YTSEJAM Digest 3802
Today's Topics:
1) DT Ramblings and rumours
by purpendicular@juno.com (Andrew M Wallace)
2) SORRY for Empty Tremor pain emails...
by "Daniele Liverani" <emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it>
3) Look at junior's GRADES!
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
4) FII
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
5) FII Stuff
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
6) LTE, Grades
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
7) House of Blues, May 17 & 18
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
8) double bass
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
9) Re: Hell's Kitchen/Empty Tremor Mailing List
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
10) I'm back (sorta)!; Texas Shows
by Chad Allen Klunck <cak0451@omega.uta.edu>
11) DT in SAN ANTONIO
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
12) My FII Quotes (everyone's doin' it...)
by Elizandro Max Borba <elimax@aton.inf.ufrgs.br>
13) moody blues
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
14) Re: The Aging Of FII, My Turn...
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
15) Re: The Aging Of FII, My Turn...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
16) Re: speak to me U2?
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:01:57 EDT
From: purpendicular@juno.com (Andrew M Wallace)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Ramblings and rumours
Message-ID: <19980427.180210.4886.1.purpendicular@juno.com>
Jammers,
Heard a rumour...DT has hired YET ANOTHER manager! I heard it's none
other than Bruce Payne, who manages the mighty Purple.
I guess it's harder than I thought to hold down a manager, oh well.
Rock on,
Andy Wallace
"Better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret."
DREAM THEATER: Surrounded.
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:25:03 +0200
From: "Daniele Liverani" <emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SORRY for Empty Tremor pain emails...
Message-ID: <01bd721a$8fa7d8e0$d130cfc1@default>
Hi everybody...
I fell very sorry for what happened....
I wanted to let now about our new site to all people that have been kindly
in touch with us
but my inexperience in emailing made me make a mistake...
I didn't know that putting all the recipients in the CC:line could have
caused those hundreds of reply back to all list...
So please don't do it.....thanks
We actually didn't want to create a mailing list....We really didn't think
to create
such problems..:-(
Sorry again for the killer email, and we promise that we won't do that
again...
Really...
Spread the word about that..
Regarding all promo tapes, we get over 200 requests and we are finishing
to duplucate in these days, then you all will have it .... BE SURE...:-)
Sincerely
Daniele
EMPTY TREMOR
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:41:20 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Look at junior's GRADES!
Message-ID: <35450990.33256F2B@imap1.asu.edu>
Man, Mike (Portnoy), what do you call this? A 2.8 gpa? How do you
think you're going to get into the arenas of your choice if you continue
to slack off in life...sheesh, and to think I went through 6 hours of
polyrythmic contractions for you. What's a mother to do these days!
It's all going to hell in a handbasket! Everything! *SOB*
~Eckie's not REALLY Mike P's mom
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:57:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427184446.8576A-100000@hypatia.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Okay, here's my left nipple:
1. New Millenium
Initially: A- Now: B+
2. You Not Me
Initially: F Now: D-
3. Peruvian Skies
Initially: B Now: B+
4. Hollow Years
Initially: B Now: A
5. Burning My Soul
Initially: B- Now: C-
6. Hell's Kitchen
Initially: B- Now: B-
7. Lines In The Sand
Initially: A Now: A+
8. Take Away My Pain
Initially: B+ Now: B
9. Just Let Me Breathe
Initially: B Now: A-
10. Anna Lee
Initially: A- Now: B
11. Trial of Tears
Initially: A+ Now: A+
Demos:
Speak To Me
Initially: A Now: A+
Where Are You Now
Initially: A Now: A
You Or Me
Initially: C+ Now: B
The Way It Used To Be
Initially: A- Now: B+
Take Away My Pain
Initially: A+ Now: A
How can anyone not like Speak To Me? FUBAHR! (That's short for FUCK
YOU BAHR! :)
Lars
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:00:34 -0800
From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII Stuff
Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA10168A6E9@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Thought I would jump on the groovy train and toss a few cents into the
mix of this most interesting thread. No this isn't going to be a play
by play, note by note, drive by shooting rendition of the cd, but more
of the experience, you could say ...
