YTSEJAM Digest 3783
Today's Topics:
1) Re: i'm wondering why...
by "Juan Ram?n Mart?nez" <jramon@servidor.unam.mx>
2) Re: Argentina/Mexico
by Juan Carlos <a?717829@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
3) Re: DT & Extreme
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
4) HazeX
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
5) Mailing list
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3781
by Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
7) Re: who is opening?
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
8) Re: Equation Of The Day
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
9) Dan Senko/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office.
by D04NMS21/04/M/IBM <d04nms21@us.ibm.com>
10) May 9 Philly is ON biotch!
by Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU>
11) FU**INTHEMOUTH
by Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
12) Re: Mailing list
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Equation Of The Day
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) UACM - (un)official sources
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
15) Re: RSABBS web site
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3782
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
17) CD switching
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
18) new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:31:47 -0600
From: "Juan Ram?n Mart?nez" <jramon@servidor.unam.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: i'm wondering why...
Message-ID: <353F7B02.B8CE927C@servidor.unam.mx>
Nicolas M. Rincon wrote:
> There is any chance to enjoy a DT show in Argentina someday?????
> That question is driving me crazy everytime, everyday, i can't wait
> anymore...
> Se los digo en espanol... ESTOY LOCO PORQUE MI BANDA FAVORITA (DT) NO
> VIENE A ARGENTINA!!!!!!, ahora me entienden??????
>
Well, I'm also quite impatient because I (and many others) want to see
DT perform in Mexico City!!!, about 1 month ago a radio station transmitted
an interview with JP and he said they would come to Mexico, but when?,
I say DT should plan a big tour in all the latin american countries they have
never been, I know this may not be easy for them but, can we fans do
something so DT will come to our countries?, if so, I would like to know what.
Juan Ramon
:)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Juan Carlos <a?717829@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Argentina/Mexico
Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.95.980423115143.3143A-100000@[131.178.72.131]>
Yeah, what about Mexico-along-with-Texas DT tour? I read yasterday in the
newspaper that YES is going to play a show here in Monterrey in May 28 or
so. If Yes is playing here, why isnt DT?
C mon guys, it s about time that you tour central and south america!
Mauricio
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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Juan Fco. Quintero wrote:
>
> Nicolas M. Rincon wrote:
>
> >There is any chance to enjoy a DT show in Argentina someday?????
> >That question is driving me crazy everytime, everyday, i can't wait
> >anymore...
>
>
> And what about Mexico!!!!! They can put together the tour in Texas with Mexico
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:42:51 -0400
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT & Extreme
Message-ID: <353F6F8B.9A593BCF@erinet.com>
>I also think that CmE sounds just a tiny bit influenced by Extreme,
>Waiting For The Punchline era. What are your views on this?
>BTW, does anyone know anything of a relationship of any kind
>between DT and Extreme? I know that DT played a part from Cupid's Dead
>in the middle of Metropolis on one concert on the Fix For 97 tour.
>Does anyone know of similar incidents? Juz courious...
It was mentioned priorly on the 'Jam, like probably late-94 or
early-95 that DT was influenced to make the three-part piece A
Mind Beside Itself (Eroto, Voices, TSM) based partly on loving
what Extreme did with the IIIrd Side's Everything Under the Sun
three-piece song. Something along the lines of "we listened to
the IIIrd Side over and over again on our tour bus." At least
they have an admiration for Extreme...
Dan
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:05:45 -0700
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HazeX
Message-ID: <354047D9.5B08@ici.net>
I just got a reply from the Policy Manager at Pacbell stating that HazeX
has been warned not to send any further mail to the mailing list. If he
does, Pacbell will term his account. Those of you that are in ACK mode,
please forward any future posts by him (with FULL headers) to
policy@pbi.net
His antics may be amusing, but forwarding private e-mail to a public
forum is a SERIOUS breach of netiquette, and I for one do not want him
to go on thinking it's perfectly OK to do so.
-- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ ______________________________________________________________------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:08:44 -0400 From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mailing list Message-ID: <353F759C.A81A2A8E@pop3.utoledo.edu>
Everyone who is bitching about the unrelated topics here should subscribe to another, more "related" list, and then think twice about whether or not he or she really minds the "unrelated" topics. I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but, I get one of the Nirvana mailing lists, and there are exactly two topics that are ever discussed: 1) Which bootleg recording contains the best version of "Come as You Are", and 2) Whether Kurt was murdered or actually did kill himself. Oh, yeah...there was another discussion...whether or not a flanger pedal was used on a certain guitar solo. :-] After reading that list a few times, I really appreciated the level of intelligence on the jam. (well, for the most part, anyway :-] ). Thanks for making this kick ass list so fuckin fun to read. Oh, yeah...I almost forgot....HazeX is a jerk! chris
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Date: 23 Apr 1998 13:17:17 -0400 From: Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3781 Message-ID: <005D1353F779D025*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS>
>>I'm experiencing the same thing - I bought it from a swedish dealer = (since Sweden's the country I live in). I believe it's supposed to be = that way. At least I hope it is - anyway I have to live with it. But who cares? When 8 minutes is brilliant, what does it matter that the = ending's not that good? It's still a damn good dong on a hellish good CD.<< "..the ending is not that good" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!! DT has the best endings since Rush. Hell, sometimes the best ending is that there is no ending - just the next song! No one crams more music on a CD than DT - I love it! >> So I ask you, say someone had a Blind Melon CD, but the music on the CD was actually Dream Theater, how many of you out there would be interested in buying it?<< The only reason I would buy a Blind Mellonhead CD with DT music on it would be if I could strap those asshole guitarist-wannabes, who thinks Patrucci's "guitar playing is stupid" and "scales and cock-rock", in a chair and force them to listen to it until they were enlightened enough to be worthy of cleaning dog shit off the soles of Patrucci's shoes with their tongues!! What ignorant assholes! Sorry - I guess that's probably been discussed ad nauseam - but since you brought it up I had to say it. I-Man P.S. Does "wannabes" need an apostrophe?
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:17:58 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: who is opening? Message-ID: <1c93a753.353f77c8@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-23 13:05:44 EDT, you write:
<< The band "Full on the Mouth" will be opening for this leg of the tour - no locals or anything of that nature I gather. >>
This band is also appearing at Jaxx(headlining) at the end of April. Hopefully just a preview of their gig opening for DT in May!! :~)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:29:13 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Equation Of The Day Message-ID: <199804231729.NAA30368@al.cs.wm.edu>
Bafu theorized:
> HazeX = Michael Coghlan Jr.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, I needed the laugh. :) -d
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:41:50 -0400 From: D04NMS21/04/M/IBM <d04nms21@us.ibm.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dan Senko/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: <5040200014322120000002L002*@MHS>
I am out of the office from 04-23-98, returning 04-27-98. You will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will respond. I will NOT check Notes while away and will respond when I return. For ProductManager or HDT matters - contact Sung Jun.
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:49:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: May 9 Philly is ON biotch! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980423134459.20771B-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Attention all jammers going the Philly show on May 9...watch out for the Great Southern Ytse Road Crew coming your way! me (Beavis) Adam Pye, and Paul Cashman LIVE at the concert! IN PERSON! A one TIME ONLY EVENT! Don't MISS US.
(In other words, we're making a long ass road trip again to the northern parts of these United States to visit other jammers and see the World's Most Talented Band (TM).) see you long-haired, loud-music-listenin', beer/vodka/Kool Aid drinkin' people there!
Wes "That guy with the huge Anthrax sig file" Foll
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Date: 23 Apr 1998 13:58:09 -0400 From: Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com (IPM Return requested) Subject: FU**INTHEMOUTH Message-ID: <02126353F8131003*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS>
Lord Have Mercy!!! The price to pay for getting to the show early for a good spot is going to be steep!!! I just checked out the .wav files from their Web site and I'm still retching. Even given the understandably lo-fi quality of the samples, I think the parts of the songs I heard totally SUCKED!! Also, I got to Vanderbilt's late and missed who the opener for that show was, although I did see DT members jam with them for the finale. Can anyone tell me who they were (the opening band that is)? Thanks. R/I-Man
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:04:41 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mailing list Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980423144153.16670A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Chris Bowsman wrote:
> Everyone who is bitching about the unrelated topics here should > subscribe to another, more "related" list, and then think twice about > whether or not he or she really minds the "unrelated" topics. I know I'm > gonna get flamed for this, but, I get one of the Nirvana mailing lists, > and there are exactly two topics that are ever discussed: 1) Which > bootleg recording contains the best version of "Come as You Are", and 2)
A friend of mine (Alexandre Lymberopoulos, who's also a huge fan of Nirvana) asked me to dub a CD called "The Last Night". The sound quality is comparable to "Lost in the Sky", IMO. :-) > Whether Kurt was murdered or actually did kill himself. Oh, yeah...there > was another discussion...whether or not a flanger pedal was used on a > certain guitar solo. :-] After reading that list a few times, I really > appreciated the level of intelligence on the jam. (well, for the most > part, anyway :-] ). Thanks for making this kick ass list so fuckin fun > to read. Oh, yeah...I almost forgot....HazeX is a jerk!
