YTSEJAM Digest 3787
Today's Topics:
1) Zappa quote!
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
2) Re: varied junk (madsag)
by Per Pettersson <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
3) Re: Ivan Navarro digest reply
by Per Pettersson <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
4) Grahmar
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
5) Re: DT in DFW
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
6) Re: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
7) Monsters of Rock,Italy
by Yvette Cooley <beanvet@accessus.net>
8) unsubscribing, here there be tygers
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
9) full on the mouth
by Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
10) Re: KC for D-Man
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
11) Unsubscribing Newbies
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
12) *Sigh*/I bought another new album! Yay!
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
13) Re: Pink Floyd
by "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com>
14) VH III
by Pat Daugherty <PDaugher@bdm.com>
15) Re: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
16) Re: VH III
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
17) Re: Ontario plates...
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
18) KC, VH
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:38:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Zappa quote!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980424003451.28774B-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Someone wanted to hear some Zappa quotes, heres one:
"I detest "love lyrics". I think one of the causes of bad mental health
in the U.S is that people have been raised on "love lyrics" " Zappa
Mauricio
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:28:20 +0100
From: Per Pettersson <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: varied junk (madsag)
Message-ID: <98Apr24.073202gmt+0100.31365@gate.tranemo.se>
"Madsag" wrote:
> i dont see anything wrong with what gets posted here. if something=20
> doesnt hold your interest just scroll down. its not that hard...
Although you can be somewhat frustrated to every morning have, like, 70 =
e-mails waiting for you, 60 of 'em are of no interest to me whatsoever. =
Isn't there any way to filter the "bullshit" mails from the "somewhat =
interesting" ones? Nah, guess there isn't.
> yall did make me feel like i screwed up though, as
> just about every piece of electronic equipment i own is sony. =3D)
Poor you... anyway... what's so wrong with Sony? As I'm new to the list, =
I just can't understand all this whining and complaining... (BTW, my =
Hi-Fi is a Panasonic)
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"I'm not gonna try to look smart by quoting any goddamn celeberity (or =
how the hell you spell it)" - Per Pettersson
//Per
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:36:26 +0100
From: Per Pettersson <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ivan Navarro digest reply
Message-ID: <98Apr24.074005gmt+0100.31365@gate.tranemo.se>
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I have written:
>>I'm experiencing the same thing - I bought it from a swedish =
dealer=20
=3D
(since Sweden's the country I live in). I believe it's supposed to =
be=20
=3D
that way. At least I hope it is - anyway I have to live with it.
But who cares? When 8 minutes is brilliant, what does it matter =
that=20
the =3D
ending's not that good? It's still a damn good dong on a hellish =
good=20
CD.<<
=20
Ivan N replied:
> "..the ending is not that good" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!
=20
> DT has the best endings since Rush. Hell, sometimes the best ending is =
> that there is no ending - just the next song! No one crams more music=20
> on a CD than DT - I love it!
Sorry if I caught any weak spot there - I said "It's still a damn good =
song (or 'dong') on a hellish good CD", and I meant what I said. Well, I =
don't know if I&W is that "stuffed" with music (How long is it? 58 =
minutes?), but I love it anyway. PMU was the first DT song I heard and =
is still one of their best (guess that's just because it was the first =
one... you know).
I don't know if "wannabes" need an apostrophe, but "John Patrucci" is =
certainly in need of an "e"! :-)
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"Love, just don't stare" - JP
DAMN! Now I quoted a celeberity! :-)
//Per Pettersson
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:11:35 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Grahmar
Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34124A94C@ms.kallback.com>
>the soles of Patrucci's shoes with their tongues!!
> I-Man
> P.S. Does "wannabes" need an apostrophe?
No, but "Patrucci" needs and "e". :)
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:36:52 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT in DFW
Message-ID: <35404114.EEC9487F@sydney.net>
Alan Estrada wrote:
> >http://www.caravanofdreams.com/events.htm
Go to the web site and I see that DT is now alternative !!
Dream Theater **Alternative**
Promoter Line Presents:
With Special Guest:Full on the Mouth
Sat May 23 9:00 p.m. General Admission $22 May 1st
graham
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:39:49 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site
Message-ID: <354041C5.4B555B3F@sydney.net>
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> Don't forget, as a member of Ystejam you can request a FREE PROMO TAPE
> directly from Empty Tremor.
I am still waiting for a promo CD from these guys, I was told as far
back
as late February that they were gonna send me one. I still haven't got
it and my email enquiring about this is not answered....
Has anyone else been promised a promo CD and not recieved it ??
graham
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:55:32 -0500
From: Yvette Cooley <beanvet@accessus.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Monsters of Rock,Italy
Message-ID: <01BD6F34.D5CFF480@mtv-i-1-110.accessus.net>
You know what would be cool, and would be very possible probably, is for =
someone to set up a production of a video from the Monsters of Rock show =
in Italy. I've seen many bands do video from that show, so why should =
Dream Theater be any different? Pass it along.
