YTSEJAM Digest 3766
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Disgusted at DT.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) The current Fates Warning tour
by Barbara Schnepf <BSchnepf@tbwa-europe.com>
3) Whingers ;)
by "Daniel Koo" <z2228593@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au>
4) Re: Grammar crap, Deep Purple tour
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
5) Van Halen Live in Sydney, 20-4-98 Some Spoilers
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
6) Re: Disgusted at DT.
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
7) Re: The current Fates Warning tour
by Marc van der Wal <bigpapa@dds.nl>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3764
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
9) Hey, wait a minute... I'm not subscribed to Echoes...
by "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
10) Autographs?
by "Matt" <midas28@voicenet.com>
11) Re: Autographs?
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
12) Is DT Metal?
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
13) A PLEA to Mike Portnoy
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
14) Lezbefriends
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
15) Re: Disgusted at DT.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) delusional EROTOMANIA is no excuse for murder
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
17) Afterlife
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
18) J?rgen
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:52:43 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Disgusted at DT.
Message-ID: <353B532B.99B4247F@caribe.net>
CP Parnham wrote:
> Hello 'Jammers,
> I've been away from the computer for the last 4 weeks so I have alot of
> catching up to do but first I would like to get something off my chest.
> I've never seen DT live before but the perfect opportunity arose on April
> 14th at Rock City in Nottingham, UK. I was home from University and so were
> all my college friends and we ALL had tickets/travel plans etc and guess
> what happened? The gig was CANCELLED on the actual day!!! We were all near
> suicidal at this news, and it took a long time for it to settle in. I still
> can't believe it even now, and I've just read Graham Borland's comments
> from the Glasgow gig and all I can say is that DT, or Rock City, has robbed
> DT fans of an experience they will never forget, or in this case, and
> experience they will never even witness!
>
errrrr....should we let mr portnoy flame his ass off himself for not reading Mike's own
explanation BEFORE going off and saying he's disgusted with DT?? If you were out of it for
4 weeks...couldnt you check before.. expecting an explanation on the jam (which is always
likely where one could get the facts up front) but nooo
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:10:13 +0100
From: Barbara Schnepf <BSchnepf@tbwa-europe.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The current Fates Warning tour
Message-ID: <s53b6567.028@tbwa-europe.com>
To all of the German listies - you'll never know what you are missing if you don't go to one of the remaining Fates Warning shows (24.4. Offenbach, 25.4. Berlin, 26.4. Bremen). I was at three of their shows this weekend and THEY BLEW ME AWAY. The two-hours-setlist contains among many other songs "A pleasant shade of Gray" AND "Ivory Gate of Dreams" in their entirety. A must see for any prog fan.
Barbara
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:05:41 +0000
From: "Daniel Koo" <z2228593@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Whingers ;)
Message-ID: <199804201506.BAA19888@rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU>
Go there:
http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/REPAIR/
and learn how to troubleshoot/repair your SONY (or whatever brand)
equipment.
:P
Dan
sanded-down-saddle + 12-53s ... shred time! hehe
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works
of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet,
we know this is not true."
--Robert Wilensky, University of California
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Grammar crap, Deep Purple tour
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980420081122.9967A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Graham Borland wrote:
>
>> From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
>> Subject: Comas / Philly / Research
>>
>> That's spelled "comma". Two "m's". He sure doesn't need a coma there. :-o
> ^^^
>
>And you sure don't need an apostrophe there either. My pet hate: people
>who can't pluralise! ;-)
actually, I think you would need an apostrophe there.
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:42:13 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>, freaks@ax.com
Subject: Van Halen Live in Sydney, 20-4-98 Some Spoilers
Message-ID: <353B5EC5.F1ED9465@sydney.net>
Well it's not often that I get to review a gig for you, Van Halen
were kind enough to visit Australia and Sydney for the first time
tonight.
The 12,000 capacity Sydney Entertainment Centre was just about full
and from the open riffs of 'Unchained' to the closing 'Jump' the band
had the audience eating out of there hand :)
The whole show was brilliant, from sound, lights and band performance.
Highlights were many: Alex's drum solo and performance in general,
Gary singing and stage presence, until tonight I wasn't a fan, he won
me over tonight. EVH proving that he still is 'the' guitar hero.