Now that I'm running the Nectar mailing list, I see some people asking the others (including myself -- how dare they?!) to be on-topic. I was never on topic for my whole life. If you ever had a conversation with me (Cassiano and Marcelo know this), you'd know that I usually don't complete my sentences. I almost always stop the sentences I'm saying without ever ending them, because I usually change the subject "on-the-fly".
And they ask me to keep me on topic. :-)
Haha!
> chris
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:06:29 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Equation Of The Day Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980423150543.16670B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> Bafu theorized: > > > HazeX = Michael Coghlan Jr. > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, I needed the > laugh. :)
WTF is Michael Coghlan Jr.?
Unknowingly yours, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:15:10 -0700 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UACM - (un)official sources Message-ID: <353F852D.4D0795AD@globalxs.nl>
Graham Borland wrote :
> Go to http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/. Click on "What's New". What's the > very first thing we see? A lengthy email from Mike Portnoy explaining > the reasons for cancellation of the Nottingham gig. This appeared on > the official site within a couple of hours of it leaving Mike's > computer.
I don't wanna be a baby about this but I think I had that on UACM like five minutes after Mike pressed the [send] button. Same goes for the tour info, if I get it while I'm online.
> BUT (and this is a big but) not all of the information on UACM comes > from an official source, and this is why I think it's good that RSABBS
> are much more selective about what they post.
Maybe I should mention that I never add rumours to UACM. The only information that goes on the site *without* hesitation comes from Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, record labels, official websites & fanzines, musicians who are involved in DT related side projects, and interviews given by band members.
I almost never add information I get from the Ytsejam or the news group without verifying it first. And I used the word "almost" as a disclaimer... Hell, I even emailed ProMark back in December, to verify the information someone posted about a ProMark Collector's Edition CD with a Portnoy drum solo... Running an unofficial site like UACM means always having to look out for bogus information & rumours. Over the last year, I've gotten pretty good at that. ;-) Knowing that the site now gets over 600 visits a day, keeps me on my toes too.
> Yes, these are more than just rumours.
I'm glad we agree on that. :-)
> But, if the people at RSABBS haven't been informed about any of > this by DT or their management, then they shouldn't post it on > the official site.
Who says RSABBS hasn't been informed ? And why would they have to depend on the band for all the info, when they can get it from so many other sources (like I do). I am not trying to bash RSABBS... All I have to say is that it would make a GREAT fanpage, but it's not doing much for the band as an official site. This is actually the very reason why I always try to have the latest info on UACM.
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 04-22-1998
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:35:33 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: RSABBS web site Message-ID: <dc2cc76c.353f89f6@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-23 13:18:32 EDT, you write:
<< Speaking of the RSabbs site sucking, why don't we do some kind of petition to try to get them to Make UACM the "official" site. I'm sure Mike would at least entertain the idea Art >>
oh GOD please... not ANOTHER petition... i do agree that UACM should be an official site though, if i'm ever looking for anything thats where i go, i find the rsabbs site to be quite lame..
Rocky http://www.iban.nu
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:48:24 -0500 From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3782 Message-ID: <199804231843.NAA26210@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>What I'm really waiting for is the 500-line post from Chris Ptacek >explaining to HazeX why he is an immature, ignorant, stupid and annoying >asshole, which will be explained in such a complete and logical way that >there is no way Hazex will be able to counter-argue :-) But I guess Chris >has better things to do, and I can't blame him....