Before delving into this whole thing, I want to quote Solomon Short
(David Gerrold) in that "Nobody is entitled to an opinion. An opinion
if something you need when you don't have all the facts. When you've
got all the facts, you don't need an opinion." Wise man. (:
So, we have New Millenium. One of the most exciting and sense-tingling
experiences of a new Dream Theater album is finding out how they decide
to open "this" one. Since I missed the Awake tour (Seattle sold out and
I was oblivious to the fact that tickets were even on sale), I had
absolutely no idea what kind of differences DS would add to the mix of
DT music. So the bucket of cold-water enlightenment woke me up real
quick like with the intro to the first track on this collection of
tracks. It was so different from anything I could have possibly
imagined. Being "boot"less, I had no clue what to expect from any of
the new tracks. An avid fan of electronic music for a number of years,
the keyboards completely blew me away. A lot of this stuff may have
been old school for a number of you all, but this was just amazing for
me to hear. As a bass player myself, I could practically envision that
chapman stick being played and sighed in content and let the song take
me for a ride.
I must admit that I was overly anxious to get to the instrumental. So I
skipped right to Hell's Kitchen to go on another ride. Perhaps my fault
in music is that I feel it instead of sitting down and trying to analyze
it. Each and every song on the entire album had aspects of different
styles that I have been nuts about thorughout my life. I feel sorry for
anyone who feels the need to slam Anna Lee because it doesn't live up to
their standards or expectations. I lower my hat to those who felt that
Trial of Tears wasn't quite the epic story that they expected. Then I
shrug, laugh, and hit repeat and live the experience all over again.
I guess it is all a matter of what you want to get out of the music you
listen to. *shrug* There is a complexity in nearly every song that will
keep you going for hours (i.e. road trips are perfect times for these
cds (: ).
Take care, ya'll. Feel the music.
-= george =-
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE, Grades
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427185846.8576B-100000@hypatia.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Oh, BTW, my grades were what I thought before I got LTE. Ever since I
first listened to LTE, however, I haven't been able to get back into DT,
and especially FII. I can still get into LTL, TTT, and some other
stuff like STM, SDV, etc. But I listened to FII all the way through
last night for the first time since I got LTE, and kept wanting to push
the skip button during every song except HY... even TOT and LITS.
So it's back to listening to LTE constantly until further notice. Has
anyone else had this problem of LTE spoiling them?
Lars
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: House of Blues, May 17 & 18
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980427194225.1208A-100000@galileo.cris.com>
Kids,
The House of Blues (Hollywood) web site shows the age restictions for all
the concerts that are planned. Many of them are 21+, but a few of them say
"ALL AGES", and then at the bottom it says "All Shows ages 21 and over
unless otherwise noted."
The two Dream Theater shows are tagged as ALL AGES.
Good day,
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:19:58 -0500
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: double bass
Message-ID: <01bd723b$60bbcfc0$495099d1@homewks>
To answer the question of who was the first band to use double bass drums?
I'm afraid all of you "youngsters" are way off. Try Louie Bellson with The
Benny Goodman Orchestra! This was back in the late 40's, and no, I was not
around then, I'm ONLY 40! But any drummer worth his (or her) weight knows
of Louie Bellson. Louie was a tap dancer as a child and after he became a
drummer he realized that he could "tap dance" on the bass drum pedals...and
so another era was born. Now who was the first ROCK band to use double bass
drums? I,m quessing, but either Ginger Baker with Cream or Carmine Appice
with Vannilla Fudge.
Mike
Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hell's Kitchen/Empty Tremor Mailing List
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980427172550.20455B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> Gee, C'mon. "The Call of Ktulu" is one of the only songs by
>Metallica that really has atmosphere. It's not as atmospheric as most of
>the bands doing things today, but this doesn't mean it's not incredible.
>
Okay... after deliberating (and relistening to all the old Met
instrumentals), I agree. Props to Metallica's only self-produced album
(of original songs). Well, at least props to Call of Ktulu (I wonder if
Mustaine *was* what made Metallica good?) ^_^
>
> []s, Roger...
>
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:39:17 -0500
From: Chad Allen Klunck <cak0451@omega.uta.edu>
To: "A Somnambulist's Vivid Video Experience" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm back (sorta)!; Texas Shows
Message-ID: <35452535.CF3AF59B@omega.uta.edu>
Hola again,
After many weeks of blowing my mind to bits with homework, projects,
exams, and other such assorted mumble jumble, I have finally read a 'jam
or eight. Yeah!
