YTSEJAM Digest 3792
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Harps and the SF DT show
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
2) Re: Grammer...
by "Mich?l Wert" <drklrdbob@mindspring.com>
3) re : EMPTY TREMOR - FREE PROMO TAPE
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
4) New Anthrax
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
5) trading good or bad
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
6) Re: trading good or bad
by The Ytserobber <icarus@sydney.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3791
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
8) Gaz the ytserobber!
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) Sanity
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
10) NDTC - cdr scream, IMHO
by AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
11) Re: $15 for da CDR, beyotch
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
12) Digital Ruin question
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
13) Re: Grammatical Nonsense...
by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
14) Re: $15 for da CDR, beyotch
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
15) Re: Ytserobber
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
16) NYC show ... need ride!!!
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
17) the dumbass that hates profit
by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:53:24 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Harps and the SF DT show
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980425005319.00774828@pop3.concentric.net>
Charoenkwan wrote:
>Lisa Marie <jessie@dreamt.org> wrote;
>
>>Yep, they were on sale last weekend... incidently, what you will receive
>>from the outlets is just a voucher, you will then have to turn in your
>>voucher at Maritime Hall to receive your actual tickets. This was the case
>>at Guitar Center, I don't know if all of the outlets work that way.
>
>The Maritime Hall used to have the actual ticket but now they do not have
>even if you buy it at the box office. I used to get the Maritime Hall
>ticket at the Border Books and Music store at the Union Square (music
>department). It's a very nice concert ticket with full colours. I picked up
>my DT tix at the guitar center store and they gave me the reciept to show
>at the door.
When I picked up my "ticket" (receipt) at Guitar Center today, the guy said
"This is your ticket. Don't lose it. They'll give you an actual ticket at
the door if you want it."
I also picked up a copy of FUSE magazine, Issue One, a free newspaper-ish
magazine on progressive rock. The members of Dream Theater are on the cover
and the band is featured in a nice, juicy article. Grab yourself a copy if
you can find it.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:01:49 -0600
From: "Mich?l Wert" <drklrdbob@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Grammer...
Message-ID: <3541986D.6001244C@mindspring.com>
Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
>
> >
> > >From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
> > >>
> > >>>> P.S. Does "wannabes" need an apostrophe?
> > >>
> > >>> No, but "Patrucci" needs and "e".
> > >>
> > >>The "and" does not need that "d" at the end Mr. Grammar.
> > >>
> > >you need a comma after the end, sir.
> >
> > The word "you" should be capitalized, Matt.
> >
> > : )
> >
> > Jon
>
> The word "Grammer" in the "Subject:" line should have been spelled
> with an "a" in the place of the "e". :-)
>
> (Well, at least <www.m-w.com> doesn't list "grammer" as a variant
> of "grammar").
>
> []s, Roger...
>
AH HA!
Took me a bit to find something in this post to continue the long and
pointless thread, but I did it!
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
> Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
> Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The "Windows? Linux and X!" is just a sentence fragment, and that
question mark shouldn't be there.
(Yes, I know, it's getting desperate when I've got to pick apart
people's .sigs.)
-
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic"
-Joeseph Stalin
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:15:33 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re : EMPTY TREMOR - FREE PROMO TAPE
Message-ID: <35421A35.535B@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Don't worry, anyone who had request the FREE PROMO TAPE will get it sooner or later..
Look :
4 members of the band are still going to school.
The 2 other have to work for leaving because they don't sale enough albums.
The Band will make all of these promo tape by theyself !!!
This will take time, since there are lots of requests.
Another thing is that the band will go in studio in May for pre-production
of the new album (demo recording).
They don't have the time to answer all the e-mails they recieve,
but belive me they will read them all.
So come on people, be a little patient and you'll get your stuff.
Until then, hear the samples from Prog Or Die and DR. Mosh's site.
Btw, for those who have asked me where to buy "APOCOLOKYNTOSYS" :
Go to the "LINKS" section of the fan club site.
And if you have any questions about EMPTY TREMOR, e-mail me.
I'm in contact with them and I will try to answer all your questions.
