YTSEJAM Digest 3770
Today's Topics:
1) What type of DT music
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
by Michael Null <mnull@mcs.kent.edu>
3) Re: My instrument's harder than yours .... and bigger too
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Spock's Beard/Metal Blade
by "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
6) =?utf-7?Q?Re:_Tons_o'Crap_from_the_Grammar_Bitch+AKA-_+ADs--=29?=
by "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
7) Record Labels - the Ytseway.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) Faith No More - Official News.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
10) RE: piezo? / Prog vs. Metal / Savatage tix
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
11) TON reference?
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
12) Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts CD
by "Chris C." <chris-76@prodigy.net>
13) Re: Spock's Beard
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
14) This one's for Marlene Portnoy!
by AL <al@isd.net>
15) quick comparison
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
16) Re: Record Labels - the Ytseway.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
17) 420!!
by "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
18) OP777, please e-mail me...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
19) Source for Zappa quotes
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
20) Faith No More No More
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:27:54 -0700
From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What type of DT music
Message-ID: <01bd6ccd$16c13c20$918c15cf@markphil>
Well..
> Let's put it to a Ytsejam vote :) I cast my vote for more DT METAL!!
Um, yeah I'd have to agree with this, however, what DT is known for is a
little of everything. I mean, look at I&W and Awake. They were defiantly
full of metal but also had the good progressive stuff that DT is known for.
It wouldn't be DT if it wasn't.... um.... (for lack of a beter term) DT. DT
is their own style of music period.
However, while I still love FII, etc, something a little heavy thrown in
would meet no objection.
Mark
griphiam@ccnet.com
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:41:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Null <mnull@mcs.kent.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
Message-ID: <199804210241.WAA08579@aegis.vgnet.mcs.kent.edu>
Please, remove me from this list!
This is the ninth time that I have asked you to do so...
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:59:37 -0400
From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My instrument's harder than yours .... and bigger too
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980420215206.006c6960@mail.geocities.com>
>i wont copy the who message cause it was huge, but i see your point.. it was
>basically a joke, but literally i have never seen drums tabbed anywhere,
Well.. I want to throw in a bone here.. I haven't been a drummer for long,
but the sheet music I have seen is on /regular/ notesheets, the different
tonehights representing different instruments.. Yes it can seem rather
confusing and uninuitive, but you get used to it.
>i dont know its probably something like atleast a 20 piece set,
>and a musical staff only having 5 lines,
yea.. But you have 10 different possibilities... And then you jsut take two
musical staffs.. It is REALLY hell to read it.. But after you play through
it VERY VERY slowly you get the idea, and it is possible to start speeding up.
Another way I have seen it done is to use the previously mentioned
technique, and then put it into patterns, like in MOD files.
Yes it's complicated
But for complicated pieces it's still (for me anyway) easier then figure
out every part manually.
Haje Jan Kamps
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:07:38 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
Message-ID: <199804210307.XAA22053@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Null <mnull@mcs.kent.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
[Insert your own /dev/null joke here.]
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:14:42 -0500
From: "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock's Beard/Metal Blade
Message-ID: <199804210309.WAA15378@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Just wondering...
Is it common knowledge yet that Spock's Beard is signed to Metal
blade? I got The newest CD, Kindness of Strangers, today from Joey
Severance at Metal Blade, and It is amazing. I guarentee in the top 10 prog
cd's of the 90's (i'll bet!!)
Anyone got cool Spock's info? I understand they're one of Mikey P's
favorite bands!
Also, any opening bands named for Chitown?
____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:12:44 -0300
From: "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: =?utf-7?Q?Re:_Tons_o'Crap_from_the_Grammar_Bitch+AKA-_+ADs--=29?=
Message-ID: <01bd6cd3$5a5bb220$af29e0c8@uol.com.br.uol.com.br>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT), Matt Johnston wrote
+AD4- If you were to ask a handful of English majors/professors what books they
+AD4-would have on their desk if they were limited to, say, 5, I'm sure most
would
+AD4-list +ACI-The Elements of Style+ACI- by Strunk and White. (E.B. White,
incidentally,
+AD4-also wrote +ACI-Charlotte's Web+ACI- and other nice little kids' stories.) This
one
+AD4-is the grandfather of sources on correct writing.
+AD4-There is also, BTW, a web page associated with the book, but I don't
remember
+AD4-where it is.