This message is directed specifically at all Jammers planning on (or
slightly contemplating in the back of their teensy weensy pea-sized
brains) attending any of the Texas shows in late May. You must follow
these steps or risk mastication, excommunication, annihilation, or
another very nasty -ation:
1. Go to Ken & Nicole's page at:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/dt.html
and fill out a guestbook entry for yourself so we can coordinate who's
goin' to da show(s).
2. E-mail me (if you wish) at:
raytheon@dreamt.org
if you would like directions or a ride or suggested parking places for
the FW show; or need tickets and can't get them soon after they go on
sale due to geographical misplacement, etc.; or would like to help
conjure up a place to meet beforehand (somebody suggested the bar across
the street - it's called Billy Miner's, but there's tons of stuff
downtown, including a really awesome ice cream shop next to the venue);
or just feel like shootin' the shit and telling me how fucking excited
you are to be attending your nth DT show.
3. Get PUMPED! :-x
Chad (Raytheon)
raytheon@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:45:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in SAN ANTONIO
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980427194058.16438A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Sorry to shout, but I feel like I've been on a treasure hunt and just
found the HUGE chest full o' bounty! DT will play in San Antonio at the
Bluebonnet Palace (that's in Selma near Scherts) on Sunday, May 24.
Doors open at 7, show starts at 8.
***TICKETS ARE ON SALE NOW***
Order them by calling 1-888-597-7827. It's general admission, so there's
no need to panic. :) I'll have full details posted on my dt web page
within a few hours. Oh, yeah, tickets are $20.50 cash, $21.50 check or
credit card, and there's a $2.50 per order (not per ticket) charge for
placing an order over the phone. So Ken's and my tickets (paid w/ credit
card) were $45.50. Not too shabby, and TicketSucker doesn't get any of
it!!! wooooo! :)
Have fun,
Nicole/Kirby
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/dt.html for Texas 'jammer
information!
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Assistant Editor of Dateline
Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : a student publication of the
Undergrad Professional Writing Major : University of Houston-Downtown
stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu -or- ytsekirby@geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:46:49 -0300
From: Elizandro Max Borba <elimax@aton.inf.ufrgs.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My FII Quotes (everyone's doin' it...)
Message-ID: <354526F8.78C579EC@aton.inf.ufrgs.br>
OK, let's go...
#New Millenium
first B, now A
= At first sounded a little strange (maybe introduction's guilt)
but few listening proved this to be one more great DT song.
#You Not Me
first B, now C
= Has a good groove, but... a light taste of commercial intention...
#Peruvian Skies
first, now and forever A+
= Beautiful first part, awesome solo, headbanging climax!!!
#Hollow Years
first C, now B+
= Taste of cheese, but high quality cheese! Very pretty song.
#Burning my Soul
first C, now B
= Great for headbanging, but the chorus leave the impression that
i've heard it somewhere else... a little cliche.
#Hell's Kitchen
first A, now B
= A little repetitive.
#Lines in the Sand
first B-, now A+
= lighty long at first listening, but afterwards showed itself one of
the top points of FII.
#Take Away my Pain
first C, now B
= Good harmony an great solo.
#Just Let me Breathe
first and now C
= I don't know, it seems like a song lost in space or something...
#Anna Lee
first and now B-
= in one word: cheesy...
#Trial of Tears
first C, now B
Myung pieces are always few, but good. Seems that he's the kind of guy
that only talk and do what he needs to, in order to avoid bullshits.
See u...
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:48:39 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: moody blues
Message-ID: <01IWDLEYHF2E003S34@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 27-APR-1998 20:44:34
>3. Peruvian Skies -- My favorite song on the album, especially the
>drums, also my Mom's favorite, she heard a little Moody Blues in it
Is your mom the same one who thought she heard Moody Blues in *voices*????
Why do I get this image of your mother liking Moody Blues the way that guy
likes stickers in the AT+T commercial?
Guy: No, I mean, I REALLY like stickers.
(pan to left to reveal car, garage, and dog, all covered in stickers.)
Paul Reiser: Scariest thing I've ever seen in my life.
josh
............................................................
mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:50:57 EDT
From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Aging Of FII, My Turn...
