YTSEJAM Digest 3812
Today's Topics:
1) Bahr's review
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
2) I Would Love To
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
3) Kansas trivia....well, not really.
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
4) Re: Confusing situation and a bit 'bout John P
by almar@freemail.nl
5) Flamage
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
6) Re: DT Produced-Boots
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
7) John Myung Progressive Bass
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
8) Even more on JP + Malmsteen & Masi
by Per Pettersson <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
9) CD reviews
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
10)
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
11) DT Produced Boots
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
12) Moaning Bitches
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
13) Re: moaning women
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
14) Re: moaning women
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
15) Reviews for moaning female dwarfs
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3811
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:05:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr's review
Message-ID: <199804290705.DAA17181@acmey.gatech.edu>
You know, Mike's way of rating the albums at the end of his post, actually
makes I&W higher than it already is, if you include songs from that
"era"....ACOS was written then.
Just a random thought. No point here.
Eric
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:07:47 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I Would Love To
Message-ID: <199804290707.KAA08030@xyz.estcard.ee>
> Oh, get your head out of your ass, Rocky. That's a chick. :)
It's actually the same boy who's in The Audience Is Listening. :-)
Raitz
P.S. Stuph one-liners kick butt.
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:08:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kansas trivia....well, not really.
Message-ID: <199804290708.DAA17531@acmey.gatech.edu>
This would only apply to Kansas fans, and I doubt anyone would remember
him, but has anyone heard of Michael Gleason? Back in the late 70s he
toured with them and did keys and backup vox. I'm only wondering because I
know his son.
Just curious.....
Eric
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:22:48 GMT
From: almar@freemail.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Confusing situation and a bit 'bout John P
Message-ID: <199804290722.HAA20850@freesrv3.freemail.nl>
> And another thing:
>
> I don't really know what to think about John Petrucci... I mean, he's an =
> inevidable asset for the band DT, and he sure as hell got the *speed* =
> and the *perfection*... but has he got the *feeling*? After listening to =
> Satriani and Vai (The Masters!!!) I find some of Petrucci's play =
> rather... pathetic... oh maybe that's not the word I'm seeking... excuse =
> > me, but Petrucci's play doesn't have the *sparkle* or the *move* that JS =
> and SV have. Oh, what an UNFAIR comparison, you think...
> When I first heard of JP there was a friend of mine having seen the LIT =
> video, and he said that JP was the best he's ever seen... maybe he (and =
> I) got it all wrong, so forgive me.
>
>
> Happy Jamming!
>
> //Per Pettersson
>
Hey Per,
the only thing I have to say is: BUY FII AND listen to Petrucci's solo's in
'Lines in the Sand' and 'Peruvian Skies'. Petrucci really plays with a lot
of feeling there and every note just fits.
And of course you can compare Petrucci with Vai and Satriani. I think
every one of them is an outstanding guitar player. I think Petrucci is
doing a really good job as being a BAND member. He has to play within
some boundaries while SV an JS are just individual. I think Petrucci
really 'explores the boundaries' and 'transcends the depths of' being a
band member!
Greetings, Almar.
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:31:24 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flamage
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980429003124.00897a80@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
>>And jesus mike, how bout making those CDs instead of writing the how-to
>>guide for Metallica and Rush?
>
>The man has like four computers -- I'm sure one or two of them are doing
>something other than checking his e-mail...
Yep, I read that a few jams back. I stand flamed : )
Jon
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:44:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT Produced-Boots
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980429004303.267A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Portnoy420 wrote:
>We would LOVE to do this. (Lord knows I have the resources!!!)
>However, We legally CAN'T because we are signed to Elektra.
>
>If we are ever dropped, or when our contract is up...trust me - the live-tape
>flood gates will open!!! (and that Bahr guy will be out of business!! : ))
>
>
>Mike Portnoy
>
Hey Mike... hear that sound?
That's the sound of thousands of Ytse Jammers simultaneously squealing and
pressing the "save" key on their e-mails... ^_^
--Matt (We always remember)
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The brain of John Lennon just floated in from space today
preserved in a cryo-pod.
Yoko wasn't aboard, we all thank God.
--Robon, "The Brain of John Lennon"
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:49:30 +1000
From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: John Myung Progressive Bass
Message-ID: <002501bd7343$58535020$d0394e81@rpandean.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
I haven't seen this discussed yet so I may as well throw it in. Just
wondering whether anyone has seen this video (John Myung Progressive Bass
Concepts) and can anyone tell us what it's like and if it's worth getting.
What are your opinions on learning from instructional video tapes?
Regards,
Rainer
(rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au)
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:50:15 +0100
From: Per Pettersson <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Even more on JP + Malmsteen & Masi
Message-ID: <98Apr29.095400gmt+0100.31370@gate.tranemo.se>
OK, folks...
