YTSEJAM Digest 3817
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The guitarists thread, revisited
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
2) Re: bridge pickups
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
3) Defense of Chris Merlo
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
4) Re: The guitarists thread, revisited
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
5) Re: Nate on NUNO
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
6) Re: Nuno
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
7) Take Away My Pain
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
8) Re: Nuno/Keneally News
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
9) Show at Irving Plaza on 5-8-98
by Timothy Lodge <timlodge@home.com>
10) My feelings about FII
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
11) Mellotrons/Moody Blues
by Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
12) That was GREAT!!!!
by "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
13) Re: Mellotrons/Moody Blues
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Re: Defense of Chris Merlo
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
15) various guitar comments
by Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:19:52 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The guitarists thread, revisited
Message-ID: <8c5edd04.3547dfc9@aol.com>
> > I have no doubt in YM being the *fastest* guitarist on Earth,
>
> Two words: Joe Stump. (www.joestump.com)
> Two more words: Chris Impelliteri.
> And the final two words: MICHAEL.ANGELO.
you forgot 2 final words: Paul Gilbert
I've always had a hard time deciding between Michael Angelo, and Joe Stump.
It's obvious I like Joe a lot more. But on MA's "No Boundaries" he plays
pretty damn fast! But when he does it, he plays at one speed pretty much
throughout the song. Whereas Joe Stump plays at different speeds, and all of
a sudden will double the speed, like it was nothing (i.e.- the end of "Demon's
Eye" from Supersonic Shred Machine"). Joe will tell you that he's the fastest
guitarist that he's aware of in his genre, so I tend to believe him!
~~~~~~Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:48:43 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: bridge pickups
Message-ID: <3547E68B.1EC7E97C@imap1.asu.edu>
>>Any users of these out there?I play mostly music in the spirit
> I have a Yamaha RGX 121D that i put a Seymour Duncan George Lynch
> Screamin Demon in, and it kicks some serious ass. It only cost $110,
> too!!! :-]
> chris
Heh heh, I can also vouch for Seymour Duncan, for I have purchased, and
installed correctly (even with those beautifully laid out instructions)
my own SD JB Trembucker...and MY GOD THIS THING ROCKS! It's crisp,
clear, and crunchier than my mom's macaroni and cheese! Makes an
awesome clean tone for any occasion.
And the funny part is, I bought it for list price, at @ $60.00. I
recommend this pickup to anybody and everybody, or at least check it
out...Guitar Center was cool in letting me trade a Screaming Demon
humbucker for the JB Trembucker after I tried installing the SD and it
didn't sound as cool as I thought it would....
I type too much.
~Eckie Again
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:51:21 EDT
From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Defense of Chris Merlo
Message-ID: <b45f2d4d.3547e72a@aol.com>
FOOLS!! The phrase "no, I'm very very shy..." spoken before Steve Vai's "I
Would Love To" is spoken by a WOMAN!! Not a LITTLE BOY!! CHRIS MERLO IS NOT A
HOOTENANNY!! CASE CLOSED!!
whew, (wipes brow) gotta find some decaffienated ovaltine...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:56:34 -0700
From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The guitarists thread, revisited
Message-ID: <01bd73e3$95a30060$40a4d6d0@internet>
>you forgot 2 final words: Paul Gilbert
>
AMEN! 2 More Words that not too many people know of:
Todd Duane.
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:03:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Nate on NUNO
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980429215918.43302F-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
yes in fact the intro has the name Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee or
something like that, he uses a delay and he plays half of the notes you
are hearing...has somebody done any bootleg of Extreme or Nuno like Mike
Bahr or Whitaker does?
I would gladly get some...
I know A guy who has done some of them... most of the b sides and rare
stuff are there I think his address is barko@aol.com
but Im not sure....he posts at rec.music.artists.extreme
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, JKorby1973 wrote:
>
> Yes, while Nuno does kick as much ass as anyone else when it comes to
> shredding, Nuno uses a very short delay on the intro to He-Man Woman Hater. So
> he's actually only playing EVERYOTHER note that you hear. Just like Petrucci
> does on the solo to Surrounded. The delay becomes more obvious when Nuno
> starts tapping towards the end and the delay creates a harmonizing effect.
> But mind you, I'm not taking anything away from Nuno. Just thought I'd fill
> you in on that cool little trick!