Message-ID: <ce7303a6.354527f2@aol.com>
Hi Gang -
I must say that this is a VERY refreshing thread... thanks for throwing this
one out there, Mike!
I'll try to keep this brief, since there have been several posts on this, but
thusfar, as I'm sure is the case with many out there, I 100% agree with some
of the reviews, but totally disagree with others. And now, a synopsis:
The Biggest and Best "Agers": New Millennium, Lines In the Sand, and Just Let
Me Breathe. I wasn't too nuts about NM when I first heard it, but damn Mike,
you were so right in saying that this is song KILLS now! :-) Probably the
biggest overall gainer, NM went from toleration to being programmed on
"repeat"! Believe it or not, I actually wasn't too crazy about LITS the first
few times either. My first exposure to this was live in Poughkeepsie, and
this really didn't do anything for me for quite a while. After repeated CD
listens, I can't get enough of this bad boy now. Breathtakingly awesome. :-)
Same goes for JLMB. Didn't like it much in Poughkeepsie, but the studio
version makes my ears BLEED! And that's a GOOD thing..... :-) Methinks it
may be the decibal level that the song MUST be played on that's doing it.....
Hmmmmmm.....
Still Killer after All This Time: Trial Of Tears, Burning My Soul, Peruvian
Skies. ToT was and still is my fave track on the CD. Definitely in my top 5
alltime DT tunes, I have NEVER gotten sick of this one. D-Man, you hit the
nail right on the head about BMS in Poughkeepsie! I nearly shat myself the
first time I heard it. Still love the song (I think I like the way DT split
HK and BMS on the album better than the original combo of the two), but
nothing will top that first time. ;-) Peruvian Skies rocked in concert,
and rox even more now. That ending.... The Groove That Maks Your Booty
Move!!! :-)
Not Doing As Well: Take Away My Pain, Anna Lee, Hollow Years. TAMP and AL
both started with a head of steam, but now I'm tiring of them a bit. I too
totally love the demo of TAMP... why they changed it, I'll never understand.
Hollow Years started as a masterpiece, but it's been downgraded to an almost
masterpiece. Overall, I still really like these 3 songs, though.
Never Liked It, Still Don't: You Not Me. Sorry, I've tried, I really have.
But, You OR Me is just lightyears better than the album version. This is the
only song on the CD I've ever skipped over intentionally.
In Conclusion: I think that overall, (don't flame me to death... please!)
this album has aged with me better than any of their previous ones. (Maybe
it's just due the incredible overplaying that IaW and Awake got.) I may go
out on a limb and say that this may be their best album to date. It is
certainly their most diverse. I had huge hopes for FII and, with the
exception of YNM, it has not let me down in the least.
Okay, so this wasn't so brief. :-)
Laterz....... Matt T.
NP: Sepultura "Chaos A.D."
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The Aging Of FII, My Turn...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980427180453.9196B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, MTeiper wrote:
>In Conclusion: I think that overall, (don't flame me to death... please!)
Flame you for thinking? Never! ^_^
But... do you have any opinion on Hell's Kitchen, or did I just skim too
quickly?
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:25:13 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: speak to me U2?
Message-ID: <199804280125.VAA24971@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
"earthblind, starbound" butchered, raped, and smashed to pieces the following
post:
> How do we get two U2-influenced songs in one album writing session? Who in the band
> is the major U2 fan?
I would venture to guess it's JP. Just from the renditions of "Bad" they used
to do (cf. the Awake acoustic show and 12/28/95 Birch Hill), and the fact that
the way you can tell a U2 song (at least the old, good ones) is by that jangly
guitar tone.
> Is Dream Theater's next album going to be completely sterile
> and corporate? Inquiring minds want to know.
If it is, it ain't gonna be because the band likes U2. There was once a time
when U2 was simply a great rock band. There are worse influences than U2.
> (I'd still prefer STM to Anna Lee. Then give me You Or Me instead of You Not
> Me, the demo version of Take Away My Pain instead of the album version, Raise
> the Knife instead of BMS/HK, ditch Hollow Years (not enough space left) and this'd
> be one of my favorite albums. If I had a CD-R, it'd be a cool thing to create...)
Except for STM over AL and ditching HY, I'm with ya.
-d
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