YTSEJAM Digest 3767
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Grammar crap, Deep Purple tour
by Brian D Hayden <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
2) Irving Plaza show
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
3) Import Japanese Tab
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
4) My instrument is harder than yours...blah..
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net>
5) Re: Is DT Metal?
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
6) well, I have to join the bandwagon
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
7) Re: J?rgen
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) Re: Grammar crap, Deep Purple tour
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) Re: Autographs
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
10) Re: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
11) Re: Stereo Equipment
by Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
12) Happy Birthday
by "Emir ISILAY" <eisilay@student.berklee.edu>
13) Re: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) portnoy
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
15) hahaha, someone tried to flame me :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
16) Jordan Rudess
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:59:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Grammar crap, Deep Purple tour
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980420135312.20315A-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
NO, you do not need an apostrophe. The apostrophe signifies possesion, not
pluralization. This is getting to be really aggravating; I see it on the
websites and promotional material of large companies all the time, and
they should know better. Is there a shortage of copy editors? The most
common mistake in this vein is in the use of years; for example, people
write "1980's" when it should be "1980s," or preferably "nineteen
eighties," although of course on a medium as informal as email it should
hardly be expected that people spell that out.
-Brian
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Matt Johnston wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Graham Borland wrote:
>
> >
> >> From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
> >> Subject: Comas / Philly / Research
> >>
> >> That's spelled "comma". Two "m's". He sure doesn't need a coma there. :-o
> > ^^^
> >
> >And you sure don't need an apostrophe there either. My pet hate: people
> >who can't pluralise! ;-)
>
> actually, I think you would need an apostrophe there.
>
>
> --Matt
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> They Might Be Giants: REM with a sense of humor.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:11:58 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Irving Plaza show
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980420151158.0069f5ac@scott.skidmore.edu>
W000000000000000000T!!! (not the person--a general geeky cry of joy)
I can go to the show--in fact, I'm in the middle of trying to order tickets.
Anyway, I will be taking a train into the city for this one, because I
WILL NOT DRIVE in NYC <shudder>. If people have to pass through CT, you
can always stop at my house and we can carpool to the train station or what
not. We'll have to see what works. Thank goodness for commuter trains
running all night. ;)
Well, let's see...I don't know how anything is working. The show *IS* on
a Friday, so I'm hoping my good friend Sarah will consider dropping by my
house to accompany me.... :) (OH! OH!! PETRUCCI!!! PETRUCCI!!! Mike,
you're going to have the biggest banner in the
world...muahahahahhahaaaaaaaa!!!! @_o)
Contact me if you're interested in carpooling or joining me....
Erica
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:13:21 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU, TrevorW@ms.kallback.com, woodwaap@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu,
Subject: Import Japanese Tab
Message-ID: <87eb8eb7.353b9e52@aol.com>
This is a "form letter email"
First, thanks for the response. So far there have been quite a few interested
and that is very encouraging.
Second, I am currently trying to finish the catalog. It isn't in any format
on the computer, so I am currently typing it in item by item. I am trying not
to leave out anything (no matter how stupid some may think certain tabs are)
so that you have a complete choice.
Third, I am making this list in Microsoft Excel for the convenience of easy
columns and rows. It is a little less convenient to turn into a "clean" .txt
file than I thought. So if you could respond back answering the following:
Would you like the catalog in Excel format (will be the easiest to read) or
Word (next cleanest) or txt (will be the messiest, but still usable). I
realize not everybody has Excel or Word, but these will be the best formats.
The file is just text in columns and rows, so I can't imagine the file will be
too large (download time).
Once again thanks. And if you can answer the format question, I should have
the information before the end of the day.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:21:14 -0400
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My instrument is harder than yours...blah..
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980420152114.007a3100@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Rocky wrote:
i wont copy the who message cause it was huge, but i see your point.. it was
basically a joke, but literally i have never seen drums tabbed anywhere, i
don't read modern drummer magazine, but i can't imagine what the tab for a
drum kit would look like, i do a lot of midi work, so ofcourse i've seen it on
a musical scale, and pretty much got to know which is which as far as snare
bass hihats and cymbals all go, i dont really dabble in the extra stuff like
glockenspiel or those other weird german sounding percussive instruments. i
***I am personally a drummer and I have never seen drums tabbed. Thank god
they aren't. I would have a hell of a time figuring it out. Tab is for
guitar and bass IMHO, I don't think that I could ever read it in Percussion
form. Reading drum music is pretty easy as it is. Later, J***
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 14:19:37 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Is DT Metal?
Message-ID: <353b9fbb4151004@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <353BA9DC.6BEC@idt.net>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> What did you smoke before posting this, my friend? This album...err...CD
> is JUST as heavy as the rest, alot of people are knocking it before they
> try it.
1- It's not as heavy overall. Whether you like that or not is a personal
opinion, but the fact is that this album has many more light moments than any of
the others. Look at it on a song-by song basis...I won't detail this here,
because it would take a lot of space and should be obvious.
> Tunes like JLMB, LITS and New Millenium are plenty heavy, if
> you're looking for Images & Words Part II then become an AC/DC fan.