Now, I want to say some more things concerning my doubts in JP, and I =
know that everyone on the YML will disagree, but I don't care the least.
What I said with JP being "pathetic" was oh so wrong! I didn't mean =
"pathetic" really, I couldn't find the right word...
What I mean is that when JP plays it's so goddamn perfect that it sounds =
like you've been programming MIDI... Not a quirk, not a timing-slip that =
gives that little extra *feeling* to it. Well, I can admit it's not =
good to "quirk" all the time (like Yngiwe Malmsteen, whose solos all =
sound the same and he has this whacky vibrato on *every fucking note*... =
I really do hate him!).
A Jammer called Almar said this:
> And of course you can compare Petrucci with Vai and Satriani. I think =
> every one of them is an outstanding guitar player. I think Petrucci is =
> doing a really good job as being a BAND member. He has to play within=20
> some boundaries while SV an JS are just individual. I think Petrucci=20
> really 'explores the boundaries' and 'transcends the depths of' being =
a=20
> band member!
Ok, I guess couldn't have said it better myself...!
And now to Yngwie Malmsteen... (I've got to write just a little bit =
more...)
A greater diva is yet to be found... When I first heard his tunes, I was =
stunned. He was my first real contact with guitar virtuosity, and I =
still find his debut album "Rising Force" as a stunning piece of work - =
except for the sound of it, that is (I bet that e.g. Barriemore Balow is =
a great drummer, but his bass drum sounds like slapping fish to a wall =
and the snare's sound comes close to the sound of an amplified =
vending-machine). The classical influences are obvious and great, but =
later on he turned what used to be great music to slimey (how is it =
spelled?), standard-heavy-metal-that-earns-you-loads-of-money. And that, =
I don't like.
I have no doubt in YM being the *fastest* guitarist on Earth, but he's =
definitely not the *best*. Although, if you can stand the sound of it, I =
recommend you all to buy "Rising Force" - it's not the least prog, but =
it's good!
And what about the word "feeling"...
I use to split the word "feeling" into two kinds - the feeling for the =
music and the feeling for the separate note. This is how it is in my =
band:
Guitarist no. 1 has a great feeling to the music, but he has kind of =
short fingers so he misses unintentionally all the time... and his =
improvisations are a bit boring... but the feeling for the tunes - he =
has.
Guitarist no. 2 has a great feel for the separate notes, just like Satch =
and Vai (and maybe JP as well, but I can't tell from what I've heard), =
but he has no real feeling for the songs we play - he doesn't get my =
erection while listening to Vai's "Bad Horsie" :-), but he's definitely =
influenced by it. His technique is somewhat better than no. 1's, but as =
I said, the total "feeling" is lost when he can't feel the music.
I have, as the bass player in the band, a wonderful feeling for the =
music (according to me, that is) - but my technique sucks! But hey, I'm =
just 17, I'm still Learning To Live! :-)
And another thing...
Anyone heard the music of Alex Masi ("Attack of the Neon Shark" (1989))? =
Is he a joke?
Fellow greets,
//Per Pettersson
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD reviews
Message-ID: <19980429081458.29866.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>
>> Now, I am not taking your message as a flame, but what is so funny
>> about my sig? Is it the playing for money thing?
>> Keyboards, vocals, musical slut
>> I'll play for money. Enquire if interested.
>> "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering
prizes
>> and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."
>> --Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980
>AHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA Candidate #2 for QUOTE-O-THE-YEAR !!!
I think it's funny that you say you 'play for money', that
means, you sell yourself, but then you add RUSH's quote, which talks
about integrity. heheheh I guess you can be a slut with integrity,
huh?
I have new CD's and would like to give you a brief review of them,
including score for each of them based on 10:
Echolyn-As the World: very impressive prog band. It's a shame that
they've split. They remind me A LOT of Kansas, with piano and keys
all
over the place. The musicians are very skillful. They do their
symphonic
rock with a bit of jazz, but just a tiny bit. 9/10
Echolyn-When the Sweet Turns Sour: this one has a jazzier feel, but
it's still very good. Drummer Paul Ramsey reminds me a lot of Phil
Collins or Andy Ward with his jazz influence. The album is kind a
'Rarities' CD, and I enjoy this type of CD's, although the sound
isn't very good. 7/10
Anglagard-Hybris: this is one fine band. As with Echolyn, they have
split
up (shit!). This is King Crimson+Genesis (early years, but without
Peter
Gabriel). Very dark, highly instrumental CD, with one band member
playing
flute. 9/10
Symphony X-The Divine Wings of Tragedy: most people here know this
band.
