YTSEJAM Digest 3779
Today's Topics:
1) UACM voted Cool Cosmic Site ! Rsabbs/Tour info
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) Rush, and Re: Odom, C. Brett
by "Tchzrech" <Tchzrech@netcomuk.co.uk>
3) Oops!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Irrelevant Topics
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
5) Metropolis 12"
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
6) Marcel Berkhout's adress
by Jeroen Hendrix <jeroen.hendrix@wxs.nl>
7) Forwards to the list. . .
by "HazeX" <mrhazex@pacbell.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3777
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
9) Pitch-axis theory.
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
10) Pitch Axix Theory
by newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
11) The Official Flame Competition
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
12) The HazeX thing
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
13) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: The Official Flame Competition
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
14)
by "Odom, C. Brett" <cbodom@fedins.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3778
by BSSII <BSSII@aol.com>
16) Re: Irrelevant topics
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
17) King of Clubs
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:58:26 -0700
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UACM voted Cool Cosmic Site ! Rsabbs/Tour info
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980422125819.00c47178@postoffice.pacbell.net>
<bigger> I'm proud to announce that CDnow has just selected "Under A
Cyber
Moon" as their "COOL COSMIC SITE OF THE WEEK"... Every week, they
give this award to the best sites in their Cosmic Credit Program.
For a whole week, UACM will be featured on the following address:
http://www.cdnow.com/coolsites
They made the image for the link themselves, but neglected to use
the site's title. So now it just says "DREAM THEATER". Still very
cool, because at least it'll give DT some more exposure ! :-)
Also, I can't help but wonder if UACM might be partly responsible
for making "Liquid Tension Experiment" a CDnow hot seller. So far
47 copies of LTE have been sold by CDnow through UACM. :-)
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Jeremy P. Kube asked :
> I would like to ask for an updated tour list from someone.
> rsabbs.com\dt doesn't have the updated list, they only have
> the European tour up.
Don't even BOTHER checking rsabbs for current (tour) information.
They only add the info Mike Portnoy sends them (if you're lucky).
Seem to me they don't give a shit about Dream Theater. :-(
Just visit "Under A Cyber Moon" for tour dates (and information),
the latest news, info on all the (upcoming) side projects, etc...
As usual, I'm always open to suggestions for making the site more
interesting.
http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Btw, I am still looking for websites of venues DT will be playing
at over the next few months. Come to think of it, if you have ANY
info that might be helpful (phone numbers, ticket prices etc...),
send it over to me at itchy@dreamt.org :-)
Mark Bredius
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Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
* http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:52:21 +0100
From: "Tchzrech" <Tchzrech@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush, and Re: Odom, C. Brett
Message-ID: <01bd6e28$2a6bd8a0$LocalHost@xpnwjjkf>
> The only thing I am suggesting is very simple: Can we have a litt=
le
> more intelligent discussion and a little less sarcasm, rude comment=
s,
> and meaningless arguments? As someone said earlier, this is a
> "family," so let's quit putting everyone down.
> Another thing that has really annoyed me recently is the topics bei=
ng
> discussed. I can recall in the past that I have listened to certai=
n
> bands and bought their CD's simply because I heard about them on th=
is
> list. I even went to a Rush concert a few years ago with a guy tha=
t I
> met on the list, and even still keep in contact with him every now =
and
> then. Now, every time I read the mailing, sure, I still hear some
> things about other bands and DT, but its greatly distorted by
> conversation about grammar, Sony, and other irrelevant topics.
I couldn't agree more with this (I was about to post something to that
effect myself).
I am getting the ytsejam in separate messages, and they're coming in at a
ferocious rate: 119 yesterday; 84 today. Most of these are just people
beating the same argument into the ground.
But anyway, that's not really the reason for this post...
I recently picked up a second-hand copy of Rush's live album 'A Show Of
Hands', and found that to be a very well spent =A37.50. Can anybody recom=
mend
any other Rush albums? Please don't say "all of them" as finances restric=
t
me to about one new CD every six or so weeks. Which album is, in your
variable opinions 'the best'.
As a guide, my favourite DT album is 'Awake' closely followed by IAW.
Konneab Bat Rasian-B
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:03:35 -0700
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Oops!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980422130334.0076ac78@postoffice.pacbell.net>
<bigger> Oops, didn't mean to send that twice.
