YTSEJAM Digest 3769
Today's Topics:
1) A grammar reference
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) Re: Tons o'Crap from the Grammar Bitch ;-)
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) Can you help WSUM and RYAN out?
by "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
4) Type O Eckie, Headgiver's Balls, racism, "Dayboogie" :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
6) Re: Tons o'Crap from the Grammar Bitch ;-)
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) Re: Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
8) CDs and recording equipment for sale!!!
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
9) Zappa Quote Of The Day
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
10) My Grammar Baked Me Some Half-Ass Cookies One Time
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
11) Re: Spock's Beard...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
12) Road trips/Swamp Boogie Queen
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
13) concert lines
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
14) Re: My Grammar Baked Me Some Half-Ass Cookies One Time
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:11:00 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A grammar reference
Message-ID: <199804210011.UAA20371@tx.cs.wm.edu>
Rogerio asked:
> BTW, once and for all, could you people recommend me a grammar
> book? I think that it's time to read some rules. I mean, I want the real
> thing, a grammar which I can always refer to, a good reference. Thank you
> for any recommendations.
If you were to ask a handful of English majors/professors what books they
would have on their desk if they were limited to, say, 5, I'm sure most would
list "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White. (E.B. White, incidentally,
also wrote "Charlotte's Web" and other nice little kids' stories.) This one
is the grandfather of sources on correct writing.
There is also, BTW, a web page associated with the book, but I don't remember
where it is.
Hope that helps!
-d
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Tons o'Crap from the Grammar Bitch ;-)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980420171335.20561A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> BTW, once and for all, could you people recommend me a grammar
>book? I think that it's time to read some rules. I mean, I want the real
>thing, a grammar which I can always refer to, a good reference. Thank you
>for any recommendations.
The St. Martin's Handbook is very good (what we use here at the University
of Oregon)... I backed out of the conversation when I realized I had sold
mine to buy LTE! ^_^ Honest! And it was worth it... until yesterday...
^_^
>> But, I mean, really. Who cares?
>
> I care. :-)
Good. It's good to care.
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:23:47 -0500
From: "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Can you help WSUM and RYAN out?
Message-ID: <199804210018.TAA61044@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Help....
I'm away from the station and I'm wondering if anyone has the # of
the promotions director or radio people at DT's label EastWest (I think
Elektra is the parent label)....I'm going to give them a buzz in the next
few days and see if me and a co-worker can get hooked-up with an interview
with a member of ofb at the Chitown show.
Any help is greatly appreceiated.
LONG LIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS!
WSUM goes FM as of October '98 with 6000 raw Watts in your face and ALSO on
your computer netcasting!!! 2 for the price of 1.
WSUM....the future of the COOL student radio stations...
____________________________________________________________________
"If the thought of the rose is the thorn in your side,
then you're better off dead if you haven't yet died."
-Taupin
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Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director
Host of Strong Progress, Thursdays from 2pm till 4pm
Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206
Office Hours: Wed 10-11, Thurs 12-1, various other times...
"The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://msr.wisc.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:24:34 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Type O Eckie, Headgiver's Balls, racism, "Dayboogie" :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980420172432.006ef9b0@postoffice.syspac.com>
hehe, Eckie wrote:
>Kill all the white people, then we'll be free....
"Whoa oh whoa oh! whoa oh whoa oh ah oh!!"
>Headbanger's Ball didn't air on MTV, MTV aired on Headbanger's Ball!
"We didn't land on Sherwood forest, Sherwood forest up'n landed on us.
Hehe, speaking of ebonics and racist motherfuckers, Eckie, remember dis?