The setlist was choker full of classics including: Meanstreet,
Dance The Night Away and Mike Anthony on lead vocals for
'Somebody Get Me A Doctor'.
Surprises: Gary's singing, the classics and a loud audience.
In all the best concert I have ever seen ever :)
graham
PS the gig was filmed by MTV america.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:22:06 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Disgusted at DT.
Message-ID: <e4a7ae83.353b6821@aol.com>
SOMEBODY FORWARD THIS GUY MIKE'S EXPLANATION!!!
Art
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:31:30 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Marc van der Wal <bigpapa@dds.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The current Fates Warning tour
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.90.980420172430.27497B@fatima.dds.nl>
Op Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Barbara Schnepf schreef:
> To all of the German listies - you'll never know what you are missing if you
> don't go to one of the remaining Fates Warning shows (24.4. Offenbach, 25.4.
> Berlin, 26.4. Bremen). I was at three of their shows this weekend and
> THEY BLEW ME AWAY. The two-hours-setlist contains among many other
> songs "A pleasant shade of Gray" AND "Ivory Gate of Dreams" in their entirety
> A must see for any prog fan.
I agree. I saw them in Amsterdam last week and the show was excellent.
Too bad some people started screaming/grunting etc. during all the slower
parts from APSoG. If someone on this list happens to be one of them, you
suck! One guy started even started stage-diving, and as far as I could
tell nobody really bothered to catch him.
Marc
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:52:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3764
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980420113651.49356D-100000@archa16.cc.uga.edu>
>
> Let's put it to a Ytsejam vote :) I cast my vote for more DT METAL!!
Allow me to second this (and 3rd, and 4th...:)
>
> Seriously, I prefer more progressive stuff than metal material. Of
> course, preference doesn't mean that I *only* want to listen to
> progressive rock, but there's plenty of bands doing heavy metal (in many,
> many, many senses: black metal, death metal, progressive metal, melodic
> heavy metal, doom metal, blue metal :-) , pink metal :-), gay metal,
> lesbic metal :-) and so on) and I'm still trying to find a band that does
> purely progressive rock these days.
The combination of metal and progressive rock is what makes Dream Theater
Dream Theater. A lot of bands play progressive metal, but none have the
special mix and chemistry that the boys in DT have, IMO. If DT didn't
have a metal side, chances are I would never have gotten into them.
Likewise, if they were limited to straightforward metal, I wound never
have liked them as much as I do. The heavy side CANNOT be removed from DT
without much of the magic being removed, IMO. Just like the lighter side
could not be removed without much of the magic being removed. But, I do
agree with the original poster's wishes for a heavier album next time
(though I loved FII). But that's just personal preference.
And as far as the comment about there being plenty of metal bands out
there--so? There are plenty of fast food Mexican places out there but
that doesn't mean Taco Bell should shut down. Some of us prefer hearing
DT play metal than hearing a lot of those "other" bands play metal, in the
same way some prefer a taco from Taco Bell than from one of those "other"
Mexican joints.
If this made no sense, I apologize :)
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Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:39:13 +0000
From: "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hey, wait a minute... I'm not subscribed to Echoes...
Message-ID: <199804201600.JAA07819@odin.ax.com>
Not ANOTHER argument about Old Floyd and New Floyd. It is the reason
that I am not subscribed to Echoes anymore.
Saying that the new stuff is better than DSOTM is an insult to that
album. It was the best album PF has ever done, and probably the best
they ever will do. TDB, while a good album, cannot compete. MLOR
was pretty much a solo album for Gilmour. Same goes for TFC and
Roger Waters.
If you all think Pulse is good, you should check out the Delicate
Sound of Thunder Video (not the album). It is probably the best live
video I have ever seen, including a very orgasmic version of GGITS
(Much better than on Pulse because the backup singers SUCKED on TDB
tour.) and a great version of One Slip.
I happen to like everything Floyd does and now I think they are a
band again with Richard Wright back in the fold again. I just hope
they can make an album faster than five years.
Now returning to your regularly scheduled ytse programming...
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:03:27 -0400
From: "Matt" <midas28@voicenet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Autographs?
Message-ID: <199804201605.JAA07848@odin.ax.com>
If anyone has ever tried before, will the guys sign stuff outside of the
shows?
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:18:33 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Autographs?
