YTSEJAM Digest 3821
Today's Topics:
1) John Petrucci Guitar Video
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
2) Re: Clarification on Dallas Show?!
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
3) Re: Problem
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) Re: Nuno
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
5) Re: CD reviews
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) Re: Mellotrons
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
7) guitarists
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
8) Re: Take Away My Sense of Humor
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
9) guitarists again
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
10) Take Away My Guitar
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Michael Angelo
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
12) Irving Plaza
by Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
13) Fort Worth Show
by "JEFFREY T CLINE" <JCLINE@toltec.astate.edu>
14) Re: ProgEst '98
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
15) Re: An interesting idea, For the love of eMpTyV
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
16) moaning women
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
17) Re: guitarists
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
18) Chicago Show, May 13th, Cancelled!
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
19) London Forum
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
20) Re: Fastest guitarist
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:29:28 -0800
From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: John Petrucci Guitar Video
Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA10168A702@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Since we were briefly talking about guitar instructional flicks, I was
wondering if anyone actually picked up the JP guitar instructional
flick. Could someone perhaps provide a small review of it, the content,
subject matter, etc? I know it's much cheaper in cost than the John
Myung and Mike Portnoy flicks, so I was curious what it was like.
Infinitely Falling,
-= george =-
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:32:25 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Clarification on Dallas Show?!
Message-ID: <199804301732.MAA137670@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
At 06:27 AM 21/04/98 -0700, Glen Brooks wrote:
>
>Can anyone give clarification on the correct date for the
>Dallas/Bronco Bowl show? The venue says that it is on May 24,1998 and
>the posted date by MP was May 23,1998. I need to know so I can plan
>my life that week!!
ok, ok, now I dont understand a thing here...it was supposed to be on dallas
the 23th and on san antonio the 24th, then it was changed to forth worth the
23th and san antonio the 24th...now dallas is the 24th, so....what happened
to the san antonio show, is it cancelled now or was it moved?
please let me know (email me privately)
thanks
--- Alan Estrada Adler http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx http://members.xoom.com/Petrucci/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:34:53 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Problem Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980430143409.8757A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Per Pettersson wrote:
> Why do all my letters look so silly with '='-signs at the end of the > rows? Is there any way I can get rid of that crap?
Yes. > //Per
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:41:25 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Nuno Message-ID: <199804301741.MAA199164@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
At 07:49 AM 30/04/98 -0700, Phil Carter wrote: > >Greetings ye 'jamanoids... > >Nathan inquired: >> Well then what about Nuno's acoustic solo piece 'Midnight Express' >> from _Waiting for the Punchline_? Nuno shows off his amazing chops >> there, and he manages doing the whole hammer on/pull off stuff on the >> heavier gauged acoustic guitar. He's got me baffled there as well, I've >> yet to figure out the alternate tuning he's using, or is he using an >> acoustic seven string? >
It's dropped D, I have several videos if Nuno playing this thing and he does it on dropped D...sometimes he used play More Than Words after that song and he had to retune the guitar.
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: CD reviews Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980430134928.858A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
You know, I never thought about how I contradict myself in my own sig. Yes, I do play for money, but when it comes to original music, that is where Rush's quote comes from. I still plan on doing a prog thing sometime in my life. But when it comes to making money, then I am a slut, musically.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mellotrons Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980430140655.858B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
In addition to everything already discussed, you forgot that Genesis used the melotron from their foxtrot album all the way up through Seconds out.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:18:42 -0400 From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: guitarists Message-ID: <3548C081.9F933EE8@pop3.utoledo.edu>
The definitive two words: Kirk Hammet.
BWAHAHA ; )
Jon
What the fuck is up with dissing Kirk? By all of your reasonings, because he plays tastefully, he sucks. That really doesn't make any sense. "Oh, no! Kirk Hammett doesn't play as fast as John Petrucci! His band isn't prog! What a bunch of assholes!" I don't really get whats so funny about saying a guy who obviously doesn't play as fast as many others sucks. Here's something on a positive note....What does anybody think of Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman from Slayer? I know they are not as technically adept as DT, but ya gotta admit, their songs are pretty fuckin fast (which does not necessarily make them good...)! chris
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:14:24 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Take Away My Sense of Humor Message-ID: <3548BF80.8E8A1D2@imap1.asu.edu>
Chris Calabrese was a meany:
> I'm sick and tired of hearing the majority of the jammers bashing > TAMP. > I just wanted to say a few things. First of all, it's one of my > favorite DT songs of all time. Furthermore, I think it's a real shame > that the majority of you guys...and gals have no respect for it at > all.
