YTSEJAM Digest 3809
Today's Topics:
1) Re: moaning women (D-Mang)
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
2) Hank's secrets revealed (NDTC, NMBC)
by Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
3) Re: NT Album Themes part 4
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) Re: moaning women
by Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
5) more on Hank
by Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
6) damn empty tremor
by Pat Daugherty <PDaugher@bdm.com>
7) Moaning women
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
8) Moaning Women
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
9) VA and Daytona's...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
10) Re: Moaning women
by Rob Jurado <Jurado@worldnet.att.net>
11) HANK'S #1!!!!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
12) Me writing posts vs. making CDs
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:04:03 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: moaning women (D-Mang)
Message-ID: <2b0a24e7.35463634@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-28 15:41:56 EDT, you write:
<< While this probably doesn't classify as "moaning" per se, I always thought
the
girl at the beginning of Vai's "I Would Love To" ("You know, I'm very very
shy") always sounded really sexy.
>>
ewwww man you's a sicko.... thats a little boy who says that
LMFAO
Rocky
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:02:56 -0400
From: Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hank's secrets revealed (NDTC, NMBC)
Message-ID: <354635EF.E94FEC62@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Sorry for posting such a lenghty post with NDTC......
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> > Wow, this Hank thing is REALLY taking off!!
>
> Eh, excuse me... who the fuck is this "Hank" and what the hell is going on, anyway? Meanless shit, I suppose...
Well being a big Howard Stern fan since the late '80s (good old WYSP) I feel I can enlighten everyone else here
who doesn't have a clue what the hell we're talking about. Howard has combined a large group of 'wackos' with
various mental problems who are regular guests on the show. He calls these characters The Wack Pack. Now I know
that many people would think of this as cruel that Howard would exploit these people's problems on national radio.
Let me assure you though, that these characters all WANT to do this. They are concidered celebrities by Howard's
fans, and make a good deal of money in personal appearances and merchandise. Crackhead Bob, for example, is always
going on some sort of celebrity cruise, has an official web-site, and merchandise.
Hank the Angry Dwarf is just that, a drunken dwarf. He often calls into the show drunk. And I believe it was
someone like Joey Buttafucco's wife that Hank was caught dancing with at Howard's last birthday party. Another
sourse of comedy for Howard is to exploit the hypocrasy (sp?) of the Hollywood elite. He has hired Stuttering John
to interview celebrities outside of special events such as the Grammy's and Oscar's, and at book signings. Howard
believed that if the celeb's were rude to John, they would be, in practice, rude to the handicapped, so John was
the perfect person to ask all those strange yet typical Howard questions. As an example, at the last Grammy's he
asked 'Busta Rhymes' if he supported ebonics, and at the same show asked christian artist Steven Curtis Chapman,
"do you really have a record contract!?".
Now, this all ties in with Hank's being voted to the People's most beautiful contest. Can anyone imagine how
pitiful it is that a high budget magazine would actually ask who is the most physically attractive person in
Hollywood, one of the most truly superficial human characteristics!? A fan suggested that us Howard Stern fans
make a mockery of such a superficial poll by doing just that, voting for Hank the Angry Dwarf as Most Beautiful
American. The response was overwealming, and we made such a mockery of the poll, by voting Hank #1, that People
has now shut down the poll due to "technical problems" (yea, right!).
Again, sorry for posting such a lengthy post that does not involve DTC. Howard's unnofficial/official page has
details about Hank and the rest of the Wack Pack at this URL.....
-Nate
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / IRC and VP chat room alias: Horizen mailto:nrood@utk.edu \ Excite Message Board alias: Quietus or try:nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu / ICQ: 6170743 ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:09:16 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU Subject: Re: NT Album Themes part 4 Message-ID: <199804282009.QAA17351@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> {cont'd from part 3} > Whoa, this is getting pretty lengthy here!
That's what *she* said! (Sorry, had to. :)
> to it fresher than ever. HYF is wonderful, but the live tour seemed so > anemic... so forced. From Presto onward, Rush seems to finally be having
Agreed. I *still* don't have ASoH on cd, because I just don't enjoy it nearly as much as any other live stuff I have by them (official or otherwise).
> us. Anagram is mainly wordplay. Red Tide with the destruction of the
Anagram to me is pure magic. I remember when I "got it" - sitting in my room, reading along with the cassette's liner notes, and I figured out what Neil had done. From that point on, Neil has been my favorite rock lyricist. It would take a damn miracle for someone to knock him off that perch for me.