Mark Bredius
____________________________________________________________
Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
* http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:01:21 +0100
From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Irrelevant Topics
Message-ID: <01bd6e29$6baf3180$LocalHost@elydian>
> then. Now, every time I read the mailing, sure, I still hear some
> things about other bands and DT, but its greatly distorted by
> conversation about grammar, Sony, and other irrelevant topics.
I don't how many people will agree with me when I say that I see this list
as a list for DT fans, not necessarily a list for DT fans to talk about just
DT and other bands. The grammar topic may not be DTC, but I've found it
quite informative and interesting, and I'm sure I speak for at least a few
others too. A certainly don't think that the Jam's "greatly distorted" by
subjects like this. If it doesn't interest you, don't read it.
As for the Sony thing, it is relevant isn't it?
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ==========================================------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:18:28 -0400 From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis 12" Message-ID: <353E5094.5A78@mtu.edu>
Anyone know how much the Metropolis 12" promo is worth???
Matt
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:31:07 -0500 From: Jeroen Hendrix <jeroen.hendrix@wxs.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marcel Berkhout's adress Message-ID: <353EA7EB.23A1@wxs.nl>
Does anybody have the adress of Marcel Berkhout? I'm interested in his Den Bosch CD.
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:33:36 -0800 From: "HazeX" <mrhazex@pacbell.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Forwards to the list. . . Message-ID: <01be2df2$bb99b1a0$6056d7cf@p200>
As I stated in the first forward. . . If you ppl (those that are guilty, make sure you read that part) want to email me with your immature flames, do so, but they'll be coming straight to this list and I will NOT stop forwarding them until I stop getting them.
You dont want the emails on the list, then dont send them. I dont want them anymore than you.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:35:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3777 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980422161858.84218B-100000@archa9.cc.uga.edu>
> Since when do adults attack ppl for stating an opinion (wrong or right)
Since when is what you stated an opinion, and not fabricated facts? Since when is saying that jammers post racist remarks, when they really don't, an *opinion*? 'tain't, in my book.
> Since when do adults act the way some of you have towards me, when I = > wasn't aware I was even WRONG about my statements until now? > Someone explain that to me.
Here's your explanation: when you start making crap up about people, and strongly and repeatedly criticizing the people on this list for reasons that exist only in your mind, people aren't going to be sending you many flowers. And if you notice, this whole time people have been informing you that you were wrong.
> I admitted where I am wrong, but, at this point, no one else seems to = > think they are. That's fine. But dont be upset with me for being a = > hypocrite, when you're doing so yourself.
Nobody else was wrong. All people in here were doing was defending their fellow jammers against the junk you were saying. End of story. Nobody's gonna let that stuff fly. You go insulting people for no reason, you're asking for trouble.
> well, you have to live with yourselves. . .
LOL Don't be expecting any ytse-suicide watch...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Megadeth--Cryptic Writings ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words ktulu@arches.uga.edu Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into Infinity." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:55 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pitch-axis theory. Message-ID: <19980422205721.PWH24338@[166.33.99.41]>
Pitch-axis theory is where you play different modes based around one tonal center. As an example you play something in E Ionian (major) then move to say E Mixolydian (dominant). the root stays the same but you play in two different modes (keys), E major and A major (E Mix).
Ytse on,
eD
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:55:06 -0500 From: newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pitch Axix Theory Message-ID: <19980422211906413.AAA176@newcombr.netdot.com>
Stephen Dedalus wrote: "Can any of the musicians out there explain pitch-axis theory?"
Well lets see if I can help you :)
The principle of the whole thing is that you can put however many harmonic settings you want can be linked by the same tonal center.
Here is an example. You decide to play in C major for four bars and C minor for the next four. Both keys have the same root, C, and this provides a kind of pivot point that you can shift harmonies. Lets say you want something a bit more technical sounding, so you add C Phrygian and C Dorian to the mix. Well, now you have four different harmonies connected by your pivot point, C.
Just in case you are not a "theory head" think about it like this. You know those old wagon train wheels? Well the center is your axle (tone center) and the spokes on the wheel represent your scales/modes. In order for the wheel to turn all of the parts have to be connected. That means you can't change your tone center . If you choose A,B,C,D,E,F,G (add # or b if you like) Your tone center must stay that way.
WHEW !! I sure hope that I helped in some way and that no one is confused as hell:)
If anyone has any other questions feel free to e-mail me.