Whoa, hold up a sec there, Tex! Nobody ever said anything in disrespect towards the song or the content! I personally might have cracked a few jokes about it, but if you haven't figured it out by now, I HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR, and tend to do those kinda things. I merely stated that I like the demo version of the song a whole lot more, in my own style of writing.
> JP > wrote this song about dealing with the death of his father. WHO GIVES > A > FUCK if it's a cliched song or it's not heavy or it's not played at 90 > miles per hour? Don't you have any respect? TAMP has more feeling and > emotion than the majority of DT's songs. And as far as the music goes, > I think it's some of Petrucci's best playing ever.
And I agree, Petrucci is just a bad ass on this track. If it's one thing that impresses me it's when somebody can more or less shred and be subtle about it so that it runs through the song w/o the listener being immediately blown away by the guitar. And the solo is just beautiful.
> I'm not saying you have to love > the song, but have some respect for it. Petrucci was nice enough to > share a topic with the fans that obviously is very disturbing to him, > and saddens him a great deal. So the next time you hear TAMP, think > for > a second about what the song really means. Think about how it would > feel if one of your parents died, and then make your judgments.
In November of '97 I had two close relatives die within a span of two days. I was listening to FII quite a bit too, since it had recently been released right before all this happened. So I tried to listen to TAMP, and although I understand Petrucci's feelings for his father were probably much stronger than my own family ties, I understood the whole message in this song.
It just didn't hit me as hard as the demo version did. I actually listened to Anthrax's Bare off of Stomp 442 quite a bit to clear my mind of everything that was happening within my family. Go figure.
BTW, new Anthrax is finally coming out...AND I CAN'T WAIT!
~Eckie's da man! (He should be in detention)
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:24:55 -0400 From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: guitarists again Message-ID: <3548C1F7.7C031B95@pop3.utoledo.edu>
on Kretschmer wrote: > You people are morons. > The definitive two words: Kirk Hammet. > BWAHAHA ; )
Two words: who cares :) fast does not = good in my book
graham
a-fuckin-men, brother graham.
BTW, somebody asked awhile back about whether or not the new Stabbing Westward album (Darkest Days) is worth buying. All I can say is, get to Best Buy and get it. Its only $11.99 right now, and its one HELL of an album. Its not as catchy right off the bat than "Whither..." of "Ungod", but I think this one's gonna get alot more plays.
chris
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:30:55 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Take Away My Guitar Message-ID: <199804301830.LAA08151@gms.gmsnet.com>
The thing about the demo TAMP is that the guitar texturing just kicks ass... and they just totally got rid of it on the album version, it's a shame!!
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:30:56 +0100 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Michael Angelo Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980430193056.0090ca60@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Damn that man is good.....first he paints the Sistine Chapel hen I find out he's a great guitarist too! Is there no end to this guy's talent???
Chris Parnham IRC: Insania ICQ:5714076
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Date: 30 Apr 1998 14:40:14 -0400 From: Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com (IPM Return requested), Subject: Irving Plaza Message-ID: <046A63548C58E00D*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS>
Major bummer - I found out that I won't be able to go to Daytona's *sigh* -on second thought make that, "F#@%&$#G*#!*!%&@S#%&!!!!" [I'm really sorry Ryan, I won't be able to come through on that offer - it's out of my control.] I'm still planning a road trip to NYC for the Irving Plaza show. Leaving Friday afternoon from Columbia, MD returning Sat. afternoon. Two questions: 1) Are any of you meeting someplace before the show (for drinks that is)? 2) Is anyone else thinking about making this trek? I've got room in my car, but I can't provide a place to crash for Fri night after the show. (You're on your own until it's time to return). I-Man
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:41:54 CST From: "JEFFREY T CLINE" <JCLINE@toltec.astate.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fort Worth Show Message-ID: <18462BA1745@TOLTEC.astate.edu>
I was wondering if there was going to be a pre-show get together for the Fort Worth show on May 23. I'm driving about seven hours from Arkansas to visit some family and see DT. I won't be able to be on the jam for much longer cause I'm going home from college next week, so if anyone has any info plese e-mail me personally within the next few days. Thanks,
. Jeff Cline jcline@toltec.astate.edu www.immortalsoul.com _________________ / | / | /______|_______ | / | / ________|_/______
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:51:30 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ProgEst '98 Message-ID: <v01540b01b16e85a8cebb@[205.134.245.96]>
Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) wrote:
>The ProgEst festival in Quebec will be held from June 25 to July 5. Bands >>already on the bill are Pendragon, Discipline, IQ, Peter Hammill and >Spock's >Beard. The organizers are awaiting the word from one more band >and the full >line-up will be completed by May 10.