Who said anything about I&W II? Ummmm...
> predecessor. Seriously, how many times did you listen to it? 5 times,
> maybe? Good music stands the test of time, and many times it's not quite
> understood until you've heard it 20, maybe 30 times. Then things start
> to click. Give it a few more listens, I'm SURE you'll see what I mean.
Oh, boy. I hear this all the time, especially around here, and I hate it. "It
has to grow on you." I'll give something about 5 listens to "grow" on me; after
that I figure my opinion is pretty accurate. I have a suspicion that letting an
album "grow" on you is more an exercise in self-brainwashing than anything else.
There are certian albums/groups/songs which contain elements that may take many
listens to pick up and appreciate. But unless you're really into the far-out
jazz or classical(1) elements, which becomes more of a cerebral appreciation
than an emotional judgement, an album that you like will generally sound good on
first listen. Maybe not great, but at least good.
I bought Fates Warning "Inside Out" because of a jammer recommendation...after
about 20 attempts at listening to it over a year's time, I still hated it. Take
that for what it's worth.
(1) I'm using "classical" here in the popular way, as a general label rather
than to describe the actual classical period.
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:28:56 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: well, I have to join the bandwagon
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980420152856.006a02ec@scott.skidmore.edu>
It's our beloved Mike's birthday! Yay! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MIKE!!!!!!!!!
Erica
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Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:26:25 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: J?rgen
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980420162516.9767B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, woot wrote:
> In other news, I'm doing a persuasive speech on how Mtv sucks. It has to be
> at least 10 minutes long and I'm looking for any cool quotes about music in
> general. The "freedom of music" rush quote is perfect, and I'm going to be
> using a couple Zappa quotes, etc., but if anyone has any profound quotes
> they want to throw my way I'd appreciate it.
"Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who
can't talk for people who can't read."
-- Frank Zappa
Hope this helps, Roger...
P.S.: Happy Birthday, Portnoy. :-)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:31:20 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Grammar crap, Deep Purple tour Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980420162633.9767C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Brian D Hayden wrote:
> NO, you do not need an apostrophe. The apostrophe signifies possesion, not
Not always (I think). So is it's the possession of it? :-) I think that it (the apostrophe followed by an s) can be use to mean:
* pluralization when you have acronyms; * contraction of is; * contraction of has; * possessive case.
And I'm sure I'm forgetting something here. But then, I'm a foreigner person. A better justificative is: I'm a black metal fan, so what do I know? :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:36:42 -0800 From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Autographs Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA10168A6A2@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:03:27 -0400 >From: "Matt" <midas28@voicenet.com> >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Autographs? >Message-ID: <199804201605.JAA07848@odin.ax.com> > > >If anyone has ever tried before, will the guys sign stuff outside of the >shows?
they were the first group i ever tried to hang out after a show to get an autograph of some sort when someone suggested that we give it a shot. the guys were unbelievably tired after (and during (made for some funky antics)) the show but they all hung outside the bus to talk to people, get pictures taken, and sign things. JP even woke up to come outside and sign someone's guitar. fan dedication? methinks so. i will personally cherish the back of my ticket that John Myung signed after taking a little time to chat with me briefly about chapman sticks ... oh what a night ...
-= george =-
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:42:12 EDT From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <49e53ff6.353ba515@aol.com>
In a guess for an answer as to why Dream Theater doesn't release their live shows recorded from the soundboard on their own label:
I am guessing from my understanding of the music BUSINESS, but I am pretty sure I am right on this one:
First, when any band signs with a record label - they agree to release any albums under that record label and that record label only (read as slave). That includes any record label, even the band's own record label. That also includes the separate artists from the band. That is why when such and such decides to provide a solo for another artist you will see "Some guy appears courtesy of some record label"
Second, it is very unlikely for the band to get the record label to release the soundboard tapes. The record label views the buying cattle ( I mean public ) as only having "XX" amount of dollars in their pocket. Joe Blow only has $15 in his pocket and when he goes to the store he can either buy DT - FII or DT - FII Live. The record company doesn't want to risk that Joe Blow may have $30 in his pocket and willing to buy both (after all, the majority of "CD buyers" are high school kids). So this is bad business. They produced the COSTS of two albums, while effectively only SELLING one album. I am sure you have all heard of artist recordings being pushed back so as "not to compete with themselves".
So as you can see, it is an uphill battle that MOST record companies won't risk. So - don't blame the band. Judging from Mike Portnoy's posts and quotes - I bet Mike would love to release just about everything he feels is a good representation of the band.
And if your plea works and DT finds away around this, you are right - it will be REVOLUTIONARY and a great thing for ALL. However, to be a pessimist - I have one word "Prince" (couldn't find the symbol of his name on my keyboard). If Prince couldn't move the mighty record labels, it is doubtful ANYONE can.
Thankfully, ADATs, CD-Rs, and the INTERNET could provide a serious threat to the almighty record company. I imagine a future when it is a BAD thing to say "I have a record deal". The COOL answer will be "our band is totall self- produced (ADAT), self-distributed (CD-R and the Internet), and self-promoted (the Internet and mailing list promotion)". To me, that will be REVOLUTIONARY.
