YTSEJAM Digest 3780
Today's Topics:
1) Wow
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
2) relevant vs. non-relevant
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
3)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Wow
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3778
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
6) Satch, May 9 show, UACM
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
7) Maturity
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) I & W ...misprint?
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
9) Re: Fw: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Re: The Official Flame Competition
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
11) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: I & W ...misprint?
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
12) Re: King of Clubs
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) i'm wondering why...
by "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
14) Attention Aussie Jammers
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
15) I'll Try the Impossible ...
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:47:01 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wow
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980422234701.0070e8e8@pop.pipeline.com>
Even though I thought leonardHAZEX had a good point or
two at first, the man went WAAAAY off the deep end
posting private e-mail to the jam. Bad hazex. Bad
hazex. That's just Something You Don't Do.
CD of the Day: Payne's Gray - Kadath Decoded
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
First Round of the Playoffs vs. Phoenix Coyotes
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:15:15 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: relevant vs. non-relevant
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980422201515.006a1a78@scott.skidmore.edu>
In my Perception class today (and Monday), we discussed music perception.
There are so many wacky things that go on top of all the really neat
fundamental plus harmonics (timbre) things...like the tritone illusion, the
octave illusion, and many other crazy things. The octave illusion and
another illusion (courtesy of Diana Deutsch) relate directly back to visual
perception (the Gestalt Theory of Similarity and also Proximity), which
relates strongly to biological perception, which relates directly to
evolutionary biology, and so-on. What I'm trying to say is twofold:
1) if you're interested in music (seems like at least everyone on here
likes music enough to like DT), there are many relevant topics you can
discuss that are relevant to music in general, if not directly to the
reason this list exists.
2) if you're REALLY into music, you should really check out some of the
psychological and biopsychological research out there--it's so cool! Diana
has a book out, and there are many other famous researchers out there. :)
So, anyway, we can talk about Sony (a key manufacturer of items we use to
LISTEN to DT), and we can talk about other bands (influenced by,
influencing, similar to, or nothing like DT, because it's all music).
Hell, we should be allowed to talk about classical music here too because,
I can guarantee, most if not all of the DT members have played classical
music in their pasts, and probably were influenced by such composers as
J.S. Bach. We can talk about concerts, where we experience music from DT
or other bands, and so-on. Don't be so restrictive in what you think we
should talk about because, guaranteed, we can relate most of what we talk
about on this list back to music in general, if not DT directly. Hell, why
did I start to play guitar? John Petrucci man, that's all I have to say.
I could have stuck with playing just the oboe, but I didn't.
Anyway, I'm going to climb down from my lofty soapbox at this point. Go
ahead and flame me, but I really don't think we should be so limiting of
our topics of discussion. If a discussion gets out of hand, we may want to
tone it down, but heck, I'm game for chatting about a lot of stuff.
Have a splendid day,
Erica Bonomi (who should be writing a paper about stuff she doesn't care
about in the least)
ps: I forget my modes...I suck at theory. Been playing a wind instrument
too long....
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Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu
Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112
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http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/
Check here for the mp3 of the week!
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:08:21 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199804230008.RAA23144@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Odom, C. Brett" said:
> then. Now, every time I read the mailing, sure, I still hear some
> things about other bands and DT, but its greatly distorted by
> conversation about grammar, Sony, and other irrelevant topics.
But if there were no other content during certain times, there would exactly
be NO OTHER CONTENT. We at ytsejam pride ourselves in being able to talk
about anything... and carry on a good conversation, we don't view this list
as a classroom, we view this list almost as a coffee house, where people get
together, BS about anything... and talk about DT too!!! For the love of it
man... not because we have to!!
>
> -Brett
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:48:01 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Wow Message-ID: <4A2565EF.00043983.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Kevin wrote: >CD of the Day: Payne's Gray - Kadath Dec
A great CD indeed, anyone if they have a web site and if they are recording a follow up ? I don't want to have to write a snail lettter to Germany :)
graham
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:53:59 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3778 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980422205359.00b84b04@postoffice.ptd.net>
>Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:13:42 -0800 >From: "HazeX" <mrhazex@pacbell.net> >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Fw: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR >Message-ID: <01be2de7$92150920$6056d7cf@p200> > > >Very mature Very funny, to be quite honest . . . ;)
Brian +=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-+ | Brian Larkin - ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net | | "Withdrawn and introverted, infectiously | | perverted / Being laughed at and confused | | keeps us pleasantly amused enough to stay" | | - John Petrucci | +=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-+
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:47:01 -0400 From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Satch, May 9 show, UACM Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980422214701.0068ac7c@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Matt B inquired: > Can any of the musicains out there explain pitch-axis theory? I just >read that Satriani uses it a lot. Phil Carter? You're the Satch expert, >do you know what the deal is?