>Ok.. I've heard of SB.. I will pick up an album from them.. but what about >the other bands? does anyone have any info about it... cuz I'd really like >to go...
Pendragon and IQ are neo prog from England. Peter Hammill is the lead singer/leader of an old English prog band named Van Der Graaf Generator (VDGG). Right now he is a solo artist. His style is pretty mellow but his singing is so emotive. He is one of the best dinosaur prog singers from the 70's era. Discipline is a new prog band from the east coast. I think someone can explain this better than I do.
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:09:39 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: An interesting idea, For the love of eMpTyV Message-ID: <199804301916.MAA00325@baygate.bayarea.net>
> NP: Led Zeppelin - BBC Sessions (Disc two) ^^^^^^^^ Thank you so much for clarifying that. Otherwise I might have sat here for hours on end saying to myself... "OK, now I know he is listening to Led Zep's BBC Sessions. But is he listening to disc one or disc two???? Dammit, I must know!!!" :-)
Paul
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist...)
----------- Paul Humm humm@levy.com
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:12:55 +0100 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: moaning women Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27433958@LON01XBCAPGE>
How about:
Deep Purple - Child in Time Rainbow - All Night Long
Oh, those were guys?
I don't believe this thread is lasting this long....
Jonathan
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:49:35 -0300 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: guitarists Message-ID: <3548C7BF.925144DF@caribe.net>
Chris Bowsman wrote:
> The definitive two words: Kirk Hammet. > > BWAHAHA ; ) > > Jon > > What the fuck is up with dissing Kirk? By all of your reasonings, > because he plays tastefully, he sucks. That really doesn't make any > sense. "Oh, no! Kirk Hammett doesn't play as fast as John Petrucci! His > band isn't prog! What a bunch of assholes!"
Youre the first person ive seen that finds senseless wanking on with incessant wah wah on it tasteful.
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:51:03 -0500 From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chicago Show, May 13th, Cancelled! Message-ID: <199804301946.OAA11400@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
No, not really.... I just wanted the attention of the Chicago jammers. := )
Here's the deal. I just tossed up a quick generic wwwboard forum at:
http://www.prognosis.com/chicago
for the use of anyone planning on attending the Chicago show. This way, = we can try to coordinate rides, parking, food, arrival times, and pre/post show activities in one convenient location, without having to deal with a whole lot of e-mail. =20
Yes, it looks really bland and boring. I'll fix that. :) I urge EVERYO= NE who reads this and is going to be at the Vic on May 13th to go right now, to that url, and bookmark it. Please post, if only for the sake of letti= ng us know you'll be there.
If any Chicago locals want to get together beforehand (days beforehand) a= nd combine efforts to make a Chicago Jammer Banner, that would rock all nad.
Catch ya later... and go POST, dammit!
(p.s. if any other jammers want a wwwboard to do something like this for their area jammers, mail me privately, and I'll set it up, or help you se= t it up on your site. This should be pretty helpful to all area jammers!)
Christopher W. Ptacek
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman IRC: Madsman
=93I wonder if Harley-Davidson makes a unicycle=85=94 - Michael Hedges
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:14:39 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: London Forum Message-ID: <01bd746c$38faea60$LocalHost@elydian>
Just interested to know of anyone who's planning to go to the London Forum concert in late June.
Does anyone know whether this place is all ages?
========================================== In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ==========================================
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:59:11 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fastest guitarist Message-ID: <01bd7472$7132f2a0$LocalHost@elydian>
>You people are morons. > >The definitive two words: Kirk Hammet. > >BWAHAHA ; ) > >Jon
Six words: You have got to be joking.
>Certainly these guys like Yngwie and Angelo can play FAST, but that's on= ly ONE element >to mastering the guitar. Emotion is another very important aspect, whic= h was the point
Just because these guys can play fast doesn't mean they can't play with emotion. Listen to the opening lines of Angelo's "No Boundaries", now don= 't tell me that isn't emotion.
And the TAMP thing: Am I one of the only people who likes this? I have nothing against clich=E9s in music. I mean, if there was a law saying you can't use *this* certain harmony, or *this* certain melodic idea because something similar has been used before, then musicians would be trapped i= nto the 'now that melody would be excellent here, but I can't use it because that guy's done something similar before' frame of mind, which would be awfully restricting. TAMP is a wonderfully emotional piece, I don't know = why most people don't like it.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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