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Date: 20 Apr 1998 15:44:52 -0400 From: Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: Stereo Equipment Message-ID: <02E15353BA5B4022*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS>
Date: 4/19/1998 20:8 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Stereo equip. (NDTC)...I know,I know. Sorry. Message-ID: <199804200009.UAA29384@newman.concentric.net> ... I want this to sound great with music as well as movies, but I dont know that much about stereo equipment. Could anybody help me with some advice in this area. The sales rep.told me the speakers are matched with each other as well as being matched with the receiver. I've seen packages in Circuit City ads that are less $, but don't seem as nice. This system will run about $1000. Also, is using a subwoofer while listening to CD's a good idea, or are they really only for movies? ---------------------------------------------------------- Dave, $1000 is pretty cheap as far as a complete "home theater system" goes. I don't recommend for or against any particular equip pieces (especially not Sony!!!) because its a matter of taste and too controversial. If you like what you hear and it's within your budget - buy it and be happy! I will say this, DON'T SKIMP on a good subwoofer! Believe me, one of the greatest attributes of the CD is the frequency response and dynamics it offers. A lot of music (YES, jazz, and especially DT) has incredible bass. I have a Velodyne which is very expensive ($800 w/ a disount from a friend at a high-end shop, usually sells for over $1K) and it's worth every penny! Regards, I-Man
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:45:57 -0400 From: "Emir ISILAY" <eisilay@student.berklee.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: <portnoy420@aol.com> Subject: Happy Birthday Message-ID: <01bd6c94$f0411a80$601010ac@emir.berklee.edu>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE !!!!
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980420154203.23477B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > Mike, > It's no secret that DT has a heavy fan base, and is VERY collectible in > the music community. You, yourself, appear to be a big collector of your > material, as well as other artists you enjoy. Why is it not possible to > sell soundboard copies of your own shows, through an independant, > self-created label? If you could offer a catalog of all your shows, you
I'm sure the record label would have a lot to say about it. Hell, if the band basically can't do much about trying to set up an instrumental "LTE-type" show for a cancelled gig, I'm almost positive they would have a tougher time selling the idea of independently marketing live shows, especially if that means the record company not producing other "Live at the Marquee"-type CDs.........
-Al
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:53:02 EDT From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: portnoy Message-ID: <6e36b7ca.353ba79f@aol.com>
shit...........i was studying some contracts, and i accidentally flipped to page 420, and found this huge-ass signature from mr. portnoy.
happy birthday.
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"when the sun beats down and i lie on the bench, i can always hear them talk." -p. gabriel ************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:17:15 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net> Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hahaha, someone tried to flame me :) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980420131713.006f12e0@postoffice.syspac.com>
John DiBella wrote: > >Some weirdo wrote:
Thanks :)
>> Let's put it to a Ytsejam vote :) I cast my vote for more DT METAL!! <<SNIP>> >What did you smoke before posting this, my friend?
Am I wrong in saying that I love it when DT does the heavy stuff?
>This album...err...CD >is JUST as heavy as the rest,
No, it isn't. It is just as GOOD as the rest, but it is not as heavy. Even the band has said this. It's quite obvious. What have YOU been smoking? :)
>alot of people are knocking it before they >try it.
I bought the album the day it came out, I had bootlegs of the fix shows, and I have almost all the FII song demos, so don't tell me I haven't tried it out. Besides, I never said I didn't like it.
>Tunes like JLMB, LITS and New Millenium are plenty heavy,
That they are, this is a metal band we're talking about.
>if >you're looking for Images & Words Part II then become an AC/DC fan.
When did I ever say that? That would eliminate the idea of progressing. I never said I want an I&W 2. What I would like to see is DT go to a heavier style. If they don't, fine. Their music will still kick ass.
>Each >new release by DT shows more maturity and better arranging, IMHO.
Yes. I wasn't knocking their songwriting.
>Seriously, how many times did you listen to it? 5 times, >maybe?
hahaha, dumbass :) You got me laughing HARD on this one!!
>Good music stands the test of time, and many times it's not quite >understood until you've heard it 20, maybe 30 times. Then things start >to click. Give it a few more listens, I'm SURE you'll see what I mean.
Look dude, I love DT's music, almost all of it. I've been a harcore fan of theirs since I heard Pull Me Under on the radio back in '92, and I've had FII for a LONG time, and listened to it alot. It's a great album. Songs like Lines in the Sand, Trial of Tears, and Hell's Kitchen are really awesome, and I love 'em, but I would like to see DT go heavier in the same way that I'd like to see Metallica go heavier, because they are SO DAMN GOOD AT IT.
>* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Take yer own advice :)
Laterz.
~Vinnie
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:18:33 +0200 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jordan Rudess Message-ID: <335A7A19.67233FCA@stones.com>
Hello Jammers!!
Just a note for the fans of Jordan Rudess. I got two (2!) email replies from him today. Seems like it`s his email day today, email him at jordan@bway.net .
Darpe Ciem!
Matej
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