) On Sony and Schizophrenia
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
11) The adventure.
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
12) Re: Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
13) Uh, did you guys notice?
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
14) grammar boy gets anal
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
15) kevmo
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
16) Bashing Sony
by "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com>
17) Bashing Sony
by "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com>
18) Re: grammar boy gets anal
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:39:14 EDT
From: Music707 <Music707@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Re: Sony is crap
Message-ID: <8a55f830.3537cc04@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/17/98 8:37:44 PM, you wrote:
>
>I haven't had a problem with Sony yet. Scratch that, I had a Sony CD Player
>for 10 years and then it died. I wouldn't consider a product life of 10
years
>a problem.
I love sonys line of stuff, i just recently purchased a MD recorder to add to
my home studio, the thing is great, and well worth the money
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:40:49 EDT
From: Music707 <Music707@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT at the electric factory in phila
Message-ID: <bf14c6b1.3537cc65@aol.com>
am going to the show on may 9, any idea who is opening>?
707
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:45:03 EDT
From: Music707 <Music707@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <b5102cb2.3537cd60@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/17/98 9:42:28 PM, you wrote:
>
>>Someone mentioned self produced bands... I think Queensr=FFche's Promised=
>> Land
>>is the best example of how a band can be self produced, sound great and put
>>out what is arguably (very arguably for some, not me) the best album in
>>their career.
Ill second that, the Pl disc was fabulous, especially knowing that they had to
top empire which was very well recorded. I think PL has a much more colorful
sound, their tour to support that disc was also quite an experiance
707
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:55:28 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my final wordz on stereo crud
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980417115528.006a0ccc@scott.skidmore.edu>
>Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:14:32 -0400
>From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: Sony
>Message-ID: <353690D8.2FB7@mtu.edu>
>> The best
>> home equipment is the bizarre stuff you find in AUDIO or STEREOPHILE
>> magazines hehe (yay Pioneer Elite! ;).
>If you want true stereophile, pioneer elite will not cut it. Try some of
>the links below for true audio/videophile products.
>http://www.faroudja.com/
>http://www.marantz.com/
>http://www.meridian.co.uk/index.htm
>That stuff is crazy, even though most of them do not have MSRP listed,
>they are many, may thousands of dollars. The faroudja line
Hey, don't flame me!
Actually, *I* am not a stereophile, but my father is. You will find
however, that Pioneer Elite is consistently reviewed (quite positively) in
the stereophile magazines. I was referring to my old Pioneer Elite CD
player which got damaged in shipping, but still works well, for the most
part. The best thing about them is a) they are quite well built and
reliable, and b) they have sweet converters.
My father has magnapans and a pair of literally UNIQUE Nelson Reed
speakers, along with all the other crazy stereo crap he has...he knows what
he's doing, and we have a lot of pioneer elite. >;p It may not be TOP of
the audio lines by far, but, for it's relative price, pioneer elite rox nadz.
Denon receivers also rock nadz; they may not be some little unique
stereophile brand, but we have 2 in our household, and we have NEVER had
ANY problems. Damn, these things are getting pretty old too.
<<<KNOCK ON WOOD!!!>>> ;)
Erica
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Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:31:20 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure
Message-ID: <199804172237.PAA10581@baygate.bayarea.net>
> Well, today I was hearing the Liquid Tension Experiment CD and there is
> a song called "Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure". So I started to
> wonder: "Would 'Chris and Kevin' be an allusion for the ex-DT/ Majesty
> members Chris Collins and Kevin Moore?
I have been wondering about this myself. I assume that Kevin refers
to Kevin Shirley, but I don't know who Chris is. Maybe it's someone
else who was there during the recording sessions (running the tape or
helping them set up or whatever). Anyone know the answer or have a
better guess?
-Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:37:22 -0400
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JBL & Sony (ndtc)
Message-ID: <l03130304b15d85ed22fb@bootp-184-229.bootp.virginia.edu>
Mosh, Ph.D, wrote:
> On the Eve of Destruction, Jon Parmet said:
> >
> >Gimme my old Technics receiver back!!! With that two ton heavy analog
> >dial thing to tune with. I'll also take JBL, Onkyo, Yamaha, Bang &
> >Olufson, KLH anyday!
>
> JBL Receiver?? Did they make them back in the stone ages or something?
