YTSEJAM Digest 3776
Today's Topics:
1) metallica (oops)
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3771
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
4) Re: Spock's Beard
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
5) Re: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
6) Re: Open All Night Records - get this CD!
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
7) Hey there Carol : )
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
8) Ytsejam digests 70,71, 72 and 73
by "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
9) Re: Power Metal
by eckie@asu.edu
10) Re: pulse
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
11) Re: Remove
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
12) Re: Spock's Beard
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) Enchant (was Re: Hey there Carol : )
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
14) A responce to this post and future ones of this kind...
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773
by "HazeX" <mrhazex@pacbell.net>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:24:30 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: metallica (oops)
Message-ID: <001101bd6d7c$a390f3c0$9bc95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
>>It will have to be an amazing show that can top this one. Perfect (well,
>>would be if they had played Fade to Black... *sigh*).
>>
>>Spiff
>>
> They probably did play it--it's in Eb and now called "The Memory
> Remains."
you mean unforgiven II? uf II is the same chords as ftb, only in Eb. or did
they reuse the exact same progression TWICE on the same album? i don't
remember the chord progression of memory remains. moo.
--Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:27:21 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773 Message-ID: <19980421222721.23514.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Velasco Cisneros Manuel Bernardo <al770415@mail.mty.itesm.mx> >Subject: FNM > >I want to know if Dream Theater has any musical influences from FNM, > >What do you think?
I might believe that Kevin Moore had some. But thatīs just my opinion.
Ernesto
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:30:25 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3771 Message-ID: <353D1E01.E8918ED3@caribe.net>
Ernesto Lotitto wrote:
> That may be true, but let=B4s try to understand him. He probably doesn=B4= t > have anyone to talk about what he=B4s going through. I mean, VAI signed > the damn guitar!!! > I understand you Carlos. I=B4m really sorry for you. > > Ernesto >
Thanx Dude!! And thanks to all the kind people who've sent emails, iCQ messages, Webcards (specially to you Mikey P ) sending their condolences = for my loss :)
-of course this is all in my mind :)
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:30:20 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Message-ID: <87eebccd.353d1dfe@aol.com>
i STILL never even heard spocks beard.. what do they sound like? is it like prog like Marillion or prog like New or Old Dream Theater, or a new prog style, or like death metal prog? or just mindless wanking of instruments prog?
Rocky someone@iban.nu http://www.iban.nu
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:30:19 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: A PLEA to Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <199804212230.RAA233394@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
>First, when any band signs with a record label - they agree to release any >albums under that record label and that record label only (read as slave). >That includes any record label, even the band's own record label.
ok, I guess they asked to the record label if they could do the rush project and liquid tension, but I have a question here.... what's the deal with the albums that are for the fan club? are they released under the record label, are they allowed to release them or do they have to ask everytime they want to release something even for the fan club? --- Alan Estrada Adler http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx http://members.xoom.com/Petrucci/
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:38:45 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Open All Night Records - get this CD! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980421183845.00754b88@pop.wam.umd.edu>
I second this motion. Got myself the disc in the mail today and gave it a listen -- excellent quality throughout, both in the selection of songs and their sound (though there's a bit of difference from track to track, I'd rate it as "excellent" overall). And then there's the price -- $10, and I live overseas (checked out the postage and, assuming a 5 franc for 1 US dollar exchange rate, came out to nearly $6, meaning only $4 is made per disc (losing money, my guess, but it's an introductory offer)). Separated by the Atlantic Ocean, I still got my boot only a few weeks after sending in payment. That's service!
Anyhow, as a summary, I can think of no complaints with the new OAN release, "Into The Great Unknown". QED, you should buy it.
Brian "Ron Popeil" Henderson
=========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===========================
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:38:33 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hey there Carol : ) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980421153833.008ab100@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> >There is much more from this list than just e-mails. Some of us have met >face to face and forged lasting friendships all from meeting each other >through this list. (Hey Jon K., long time no see!)
Hey there baby. Sorry I cant make the SF show, school and all. If you wanna take a trip to the LA HoB show, Ill see you there. Jailbait no longer ; )
>And because of this list, I have been introduced to some >awesome music as I was woefully behind. Bands like Spock's Beard, Shadow >Gallery, Fates Warning, Enchant, Superior, Lemur Voice, Savatage, Pantera, >Symphony-X and I would have never known about the mind altering, soul >stirring glory that is LTE if I hadn't been subscribed to the Jam.
Excuse me, can we get an *AMEN* to that? : )
Im not sure how you got into Pantera from this list, but they do rock, nonetheless. If it werent for the Jam, I wouldnt know about Superior or Angra, two of my favorite bands right behind DT (and of course Greenday and Bush).
