YTSEJAM Digest 3820
Today's Topics:
1) re: Joe Stump Concerts in the Netherlands
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
2) Thank you, Dr. Mosh
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
3) Strong PROGress
by "Ryan Good, Loud Rock Freak" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
4) Re: Moaning
by Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
5) Re:blonds..
by Dirty Water Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3817
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
7) "...accused of a crime they didn't commit..."
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
8) Nuno
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
9) ProgEst '98
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
10) Attack of the Neon Shark
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
11) New guy
by Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
12) Alien Love video
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) Re: You Not Me vs. You or Me
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
14) Best Concert Experience
by Chris Dixon <cdixon@isminternet.com>
15) An interesting idea, For the love of eMpTyV
by Kevin Andrew Loechner <kloechn@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:10:48 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: karies@wxs.nl, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Joe Stump Concerts in the Netherlands
Message-ID: <ae101486.3548785a@aol.com>
Unfortunately, the entire European tour, including the Netherlands, was
cancelled last week. Joe told me this on Monday. Sorry! He said there was a
possibility of rescheduling it for September.
~~~~~Art
www.joestump.com
<<<To all Joe Stump fans in Holland: The guy is playing three gigs in May.
Pretty small places, which is pretty good because that means an intimate
gig (I still dream of seeing Joe or Steve play in a 200-people club).
Anyway, locations are Bakel (De Fuse, 21 may), Zeist (De Druppel, 22
may) and Leerdam (Jungle, 23 may).
Does any of you know where De Druppel is in Zeist, exactly? Because
that will be the concert I'm going to.>>>
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:23:50 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thank you, Dr. Mosh
Message-ID: <53358594.35487b67@aol.com>
Sir Mosh,
The answer is ...............YES! Thank you for your endorsement. Please
send checks payable to 'Official Ytsejam Commentator'@aol.com. I'll be happy
to respond with some lame, unfunny, one or two line post in your honor.
Again, thank you for your continued support.
Kez
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:50:32 -0500
From: "Ryan Good, Loud Rock Freak" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Strong PROGress
Message-ID: <199804301344.IAA33168@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hey all...
Just a quick reminder that Strong PROGress will be on in full force
today (Thursday) from 2pm to 4pm (Central Standard Time).
We've got this week + next week, then we're off the air until May
30th when the summer semester kicks in. SO, in other words, make your
requests TODAY by calling 608-265-WSUM or e-mailing WSUMlive@macc.wisc.edu
Thanks, and L8R
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WSUM - MADISON STUDENT RADIO to go FM in OCTOBER '98 at 91.7!!!!!!!!
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"Pretty Fine Day If I Say So"
- Always Almost
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"The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://msr.wisc.edu
Host of Strong Progress, Thursdays from 2pm till 4pm
Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206
Office Hours: Wed 10-11, Thurs 12-1, various other times...
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Date: 30 Apr 1998 10:09:21 -0400
From: Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (IPM Return requested)
Subject: Re: Moaning
Message-ID: <070BD35488611001*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS>
Moaning?
How about, "Sex (I'm a...) - Berlin.
OK, now that I've posted this, I'm bracing myself for te flames! Keep
in mind that I'm old, it was the 80's, and except for listening RUSH
it was embarrassing just to be alive-- not to mention the clothes and
the hair!
I-Man
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dirty Water Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:blonds..
Message-ID: <199804301420.HAA12441@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
>REASONS WHY DOGS DON'T USE COMPUTERS
>1. Can't stick their heads out of Windows '95.
>2. Fetch command not available on all platforms.
>3. Hard to read the monitor with your head cocked to one side.
>4. Too difficult to "mark" every web site they visit.
>5. Can't help attacking the screen when they hear "You've Got Mail.
>6. Involuntary tail wagging is dead giveaway they're browsing
>www.pethouse.com instead of working.
>7. Keep bruising noses trying to catch that virtual Frisbee.
>8. Not at all fooled by Chuckwagon Screen Saver.
>9. Still trying to come up with an emoticon that signifies
>Tail wagging.
>10. Three words: Carpal Paw Syndrome.
>11. Saliva coated floppy disks refuse to work.
>12. SIT and STAY were hard enough; DELETE and SAVE
>are out of the question!
>13. Distracted by cats chasing the mouse.
>14. TrO{gO HyAqR4tDc TgrOo TgYPmE WeIjTyH P;AzWqS,.
> ("Too hard to type with paws!")
Scott
ps. DON'T forget about the VH concert live from the 10 spot on MTV friday
night. :)
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Some balls are held for charity and some for fancy dress,but
when they're held for pleasure they're the balls that I like best
My balls are always bouncing to the left and to the right, it's
my belief that my big balls should be held every night.
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3817
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980430101153.53666A-100000@archa9.cc.uga.edu>
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:22:39 -0400
> From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Take Away My Pain
> Message-ID: <3547EE7F.E440CF7B@ic3.ithaca.edu>
>
>
> I'm sick and tired of hearing the majority of the jammers bashing TAMP.