"Lie"
Dream Deater
Dayboogie
At da damn bottom uh a lake
It's some hundred degrees ah' can't breade
And ah' won't git out
'till ah' figure it out
Dought I'm weak likes ah' can't recon'
So ya' tell me "trust me" ah' can trust ya'
Just let me show ya'
But ah' gotsta wo'k it out in some shadow uh doubt
'cause ah' duzn't know if ah' know ya'
Doin' fine but duzn't wuzte mah' time
Tell me whut it be ya' wanna say
You's sin, ya' win, plum let me in - hurry
I've been out in de rain all day
So ya' tell me "trust me" ah' can trust ya'
As far as ah' can drow ya'
And I'm tryin' t'get out uh a shadow uh doubt
'cause ah' duzn't know if ah' know ya'
Don't tell me ya' wants'ed me
Don't tell me ya' dought uh me
I won't, ah' swear ah' won't
I'll try, ah' swear I'll try
Moda' Mary quite contrary
Kiss de boys and make dem wary
Din's are gittin' plum a little bit scary
It's some wonda' I kin still breade
Neva' been much uh a doubtin' Domas
But nodin' boogies likes some bugger'd promise
You's tell me about yo' two mo'e comin'
But once be plum enough fo' me
Repeat Cho'us
I had gotsten used t'bein' some soul destroyed
She comes in apparently t'fill de void
All dogs need some leash and
At least I'll fo'get it
And she would neva' hurt me dough
She's neva' said it
But I'm not gonna ax' ha' today
I duzn't wanna scare ha' away, oh
Yo' town, I'm all alone
And ah' plum can't stare at da damn phone
I wanna rapp about lifelong mis snatch'd
and ya' kin tell yo' stepfada' I said so
=========
greetin'
JIBE at da Department uh Computa' Science, University uh Zurich
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:25:56 EDT
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
Message-ID: <884e6f9c.353be796@aol.com>
"everybody's an asshole until proven differently." -f. zappa
if you don't have the real frank zappa book, what are you waiting for?
koba, wild.
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"it's hard for me to say what's right when all i wanna do is wrong." -prince
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 19:26:39 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tons o'Crap from the Grammar Bitch ;-)
Message-ID: <353be7bf4050003@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:32:54 -0700 (PDT)
from Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>:
>> > NO, you do not need an apostrophe. The apostrophe signifies possesion
> Not always (I think). So is it's the possession of it? :-) I think
> that it (the apostrophe followed by an s) can be use to mean:
You got me on that one; I only gave one case, because that was the issue at
hand. You're right, it can signify a contraction, and a pet peeve of mine
is the misuse of "it's" and "its."
> 16). According to my grammar book, acronyms and abbreviations that are
> pluralized do NOT need apostrophes. For example, CDs, CDRoms, and
> 1980s. However, apostrophes may be used when refering to letters or
> when periods are in the abbreviation. For example, two n's and four s's
> or several V.I.P.'s.
Okay, I was right on the years and wrong on the letters. My bad.
> However, Brian then wrote "email," and that's supposed to be "e-mail."
> But, I mean, really. Who cares?
Actually, there's no standard for email, so I just write it the way that's
most popular. However, thinking logically it would actually be e.mail,
since 'e' is an abbreviation for electronic. There's no reason, according
to the rules of grammar, for it to be hyphenated. But like you say, it
doesn't really matter. :)
> I care when I'm at my job, but I don't
> think ppl need to be critiqued on their grammar skills when they're
> e-mailing people. Oh, and "ebonics" does not mean "without grammar
> rules."
Yeah, it's more like "with ghetto slang grammar rules which may change day
to day and without notice and which aren't a real language but just a
corruption of English by the ignorant." How's that? :)
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
Message-ID: <199804210030.UAA04352@osfn.org>
Paul Humm stated...
>> Sorry, I know I'm a little behind on the Pink Floyd thread. But I
>> can't believe that in all those posts, no one mentioned "The Final
>> Cut" as a Pink Floyd essential. I rank that one right behind the two
>> obvious choices, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall. It is
>> practically a Roger Waters solo album, but it is still amazing, both
>> musically and lyrically. (And just to let you know, I love the
>> post-Waters stuff too -- The Division Bell is great!)
>> -Paul
"The Final Cut" is an excellent album.. I'd also recommend "Animals,"
"Piper at the Gates of Dawn" and the transitional "Obscured by Clouds."