James
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:51:03 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: unsubscribing, here there be tygers
Message-ID: <199804240951.MAA04503@xyz.estcard.ee>
D-Man:
> OK, OK, I'll repost it for everyone's benefit. Pay attention, huh?
> WELCOME TO YTSEJAM (last updated October 21, 1997)
Do you actually think anybody that wants to get out of the 'Jam community
actually READS the digests?
Raitz
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:54:41 EDT
From: Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: full on the mouth
Message-ID: <9f691c13.35406162@aol.com>
carlos wrote:
>>I belive these guys are gonna get booed off the stage worse than big
wreck..at least judging f\rom the samples<<
after listening to the samples, im inclined to agree. they seem electronic
sounding, (stabbing westward was mentioned, i got a gravity kills vibe from
one of the clips) which i personally dont hate, i just have to wonder what the
crowd mentality about that will be. based on the stuff ive heard and read
about how big wreck was treated in various places also makes me think they
will not be well received. the people in columbus werent too hateful, i mean
they werent yelling "you suck" and shit like that at them from what i can
remember. i hate seeing opening bands get treated like that, and it makes me
even madder when its a DT opening band, because a huge amount of the audience
are musicians, youd think they would be understanding of what its like to be
up there when people arent interested in hearing you. then again "how many
guitarists does it take to change a light bulb"........
i cant say if i like them or not, its hard to judge on 30 seconds clips.
i think their vocalist sounds A LOT like scott weiland.
~melissa~
madsag@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:22:56 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KC for D-Man
Message-ID: <v01540b03b166256538ab@[205.134.227.41]>
"Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com> wrote;
>1) '69-'71--doomy Moody Blues-ish stuff, except with real musicians and
>not just fakes. ;) Very dark. Kind of symphonic. Start with In The Court
>of The Crimson King. ITCOTCK is a classic from start to finish.
I agree with you that ITCOTCK is a classic but Moody Blues-ish??? Really?
>Wild shit. Get it all. =)
>Can you tell I'm a fan?
Oh yeah! I AM a serious KC fan, too!
Do you think that in the double trio era KC tries to make their music close
to those RIO type bands from Europe? I mean just the idea of how they try
to experiment.
Regards,
AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:29:29 -0400
From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unsubscribing Newbies
Message-ID: <354085A9.4942@ix.netcom.com>
Look people. We couldn't give less of a shit whether YOU deem the Jam
*worthy* of your flames and opinions. If you want to unsubscibe it's
VERY easy.....send a post with ASDF in the damn subject line and the
word unsubscribe in the body ! That's it!! C-Ya ! Adios !
Hell, Maybe we should post unsubscibing directions at the beginning of
each Jam. Make it the FIRST post of each Jam. I'll GLADLY scroll past it
once per Jam and probably eliminate 2 Jams a day worth of dumbasses that
refuse to read the DAMN F A Q !!
Zildjian
sig.!?!? I don't need no STINKING sig. !! :)
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:47:45 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: *Sigh*/I bought another new album! Yay!
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE51744B3@HAMSXHA2>
I love reading all this HTML in the jam...
Anyways. I'm bopping around Tower Records in Burlington last night (where
animals eat their young), and I'm looking for the usual stuff. You know, any
new DT (nope, and there's the DTC for this email), any Symphony X (nope),
'Perspectives' by Jason Becker (nope), 'Seven and the Ragged Tiger' by Duran
Duran on CD (nope - and no ragging on me for this one), and a couple of
other things. So I'm really disappointed, and ready to take the kid behind
the counter (who has more metal in his face than a 1971 Chevelle - where do
they find these people?) and scream at him, when I take a peek down the 'R'
section, and in the understock, there it is - Royal Hunt! So I pick myself
up off the floor and buy 'Paradox' (and the new Tactical Knives magazine,
because I'm a psycho mercenary in my spare time).
RH is, IMHO, really good! Very low-key, restrained playing, esp. by the bass
player - who has a rippin' tone - but you get the impression (especially on
Martial Arts) that these guys can tear it up when they want to. The whole
concept of the album (religious) also is very interesting to me, as it's
sort of a side-hobby of mine. I really like it.
And I almost bought Paul Gilbert's new one, but I was born a poor white
Irish boy... that's a story for another time, though. Like when I killed
that tiger with my shoe....
Nicholas Giannotti
"Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."
http://www.gis.net/~nickg
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:36:39 PDT
From: "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd
Message-ID: <19980424133644.26785.qmail@hotmail.com>
So I'm a week behind but I got to get this off me.
The PF albums are not alike, in any way, for every album there is
something new.
Dark side was a project on human stress.