Thorin
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:20:23 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Official Flame Competition Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980422142023.00891c40@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>]From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
>>Top 6 reasons why I don't know you but I already hate you: >> >>You: >> >>1) Talk about stuff that you don't know about >>2) Post in Mime format which is a waste of bandwidth and annoys the SHIT >out >>of us >>3) Come to the list trying to badmouth the majority of us when you are just >>as stupid and immature as you claim we are >>4) Apparently don't even know how to unsubscribe >>5) Never posted anything that had to do with Dream Theater >>6) WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! >> >>I think I speak for most people in the list when I say this: >> >>GET A POINT OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! >> >>I'M FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR WHINING! >> >>S H U T T H E F U C K U P ! ! ! ! !
HAHA! Thanks for posting that to the jam, Haze. It is midterm time around here, and I needed a good laugh...
I kinda hope Mr. Dumbass keeps posting the flames he receives in email, they are funny as hell.
**************************************************************************** ****************************** Announcing the International-Flame-Mr. Haze-Competion, open only to immature bastards. **************************************************************************** *******************************
I say we start a competition. We all think of the funniest things to say to Mr. Haze and send them to him in personal email. He will then echo it back to the jam trying to make his point, and we vote on the funniest ones. Just with eckie and mosh and graham, among others, we should have some real fun with this...
haha
Off to studying for my calc midterm.
Jon
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:44:28 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The HazeX thing Message-ID: <19980422224428.13541.qmail@hotmail.com>
HazeX.... Iīm glad that this guy finally left. Please guys, letīs try not to get into these stupid arguments among ourselves. Just imagine that MP (or any of the guys from DT) reads the jam once in a while and he sees that we are arguing instead of discussing/chatting about good music... SHAAAAAME!!! Peace man!
Ernesto ______________________________________ "All I need is a good defense / īcause Iīm feeling like a criminal" / Fiona Apple / __________________________________/
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:53:59 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: The Official Flame Competition Message-ID: <4A2565EE.007CAD28.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Jon said: >Just with eckie and mosh and graham, among others, we should have some >real fun with this...
Good hard honest flaming is a hard art to master, but I might have to come out of my self imposed semi-retirement, just for a brief moment. BUT ! This oxygen-thief really isn't worth the time and effort. What we should be doing is finding a doctor who will complete the half finished lobotomy....
graham
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:19:00 -0700 From: "Odom, C. Brett" <cbodom@fedins.com> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Message-ID: <Megw.2203082@persia.fabrik.com>
> You're absolutely wrong, out of place, and obviously STUPID > for thinking that way, pillow-biting scum! How DARE you > think that way -- improvement for the Jam? PSHAW! I, a >member of the STMSYGTH (Society to MAke Sure Ytsejam Goes To >Hell), as well as the other members, including Eckie, Bafu, >Dr. Mosh, and international members (Rogerio, Graham, etc.) >will make sure this will NEVER be the case......rot in hell, >capitalist slime! This is what I'm talking about. I can sense the humor in your message, Al, but this is usually the type of reply I get! OK, there definitely is point to your statement, but it's EXTREMELY difficult to do, especially with 1500 people from different personalities and countries on here. Hell, most families can't do it with a mom, dad, brother and sister... Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for a perfect world where no one argues or where no one disagrees. I'm asking to have productive arguments about topics, stating points, rather than nothing but insults. I agree some of the topics are out there, but the Sony thing is definitely worth talking about, as well as recording EQ, guitar EQ, and others that don't directly affect me, because they're interesting. Granted the grammar thing got a *BIT* out of hand, but I'm sure someone learned something about the whole apostrophe thing, as well as be referenced to great books that deal with writing style and grammar. I personally never knew there was an online Strunk and White "elements of style". That helped me out. Again, you're missing my point. I'm not saying that the topics like grammar and Sony aren't interesting or educational, but they don't belong here. That's all I'm trying to say. Okay, I can see how the Sony topic might if you get into that technical stuff that only you musicians (I definitely don't) understand. You're going to find things that don't relate to you that you think shouldn't be on here, but no one is going to talk about DT 100% of the time - to tell youthe truth, it'll get stale really quick - that's why this list is a lot better than others. It has a great thing called DYNAMICS. That, with the whole "family" thing posted before (which made me weep) is what sets this apart ffrom other lists. The easiest thing to do is to simply hit the "D" button if it's something you don't want to read (or the page down button). The more streamlined the 'Jam gets, the more stale it will be, and the fewer "eccentric" tidbits of information will get lost. Again, at no point did I say it should be about DT alone. It should be about music. And I'm also not trying to push what I deem important on to everyone else, I'm just making suggestions.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:04:10 EDT From: BSSII <BSSII@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3778 Message-ID: <ce68fe1b.353e776c@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-22 16:07:02 EDT, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< 7) Dallas DT Show >> When? Where? Who is selling tickets?