Yes, they made them back in the stone ages, and as a result those JBLs have
an absolutely primal, bruising, prehistoric kind of raw animal power to
them. My parents have this clunky-ass old JBL stereo with clunky-ass JBL
speakers and about 50 million clunky-ass frayed wires in the back with
plugs and jacks they don't even MAKE anymore, with 2 clunky-ass EQ knobs
(just treble and bass) -- and that stereo makes the fucking house shake,
when the volume's only half-up. Unreal.
With the CD player hooked up to that bastard, I've played Dream Theater,
Pantera, Prong, and other heavy stuff (stuff that the JBL designers of the
early 70s could never have foreseen) and it's heavy and clear beyond
belief. It's like a concert PA. Incredible shit. And the stereo's lasted
like over 25 years. Newer and sleeker isn't always better. It defies all
audiophile logic, I know, but I am being nice to my parents so they'll
leave me that stereo in their will.
The only Sony product I currently have is a pair of Sony headphones (for my
Panasonic discman), and the goddamn foam earpiece things keep falling off.
Man, Sony sucks.
Scotch.
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:09:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Liquid Tension (Reprise)
Message-ID: <199804172309.TAA17164@grex.cyberspace.org>
Okay, Okay....
So LTE has been out a month and in an altered state I post the jam
asking if anyone's heard it. Yadda yadda yadda.
1. I haven't been on this list for about 6 months (Hmmm that puts
it at about the time I got to meetthe guys in DT)
2. The reason for not being on the list was too much mail from
Jammerz who were posting too much info on why things with NDTC suck.
3. I use to work in a CD store and was up to date on release
dates, but now that I've come to my senses and put that reatil crap behind
me, I haven't been keeping up on it.
So, say what you will, LTE still rocks! --
Check out my band Elsinore's homepage and
join our email update list.
http://members.home.com/lmkaufman/elsinore
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:09:49 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Does anyone know????
Message-ID: <512faab2.3537e13f@aol.com>
does anyone know if the Jaxx and Daytona's DT shows are confirmed yet??? if
not do you know where i can find out? oh and by the way i have a sony reciever
and cd player, and it sounds fine with my bose speakers, but then again i
can't blast it in an apartment surrounded by old people.
Rocky
http://www.iban.nu
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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:57:08 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sony? No thanks. (NDTC)
Message-ID: <352D8A84.C0857F2E@geocities.com>
Hi there jammerz!!!
It's nice to see this thread in the jam (really, I'd prefer it not to
be nice, but, as far as the things goes...), as, some time ago, I
thought I was the most unlucky person in the whole earth.
First of all, I have a Sony walkman, and it has never had any problems
at ALL. And my PC monitor is a Sony, which is a hell of a monitor.
The big problem comes to my stereo: after about 2 years of use, it just
stopped playing some o my CD's. I thought, at first, "fuck, I bought
this thing and it's already scratched..." But, testing the thing in some
other CD players I have at home, everything was perfect.
(BTW, my PC CD-ROM seems to be pretty good, as even the Angra "Holy
Land" CD, which did not play in ANY other CD player of mine, played
perfectly here... Anyway, I already bought the japanese release, and
it's fine now. :-) )
So, when that happened, I went to the tech. One month later (slow work
or what?) the stereo was back at home. supposedly working. It worked
fine for about 1 year (or less, can't remember now.)
This was last year's july. Andd, from then till now, I haven't seen the
stereo back on my desk anymore.
It has been sent to many of Sony's authorized techs, and even to SONY
ITSELF, and no one could fix it.
I'm just waiting for it to come back from my last attempt to sell it to
some used crap shop around here. I won't get 1/10 of what I paid for
it... But, I'll be able to nuy a decent player (I'm lookin after some
Pioneer stuff - my car stereo rocks, or some Panasonic's I've seen that
look pretty cool.)
And that's not the same case I've seen.
I've seen that problem in a same model as mine (hi Rogerio!!! :) ), in
a inferior model of the same family, and in a 5-CD caroussel of a
friend.
I tried to contact Sony through the web, and they never answered me.
Call that customer support... (Sony's support here in Brazil has NEVER
been ANY good.)
Just my $.04 (kinda long post on NDTC :-) ) on the subject.
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@geocities.com | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:00:03 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: On Sony and Schizophrenia Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980417205023.18044A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> And that's not the same case I've seen. > I've seen that problem in a same model as mine (hi Rogerio!!! :) ), in > a inferior model of the same family, and in a 5-CD caroussel of a > friend.