-- Dan Abosso, al682@osfn.org "Beware the savage jaw." member: US Communist Party, International Socialist Organization "As for criticism, do it in good time; don't get into the habit of criticizing only after the event." - Mao Tse-Tung------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:41:02 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: bostonjam@dreamt.org Subject: CDs and recording equipment for sale!!! Message-ID: <v04003a00b161950aea49@[18.220.0.27]>
Hey Jammers,
In an attempt to upgrade my portable recording unit to a Sony PCM M-1, I am going to be selling some of my CDs and equipment to get some money for this $700 gem. So here are the details:
FOR SALE:
Sony MZ-R30 MiniDisc Recorder - Used for 4 concerts - In near mint condition - Excellent portable recording device - Asking Price: $310 ($400 retail / mail order) - Shipping included in price (US only please)
CDs:
Dream Theater (all CD silvers unless noted) - Milan '93 (2CD) / Live Storm Records / $40 (Same show as Lost in the Sky boot) - Subconscious / Prism Records / $40 - Acoustic Dreams (CD-R) / Prism Records / $25 (Jim Colberg CD-R release) - When Dream and Today Unite / Prism Records / $25 - Antiquities / Prism Records / $25 - Scenes From a Memory / Prism Records / $25 - Precious Things (CD-R) / Prism Records / $20 (only offered on CD-R media) - The Darkest of Winters (CD-R) / Prism Records / $20 (only offered on CD-R media)
Marillion - The Best of Both Worlds / EMI Records / $30
Queensryche - Sign of the Times CD Single / EMI Records / $15
Rush - Virtual Songs (3CD-R) / Prism Records / $65 Variation with DT's Tears on Disc 3 (only offered on CD-R media) - Experience To Extremes / Prism Records / $45 (only offered on CD-R media)
Prices include shipping within US. For international orders, add $5 to the price of the CD.
This is a set sale. Thankyouverymuch. :)
----- Oh, and just a status update on Fasten Your Seatbelts. Nearly 50 copies have already been mailed out to those who have ordered copies and there are many copies ready to go out the door! The web site once again for Fasten Your Seatbelts is:
I've gotten nothing but positive remarks on this CD and if all goes well, I'll be starting a couple of new projects this summer once things calm down for me in terms of school. (MIT can be just a _little_ tough at times).
For those of you who are too lazy to go to my site, the price is $25 for a 2CD set ($30 for int'l orders) (shipping included). On disc 2, there are bonus FII demos (CD quality versions of those MP3s floating around on the net).
I want to thank all the people who have helped me out by posting their reviews about FYS to this mailing list. It's helped out a lot. I've definitely have had a great time so far with this project. Thanks for making things much easier!
Take care, Nick Bogovich
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:50:50 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Zappa Quote Of The Day Message-ID: <199804210050.UAA20607@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> "everybody's an asshole until proven differently." -f. zappa
Don't forget to check out the Zappa Quote Of The Day: http://www.wins.uva.nl/~heederik/zappa/quote/
-d
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:52:13 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My Grammar Baked Me Some Half-Ass Cookies One Time Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980421005213.006fff44@pop.pipeline.com>
> >>> >>> That's spelled "comma". Two "m's". He sure doesn't need a coma there. :-o >> ^^^ >> >>And you sure don't need an apostrophe there either. My pet hate: people >>who can't pluralise! ;-) > >>>actually, I think you would need an apostrophe there. > > >>>--Matt > > >>>>NO, you do not need an apostrophe. The apostrophe signifies possesion, not >>>>pluralization. This is getting to be really aggravating; I see it on the >>>>websites and promotional material of large companies all the time, and >>>>they should know better. Is there a shortage of copy editors? The most >>>>common mistake in this vein is in the use of years; for example, people >>>>write "1980's" when it should be "1980s," or preferably "nineteen >>>>eighties," although of course on a medium as informal as email it should >>>>hardly be expected that people spell that out. > >>>>-Brian > All right. Let me end this once and for all. From the textbook _Warriner's English Grammar and Composition_ PLURALS: Use an apostrophe s to form the plural of letters, numbers, and signs, and of words referred to as words. EXAMPLES: Your o's look like a's. There are three 5's in the telephone number. One sign of poor writing is too many and's.