> Justin
>
--- Alan Estrada Email: al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx------------------------------
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:10:23 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Nuno Message-ID: <l03102801b16d9aaac27f@[128.83.168.67]>
> > I still don't understand why Nuno is not usually ranked up there with t= hese >guys. This is spoken with special regards to the intro solo to 'He-man Wom= an >Hater'. Now I know that he's hammering on/pulling off most of the solo and= not >picking that fast, as well as the EQ being pushed all the way toward treble= to get >that fingers-scratching-the-chalkboard sound and all, but good lord, he fli= es >through that solo faster than Yngwie goes through a doughnut box. yuck, yu= ck.
Well, ya' see, that seemingly awesome guitar performance at the beginning of= HE-MAN WOMAN HATER is nothing more than a flashy use of delay. In fact= what he's actually playing is HALF that speed and i could do it in my= sleep! Honestly, i think Nuno is a great player, though an admitted Eddie= rip-off, but i have yet to see reason for him to be ranked with "the master= s."
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:22:39 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Take Away My Pain Message-ID: <3547EE7F.E440CF7B@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I'm sick and tired of hearing the majority of the jammers bashing TAMP. I just wanted to say a few things. First of all, it's one of my favorite DT songs of all time. Furthermore, I think it's a real shame that the majority of you guys...and gals have no respect for it at all. I'm a musician, and most of the time, I really don't care what a song is about, but every now and then I do. And this is one of those times. JP wrote this song about dealing with the death of his father. WHO GIVES A FUCK if it's a cliched song or it's not heavy or it's not played at 90 miles per hour? Don't you have any respect? TAMP has more feeling and emotion than the majority of DT's songs. And as far as the music goes, I think it's some of Petrucci's best playing ever. Right before and during the part where JL sings "His final score, the actor bows...," crank your stereo. Listen to the fast playing in the background. It's very subtle, but you can make it out. It reminds me a lot of Robert Fripp's playing during "Frame by Frame." The solo has so much emotion built up into it, and the majority of the song is made up of arpeggios played over and over again by Petrucci. I'm not saying you have to love the song, but have some respect for it. Petrucci was nice enough to share a topic with the fans that obviously is very disturbing to him, and saddens him a great deal. So the next time you hear TAMP, think for a second about what the song really means. Think about how it would feel if one of your parents died, and then make your judgments.
~Chris -- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.
- King Crimson
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:39:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Nuno/Keneally News Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980429223613.43302I-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
> Well, ya' see, that seemingly awesome guitar performance at the beginning of= > HE-MAN WOMAN HATER is nothing more than a flashy use of delay. In fact= > what he's actually playing is HALF that speed and i could do it in my= > sleep! Honestly, i think Nuno is a great player, though an admitted Eddie= > rip-off, but i have yet to see reason for him to be ranked with "the master= > s." >
anyway Nuno has done better solos, he made some killer riffs on the old extreme demos...and for the guys who saw him last year on his solo tour can agree with me that the instrumental 60% masturbation was a shredder he really should be ranked as a master...
For you guys who like Keneally's music go to his webpage http://www.moosenet.com/keneally.html because he'll be starting a tour very soon and he's asking for emails and contacts, so if you want to help him go ahead, let the good music be heard.
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:40:13 -0400 From: Timothy Lodge <timlodge@home.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Show at Irving Plaza on 5-8-98 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980430034013.00b1a264@mail>
Hi... I haven't been following the jam too much lately (been busy graduating)...and haven't heard of there is going to be a pre-show get together before the Irving Plaza show coming up next Friday???? If there is anything going on before hand, can someone please email me about it? or point me in the direction of a website with more info?
Also, does anyone have any guesses at what time DT will come on stage, and what time they will go off stage? The Irving Plaza website says 8:00pm doors open...and there is an opening band...they will probably go on around 9 or so...with DT coming on around 10 or 10:30pm? Sound right??? I'm figuring at least a 2 hour, if not longer, performance from OFB..... My problem is two-fold..First, I have a friend who wants to go but doesn't get off work until 6 or 6:30..then we'd have to hop the train into the city...getting us there around 9 or so....but then the last train probably leaves grand central around 12:30 or 1....so will we have time to get back and catch a train. Alternatively, are there hotels around irving plaza to stay for under $100 a night???? Suggestions, fellow jammers??