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980420091833.00a83880@mail.legato.com>
Matt Inquired:
"If anyone has ever tried before, will the guys sign stuff outside of the
shows?"
Matt:
Oh yes they do! And to make it even nicer, the guys in OFB are the
classiest with regards to these
requests! Want proof? Go see some pics of some Jammers getting autographs
from the first leg of the
tour.
http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire/dtshow.html
Toodles....back to the Shadows I go!
oh yeah...seems somebody on our list has a Birthday today! How many
Birthday spankings is that Mr. Portnoy????
Or is that Birthday drum rolls????
Coldfire
GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List
http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Cyrstalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:02:36 -0700
From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Is DT Metal?
Message-ID: <353BA9DC.6BEC@idt.net>
Some weirdo wrote:
>
> Let's put it to a Ytsejam vote :) I cast my vote for more DT METAL!!
> This brings me to a burning question. Okay, look at the progression of
> albums...I&W was heavier than WDADU, Awake was heavier than I&W, ACOS
> was arguably heavier than Awake (if not heavier, then definitely on the
> same level), and then FII is not a heavy album. My question is, was
> the label pressure so great that you guys had to go more pop and/or
> less heavy, or was it a collective decision to go that route without
> much label pressure?
What did you smoke before posting this, my friend? This album...err...CD
is JUST as heavy as the rest, alot of people are knocking it before they
try it. Tunes like JLMB, LITS and New Millenium are plenty heavy, if
you're looking for Images & Words Part II then become an AC/DC fan. Each
new release by DT shows more maturity and better arranging, IMHO. I
wouldn't trade this release for the world. It just seems like everytime
they put something new out, it gets harder for me to listen to its
predecessor. Seriously, how many times did you listen to it? 5 times,
maybe? Good music stands the test of time, and many times it's not quite
understood until you've heard it 20, maybe 30 times. Then things start
to click. Give it a few more listens, I'm SURE you'll see what I mean.
John DiBella
President/Xanadu Records
http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html
Dream Theater Tourdate Archive
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html
* In the stream of consciuosness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit, we're dying *
Dream Theater
* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:11:45 -0700
From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy
Message-ID: <353BAC01.5011@idt.net>
Mike,
It's no secret that DT has a heavy fan base, and is VERY collectible in
the music community. You, yourself, appear to be a big collector of your
material, as well as other artists you enjoy. Why is it not possible to
sell soundboard copies of your own shows, through an independant,
self-created label? If you could offer a catalog of all your shows, you
would put the money in your OWN pocket, and the fans could secure MINT
copies of any show they wanted, which would be a MUCH cooler momento (in
my eyes) than a hat or T-Shirt. This would eliminate all those
bootleggers who sell inferior copies of your material (HELL! I'm one of
them), as well as allow us tapers the opportunity to FULLY enjoy a DT
show (There's NOTHING worse than getting a tape of a show where the taper
was screaming into his own mike!). Any chance of that ever happening?
If an act such as yourselves ever pioneered that, it could be
revolutionary to the music industry. Please give me your thoughts on it.
John DiBella
President/Xanadu Records
http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html
Dream Theater Tourdate Archive
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html
* In the stream of consciuosness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit, we're dying *
Dream Theater
* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:57:41 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lezbefriends
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980420105741.007cba00@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
>
>I walked into a Sam Goody not too long ago, and I picked up a CD that
>caught my eye, with monochrome pictures of women hugging eachother, it
>was titled (and I'm absolutely serious):
>
>"Music for Lesbians"
Yeah, I had a similar experience actually, picking up Becker's
Perspectives. (Uh, I mean while buying it...) One of the women that
worked there walked up to the woman that was ringing me up and said "Look,
an album for us!" "Music for Lesbians."
I just strolled out and chuckled.
>From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE PORTNOY !
Yup, Happy BDay. Very tricky Rick, timing your post and such...: )
>From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
>Subject: Disgusted at DT.
>I've never seen DT live before but the perfect opportunity arose on April
>14th at Rock City in Nottingham, UK. The gig was CANCELLED on the actual
day!!! We were all near
>suicidal at this news, and it took a long time for it to settle in. I still
>can't believe it even now, and I've just read Graham Borland's comments
>from the Glasgow gig and all I can say is that DT, or Rock City, has robbed
>DT fans of an experience they will never forget, or in this case, and
>experience they will never even witness!