NP : Rush - Power Windows
Arash
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 04:16:06 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: jpmohr@primenet.com, Trevor R Morris <morr0209@tc.umn.edu>,
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Anthrax
Message-ID: <3541a9d424a4002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Well, I just recorded a new Anthrax song off the radio (which was accidentally
left there by a record company dude and not supposed to have been played). It's
showing the same problem that I had with the last Faith No More album; it has
touches of their former sound, it's really awesome in places. But in other
places they have totally sold out (oh boy, bad choice of words) to the 'noise
metal' of current bands like Korn, Coal Chamber, etc. I don't understand why the
hell they did that. There's also no sign of that double guitar attack...come to
think of it, maybe they only have one guitarist these days. I never heard
anything about a replacement. Does anyone know about that?
-Brian
"You've got to believe in yourself, because no one will believe in you...
Imagination like a bird on the wing, flying free for you to use."
-Ozzy Osbourne
Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:58:01 -0300
From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: trading good or bad
Message-ID: <199804251002.FAA12749@hurricane.gnt.net>
What is the deal with saying that providing boots for personal gain is a
bad thing. In each case, both parties are gaining, no one is forcing
anyone to pay $15 for a boot disc. Sure maybe it is not that expensive to
make these discs, but do you have a problem spending $15-$20 for a studio
recording released from a record label? It amounts to the same thing,
these people who are providing boots are taking time out of their life to
provide quality recordings to others who may not be fortunate enough to get
them for themselves. Some trade for other product, which is mutually(sp)
beneficial to both parties while some of the traders are asking for
monetary recompensation for their time and effort. So this is what the get
out of it, this is their personal gain. Now to say that giving away
something for free is without personal gain is a false statement. The only
way that giving something away for free is without personal gain, is if you
really don't want to do it and are forced to do it. Giving away those
CD-R's for cost plus shipping gives you the personal gain of a sense of
well being. You can say to yourself that you are a good and better person,
for providing this service without asking for any recompensation. Very few
things in life are done without a personal gain of sorts being achieved,
whether it be in goods or in a personal sense of satisfaction.
ouch....that is the longest I've had to think in quite a while...forgive
the rustiness of my brain.............
Matt Halloran
The Grand Rizard of Something
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:31:35 +1000
From: The Ytserobber <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: trading good or bad
Message-ID: <3541BB87.9D33700F@sydney.net>
Matt Halloran wrote:
> What is the deal with saying that providing boots for personal gain is a
> bad thing. In each case, both parties are gaining, no one is forcing
> anyone to pay $15 for a boot disc.
Really it is no one's business on this list what 2 individuals do
between themselves, except those concerned.
As long as the 2 people trading are happy with the deal they
are getting what the hell is the problem ?
yours in ripping-off-jammers
~The Ytserobber
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 06:06:20 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3791
Message-ID: <87f96d0e.3541b59e@aol.com>
NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org> 's rebuttal:
<< you claim you aren't asking for money or anything...no instead
you're asking for "Trade" which still shows me that you are seeking some
kind of personal gain from doing your "Service." I wouldn't consider you
to be a "Ytserobber" just more like a "Ytsepawnbroker" which isn't all
bad...but it's still seeking a personal gain. >>
This is a little annoying. First off, I would have no problem if someone
charged me shipping, "production" costs (blank CD-R), and added a little
extra. After all, if someone offered to do something for only shipping/costs
of something as wonderful as a DT-FII CD-R - they would be bombarded with
requests. Then they would have to quit their job, run their equipment into
the ground, get complaints about why it is taking so long, and then have
nothing to show for it except a smile on their face that they helped others.
Nothing is wrong with being this noble, but let's be realistic. Okay, you
probably wouldn't have to quit your job - but so much for your free time.
That is why I have no problem with somebody adding a little extra. And the
fact of the matter is, Graham never even asked for money or a profit.
Then when it is realized that Graham didn't ask for money, but rather asked
for a trade - he is still attacked as shooting for something to gain. To me,
that was the topper. I don't see how anyone could be ridiculed for wanting to
trade. And what you see as "personal gain" I see as "mutual gain". Both
parties are getting something out of a trade.