So, there.
Grammarsnob, and his textbook have spoken.
CD of the Day: King Diamond - Voodoo
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions First Round of the Playoffs vs. Phoenix Coyotes
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:35:15 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Spock's Beard... Message-ID: <199804210149.UAA28487@indy1.indy.net>
>Now seriously, anyone here know where I can get some MP3s of Spocks >Beard songs?
Ugh. Save yourself the time and just go ahead and order all three albums. You'll do it eventually anyway. Seriously, is there anyone around here who DOESN'T love the beard? I mean, EVERY other band ever mentioned around here has at least a few detractors who have posted, but I don't think I can say that of SB.
Yes, they are that good. And yes, the very start of 'The Light' sounds like the opening of a bad off off off Broadway musical, but that's only about the first 15 seconds.
Well, if you must:
http://www.altura.com/jordanz/spocks_beard/
Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN mepatric@indy.net
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:50:02 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Road trips/Swamp Boogie Queen Message-ID: <l03102800b161a93fbc3f@[128.83.128.42]>
>Ony problem is that we have to drive back >to school all night after the chicago show in order to make classes at >10:00 the next morning. Oh well...
HA! for my Texas road trip (at least two, maybe all 3 texas shows) I'll be= out of school for the summer!(at least till summer school starts :o( I'll= be done with my 8 AM class (beat that, Matt) for good! If I do all 3= shows, it'll close in on 1k miles, but I don't think it will be quite that = far.
BTW, if anyone ever gets in the mood for some good old rock 'n' roll along= the lines of Janis, Allmans, classic Aerosmith, etc, you should check out= Swamp Boogie Queen. Their debut album just came out(it was recorded at= Bear Tracks!). I had the opportunity to see them saturday, and hang out= with them sunday. They are some of the coolest people I've met, and they= always put 100% in their shows, even if there are only 30 people in the= club (like saturday nite). Definitely check them out if that's your thing
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D Man, I know, I've gotta go It's the same thing every time But I don't think another drink's Gonna make me lose my mind.
So I think about my next drink And it's you and me and the bottle makes three tonight
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:58:01 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: concert lines Message-ID: <01IW3VHRYNQA0018R4@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 20-APR-1998 21:45:16
I love concert lines because no where else do I get to see so many people with the same passion I have for that particular band.
I have found that if you arrive a good hour before the doors open, you stand a chance at getting near the front without having to sneak in front of people. If you get there two hours before doors, you should be set. That is my experience from the vanderbilt in LI, which was pretty big. I guess you'd have to get there sooner for smaller clubs, or maybe not, because then less people would be there. wow. That was no help at all!
But this is. The band comes out maybe 30 minutes to an hour after the show, and not at the same time. I guess they figure why fight for attention...this way, they each get the post-show mob all to themselves.
Where to wait? by the tour bus. They can't get on it without acknowledging you and will most likely sign your thing or answer your question.
It helps if you have gifts, btw. James likes those funky-ass cheese curd laden, gravy smeared french fries they call poutine. JM likes little matchbox cars, derek loves hotpants, mike has a fetish for belinda carlisle music, and JP collects hot tub, RV, and ping-pong table catalogues.
I myself prefer Tiffany to Belinda.
josh
............................................................ mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> Subject: Re: My Grammar Baked Me Some Half-Ass Cookies One Time Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980420191816.24475A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Kevin Madden wrote:
>All right. Let me end this once and for all. From the textbook _Warriner's >English Grammar and Composition_ PLURALS: Use an apostrophe s to form the >plural of letters, numbers, and signs, and of words referred to as words. >EXAMPLES: Your o's look like a's. There are three 5's in the telephone >number. One sign of poor writing is too many and's. >
HAHAHAH! I knew it!
>So, there. >
You rock Kevin. Thanks.
>Grammarsnob, and his textbook have spoken.
I woulda, but I sold mine (my textbook, that is). Thanks again.
--Matt
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