> environment (sidenote: Neil started getting preachy here, and he hasn't > quit since). Hand Over Fist about the magic of other people and how they
You think Neil started getting preachy with Red Tide? Or are you differentiating preachy w.r.t. the environment and other liberal-type issues versus preachy w.r.t. philosophy, individualism, objectivism, the value of beauty and art, etc...? We accuse people of being preachy, I think (and this is no dig at you, Mike - we're all guilty), when people become vocal about stuff we disagree about.
Besides, it could be argued that Red Tide is not preaching, rather just stating the facts and letting the listener decide what side he or she is on. There is little, if any, work of Neil's that I would call heavy-handed or blunt. He's a reporter, and he lets us analyze. Show, don't tell.
> can enrich oneself just by being there. "Take a walk outside yourself to > some exotic land... greet a passing stranger, feel the strength in his > hand... and FEEL THE WORLD EXPAND." And Available Light really just sums > it up, and summary songs are usually well-loved by the hardcore.
And Rush is great at it. Is there any last song on a Rush album that isn't simply captivating?
> Roll The Bones is an easy one: Chance. Neil said as much straight to > us, and it's so damned obvious I won't even waste any more time on it > here.
Yup.
> Counterparts... well, this one's another tautology. It's about > counterparts! Things that are counterpart to one another. Things that go > together, whether against each other or in combination. Neil pretty much > finalized his mastery of thematic cohesion here.
Yup. Again, musically, the Atlantic album's aren't my favorite (but my least-favorite Rush album is akin to my least-favorite Rush concert -- there isn't a substandard one in the bunch), but lyrically, Neil hit his stride.
> As for Test For Echo, it's just what the band said it was about... > feedback. The need to send out one's signal and hear what they'll get in > response. It's about the back and forth of any opinion, ideology, or > value. Notice my summaries are getting shorter... because Rush started > making it so bloody EASY lately by doing it WELL.
Yeah, it was very considerate of Neil to do that for us. :) That's probably why I noticed the themes so easily on the Atlantic albums, and didn't really notice or pay attention to the themes of the Mercury albums till now. I mean, hell, the bunnies on Presto, the dice on RTB, the inner liner of CP (all the various pictures of counterparts), the dishes on TFE...
> That's Rush. Now we've examined how two very different bands work > thematically within their album structures, and both of these bands are > admitted heavy influences of OFB, Dream Theater.
<raising hand> Is this gonna be on the final? (Sorry, force of habit. :)
> But look what DT has > done! It almost looks as though they DON'T ALWAYS KNOW what they're > trying to do. The closest they came, as far as I can tell, was with > Awake. > > WDADU is easy... it's about dreams, and the power of dreams and how
Yeah, I'll give you that. But before we go on, I think it's important to note that Metallica and Rush have had one principal lyricist the whole time (the album "Rush" notwithstanding). It's harder to be cohesive when four guys are writing lyrics.
Then again, a common background (Long Island, Berklee) probably lends itself to the task somewhat.
Yet I digress.
> Alas that the same is not true for Images. The crucial flaw in this > album and about the only thing keeping it short of perfection is that > it's so hodge-podge... none of the songs are connected to one another
Well, now that I have thought about it some, there seem to be two recurring themes throughout *all* of their stuff - water and religion/belief/faith. The former:
DLPM: "Now it seems the sea will be my grave" (Kev?) AFiL: "A hero in frozen water" (John) LFAGA: "I've tried to wash from memory feelings of betrayal..." (Kev) TOWHTSTS: "We were racing the rain" (John) OAMOT: "A father's benediction...to brave the sea of rage..." (Kev) PMU: "Seas increase, and then fall again." (Kev) TTT: "Feel the water rise around me" (Kev? JM?) UAGM: "Chase the water racing from the sky" (John) WFS: "Water can't cover her memory" (Kev) 6:00: "So many ways to drown a man" (Kev) Lie: "Daybreak, at the bottom of a lake" (Kev) LSoaD: "She could turn a drop of water into an ocean" (JM)
I could go on, but I won't. Again, I think the water thing is a function of growing up on LI (or just around water). God knows I've used it once or twice.
And I'll leave the religion/belief/faith thing up to you. A couple of obvious lines:
LFAGA: "I can see what trust and loyalty have done for me" (Kev) OAMOT: "I can still find the courage with promise I've found in my faith" (Kev) Surrounded: well, the whole song :) (Kev) Lie: same comment (Kev)
OK, so that theme is probably mostly Kev's doing (though I'm sure the others have contributed). And this is only through Awake. There's more of each in ACoS and FII.
> who the HELL > knows what TTT is about, it's such a potpourri of different writers and > their differing ideas and meanderings;
Not so fast. Think about the way OAMOT, TTT, and JLMB tie together, and I think you'll see a common theme. (Is that cryptic enough for ya? :) Really. This is your homework. What do they have in common?