Hey CP, read back a few jams, you might have missed it. MP came on the
Ytsejam bitching just as much as you, because the cancellation was out of
their control. James came down with something (larengitis? sp? grammer?
; ) and couldnt talk, so Mike tried to get the club to let them do an
instrumental gig, a "LTE" if you will. But they wouldnt.
Mike is as pissed as you, so dont be disgusted at DT.
> Anyone sympathesise with me?
Sure, but just because the local Santa Ana gig was cancelled doesnt mean I
think the band are jerks, purposefully robbing you of the show you deserve.
Come on man, think about it, the band loves playing for us nutso fans (or
at least MP does : ). They would have loved to play for you just as much
as you would have loved hearing them. So chill out, they will come around
again sometime.
Im thinking I might actually take the plunge and try and find that Vanden
Plas album. I figure if they are playing with Angra (who ROCK), they're
probably pretty good. And I heard an mp3 on Mosh's site, and liked what
was there...The Rainmaker, if Im not mistaken.
Oh, and I would just like to thank HOB LA for making the May 17th and 18th
shows all ages. Sorry, had to say it : )
Jon
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:25:31 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Disgusted at DT.
Message-ID: <353B931A.5FE2D442@caribe.net>
AEllis1222 wrote:
> SOMEBODY FORWARD THIS GUY MIKE'S EXPLANATION!!!
>
> Art
no need to.. i already did.. ( i got his post on ack mode.. and did it
immediately)
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:36:29 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: delusional EROTOMANIA is no excuse for murder
Message-ID: <19980420183630.20887.qmail@hotmail.com>
some guy up here in Michigan tried to use it as a defense, it didn't
work, he's going to jail, life without parole........
and on that note, isn't it Mike Portnoy's birthday today (april 20?)?
hoping i am not about to be made the fool.......
Happy Birthday Mike!
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
"then I told everybody that I could fly,
and the whole damn world they said I’d lost my mind"
"What’s true for you ain’t true for me"
--both from "My Own Reality" by Francis Dunnery
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:36:12 +0300
From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Afterlife
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980420213612.007d4500@mail.surffi.net>
anyone heard this band?
AFTERLIFE---------
SELF TITLED- PROGRESSIVE HARD ROCK TRIO FROM CALIFORNIA INFLUENCED BY
BANDS SUCH AS RUSH, YES, AND
DREAM THEATER- EXCELLENT MUSICIANSHIP WITH VOCALS IN THE VEIN OF GEDDY
LEE- 9 TRACKS
$13 (NEW AND SEALED)
found it from http://getnet.com/~wishwell/cat.html
op777
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e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266
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"YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore
"Very positive message" -James LaBrie
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:41:38 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: J?rgen
Message-ID: <000f01bd6c8c$34f2f1c0$b02746cf@micron.micron.net>
J?rgen says:
>You'r not so bright are you, as you might have seen I changed the names
>and nicknames each time. It was a JOKE.
ah the old "an hominem" logical fallacy rears its ugly head again. I'm a
big fan of arguing and think it can be not only fun, but very productive.
The problem is that so many people really don't know how to argue. This is
the perfect example of someone with that problem. For those of you who
don't know, "An hominem" is latin for "uh oh I don't have a rebut for his
logic so I'll just call him a poopy head." Why is it that everything always
has to turn into the old "you're stupid times 10" crap? Especially when
you're speaking to a double major I don't know how many people will agree
with your "You'r (sic) not so bright are you" argument. If you have a good
retort to something someone says, that's fine. If not, do not resort to
name calling, as it only makes you look worse.
In other news, I'm doing a persuasive speech on how Mtv sucks. It has to be
at least 10 minutes long and I'm looking for any cool quotes about music in
general. The "freedom of music" rush quote is perfect, and I'm going to be
using a couple Zappa quotes, etc., but if anyone has any profound quotes
they want to throw my way I'd appreciate it.
Every spring I watch the seeds in the air from the cotton wood trees on the
banks of the river.
Some find their way to a home in the ground, some never seem to find
anywhere.
Those in the earth, may they never stop growing, and those in the air may
they fly free.
I'll be deep in the valley where the Boulder River is waiting for you to fly
back to me.
woot™
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