Gee... I swear I could sleep without that... :-) My CD player sucks big time because the fucking thing is never able to play CDs from start to finish without that "skipping effect". It just randomly chooses :-))) the point it likes most on the CD and keep returning to that.
So, I don't think that those Sony stereos are that bad: I bought a CD player and what I got not only a CD player but also a device that indicates me which are the best parts of my CDs.
The only problem is that perhaps it chooses some parts... Well, what do you think of this Megadeth piece:
"Hello, me?" "Hello, me?" "Hello, me?" "Hello, me?" ...
So, I suffer of schizophrenia: I never got to "meet the *real* me". :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:12:00 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The adventure. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980417171200.007cfa70@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Lucas Perroni <gzr@uground.org>
>Well, today I was hearing the Liquid Tension Experiment CD and there is >a song called "Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure". So I started to >wonder: "Would 'Chris and Kevin' be an allusion for the ex-DT/ Majesty >members Chris Collins and Kevin Moore?
I was kinda wondering about this also. I took Kevin to be Kevin Shirley, and Im still not sure who Chris refers to.
If you were right, Lucas, Then shouldnt it be "Chris and Charlie and Kevin's Excellent Adventure?"
Just a thought.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:37:15 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chris And Kevin's Excellent Adventure Message-ID: <3537F5BB.B1362BBA@imap1.asu.edu>
> I assume that Kevin refers > to Kevin Shirley, but I don't know who Chris is. Maybe it's someone > else who was there during the recording sessions (running the tape or > helping them set up or whatever). Anyone know the answer or have a > better guess?
Heh heh, do you KNOW just how many Chris's are on this list? Do you know just how many of 'em would like to say, "IT'S ABOUT ME DAMMIT!"
:) I uh, helped uh...catching Mike Portnoy's spit in the studio, running around with a little Winnie the Pooh dixie cup. Honest work for an honest day's pay.
~Eckie loves ya like a hootenanny
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:01:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Uh, did you guys notice? Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980417205357.71332A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
On the Web page for the Bronco Bowl <www.broncobowl.com> it says that DT is tentatively scheduled for Sunday, May 24, not May 23 as we had expected. After I figured this out, I called the Sunken Gardens box office (San Antonio) to find out when DT was scheduled, and they said DT is (again, tentatively) scheduled for May 23. If this pans out, it's gonna suck driving from Dallas to Houston Sunday night and getting in at 4 am. I'm sure when things are finalized, we'll hear from Mike P. himself. (Hi, btw! Hope I didn't steal your thunder.) Don't make your travel plans just yet! Keep watching my page for more things I can find out.
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Assistant Editor of Dateline Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : a student publication of the Undergrad Professional Writing Major : University of Houston-Downtown stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu -or- ytsekirby@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:16:07 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: grammar boy gets anal Message-ID: <01IVZRKUDNYQ000ABR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 17-APR-1998 23:10:10
>> Are Opeth really a death metal band? Or just a metal band with death
Ok, I'm not an English major, but I see this all the time and I can't stand it. Isn't the name of a band singular? Wouldn't the proper tense be "Is Opeth really..."? Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I thought. Even when it's awkward, like for example, The Sisters Of Mercy, shouldn't that still be "The Sisters Of Mercy *is* a band"? We're not talking about actuall sisters, we're talking about a name of a singular object. Right?
Josh of the jungle
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:27:31 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: kevmo Message-ID: <01IVZRYE2SYW000ABR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 17-APR-1998 23:20:56
ManIcan'twaittogetdeadairforradiowhenitcomesoutIcan'twaitIcan'twaitIcan't!
whew.
Now, I don't want to turn this into 90210 or anything but I can't find the info anywhere so could someone kindly fill me in: Did KM go out with Tori Amos or what? Yeah, I know her name is mentioned in the chromakey demo(or *someone* named tori, anyway. could'a been spelling I guess) but that's not a confirmation and I was just curious. Cuz I think that would be really cool. I could say to all my tori-fan friends that she dated the keyboardist of that metal band I'm always listening to.
Inquiring Joshes want to know.
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:59:14 PDT From: "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bashing Sony Message-ID: <19980418045915.19422.qmail@hotmail.com>
OK. I jump in.
I got one of those big yellow walkmen for my 16th birthday (almost 5 years ago). And I just LOVED it! Never had any trouble, except for the battery door which was broken. It worked wonderfully, even after being roughly dropped on concrete about a thousand times. So, when it finally broke down last winter after working nearly 24/7 for over 4 years, no wonder I decided to get a new one.