Thanks,
-Tim- timlodge@home.com -formerly- axe@ct1.nai.net
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:00:17 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My feelings about FII Message-ID: <3547F751.52E54E4F@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I've seen everyone else "grade" FII and rate the songs, so here I go:
New Millennium: At first, this song reminded me a lot of King Crimson's "Discipline,"....I mean the beginning part, but the first month or so I skipped over this track. As time went on though, I began to listen to it a lot more, and it's one of my favorite tracks now. I find the keyboards to be pretty blaring, but other than that it's a pretty good listen. First time listen C+ Now B+
You not Me - I think this song is crap. It was the first song I ever heard off the album and it reminded me a lot of Soundgarden. I'm glad most of the other songs on FII do not sound like this. I don't know who to blame for this. Possible Kevin Shirley....Possibly the record company....possibly the musicians themselves. I don't know. I like You or Me better, but I still think they both suck. First time listen D Now F
Peruvian Skies - This is one of my favorite tracks on the album. I hear a lot of Pink Floyd and Metallica influence in it. I think the soft part in the beginning is pretty drawn out, but other than that, it's a great song. I like how the progression right before the solo builds up and then the solo comes out like an explosion, sort of like on "Another Day." First time listen B+ Now A
Hollow Years - I love this song. It's a good representation of the versatility of Petrucci. The solo is very short and subtle, but I like the notes he chooses, and he puts a lot of feeling into it. I like the key change, but towards the end, I think it could have done without the overdubbed vocals. First time listen A+ Now A-
Burning my Soul - I absolutely hate this song. I don't hate it as much as YNM, but it's pretty close. The lyrics are horrible. It really dissapoints me that all MP was able to come up with was "..a lump in my throat the size of a boulder..." What's with that? I'm sure he could have come up with better lyrics than that. I have a feeling this is one of those songs that they wrote to sell a few more CD's, and hopefully hit the MTV community. First time listen D- Now D
Hell's Kitchen - I can't believe this used to be part of BMS. It's one of my favorite DT instrumentals. I like how it starts subtle and slow and slowly builds up and goes into LITS. Everyone put a lot of feeling into this, and I am very happy that they removed it from BMS. First time listen B Now A-
Lines in the Sand - This is my favorite track on the album. I love DS's keyboard intro. Doug Pinnick sounds great doing backup vocals. I especially like when the energy builds up all the way right after "Drawing lines in the sand" and then you think it's gonna drop to a low energy level, but it stays on that upbeat plateau and goes right into "Sometimes, if you're perfectly still..." One of my favorite vocal passages by JL on the CD is the part when he sings "We fabricate our demons..." and then later on the energy builds up again. Overall an awesome song. First time listen A Now A++
Take Away My Pain - My second favorite track on the album to Lines in The Sand. I like the demo better, emotion and lyric wise, but I like the arpeggios, and the little Robert Fripp section in the middle there. This song has so much feeling and emotion put into it, sometimes I even get the occasional chill or feeling of sadness when listening to this song at the right time. A treasure. First time listen B+ Now A+
Just Let Me Breathe - At first I hated this song almost as much as YNM and BMS, but the lyrics saved me. I like the philosophy of "Open up your mind, and like what you want to like and don't get sucked into the robotic void of all the MTV posers" That's one of my major beliefs in life, so I really enjoyed hearing about it in this song. IMHO, the music blows for the most part. DT can play great "heavy music" but too much of it ruins them. Tracks like "Under a Glass Moon" are pretty heavy but they're written and played with brains and emotion. I don't hear that with songs like JLMB, BMS, and YNM. First time liste D Now C+
Anna Lee - I like this track a lot in the beginning, but it sounds so much like Elton John, it's almost sickening. The vocals are pretty good on it, and the guitar solo reminded me A LOT of Queen...which is good for the most part, because Brian May was one of the first guitarists who I truly looked up to.
Trial of Tears - An awesome song. John Myung doesn't talk much, and doesn't contribute much, but when he does, he does a magnificent job. IMHO, this is one of Dream Theater's most progressive songs ever. I didn't care much for it in the beginning...I'll even admit to skipping over it, but now I absolutely love it. First time listen B Now A
Overall, I like FII, but it's not DT's best work. I don't think there will ever be anything better than I&W just because when those songs were written, the guys were young, and now...almost 10 years later, their tastes in music have grown and exapnded into many new realms.
~Chris -- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.
- King Crimson
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:15:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mellotrons/Moody Blues Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980429181124.1785A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> wrote
> Okay, here we go again.. > what the hell is a mellotron? > (I know it's an instrument, shut up...)
It's a keyboard type instrument that uses tape reels. It was invented and used in the 60s. The way it works is this . . . you record an orchestra playing a note (A# for instance) then that strip of tape is hooked up to the note on a keyboard (in this case an A#) and whenever that key is played, it plays that strip of tape. It, in effect, allowed a band to carry a playable orchestra with them. Not like todays sample synths, the mellotron had a distinct sound that was unlike any synth or orchestral instrument.