<<Do what you like...I live to please one person right now, and that's
myself...and it pleases me to know that I'm helping people in the most honest
way I know how...if I could afford to I'd just give the CD's away...but right
now I have a Whopping $1.25 to my name. Have a great day dude :) >>
And that is very noble of you. I think you should be commended for having
this attitude. But you shouldn't attack someone else because they don't. Let
alone your idea of actually losing money. I have no problem with "picking up
the tab" sometimes, but if I did it all the time I'd only " have a Whopping
$1.25 to my name" :o)
I just had to jump in on this one because this is one of the most unwarranted
attacks I think I have yet to see on the jam (only been here 2 months though).
I repect both NuGgeTMaN and Chris P. who usually have something insightful to
the ytsejam, so I am not really attacking either. Rather - I am siding with
Graham on this particular "thread".
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:43:20 +1000
From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Gaz the ytserobber!
Message-ID: <3541CC58.762C@winshop.com.au>
Graham wrote:
> I am far from a robber, just ask all the jammers, like Eckie, Luke,
> Insania who I have sent CDR's to for FREE if I am a 'Ytserobber' ?
Luke here;
Oh, yeah... Graham is the source of the cancer of 'all things yste', of
course. Why, that bastard even ran a mock competition, (the prick!) for
the biggest whinge about finding LTE and as prize offered a free CDR of
a any DT boot (god, he shits me!) and to top it all off, he declared me
winner and sent me CDR copies of tDoE and MC boots! (indeed the lowest,
most guttercrawling act in the history of the jam!).
Yeah, Gaz is an asshole, right to the core!
<if reader = moron with no sarcasm detection abilities
then goto 1
if reader = average joe with ability to understand sarcasm
then goto 2>
1. The post was not serious, Gaz is good guy...
2. .......
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:18:48 -0400
From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sanity
Message-ID: <1318622672-14142070@hutman.com>
I invite you all to check out the relatively-new Swedish prog-metal band, Sanity.
We have released their new CD, "Forgotten World" for only $13, which is pretty
good for a Swedish import.
They're progressive, they're metal AND they can write good songs. check out
some MP3 clips at the web-site below.
thanks for listening,
-steve
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DREG Records - New & Improved Progressive Rock
http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
* Sanity * Clockwork * Facade *
* A Tribute to Kansas and more! *
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:24:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC - cdr scream, IMHO
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.980425092146.24236C-100000@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
It's all about how you're raised. Some people are stingy and self
centered (usa is captialist after all...), and some people look at the
bigger picture. It's all pretty deep rooted philsophy, so stop being
huffy about people's personal views on property and money, and let's go
back to worshipping Dream Theatre.
-AlisOn-
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:05:29 -0700
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: $15 for da CDR, beyotch
Message-ID: <3542EAC9.3468@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
Hey!
I think this is a case of misunderstanding....
I read the posts from the start....
Graham said he offered the CDR's on a trade basis only and not for
sale...
The other guy said I'll trade you $15 dollars for a CDR....making a joke
which I need not explain!
Then Graham said I'd only do this if you had nothing to trade.....in
response to the joke......
There was no "OK I'll take it" or "Its a deal"....just one of those
little exchanges that gets out of context...and then out of hand!!
]From what I can understand graham is not a ytserobber.....nor was he the
2nd gunman on the ytse-knoll...
My $15.02 worth....
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:06:45 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Digital Ruin question
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980425110645.0079d8a0@pop3.afn.org>
I downloaded the two mp3s of Digital Ruin from Dr. Mosh's excellent site,
and I have a question for anyone who has gotten the album. How does it
compare, sound-wise.
The reason I ask is The Mirror sounds pretty good, but the recording on
Revelation is horrible. The vocals are too high in the mix, the music is
muted and muddy, and the whole thing sounds like a .ra file or something and
not a 112k/s stereo mp3.
BTW the singer sounds more like the singer for Heir Apparent than anyone
else.
-=-
I know a monster when I see one in the mirror.
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====-------------------
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 10:29:48 -0500
From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
To: "~YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Grammatical Nonsense...
Message-ID: <199804251528.KAA01367@oasis.novia.net>
Matt Johnston misunderstood which sentence I meant and said:
>Ah, but you are incorrect. "That" is a pronoun, and the "'s" adds the
>verb "is". The pronoun is the subject, and the verb is, well, the verb.