+AD4-Hope that helps+ACE-
+AD4--d
+AD4-
I am looking for a good grammar also. I've searched for the address and here
it is:
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/bartleby/strunk
I didn't take a good look at it, but it seams to be just a tiny sample of
it.
There's a +ACI-Guide to Prepositions+ACI- that you can get by e-mail. I have it and
it's really useful. Its URL is: http://cam.org/+AH4-prieurc
+ACo-Karol (sorry for NDTC)
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:16:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Record Labels - the Ytseway.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980420231445.23985A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
Just to let you guys know:
Marillion, although signed to a label in both here and the UK, has
their own label - Racket Records. Here they release live soundboard
material every so often (i believe they've released 7 or so - itchy can
let you in on the details), so it *is* something that DT could do.
I just don't know how many people (and don't say "I WOULD" because
we're the minority of DT fans, keep in mind) would buy them.
just something to ponder.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:20:25 -0400
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Faith No More - Official News.
Message-ID: <199804210322.XAA15702@camel8.mindspring.com>
I don't know how many of you are Faith No More fans, but I wanted to let
all of you know that the band officially called it quits early this morning.
For a band that always challanged the mainstream (like DT), it's sad to see
them go.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:24:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3768
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980420232207.91264C-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> > In other news, I'm doing a persuasive speech on how Mtv sucks. It has to be
> > at least 10 minutes long and I'm looking for any cool quotes about music in
> > general. The "freedom of music" rush quote is perfect, and I'm going to be
> > using a couple Zappa quotes, etc., but if anyone has any profound quotes
> > they want to throw my way I'd appreciate it.
I did a paper on this last semester. If you want, drop me a line and I'll
e-mail it to you. I think it was around the 10 page mark.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:42:49 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: piezo? / Prog vs. Metal / Savatage tix
Message-ID: <353C15B9.47C6659B@ameritech.net>
> Is Petrucci using a piezo?
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a piezo? (in layman's terms, please)
On the whole metal vs. prog DT debate.........
I've seen references to I&W as being DT's metal stuff. If I&W is their
metal, what do you consider to be their prog stuff? (personally, I think
of I&W as being the MOST PROGESSIVE, and not extremely metallic).
The only thing close to "metal" on I&W to me would be PMU, UaGM and
Metropolis (and at the same time, I consider UaGM and Metropolis VERY
prog as well).
My idea of DT's metal would be stuff like The Mirror, Lie, BMS etc (and
generally speaking, I consider Awake to be their most "metal" album)
So, my question is how exactly do we define "progressive" and "metal"
and what differentiates "progressive metal" from "progressive hard
rock"? Also, what exactly is the definition of "power metal"?
Lastly, I saw this on the Savatage list, and thought some of you guys
(and ladies) would be interested.
> RITUAL PRESENTS
> SAVATAGE
> ALL AGES WELCOME
> ST ANDREWS HALL
> 431 EAST CONGRESS * DETROIT
> WED JUN 10 1998 DOORS 8PM
According to a guy from the 'Tage list, the tickets go on sale Friday.
Maybe I'll see some of you there!
Thanks,
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:05:10 -0400
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TON reference?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980421000508.0076e850@maila.wm.edu>
No, that's not a ton of references. Whatever, you sillyheads. Eckie said
(in between the <snip>s (see, no apostrophe!!):
>Oh yeah, they promote racist motherfuckers like me, pigeonholing said racial
>groups by only airing black rap videos and white rock videos...or maybe
>I'm reading too closely between the lines, but it's a conspiracy I tell
>you.... Kill all the white people, then we'll be free....
Methinks this is from Type O's Bloody Kisses..............
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:03:58 -0600
From: "Chris C." <chris-76@prodigy.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts CD
Message-ID: <01bd6ce2$e4a26aa0$9a252581@revolution>
This is an excellent CD and the service was great (only a little more than a
week). Definitely a must.
Later,
Chris
>Oh, and just a status update on Fasten Your Seatbelts. Nearly 50
>copies have already been mailed out to those who have ordered copies
>and there are many copies ready to go out the door! The web site once
again
>for Fasten Your Seatbelts is:
>
>http://web.mit.edu/bogie/
>
>I've gotten nothing but positive remarks on this CD and if all goes well,
>I'll be starting a couple of new projects this summer once things calm
>down for me in terms of school. (MIT can be just a _little_ tough at
times).
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:22:30 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <353C1F05.C2458D5B@pacbell.net>
> Just wondering...