Geez, thanks for the compliment (I got called an expert!!) but next time ask something which doesn't require me to know music theory. :) :) Yes, I love Satch, but I couldn't tell you a thing about the theory behind his music. "I may not know about art, but I know what I like."
'Course, it'd probably help if I spent more than three weeks in a year playing my guitar.... *smirk*
Wes wants to know: >anyways, my question is--is the May 9 show on or not? I'd heard >that it was not confirmed yet (from Pellaz).
It had better be, he's making a trip up there for the show. And I'm going to be visiting a friend in Rochester, New York that week, so I can't even make the trip up there with you guys. Dammit all.
Itchy preened: ><bigger> I'm proud to announce that CDnow has just selected "Under A >Cyber Moon" as their "COOL COSMIC SITE OF THE WEEK"...
Bastard. :) The only things that've been sold through my Cosmic Credit links are the stuff I buy myself at CDNow. Then again, I don't have as much radically Cool Stuff (tm) as "Under a Cyber Moon" does. This is just a reminder, folx, check out UACM, it's THE Dream Theater site out there.
47 copies of LTE sold....bastard. :)
Ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Ron Thal -- "The Adventures of Bumblefoot"
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:50:58 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Maturity Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980422223712.7509A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Ok, now that it's the bandwagon: people are discussing if Dream Theater fans have the posture of mature people and such...
But I want to make something CRYSTAL CLEAR: Who said we all *are* mature??? :-) I'm *NOT* mature. :-))) I'm very immature and I like immature music! :-) Bring me Another "Kill'em All", another "Ride the Lightning", another "Master of Puppets", another "Images & Words"! :-)
I need speed, I need fucking laughable lyrics! :-)
"Bang your head against the stage Like you never did before Make it ring, make it bleed (hahaha) Make it really sore In a frenzied madness With your leathers and your spikes Heads are bobbing around It's hot as hell tonight (...)
The show is thru, the metal is gone It is time to hit the road Another town, another gig Again we will explode Hotel rooms and motorways Life out here is raw But we'll never stop We will never quit 'Cause we're Metallicaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..."
YEAH!!!
[]s, Rogerio "the immature motherfucker" Brito... :-)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:16:42 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I & W ...misprint? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980422221628.006d14c8@mail.geocities.com>
Hey yall
I experienced the weirdest thing when I went to buy I&W from my local CD store.. (yes I am a fairly new DT fan) It had the right cover.. it had the right image printed on the cd.. But the music was AC//DC... I thought something like "huh? I didn't think Dream Theater did "Big Gun"..
Anyway.. Cause I listened to it in my car I could return it to the store, and bought Awake instead..
Now there is something else weird.. This time I bought the CD from CDnow.. And the end of Pull Me Under, it is very brutally cut off without any kind of ending... Is it /supposed/ to be like that? I don't think so.. It just suddenly stops and then Another Day starts..
I think it is rather too much of a coincidence that there should be something wrong TWICE with the I&W cd.. was there something wacky going on with the prodiction or something??
*pouts* I&W being my fave cd (because of Under A Glass Moon and Another Day) I would like it to be -complete- at least :)
CIAO! Haje Jan Kamps +----------------------------------------------+ | Haje Jan Kamps AKA John Kamps | +----------------------------------------------+ | Undernet: Velites-J | | AOL IM: Velites J | | ICQ: 3589062 | | Email: hajejan@geocities.com | | Home Page: http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje | | Hobby: Dream Theater worshipper | +----------------------------------------------+
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:32:12 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fw: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980422193210.006f3cb8@postoffice.syspac.com>
"Sir, why is there hair all over your car?"
"GRRRRRRRRRR!!!! I'm a bear!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!"
;)~
back to your regularly scheduled flame wars.