Ahhh, yer being a dick. :)
> HazeX =3D Michael Coghlan Jr.
And Bafu said "Let there be light" and saw it was good.=20
> The band "Full on the Mouth" will be opening for this leg of=20 > the tour - no locals or anything of that nature I gather.
The samples on their page are interesting, but again, I think they're gonna get the Big Wreck response or worse. They don't posess the virtuosity that so many DT fans require in order for a band to be considered "cool." I think they're be worth a listen, but I doubt that I'll be convinced to go buy their album and learn all the tunes. Big Wreck at least had some intricate guitar work. This is more of a groove thing. I wouldn't bet that DT chose these dudes... but try to give em a fair shake... keep an open mind.
>BUT (and this is a big but) not all of the information on UACM comes from >an official source, and this is why I think it's good that RSABBS are much >more selective about what they post. The official site exists to provide >only information which is received through official channels (i.e. band >members or management).
The UACM info is EXACTLY as official as RSABBS. Itchy is frequently CC:'d on the update messages that go to RSABBS. Itchy does not EVER put up erroneous information and call it the real thing... he's more up to date on the rumors, but calls them rumors. He's more up to date on the fan related stuff, but that's the kind of thing where Portnoy is no better a source than you are. In all, Itchy HAS everything that RSABBS has, and then has added worlds worth of stuff that RSABBS ignores. Plus, the site is so much faster and easier to navigate... there's just no competition.
>Yes, these are more than just rumours. But, if the people at RSABBS >haven't been informed about any of this by DT or their management, then
>they shouldn't post it on the official site. This site serves as an= official >mouthpiece for DT, and as such it would be wrong for RSABBS to start= putting >words into DT's collective mouth.
What's wrong with taking a greater role in the realm of the fans? As long as these things ARE rumors, and are called rumors, there's no harm. Remember, DT doesn't necessarily have time to update the RSABBS page with every minute thing. Itchy has found time to do just that, and he's doing it for free.
>Speaking of the RSabbs site sucking, why don't we do some kind of petition= to >try to get them to Make UACM the "official" site. I'm sure Mike would at >least entertain the idea
I would say "Petition" is a bad word here now. Don't "cry wolf" too often if you want it to be heard. Mike reads this list, and I think Derek may as well. They have all seen the pages. Itchy has let them know that he's willing and interested. Just sit back and watch what happens. I also think it's kind of amusing to see that all of the recent RSABBS updates have occurred shortly after Itchy wrote Mike and Derek. Maybe the guys are kicking the web page into shape after all.
>FULL ON THE MOUTH (originally known as Lost Tribe) was formed >eight years ago, brandishing a ferocious rock edge that helped them to >climb the ladder of local notoriety. Their early works were chock full of >overdriven guitars and pounding rhythms, a sound that would later find >success in the mainstream. "We didn't realize that we really had that >whole 'Seattle sound' thing going before it exploded," notes Grant. "One >day I saw one of those bands on MTV and was totally floored."=20
Could that be the LAST thing that members of this list want to see? The opening band for DT is one of those "We were grunge before grunge was cool" type bands? FOTM will probably be stunned to learn that grunge never was cool, to most people on this list,
Christopher W. Ptacek
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman IRC: Madsman
=93I wonder if Harley-Davidson makes a unicycle=85=94 - Michael Hedges
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD switching Message-ID: <01IW7NOODBHU002E4S@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
I bought this Metallica CD one time, it *looked* like a metallica CD and everything, except that it sounded like some kind of lame, repetitive, country music!
Huh.
I think it was called "Load" or something like that.
............................................................ mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:12:24 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site Message-ID: <35401128.3615@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
The Official Empty Tremor Fan Club "THE EYES OF UNIVERSE" has now created a brand new web site.
There you can read the latest news and infos about EMPTY TREMOR as well as downloading sound clips and lot of more interesting things. Please visit and bookmark the new site.
The URL is : http://www.Geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/
Suggestions are always welcome.
Don't forget, as a member of Ystejam you can request a FREE PROMO TAPE directly from Empty Tremor.
Btw, can somebody send me the digests 3771 to 3774. I haven't recieve them.
NP : Pink Floyd - The Wall (Remasterd)
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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