>
> Is it common knowledge yet that Spock's Beard is signed to Metal
> blade? I got The newest CD, Kindness of Strangers, today from Joey
> Severance at Metal Blade, and It is amazing. I guarentee in the top 10 prog
> cd's of the 90's (i'll bet!!)
> Anyone got cool Spock's info? I understand they're one of Mikey P's
> favorite bands!
Well, you might want to subscribe to the Spock's Beard mailing list, THOUGHTS...
you can do that here: http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard
We've got 3/5 of the band subscribed to the list, and Neal Morse posts quite
frequently.
> >Now seriously, anyone here know where I can get some MP3s of Spocks
> >Beard songs?
>
> Well, if you must:
>
> http://www.altura.com/jordanz/spocks_beard/
You'll find no MP3s there... just wavs, aus & aiffs. Just break down and buy
the cds...
like Mike said, you're going to do it anyway :o) I *think* you can still get
them directly
from Radiant Records, although they have signed a distribution deal with Metal
Blade...
you can find ordering information here:
http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/faq.html#cds
or you can definitely order them from me (I'm a bit faster and cheaper... no
wait, that
doesn't sound quite right... you can get them quicker, and more
inexpensively... yes,
that's what I mean to say), using this online order form:
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl/order.htm
Spock's Beard also has a video available (while supplies last) from their show
in
Bochum, Germany (20JAN98). You can find information on that here:
http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/faq.html#video
Spock on!
:o)
Lisa Marie
jessie@dreamt.org
ICQ uin # 1518578
http://www.dreamt.org/jessie
-- THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List Homepage http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:31:18 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: This one's for Marlene Portnoy! Message-ID: <353C2116.C73CEE23@isd.net>
Happy B Day MP! Here is a pinch to grow an inch. (wherever Marlene will find it most useful)
Hey, sombody had to give the old duffer some shit.
-- See ya, AL...
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:49:20 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: quick comparison Message-ID: <353C2550.29B9@goodnet.com>
I had the strange coincidence of listening to a certain song on the radio today and popping in a CD to hear another shortly after, and was struck by the similarity. Does anyone else hear a distinct sameness between Just Let Me Breathe and Tool's "AEnema"? I'm not usually a Tool fan, but this one had my eyebrows narrowing involuntarily. :)
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:59:09 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Record Labels - the Ytseway. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980421015846.12564A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Syrinx wrote:
> I just don't know how many people (and don't say "I WOULD" because > we're the minority of DT fans, keep in mind) would buy them.
"I WOULD"
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:10:07 -0500 From: "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 420!! Message-ID: <199804210504.AAA38262@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
To all:
I just found out that 420 has more than one meaning today...if it is Mike's B-day, I pretty much puffed away his birthday present!
Happy Birthday Mike, and I hope to see you at the Vic!
DON'T FORGET TO TUNE IN AT http:\\msr.wisc.edu
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:09:12 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: OP777, please e-mail me... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980421020523.2555A-100000@sushi>
Shh... Hate to send an e-mail to the whole list to deal with personal things, but there was no way...
OP777, please e-mail me. All e-mails I tried to send you bounced back today (and the reason seems to be that your local site has a problem with the mail exchanger). See:
----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 ns.fsp.fi. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) 554 <op777@ns.fsp.fi>... Local configuration error
Sorry for sending this message to the list, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:12:25 -0500 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Source for Zappa quotes Message-ID: <353C2AB9.5E6B@auburn.net>
The Real Frank Zappa book is a good light read, but I recently found Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play (fourth edition) at Books-a-Million. It is 600+ pages of analysis by some guy with an afterword by FZ. It is exactly like a term paper I might write for school - loads of hypothetical bullshit - but it has many, many quotes that are gems. It's published by St. Martin's Griffin, if anyone cares.
Take care, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:16:50 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith No More No More Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980421011650.00a28ff0@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Somebody's probably already beat me to the 'scoop', but...
The following official letter (press-release really) should explain things:
"After 15 long and fruitful years, Faith No More have decided to put an end to speculation regarding their imminent break up... by breaking up. The decision among the members is mutual, and there will be no pointing of fingers, no naming of names, other than stating, for the record, that "Puffy started it". Furthermore, the split will now enable each member to pursue his individual project(s) unhindered. Lastly, and most importantly, the band would like to thank all of those fans and associates that have stuck with and supported the band throughout its history. "
In collegiate news, the kid in front of me in Ethnomusicology today didn't know what the word "homophobe" meant. This guy's at least a sophomore in college. Aye-aye-aye...
Brian "Pimpbot 2000" Henderson
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