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:23:49 EDT From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Irrelevant topics Message-ID: <a534df17.353e7c07@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-22 16:07:47 EDT, some dude write:
<< Now, every time I read the mailing, sure, I still hear some things about other bands and DT, but its greatly distorted by conversation about grammar, Sony, and other irrelevant topics. >>
Okay. My vote is for the IRRELEVANT TOPICS to continue. I too feel that 20 to 50% of the stuff on the ytsejam is irrelevant. But, it is only irrelevant to me. I'm sure the 50 to 80% that I consider relevent is irrelevant to others.
My view is that, I am getting opinions from people that share common interests with me - so just about anything is RELEVANT to the list. The only thing that is truly irrelevant are some of the personal wars that go on. I don't mean wars like the BAHR war. That BELONGS on the list, because the list is the CONSUMER BASE for these BAHR CD's - so it is like a CONSUMER REPORTS issue. Just as praise for BAHR is RELEVANT also. It sure helps me decide on what and where to buy items. I have become tangled in a couple of personal wars, so I won't say I'm not guilty. I am trying to keep personal wars limited to private email. So other than some IRRELEVANT personal wars - the list is perfect the way it is.
Okay this whole post was IRRELEVANT, so send the flames to my personal email. Everything is MY OPINION. So before people send a sarcastic remark "so glad you decide what is RELEVANT on the jam", I never claimed to have any control - just an opinion.
So grow up :o)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:26:20 EDT From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King of Clubs Message-ID: <4f1876e.353e7c9e@aol.com>
I picked this up yesterday, the day of its release. Unlike LTE this only took me five music-store-plowings to find...
To everyone who told me it's like Nuno's "Schizophonic" : What the hell were you thinking? Is it because you expected albums full of of nothing but incredible guitarwork, and neither of these two albums delivered? KOC is a much more singable, feel-good album than Nuno's. I could play KOC while driving across Montana in a convertible with a smile on my face and a bucket of strawberry ice cream in the backseat, something I could never do with "Schizophonic."
For the wonderers, KOC is a major-key album with upbeat, poppy tunes that could easily find a place on radio-station playlists. And with Paul's unique fashion-sense I'm sure he could come up with some cute little films for MTV to play for two weeks before tossing him aside for Hanson's follow-up album. The solos are appropriate like much of Paul's soloing (they fit the songs), and the rhythm guitars are punctual and, well, rhythmic. Paul plays most of the instruments himself, and also does the vocals, which ain't half bad. I guess when you compare any guitarist trying to sing next to "Flying In A Blue Dream" you come up with Sinatra, but Paul is a surprisingly good vocalist IMHAO.
"King of Clubs" has allowed me to upgrade my definition of "catchy."
Catchy - when you hear a thirty-second clip of a song and end up singing the chorus over and over for two months until the actual album is released, at which time you can sing along on the first actual listen because the melodies were THAT INFECTIOUS. A prime example would be "Vinyl," a great tune as happy and hippy as the rest of this album.
The good news: for anyone who believes the rumors floating around like "there's no shred guitar on King of Clubs," I beg to quash. Track 12 of this disc is called "The Jam" and features Paul Gilbert and Bruce Boulliet (of RACER! X! RACER! X!) shredding each other's asses off. Paul shreds his own ass off, which makes it really hard for him to sit down, then goes over to the drummer and shreds off all his drummer-appendages, including the poor bastard's eyebrows. Bruce runs out of asses to shred after about five minutes, so he rams his guitar through the window of the studio and starts shredding a boy who rides by on a bicycle. It's sick stuff. To my shredder-ears it's a big juicy 40oz. shredder-steak to sink my shredder-teeth into since I haven't heard old-school shred like this stuff in ages. Both guitars are beefed up with chorus effects, and Paul (gasp!) is still the cleaner and crisper of the two players. Which makes it like RACER! X! revisited.
The bad news: "The Jam" is only twenty minutes long.
There is also a piece by Bach called "The Jig" with two acoustic guitars (possibly a banjo, possibly a seven-string acoustic, possibly an acoustic- bass, I really don't care). Each instrument is panned to one side. Methinks it would be fun to play live.
Time to read the last ten digests...
Bafu Vai
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