I thank everyone for recommending it. I can say it's a pleasant
combination of Yngwie's first 2 albums and Manowar, with Queen's
operatic vocals from early years. 'The Accolade' is my favourite
song from this CD, mainly because the different atmosphere it
represents against the rest of the disc and within itself, the
melodies, specially in the chorus and the church organ. 10/10
IQ-Tales from the Lush Attic: it seems like I'm the only one into IQ
and
would not want to sound like Arash with Empty Tremor, but to those
who
like Peter Gabriel era Genesis, well, this is like 'Fifth of Firth',
and
in this album, IQ have got their own 'Supper's Ready' in 'The Last
Human
Gateway', a 19:57 minute song! And then there's 'Awake and Nervous'
which is very similar to 'Fountain of Salmacis'. Another song, 'My
Baby Treats Me Right, 'Cos I'm a Hard Lovin' Man All Night Long'
which only lasts 1:45 (yeah, the song is over before you finish
reading its title) seems to be an exerpt from 'Ripples' (A Trick of
the Tail) or 'Hairless Heart' (The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). 9/10
IQ-The Wake: one of IQ's darkest albums. It's a concept CD with
lyrics
that revolve around death. This is maybe IQ's best album when it
comes to content, but it's too short. They included a couple of demo
songs in it, though. Mike Holmes shows here that not only Dave
Gilmour and Steve Rothery play guitar with melody and feeling. 10/10
IQ-Ever: This is more of the same, extremely melodic music, drowning
in
layers of keyboards, courtesy of Mr. Martin Orford. 'Further Away'
is a
14:30 min. song with one the best keyboard solos I've ever heard.
The last song is 'Came Down', which stems from 'Leap of Faith' like
'Afterglow' did in Genesis's medley in Three Sides Live. 9/10
Vanden Plas: very well known in the jam too. Andy Kuntz's voice
sounds like that of XYZ's singer, whose name I can't remember now.
By that I mean that I don't like it that much. I hope that changes
with subsequent listens. They're dexterous and good nevertheless. 8/10
Spock's Beard-The Kindness of Strangers: I had written another
review of this album, which was disappointing to me after the 1st.
listen, giving them only 3/10, but the more I listen to it, the more
I like it. Anyway, the person who suggested that they are similar to
Yes doesn't know what he's talking about, they're too different, but
very inventive and skillful. I still don't like the singer's voice
though. 6/10
Glenn Tipton-Baptism of Fire: this is a somewhat nice album. Glenn
sings all songs but his voice isn't the best. The highlights of this
album are Billy Sheehan and Cozy Powell performing on two or three
songs, and as usual, they rock. The style is very similar to that of
Judas Priest's, so Glenn is not breaking new ground or anything. He
just plays. 6/10
Joey Vera-A Thousand Faces: I didn't like this one cos it's too
flat, too plain. I really thought that Joey would be doing something
interesting, and I enjoyed his music in Armored Saint, but this is
badly produced and nothing interesting really happens. Joey plays
guitar and sings here. This CD is insignificant. 2/10
Camel-Stationary Traveller: this is a typical Camel album: it's a
concept album (this time, it's about wanting to escape West
Berlin-this album is fairly old), it's highly melodic, with Andrew
Latimer at his best, and not only playing guitar, but also pan pipes
and some programmed drums. Ex Kayak Ton Scherpenzeel is a wizard on
keys, and Mel Collins, Chris Rainbow and David Paton on saxophone,
vocals and bass give it the final touches to make it simply
brilliant. 10/10
Il Rovescio della Medaglia-La Bibbia: the 1st. album from Italian
group from the early 70's. Nothing really extraordinary. I bought
this because they had an album called Contaminazione, which is music
from Johann Sebastian Bach, rearranged and played with rock
instruments AND original instruments (harpsichord, violins, cellos,
etc.) Contaminazione is a fantastic album, heavy but at the same
time, it's symphonic. I've been looking for that CD for about 6
years now (I have it in LP) but it's been impossible to find it.
Since I haven't been able to get it, I bought La Bibbia thinking
that it would be something similar, but they were much heavier and
there are no keyboards at all. 5/10
Ok, that's about it. I know that it's a long one, but I know some of
you are interested.
Bye.
Bernardo
PS: Currently Playing: nothing.
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <19980429080609.28940.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Charlie Farrell wrote:
>>UK radio this morning (tuesday) is reporting that Cozy Powell (50)
>>died in a car accident on Sunday night.
This is something that's really overwhelming. What a terrible loss.
I read this as I was listening to Rainbow Rising, one of my
favourite albums of all time.
It just reminds me of when Phil Lynott died in many years ago, for
different reasons, because it's such a big loss.
I'll just play my Michael Schenker Group - Live at the Budokan CD.
-BP
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:11:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Produced Boots
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980429030815.16283B-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
Mike Portnoy writes:
> If we are ever dropped, or when our contract is up...trust me - the
> live-tape flood gates will open!!! (and that Bahr guy will be out of
> business!! : ))
Hey, everyone... let's start a petition to get Dream Theater dropped from
Electra! Maybe they can even put Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf on the
next CD...