~Vinnie
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:34:46 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Official Flame Competition Message-ID: <353EA8C6.BA2B4630@imap1.asu.edu>
Jon Kretschmer was really enjoying this charade: > I say we start a competition. We all think of the funniest things to say > to Mr. Haze and send them to him in personal email. He will then echo it > back to the jam trying to make his point, and we vote on the funniest ones. > Just with eckie and mosh and graham, among others, we should have some > real fun with this...
As much fun as this would be in theory, I just don't feel the need to show what a poopyhead this guy is (any further). :) I sent him one email in private, and while he did apologize for calling me a racist, he still had to get that shot in that he was more mature than I am....
I mean, come on, we're dealing with somebody who doesn't have the balls to use the NAMES of the people he accuses and then spams the entire mailing list with forwards of flames he deserved. Netiquette IS something to be considered whenever you write to this list, at least that's what's mah mommy always used to saaaay.
I could post that to the jam but naaaaah, I don't think anybody wants to read it. }:^) I mean...talk about your irrelevant subjects.
~Eckie HITS THE LIGHTS
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:49:54 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: I & W ...misprint? Message-ID: <4A2565EF.000F3C73.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>Now there is something else weird.. This time I bought the CD from CDnow.. And the end >of Pull Me Under, it is very brutally cut off without any kind of ending... Is it >/supposed/ to be like that? I don't think so.. It just suddenly stops and then Another >Day starts..
Er may I suggest that you read the DT FAQ as you seem to be new to both DT and this list, otherwise, zip up and prepare to take some heat :)
The answer is yes, more details are in the FAQ I believe
graham
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:54:35 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: King of Clubs Message-ID: <199804230254.VAA162192@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
At 04:35 PM 22/04/98 -0700, Uroborosss wrote: > >I picked this up yesterday, the day of its release. Unlike LTE this only took >me five music-store-plowings to find...
*** well, I have this album since march or something, I posted a little review before but maybe it was too early to post it since it was only released on japan.... ***
>To everyone who told me it's like Nuno's "Schizophonic" : What the hell were >you thinking? Is it because you expected albums full of of nothing but >incredible guitarwork, and neither of these two albums delivered? KOC is a >much more singable, feel-good album than Nuno's. I could play KOC while >driving across Montana in a convertible with a smile on my face and a bucket >of strawberry ice cream in the backseat, something I could never do with >"Schizophonic."
*** I still think that they are similar, because of the kind of songs and the background of them...Nuno was on Extreme, Paul Gilbert on Mr Big, both a hard rock bands if you can call them like that...I was fan of both...both were guitar players...well that's the background similarities...the song on both albums are something like pop songs...Nuno is more focused on the 90's influences and I feel Paul used more 60's and 70's influences..both of them sing very good and both of them played almost everything on their albums... neither they are focused on guitar songs... ***
>For the wonderers, KOC is a major-key album with upbeat, poppy tunes that >could easily find a place on radio-station playlists. And with Paul's unique >fashion-sense I'm sure he could come up with some cute little films for MTV to >play for two weeks before tossing him aside for Hanson's follow-up album. The >solos are appropriate like much of Paul's soloing (they fit the songs), and >the rhythm guitars are punctual and, well, rhythmic. Paul plays most of the >instruments himself, and also does the vocals, which ain't half bad. I guess >when you compare any guitarist trying to sing next to "Flying In A Blue Dream" >you come up with Sinatra, but Paul is a surprisingly good vocalist IMHAO.
*** yes I like Paul's vocals a lot, some of my fav songs there are champagne, vynil and the bumblebee whatever is called...but I really dont see any of those songs on Mtv...I really like them but they are not for the Mtv audience...in that aspect I think Schizophonic had more petential.... ****
> >"King of Clubs" has allowed me to upgrade my definition of "catchy." > >Catchy - when you hear a thirty-second clip of a song and end up singing the >chorus over and over for two months until the actual album is released, at >which time you can sing along on the first actual listen because the melodies >were THAT INFECTIOUS. A prime example would be "Vinyl," a great tune as happy >and hippy as the rest of this album.