They didn't make that model anymore?? No prob! I bought the one the guy told me was the equivalent. I come back home, and when I open it, the first thing I notice is the interior part. It's one of those cheap plastics which break easily. But het, it makes the thing lighter, so what the hell. Trouble startsabout 2 days after I bought it. They changed the way the auto-reverse works. it used to be a rubbery button we had to push, and now it's more like a switch. The thing is, it didn,t seem to work properly. When the tape switched sides, it just kept one switching and switching and switching. But hell, I tell myself it's just a defective item out of the lot. So here I go back to the store and explain that to the guy. Of course, the thing worked perfectly while I was trying to prove him it was not. But he was nice enough to exchange it anyway (probably sold it to someone else!) The new one... well, it did exactly the same thing. So I guess it,s just a fabrication defect. I didn't even bother bringing it back. Wasn't worth the gas it would have cost me to get there. But now, I have to use it as a regular walkman, switching the tape at the end of each side. Which bothers me, because I could have get the non-auto-reverse model for about 20$ less. Oh well. I guess I'm just too stupid to stand up and complain directly...
Sorry for the long post...
Take care!
Steph =:)
(Yes, a lady jammer... I didn't answer before...)
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:59:14 PDT From: "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bashing Sony Message-ID: <19980418045916.15279.qmail@hotmail.com>
OK. I jump in.
I got one of those big yellow walkmen for my 16th birthday (almost 5 years ago). And I just LOVED it! Never had any trouble, except for the battery door which was broken. It worked wonderfully, even after being roughly dropped on concrete about a thousand times. So, when it finally broke down last winter after working nearly 24/7 for over 4 years, no wonder I decided to get a new one.
They didn't make that model anymore?? No prob! I bought the one the guy told me was the equivalent. I come back home, and when I open it, the first thing I notice is the interior part. It's one of those cheap plastics which break easily. But het, it makes the thing lighter, so what the hell. Trouble startsabout 2 days after I bought it. They changed the way the auto-reverse works. it used to be a rubbery button we had to push, and now it's more like a switch. The thing is, it didn,t seem to work properly. When the tape switched sides, it just kept one switching and switching and switching. But hell, I tell myself it's just a defective item out of the lot. So here I go back to the store and explain that to the guy. Of course, the thing worked perfectly while I was trying to prove him it was not. But he was nice enough to exchange it anyway (probably sold it to someone else!) The new one... well, it did exactly the same thing. So I guess it's just a fabrication defect. I didn't even bother bringing it back. Wasn't worth the gas it would have cost me to get there. But now, I have to use it as a regular walkman, switching the tape at the end of each side. Which bothers me, because I could have get the non-auto-reverse model for about 20$ less. Oh well. I guess I'm just too stupid to stand up and complain directly...
Sorry for the long post...
Take care!
Steph =:)
(Yes, a lady jammer... I didn't answer before...)
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:05:17 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: grammar boy gets anal Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980418024613.19185B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU wrote:
> >> Are Opeth really a death metal band? Or just a metal band with death > > Ok, I'm not an English major, but I see this all the time and I can't stand > it. Isn't the name of a band singular? Wouldn't the proper tense be "Is > Opeth really..."? Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I thought. Even when
Well, I also think this way, but there are arguments for both sides of the discussion. I know how Portuguese works here, but I can't really help with English, since I have never studied English grammar, unfortunately (this doesn't mean I don't want to study English -- just that I didn't do that in the past).
Anyway, at least in Portuguese, the correct form is "Opeth is a COOL :-) band, which has a brand new mailing list called Nectar :-)", since you're talking about an entity. But it's also acceptable (but not rigorously correct according to the rules of formal grammar, and only poets and writers can use that as the so-called "poetry license") to say "Opeth are a very cool band because their music is worth the work of many death metal bands", where the person saying this is using something called ideological concordance.
> it's awkward, like for example, The Sisters Of Mercy, shouldn't that still > be "The Sisters Of Mercy *is* a band"? We're not talking about actuall > sisters, we're talking about a name of a singular object. Right?
Again, I don't know how English works (while I really think that it isn't that different from what I said -- or at least almost everyone comprehend me and don't point me this kind of errors in my messages). :-)
> Josh of the jungle
[]s, Roger...
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