> introspection; pride; and the AIDS epidemic. There's your album. Had all > the songs dealt with a consistent idea or message, this album could have > been even better... and it sure the hell ain't bad by any measure!
Try not to think so narrowly. It's easy to find the differences, but what binds the album together? It's the difference between topic and theme.
> Awake is much more solid. It's about the various meanings of awakening > and understanding, and is enough of a self-fulfilling prophecy that I > won't delve too deeply into it (if you disagree, feel free to delve into > why I'm wrong, though). The only misfit is Space Dye Vest... is anyone > surprised? ;)
I disagree. SDV is, to me, awakening to the fact that you're alone and begging for companionship. I got dumped once, and spent a year and a half without closure on the relationship. In a way, SDV woke me up to what I was doing. All the issues of blame, abandonment, loneliness, projection... it sure woke *me* up. I think it's the story of Kev waking up to the same reality. So, I think it fits overall.
> And what about FII? It's their most diverse work to date, which as I > said, usually dilutes the thematic strength of the work. I think the > most appropriate theme we can connect everything with is "experience".
I dare say that's thinner than you think. How does that tie NM and YNM together?
> don't even think it was a conscious decision on the part of DT to make > FII about "Experience"... I think it's about that because of the > incredible and tremendous experience they gained between Awake and FII. > Most of them became husbands and/or fathers. That's a real eye-opener
That certainly made the lot of them more introspective, as did everything else you mentioned. But, when it comes down to it, how can you write something that's not about experience, and not "mmm-bop"?
I venture to guess that either 1) there is no uniting theme, or 2) we haven't unearthed it yet.
> fact the song Lines in the Sand can best be described as a song about > experience itself!!
I dunno about that. That'll take more thinking than I really have time for (not like I had time to write this. Talk about finals-week avoidance techniques.)
> all is said and done. DT does what they do because they write what they > REALLY MEAN, what they feel, what their own experiences, hopes, > aspirations, and frustrations are and have always been. If anything, the > theme of Dream Theater overall would have to be "reality". If there's > anything they've examined better, I've yet to hear of it.
That's a good, though, as I said, thin point. See above and let me know what you think. -d
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:10:29 -0400 From: Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: moaning women Message-ID: <354637B5.4613FA7F@geocities.com>
I can't believe I'm answering to that thread !!!
Hungry like the Wolf by Duran Duran All she want is... by Duran Duran (probably the one with the best moaning female voice !)
And yes I admit to have been a DD fan a long time ago... and their first 3 albums are still among the best of the 80s. Favorite Song from DD : New Religion, Careless Memories and The Chauffeur
To Mike Portnoy : T'would be great if DT make a cover of New Religion. This was a good song, not radio-oriented that had something quite "interesting" with two vocals part very great.
Best, Chris
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:10:39 -0400 From: Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> To: YtseSlam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: more on Hank Message-ID: <354637BF.E4F109AC@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Ok,
About my last post on Hank, the poll was cancelled due to an "overwelming response" (what a joke!), but there is a link to the People message boards where Hank's presence on the poll is quite heatedly being discussed.
-Nate -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / IRC and VP chat room alias: Horizen mailto:nrood@utk.edu \ Excite Message Board alias: Quietus or try:nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu / ICQ: 6170743 ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:21:30 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <PDaugher@bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: damn empty tremor Message-ID: <35463A49.61499C48@bdm.com>
Can anyone who gets any more of these idiots replying to the empty tremor messages who is allowed to send mail to 500 people at a pop, please reply to everyone stating: (I'd do it but it is my work account and dont want to get fired or kill the server...)
1.emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it sent the original message; replying to a list of 500 people that doesn't even have emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it in the list doesn't do anything but piss the 500 people off since they have to read the same crap over and over.
2.the band has stated that they will do no more emails, so just ignore anymore of theses messages and it will go away.
3.if you send mail to 500 people at one time, your school or ISP might get pissed off and kick your butt off the service.
4.DONT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR ANY LIKE IT. Send removal crap to: emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Moaning women Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980428161749.13267A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Al B wants to know: > My friend asked about songs that have moaning women in it. > Two examples were: > Rocket Queen - Guns N Roses > More Human than Human - White Zombie > Oh, music aficionados on this list, can you name others?
Hm, I don't know if it's a "song" per se, but one that jumps immediately to mind is "Machine Screw" by Type O Negative.
Can't believe I'm contributing to this thread. I need to get out more.