I just absolutely worship my behind. ... ... ... Uh, I mean, you know, the Superior disc... : )
Another thing I was thinking is that Enchant's Wounded is kind of a let down. I had ABoTW a while before Wounded, maybe thats the reason I dont like their second disk as much, but it just doesnt do it for me...The lyrics to the first song are just cheesy as hell.
]From our favorite loony eckie@asu.edu:
>Well, after hearing Holy Land, I was pretty impressed. The vocals aren't >my favorite cup of tea, but he can belt out a lot more notes than I think >I'll ever be able to do.
No kidding. Mateos is a monster.
The dictator of the Jam, Mosh, said:
>p.s. If you unsubscribe... I will resubscribe you... it is endless torture...
haha Doc. God, I wish I had that power...I could torture so many of my "mainstream" friends with the glory that is the jam.
>From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) >On the Eve of Destruction, Masterj444 said: >> >>Remove > > >Error 990: Removal Denied
HAHA!!! I nearly fell off my chair!
Am I normal? Oh god...
Jon
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:41:53 -0300 From: "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsejam digests 70,71, 72 and 73 Message-ID: <01bd6d76$ae996960$ee2be0c8@uol.com.br.uol.com.br>
Er.... Can somebody send me YTSEJAM Digests +ACM-3770, 3771, 3772 and 3773??? For some reason I didn't receive them... Thanks in advance +ACo-Karol
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:21:11 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Power Metal Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980421161905.1177A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Dr. Mosh made fun of my dick:
> I would say that power metal would definitely have to entail at least some > double bass and crunching guitars that are unlike Eckie's Crate...
Heeey now, attacking the poor man's rig eh? How low can you go Mosh? >;) My GX-20M's better than nothin'....that's about it. :)
Wait a sec...YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY GUITAR!
~Eckie knows you're all laughing your asses off (I really really want a Boogie!)
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: pulse Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980421194350.18456B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
What does the videotape version have over the CD or tapes version.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:45:51 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Remove Message-ID: <49e9a501.353d2fb1@aol.com>
In a message dated Moshster says:
<< On the Eve of Destruction, Masterj444 said: > >Remove Error 990: Removal Denied >>
hah, i emailed all those people that wanted to be removed and told them how, so hopefully they will get the idea
Rocky
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:22:38 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Message-ID: <199804220022.UAA03085@ren.cs.wm.edu>
> > i STILL never even heard spocks beard.. what do they sound like? is it like > prog like Marillion or prog like New or Old Dream Theater, or a new prog > style, or like death metal prog? or just mindless wanking of instruments prog?
I've heard extremely little Marillion (and I didn't like what I did hear), so I personally can not make that comparison. Also, I've never heard any Gentle Giant, but everyone and their brother compares SB to them.
What I can tell you is that they don't sound like DT, because they're not that heavy. There are many parallels to be drawn with Yes -- mainly because of the keyboard sounds, like real Mellotrons and real Hammonds, but also because of the sheer length of some of their songs. The music sounds very happy and radio-friendly a lot of the time, with some of the most beautiful melodies I've heard in a damn long time, and they often perfectly complement some really bitter, cynical lyrics ("We made a world where crap is king, and the good don't last too long").
Their first album, "The Light," is arguably the most "prog," because it has two 20+ minute songs and lots of proggy noodly bits, while the latest one, "The Kindness of Strangers," has three 10+ minute songs which somehow seem more... focused. My personal preference is "TKoS" just because it's so damn well produced, not to mention a little tighter arrangement-wise. (It's also got "June," one of the most beautiful songs ever written, period.) The live one doesn't have any non-album tracks, but the live version of "Go The Way You Go" is worth the price of admission.
For the past three days I've had the three studio albums in the changer on random, and as a result I've been happier, more playful, and had a shinier coat and wetter nose. Your mileage may vary, but in my absolutely objective opinion, "Spock's Beard rox my nutz!" -d
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:27:06 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant (was Re: Hey there Carol : ) Message-ID: <199804220027.UAA03115@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Jon Kretchmer wrote:
> Another thing I was thinking is that Enchant's Wounded is kind of a let > down. I had ABoTW a while before Wounded, maybe thats the reason I dont > like their second disk as much, but it just doesnt do it for me...The > lyrics to the first song are just cheesy as hell.
You know how most of the time the first album you hear from a band tends to be your favorite? Well, I heard "Wounded" first, and I like "Blueprint" a whole lot more. The songs on "Wounded" just aren't as powerful. Like you said, Jon, the music is still great, but the lyrics leave a lot to be desired.
Opinion question: Is Enchant's "Fade 2 Grey" just a pale imitation of Rush's "I Think I'm Going Bald"? (I think I already know the result of this one.)