:)
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:15:59 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
To: ShitzyJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Moaning Bitches
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980429011551.0073d6d0@pop3.concentric.net>
Fools, (no offense all you fools out there ;) )
My turn.
T-Ride, "Fire It Up".
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:20:48 -0700
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: moaning women
Message-ID: <3547D1F0.2C6A@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
Also:
Vondur - Beiter Hnitar Skera Djuper
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:27:40 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: moaning women
Message-ID: <3546E47C.D68F64A1@sydney.net>
heheh you bloody desperado's :)
Nothing is better than the real thing !
graham
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:41:33 +0100
From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Reviews for moaning female dwarfs
Message-ID: <01BD735B.60FD8ED0@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
various topics today, but unfortunately no free promo CDs. Reviews, comments and links. Let the fun begin.
TRISTANIA - Widow's Weeds
For a long time, I've been a sucker for gothic metal with male/female vocals.
However, there are only a few bands that do it well (Theatre Of Tragedy,
Orphanage, Within Temptation) - and now there is Tristania. Wonderful
choirs, great guitar sounds and perfect melodies form an ideal vehicle
to transport the many and varied vocal styles that the two singers present
on the first full-length album by this Norwegian band. Unlike Theatre Of
Tragedy, the male vocals dominate, usually in the style of Amorphis and
early Moonspell, occasionally punctuated by screams. The clean vocals
are mostly supported by the female voice (very clear and pure without being
sticky and gooey), and the young lady in question sometimes sings on
her own, raising goose pimples on the back of my neck. Wide, deep
keyboards, competent drumming (occasional double bass fills - nice) and
a violin round off the sound. Symphonic, hard, dark and emotional. This
album is a 'must buy' for all fans of good gothic metal, and a serious
challenge for Theatre Of Tragedy. 9/10.
WAYLANDER - Reawakening Pride Once Lost
Traditional Irish folk meets ultrahard and ultrafast thrash metal. Impossible,
you say? I say Waylander. A new signing to Century Media, this Irish
band plays a blend of music, the likes of which I've never heard before.
What sounds like a traditional jig played with tin whistles, acoustic guitar,
bagpipes etc. slowly but surely drifts into a thrashfest with rapid fire drums,
throbing bass and deep throaty vocals that seem to have their origin
somewhere near the singer's bowels. A most original debut album from a
band I would be very interested in hearing more of. 8/10.
Several people wrote to me yesterday asking for more information about
Elend. Try http://www.stack.nl/~bobw/music/artists/Elend/index.html which
is the best site about the band that I know (unfortunately not very up to date).
How could the Zappa fans here not contribute to the moaning women thing
with the wonderful 'Dinah-Moe-Hum'? Talk about weird lyrics. Pass me those
tweezers!
My worst fears have been confirmed - the US of A have been taken over by
a drunken dwarf! Defend and protect yourselves. For more information on
how to combat this evil, go to
http://www.zebra.net/~kunta_sensei/nmr.html
(no, I won't tell you how I found this site or what I was actually looking for
when I found it)
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Alastis - And Death Smiled (ideal for Samael fans)
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:55:12 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3811
Message-ID: <3546EAF0.7180@goodnet.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
Pat Sullivan writes:
> Mike Bahr introduces a great topic examining the thematic concepts
> running through the albums of Metallica, Rush and Dream Theater; and I
> just read an entire jam full of posts about drunk midgets and moaning
> women.
>
> ..and people wonder why the Jerry Springer show gets such good ratings.
Hey, Springer is da MAN! :) Where else on TV can I watch kickboxing,
usually between WOMEN no less, without paying for it??! :)
Mike Portnoy writes:
>> material, as well as other artists you enjoy. Why is it not possible to
>> sell soundboard copies of your own shows, through an independant,
>> self-created label? If you could offer a catalog of all your shows,
> Sorry I'm responding a week later, but I have not been on-line.
> In response to this suggestion:
> We would LOVE to do this. (Lord knows I have the resources!!!)
> However, We legally CAN'T because we are signed to Elektra.
>
> If we are ever dropped, or when our contract is up...trust me - the live-tape
> flood gates will open!!! (and that Bahr guy will be out of business!! : ))
> Mike Portnoy
Mike, I'll tell ya straight up: I'll gladly close up shop on DT
bootlegs the day you start putting out soundboard DAT boots! :) It won't
bother me in the slightest, and I will get right in the face of anyone
foolish enough to try and bootleg those bootlegs. :) Right now about the
only reason I keep doing it is to try and make "the perfect bootleg" of
DT... and I imagine your soundboard DATs would pretty much be guaranteed
that particular honour.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
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