Wish you was a big "miss you" to Syd Barrett
Animals was kick-back-and-play-music-time. Waters have not acliamed that
album.
The Wall was Rogers egotripp, but with great music by Gilmour and Ezrin.
Final cut was the left over from Wall wchiich the others didn't like,
and with other musicians.
Momentary was a big bang(we're back)
And The Bell was colm a laid back.
Mr. Gilmour has said that his favorite solo is on "Raise my Rent" from
his solo album from '78 it's also featured on What do you want from me
of 94.
This I know.
Log off
from
JCB
easy2beat@hotmail.com
www.angelfire.com/az/jazz4
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:49:59 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <PDaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: VH III
Message-ID: <35409887.B9984782@bdm.com>
I don't understand why so many people hate VH III. You should have known
well ahead of time that the fun party songs of Hagar/Roth era were gone.
Gary Cherone's vocal abilities are far better than Roth and Hagar
combined. Did anyone really give this album a few listens before saying
it sucks? Extreme didn't put out fun party songs. I'd like to see some
decent reasons why some people hate this disc.
NP:Def Leppard-Adrenalize
-- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:57:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980424095622.35912A-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
well, i requested the promo tape, (cd s?), and they told me long ago that it was on its way to me. Havent gotten it yet! Anyone?
Mauricio
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, graham boyle wrote:
> > Arash Ashouriha wrote: > > Don't forget, as a member of Ystejam you can request a FREE PROMO TAPE > > directly from Empty Tremor. > > I am still waiting for a promo CD from these guys, I was told as far > back > as late February that they were gonna send me one. I still haven't got > it and my email enquiring about this is not answered.... > > Has anyone else been promised a promo CD and not recieved it ?? > > graham >
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:06:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: VH III Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980424100215.35912B-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Extreme didnt put out fun party songs!? Were you talking about the=20 lyirics or the music? =B4Because the song "Do you want to play"(off their= =20 first album, Extreme) seems like a pretty cool party song to me. I m sure= =20 there are other, but i cant recall anymore at this time.
Mauricio
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Pat Daugherty wrote:
>=20 > I don't understand why so many people hate VH III. You should have known > well ahead of time that the fun party songs of Hagar/Roth era were gone. > Gary Cherone's vocal abilities are far better than Roth and Hagar > combined. Did anyone really give this album a few listens before saying > it sucks? Extreme didn't put out fun party songs. I'd like to see some > decent reasons why some people hate this disc. >=20 > NP:Def Leppard-Adrenalize > --=20 > |-------------------------------------------------------------------| > | Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com | > | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | > |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| > | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------| >=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:24:09 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ontario plates... Message-ID: <199804241524.LAA14702@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
Steph accused:
> Hum... > Getting a little obsessed with DT here? Living barely 45 miles from > Ontario, I see plenty of license plates from there, and I can tell you > they don't look ANYTHING like the logo's font... > > Get off drugs! Stop drinking! *LOL*
Ouchie. :) No, I'm serious. I drove behind another car from Ontario yesterday (why are there so many Canadians in Colonial Williamsburg, anyway?) that had the word "Ontario" written in a very boring, plain font. But I know what I saw the other day :)
> Besides, if it was the case, I guess it would have been noticed a LONG > time before, and long brought up to the Ytsejam's attention. But I > think it's funny someone saw that. Was it at night or something?
No, this was during the day, right after I had my daily crack pipe hit.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:37:25 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KC, VH Message-ID: <199804241537.LAA14743@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
First, thanks to all - especially Neal and Sis - for all the great KC recommendations. I now know just about everything there is to know about Crimson. :) I will keep you guys apprised as I buy more discs.
On to Pat, who wrote...
> I don't understand why so many people hate VH III. You should have known > well ahead of time that the fun party songs of Hagar/Roth era were gone.
I, personally, was unprepared for that. I mean, it's still the same guy writing the music. The same guy that wrote "Can't Get This Stuff No More" and "Me Wise MAgic" a couple of years ago.
> Gary Cherone's vocal abilities are far better than Roth and Hagar
Agreed.
> combined. Did anyone really give this album a few listens before saying > it sucks?
I listened to it for a week straight, waiting for it to grab me by surprise the way Balance and Carnal did. It didn't happen.
> Extreme didn't put out fun party songs. I'd like to see some > decent reasons why some people hate this disc.
About half of their first album is fun party songs. And let's not forget "Decadence Dance," or a host of other songs on II and III.
The reason I don't like VH III is because the songwriting just isn't trademark Eddie anymore. I think he tried too hard to be serious. Van Halen was always the ultimate party band. They were about one thing, and that was fun. Van Halen getting all deep and serious about anything other than drinking and fucking is about as natural as Metallica playing country tunes. (Oh, sorry.)
I've given VH III its fair share of spins. It just doesn't plaster a smile on my face and leave me humming melodies for the rest of the day.
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