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:17:03 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A responce to this post and future ones of this kind... Message-ID: <01bd6d8c$5b9851c0$918c15cf@markphil>
Jam,
I concluded that the following post:
>I love DT almost fanatically. . .But this mailing lists occupants (Not = >all, the ones that are pissed off right now for reading this are the = >guilty ones) suck. >Like that guy laughing at the other guy for his mom breaking his guitar. >Lame, how would you like it if someone kicked in your teeth and we all = >stood around and pointed and laughed.
Deserves a special responce. Actually, Dr. Mosh almost pined it down. Don't read on if explitives offend you, but they are quite needed to discover the true nature and beauty of the responce to this post.
And I quote:
"F%ck you! You motherf%ckin c$ck suckin @ss lickin sh!t lovin bitch."
I had to to take the precaution of removing a few vowels, but I hope everyone gets the picture. :)
For future reference to this quote, use the acrinom(sp):
FYYMFCSALSLB
You could actually just post this acronim(sp) the next time some post of this disturbing nature comes along. :)
(My attempt at a semi-polite flame)
Mark
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:23:24 -0800 From: "HazeX" <mrhazex@pacbell.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773 Message-ID: <01be2d52$0d2131c0$7c584dd1@p200>
MP might subscribe to this mailing list, DUH. But he's not an idiot like the obvious kids in this list are. Unfortunately, those of you making the stabs at others, and being racists etc, will NEVER see how foolish you are.
This is/was a DT/Bands mailing list. . .Not romper room. I'd like to think MP thinks about as much of you racists as I do. I'd even be willing to bet on it.
No, I'm not requesting a response from MP. I can't believe I'm still talking about this myself. I'd bet 95% of the 26+ year old crowd in this list agrees. Given those that have grown up. :)
I've been following DT's music since I heard them the first time in 1993, but this mailing list isnt full of the ppl that I'm MORE THAN SURE DT would associate themselves with. Hell, if this was out in the open for the Press to see, hahah I'm sure DT would steer MORE than clear from many of the lame, childish, racists remarks I've seen posted by some of you.
As I stated in my first post. . .Those of you that are pissed off right now and reading this, and are going to reply with some lame flame. . .Stop for one second and think about how mature what you are going to type, really is. Think about it. Hell, go ask one of your parents, go ask ANY adult, I'm willing to bet I'm more than right.
I'm sure there is some racist newsgroup you can join, but this is not the place and I think its sad that DT has it's name tagged onto such a place.
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 20:44:21 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: mrhazex@pacbell.net, ytsejam@ax.com, Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773 Message-ID: <353d4b74705c004@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:36:35 -0700 (PDT) from "HazeX" <mrhazex@pacbell.net>:
First, there's nothing racist. They were talking about song lyrics, fool.
Second:
> As I stated in my first post. . .Those of you that are pissed off right > now > and reading this, and are going to reply with some lame flame. . .Stop > for > one second and think about how mature what you are going to type, really > is. > Think about it.
Yeah, and yet you keep responding. At least practice what you preach, even if you are an ignorant sap.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:47:46 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3773 Message-ID: <199804220147.SAA08556@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Blindness, "HazeX" said: >MP might subscribe to this mailing list, DUH. But he's not an idiot like >the obvious kids in this list are. Unfortunately, those of you making the >stabs at others, and being racists etc, will NEVER see how foolish you are.
Did you lose yer glasses? Or is English your second language? That was a quote from a TON song. I heard AOL is giving away 50 free hours.
>No, I'm not requesting a response from MP. I can't believe I'm still >talking about this myself. I'd bet 95% of the 26+ year old crowd in this >list agrees. Given those that have grown up. :)
Oh, so high and mighty and mature and OLD you are... I'm 26+ but I didn't insert the broomstick yet... You must've had yours implanted at a tender age.
> >I've been following DT's music since I heard them the first time in 1993, >but this mailing list isnt full of the ppl that I'm MORE THAN SURE DT would >associate themselves with.
Sure sure... everyone on this list has been DT fans since Portnoy's been in Rising Power and James was part of Winter Rose.
>Hell, if this was out in the open for the Press to see, hahah I'm sure DT >would steer MORE than clear from many of the lame, childish, racists remarks >I've seen posted by some of you.
Yes, this is a DT list, ran by DT, or haven't you noticed it's ran by the fans? We're only racist to the stupid race, I see you are the prime ambassador thus far.
>As I stated in my first post. . .Those of you that are pissed off right now >and reading this, and are going to reply with some lame flame. . .Stop for >one second and think about how mature what you are going to type, really is. >I'm sure there is some racist newsgroup you can join, but this is not the >place and I think its sad that DT has it's name tagged onto such a place.
Thank you for your non-stop amusement... please... keep posting.
-The Doc
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