*** yeah, that happened to me, I still sing vynil and I havent heard the album for a while... ***
> >The good news: for anyone who believes the rumors floating around like >"there's no shred guitar on King of Clubs," I beg to quash. Track 12 of this >disc is called "The Jam" and features Paul Gilbert and Bruce Boulliet (of >RACER! X! RACER! X!) shredding each other's asses off. Paul shreds his own ass >off, which makes it really hard for him to sit down, then goes over to the >drummer and shreds off all his drummer-appendages, including the poor >bastard's eyebrows. Bruce runs out of asses to shred after about five minutes, >so he rams his guitar through the window of the studio and starts shredding a >boy who rides by on a bicycle. It's sick stuff. To my shredder-ears it's a big >juicy 40oz. shredder-steak to sink my shredder-teeth into since I haven't >heard old-school shred like this stuff in ages. Both guitars are beefed up >with chorus effects, and Paul (gasp!) is still the cleaner and crisper of the >two players. Which makes it like RACER! X! revisited. > >The bad news: "The Jam" is only twenty minutes long. >
*** and it is pretty boring too, in my opinion it is way too long and is just shredding, it is not a song...it's shred all over the place whitout any direction or something...I sterted liking it but after minute 10 it is very annoying (because it's way too long, not because he's doing annoying sounds) I liked Racer X much better... ***
>There is also a piece by Bach called "The Jig" with two acoustic guitars >(possibly a banjo, possibly a seven-string acoustic, possibly an acoustic- >bass, I really don't care). Each instrument is panned to one side. Methinks it >would be fun to play live.
*** yeah, that was is pretty nice...I like that one a lot ***
--- Alan Estrada Adler http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx http://members.xoom.com/Petrucci/
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:24:53 From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Portnoy420@aol.com Subject: i'm wondering why... Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980422232453.21cfa47a@fiqus.unl.edu.ar>
There is any chance to enjoy a DT show in Argentina someday????? That question is driving me crazy everytime, everyday, i can't wait anymore... Se los digo en espanol... ESTOY LOCO PORQUE MI BANDA FAVORITA (DT) NO VIENE A ARGENTINA!!!!!!, ahora me entienden?????? Para mi amiga Niria: sos la primer fan de DT mujer que conozco, eso es genial!!!, me hace pensar de que hay mujeres que usan su cerebro, jeje, es s=F3lo un chiste... see ya!!! Please Mike... answer my question... i'm waiting since April 1996 to see a GREAT DT show here in Argentina... PLEASE!!!!!
Nico... THE argentinian Ytsejammer
------------------------------------------------------ Nicolas Matias Rincon e-mail: tabo-sabalero@usa.net ICQ: soon i'll get one Santa Fe, Argentina
"Seize the day and don't you cry, Now it's time to say good-bye Even though I'll be gone, I will live on, live on" - Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:33:03 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Attention Aussie Jammers Message-ID: <353EB66F.4487@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
G'DAY!
I shall be arriving in Australia for another reign of terror. I leave Friday and arrive in Sydney on Sunday. The final destination once again is Brisbane. If anyone would like to hook up while I'm out there (probably two weeks or so), feel free to e-mail me and we'll figure something out.
I know at least a couple of you tried, but the timing just wasn't there. Maybe this time around. Sorry about such short notice, but I didn't find out myself for sure until this week! Anyways, it'd be cool to hook up with some of you. I will be able to check e-mail from there.
Let's kick back some XXXX (ok ok, Gaz, VBs :) and gobble some Lobbies :)
Regards,
Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
as the sunrise comes down the doorway and the snow white falls like rain down an alley i'll be sending my light your way you are the doorway you are the *DOOR* - "The Doorway" - Spock's Beard
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:26:31 -0400 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I'll Try the Impossible ... Message-ID: <353EC2F7.D5F0340@bu.edu>
As my subject says, I'll try the impossible. I'd like to see this list become a more peaceful. I understand many of you are infuriated and disgusted with HazeX's comments as I was. But guess what, he apologized for saying people were racist. Has anyone else apologized?
He did not take back what he said concerning the maturity of some Jammers. And judging by some of the useless flames he received, he was right on that ONE issue (and wrong on other issues). Did he really deserve Killmary's letter? (I did send HazeX a private message saying he was wrong to post private mail). But what about the rest who needlessly flamed him? Are they better than him?
Let's end this war now, and put it in the past. If you want to reply to this message use private e-mail. Let's not clutter anymore of the Jam regarding this topic.
Isaac isabetai@bu.edu
-- "Should you lose this hand in an industrial accident, save it for me!" -- Roland T. Flakfizer
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