The Moody Blues were the first to use them. The Beatles followed, but only in a couple of tunes. The Moody Blues had a full time mellotron player. Of course, they were also the first band to have a flute player, but that piece of shit ripoff band Jethro Tull gets credit for it. Any way, I spend enough time ranting about how Tull ripped off the Moodies, back to the mellotron. If you want a good showcase for what the mellotron is capable of, check out the Moody Blues "On the Threshold of a Dream" album.
Robert
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:32:34 From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: That was GREAT!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980430003234.18a79030@fiqus.unl.edu.ar>
Hey all the brazilian jammers...(i mean Rogerio Britos too) Here's a soccer info for you:
BRASIL 0 - ARGENTINA 1 (Claudio Lopez)
THAT WAS REALLY GREAT!!!!! Enjoy it!!! See ya!!!!!!
Nico... THE argentinian Ytsejammer
------------------------------------------------------ Nicolas Matias Rincon e-mail: tabo-sabalero@usa.net ICQ: soon i'll get one Santa Fe, Argentina
"Seize the day and don't you cry, Now it's time to say good-bye Even though I'll be gone, I will live on, live on" - Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:27:48 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mellotrons/Moody Blues Message-ID: <3547FDC3.AB5D78B7@caribe.net>
Robert Linus Koehl wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> wrote > > > Okay, here we go again.. > > what the hell is a mellotron? > > (I know it's an instrument, shut up...) >
if anyone wants it i can make them a mellotron sample off of the making of FII cd...( from peruvian skies )
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:06:28 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Defense of Chris Merlo Message-ID: <6e516652.354806d5@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-29 23:55:56 EDT, you write:
<< FOOLS!! The phrase "no, I'm very very shy..." spoken before Steve Vai's "I Would Love To" is spoken by a WOMAN!! Not a LITTLE BOY!! CHRIS MERLO IS NOT A HOOTENANNY!! CASE CLOSED!! whew, (wipes brow) gotta find some decaffienated ovaltine... Bafu Vai >>
oh you think you know EVERYTHING about Vai just cause you got the same last name!!! =]
ROcky
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:24:09 -0400 From: Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various guitar comments Message-ID: <35480AF8.624D5AC1@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
I m'self wrote:
> >Besides, all of the guitarists mentioned above wouldn't have much of a clue > how to fit their exotic scales into the context of a rock song if Steve > Morse and > Frank Zappa hadn't of done it first.
Neil replied:
> That's a strong statement. I only hear a Morse influence, in terms of > technique and phrasing, in Petrucci's playing. I haven't heard much Zappa, > but I imagine if he sounded like Vai, Satch, or Petrucci then I would have > heard more about him in guitar circles. In either case, I think Morse is > the most well-rounded player of all these guys.
Well I myself didn't think that JP had much of a Zappa influence either until LTE came out. My advice is to listen to 'Three Minute Warning' (studio-complete improv) and then go pick up Zappa's _Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar_ (live-complete improv) and you'll see a descent comparison. I'm not saying that JP ever totally worshipped Zappa or anything, but I think he was definately aware of Zappa's style of playing. Who knows, maybe its just the Vai influence in JP, but that'd be an indirect Zappa influence anyway. To my knowledge Zappa was the first guy outside of strictly progressive circles (Fripp, Howe, etc) during the '70s to incorporate exotic scales into rock songs. As a matter of fact, I would definately recommend any somewhat serious guitarist to pick up Shut Up..., its probably got Zappa's best guitar work and includes 'Ship Ahoy', which I hold right up there with Eruption and the Star Spangled Banner as far as guitar-only classics. With 'Ship Ahoy', Zappa uses his knowledge of scales, unusual licks, and delay/chorus effects to actually create a guitar-only piece that actually has a melody that sticks in your head for some time afterwords. The most astounding part of the piece is that it was completely improved on stage, in other words, Zappa made up this lasting song off the top of his head one night.
> Question to all you guitar players out there: > > I'm thinking about changing the bridge pickup for my Ibanez,and I was > wondering if you could give me some suggestions.I've been thinking about > > maybe getting a Dimarzio Steve's Special (JP is my god!) or maybe some > "Air" model.Or I could try some Duncans,like the Duncan Distortion or > Invader...Any users of these out there?I play mostly music in the spirit > > of DT and Savatage.Pass me a tip,will ya?
I had my Ibanez fitted with a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates about a year ago now, it really screams. I know that Billy Gibbons (dude from ZZtop) developed the thing, but the harmonics really come alive off the frets with it. I like the squeals and feedback I get with the Pearly Gates so much that I'm also considering putting another one in my new Ibanez as well.
-Nate -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / IRC and VP chat room alias: Horizen mailto:nrood@utk.edu \ Excite Message Board alias: Quietus or try:nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu / ICQ: 6170743 ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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