>Thus, it is a complete sentence.
"That's too true" is a complete sentence. "Capitals at the beginning of
your sentences, please :)" is not. That's the one to which I was
referring. (-8
Have we beat this horse to death yet?
John
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:29:02 -0500
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: $15 for da CDR, beyotch
Message-ID: <3542013D.5FB5E7D4@uiuc.edu>
Christopher W. Ptacek writes:
> What happened to trading for blanks and postage? Why >would you go so far as to actually sell a cdr of these tracks? For >someone who has made a bit of noise about Bahr selling officially >released Rush stuff, it strikes me as odd that you'd sell these tunes. > I wish people would consider trading for blanks more often... it helps >people start a collection, and the real goal of boots isn't to get as >much as you can that other people don't have... it's to get and spread >some really cool material around. The only really responsible way to >do this, IMHO, is to make it as cheap and convenient as possible.=20
Well, my questions is, what's cheaper and more convenient, writing a
check for $15 and mailing it? or going out, trying to find cdrs, buying
a 5 pack for $10-$15 for one, buying a package or box to send them in,
going to the post office before 5 PM and mailing it off? Personally,
I'd rather write the check and have it done with.
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:44:41 -0400
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ytserobber
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980425124441.007f4190@mindspring.com>
>Graham, I was not attacking you personally, I was attacking anyone who
>gets somewhat a guilty conscience reading my post, or to the guy who gets
>all defensive about why he charges this or that. However since you got me
>on a roll...you claim you aren't asking for money or anything...no instead
>you're asking for "Trade" which still shows me that you are seeking some
>kind of personal gain from doing your "Service." I wouldn't consider you
>to be a "Ytserobber" just more like a "Ytsepawnbroker" which isn't all
>bad...but it's still seeking a personal gain.
I usually don't reply to drivel like this, but I feel obligated since I
fall into the category of Ytsepawnbroker. I confess, I actually like to
TRADE for tapes/dat/cdr of material from my favorite bands. I am what's
called a "Tape Trader." I don't agree with buying boots anymore than you
do (in general), but I fail to see the problem with trading for them.
Using your logic every person ever to trade a bootleg (oh no! for personal
gain!!) is a "pawn broker." Hell, if people didn't trade music no one
would ever get the shows/material they wanted. I know I'm not happy with
waiting years at a time for official releases - are you? Graham just
wanted people to know he had this stuff available and was willing to trade
for it - nothing more than that.
I especially liked the note about how CDrs are $1.50 and that no one should
have to pay for more than media. I'd like to see how you're going to get
the CD from Australia to the US for that amount. In fact, the media plus
shipping would be $15 mininum, so even if that guy did pay the $15 he'd be
getting an excellent deal. Think before you write...
__________________________________________________
Adam Pye
alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html
^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:50:49 -0400
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NYC show ... need ride!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980425125049.0072f51c@maila.wm.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:05:09 +0000
]From: "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net>
>>Can I get an Amen for the band and Neil and the Fanclub?
a-MEN!
>>See y'all at Irving Plaza,
from where are you going to be coming???
Also, ATTENTION ALL SOUTHERN JAMMERS MAKING ROAD TRIP TO NEW YORK SHOW...is
it possible to swing by southern VA on the way up??? Puh-lease?? Pretty
please???
I saw some one of you post something about this... I am rideless, have a
heart!
Alex
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:03:35 PDT
From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the dumbass that hates profit
Message-ID: <19980425170335.15452.qmail@hotmail.com>
This is to that total moron who thinks it is so "immoral" for
someone to get personal gain from selling their CD's. Why don't you
carry your bullshit to its logical conclusion. Do you work? Why don't
you give back your paycheck to your boss since it's your "service" or
whatever the hell you called it. Come on, man! Don't be selfish!
Wait, you probably don't work and just expect people to give you shit
out of your inflated idea of altruism. I haven't flamed anyone yet, not
even that Haze bastard, but you are too stupid for me to avoid it. The
man has a right to expect profit if he does valuabe work for another
person, and he has the right to ask for any amount of money he wishes,
and he should ask for the highest price he can get in a free market.
jason
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