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Jesus saves.... ...but Jagr picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!" GO PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!! Currently playing: Symphony X -- "Twilight in Olympus"
> > > This is the challenge I propose to you, one and all. To hell > with FII opinions and themes, we must have priorities! :P > > > > -Al > > > ps - seriously, any help would be appreciated. He might be > doing this for academic reasons, like a paper or something. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:33:12 EDT > From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Mike Bahr: Universally loved > Message-ID: <23b3638c.354604c9@aol.com> > > > Everyone, > > Go check out Itchy's new subtitle on UACM. Mark, you are the greatest. Keep > up the good work. > > Kez > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 3806 > ************************** >
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Moaning Women Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980428161850.3661B-100000@thunder>
I personally am *NOT* a fan of hearing moans in music.... it kinda ruins the songs for me. For instance, I like Enigma's music, but I get distracted by all the moaning. And G&R's Rocket Queen would be a great song if it were not for the disgusting animal sounds :)
On the other hand.. One of my favourite bands, Queensryche, has a section with 'moaning' in it.. but it is done extremely well.. in Suite Sister Mary. It fits.. the orchestra, music, lyrics... the way the song moves and climaxes.. it portays sex in a more mystical, spiritual way - something holy; it does not portay it as an animalistic urge of human desire.
Back into lurk mode...
-Ponte
(all depressed because I getto see DT in 10 days but cannot walk due to an injury :( )
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:37:51 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: VA and Daytona's... Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E60D706@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
> Any and all 'Jammers going to the show on May 5: Please make > your presence > known to me, as I am trying to research(from Va., which is > kind of tough) a > place for a mini-Ytsemeeting near Daytona's in Maryland. Any > help from > Md./Balt. 'Jammers would be much appreciated. D-man, are you > coming up? > Alex(the chick)? Let me know.
Well, _I_ will be attending, since there's no Jaxx show - at least not now. Kevin? Pat? Lobby? Steve Z.?
BTW, I'll gladly trade a Savatage or King Diamond ticket to one of you MD. types that can get me a ticket for Daytona's, since Ticketbastard is different in MD. and VA, I think.
Oh yeah, did I mention we're playing with Savatage June 19th? :)
Mike Division
NP: Gateway - Treasure Land.
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:48:03 -0700 From: Rob Jurado <Jurado@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Moaning women Message-ID: <35464083.2AD5CB68@worldnet.att.net>
Hmm...
Right now, I can only think of only one song with moaning women, but I'm sure I've forgotten some.
Duran Duran - "Hungry Like the Wolf"
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:28:03 -0400 (EDT) > From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> > To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: moaning women > > > ok, let me start off by saying this is not for me. (really) > > My friend asked about songs that have moaning women in it. > Two examples were: > > Rocket Queen - Guns N Roses > More Human than Human - White Zombie > > Oh, music aficionados on this list, can you name others? > > This is the challenge I propose to you, one and all. To hell > with FII opinions and themes, we must have priorities! :P > > -Al > > ps - seriously, any help would be appreciated. He might be > doing this for academic reasons, like a paper or something.
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:57:35 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HANK'S #1!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980428135734.006b2ecc@postoffice.syspac.com>
http://www.pathfinder.com/people/50most/1998/vote/index.html
1. Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf, 5146 2. Leonardo DiCaprio, 4338 3. Michelle Kwan, 2597 4. Faye Wong, 2544
GO HANK!!!!
~einniVnikufesin
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:01:56 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Me writing posts vs. making CDs Message-ID: <354643C4.75B9@goodnet.com>
Ordinarily I wouldn't post about this, but two separate people have brought it up.
The computer I use to surf the net is not nearly powerful enough to make CDRs. I have two machines made specifically to do CDs. In fact both are working right now... I got a couple dozen blanks today (not my large order due later this week, but it'll keep me busy) and I can type on the net and yet the discs are still getting made. Convenient, eh? I'm typing this at you on a piece-o-shit system with a small drive, poor video, no sound, and no way for data to get in except a 3.5" drive and a network card. It was thrown together just so I could still 'net while I was working on my other machines.
At the same time, people will sometimes note posts by me on the newsgroups while at the same time I get a lot of e-mail answered, and sometimes people will see me post and NOT answer any e-mail... this depends on where I am using the net from. At home I can do anything of course. But at my parents house or my parents-in-law's house, if I try to download my e-mail it will get mixed in with theirs and I won't be able to extricate it to bring it home to mix it with mine... and so forth.. it's more complex than that but you get the idea. I can still surf usenet and post though, and nothing out of the ordinary happens. All this shit is fairly obvious once you think about it.
So just so people know, my long-winded "meaty" posts to the Jam have impacted my CD work exactly ZERO PERCENT. :) In fact, just now I have to reach over and change the disc in Rand, my main machine, to the second of ten VS disc 2's it's tasked to make this afternoon.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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