> I just wanted to say a few things. First of all, it's one of my
> favorite DT songs of all time. Furthermore, I think it's a real shame
> that the majority of you guys...and gals have no respect for it at all.
> I'm a musician, and most of the time, I really don't care what a song is
> about, but every now and then I do. And this is one of those times. JP
> wrote this song about dealing with the death of his father. WHO GIVES A
> FUCK if it's a cliched song or it's not heavy or it's not played at 90
> miles per hour? Don't you have any respect?
Respect for Petrucci and his late father? Sure. Respect for this song?
No way, not I. I don't care if it's "not heavy or it's not played at 90
miles per hour", but I do care about the cliched thing. DT has always
been a band that has been far above normalcy and cliches, IMO. I don't
know where you get off thinking we have to "respect this *song*". Now,
disrespecting JP and the situation leading to this song is a different
matter altogether; but, as far as I've seen, no one's done that. I
respect what he was trying to do in this song, I simply don't like the way
he did it. It doesn't appeal to me in the least, and if I want to say I
think it's crap, I will.
> TAMP has more feeling and
> emotion than the majority of DT's songs.
LOL
> And as far as the music goes,
> I think it's some of Petrucci's best playing ever. Right before and
> during the part where JL sings "His final score, the actor bows...,"
> crank your stereo. Listen to the fast playing in the background. It's
> very subtle, but you can make it out. It reminds me a lot of Robert
> Fripp's playing during "Frame by Frame." The solo has so much emotion
> built up into it, and the majority of the song is made up of arpeggios
> played over and over again by Petrucci. I'm not saying you have to love
> the song, but have some respect for it. Petrucci was nice enough to
> share a topic with the fans that obviously is very disturbing to him,
> and saddens him a great deal. So the next time you hear TAMP, think for
> a second about what the song really means. Think about how it would
> feel if one of your parents died, and then make your judgments.
I guess I really missed the part where anyone on here was disrespecting
the death of JP's father...
Again, just because we respect what happened doesn't mean we have to
respect the way he wrote about it. I just think it has been done better
many times (aka Hetfield). But, that's just my opinion based on my
personal taste and preference. If TAMP is your style, more power to you.
But don't tell me what I have to like or respect. Thank you.
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Album Currently Playing: Symphony X--The Divine Wings of Tragedy
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Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words
ktulu@arches.uga.edu Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into
Infinity."
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:41 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "...accused of a crime they didn't commit..."
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980430102741.007583b8@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>Of course, they were also the first band to have a flute player,
>but that piece of shit ripoff band Jethro Tull gets credit for it. Any
>way, I spend enough time ranting about how Tull ripped off the Moodies,
>back to the mellotron.
I suggest checking up on band-history before putting your foot in your
mouth with a ridiculous statement like that one. Ian Anderson bought a
flute at a pawn shop because it was cheap, looked interesting, and would
serve as a mighty fine gimmick for his *blues* band, so as to make them
distinguishable. (This band would later be known as Jethro Tull.) Anyhow,
his reasoning did not include anywhere in there anything about ripping off
the Moody Blues, who weren't even commercially successful yet (their most
popular albums weren't around yet when Tull was a flute-equipped barband).
Not to mention the flute styles of the two bands aren't anywhere close to
being similar.
C'mon, I'm sure find yourself a better conspiracy theory than that one.
Like how the Eagles ripped off the tune of "Hotel California" from Jethro
Tull's "We Used To Know". Maybe it was subconscious, being that the Eagles
opened for Tull back when they were playing WUTK (the year before HC came
out), but the two songs have a disquieting similarity...
Back to your regularly scheduled threads.
Brian "CIA Scapegoat" Henderson
===========================
Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:36:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nuno
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980430102559.9758B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Nathan inquired:
> Well then what about Nuno's acoustic solo piece 'Midnight Express'
> from _Waiting for the Punchline_? Nuno shows off his amazing chops
> there, and he manages doing the whole hammer on/pull off stuff on the
> heavier gauged acoustic guitar. He's got me baffled there as well, I've
> yet to figure out the alternate tuning he's using, or is he using an
> acoustic seven string?
Having been in the front row for an Extreme concert (he preened), I can
say that it was a 6-string acoustic. At the time (III Sides to Every Story
had just been released) the solo was called "Midnight Train", and it
sounded a bit different, but it was played on a 6-string. Very impressive
live.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Jesus saves....
..but Jagr picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!"
GO PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!
Currently playing: Bob Culbertson -- "A Moment in Time"
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:39:15 -0400
From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT')
Subject: ProgEst '98
Message-ID: <1998Apr30.102553.1255.2344178@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
Hello.. I picked this info on the Ghostland site this morning:
ProgEst '98
The ProgEst festival in Quebec will be held from
June
25 to July 5. Bands already on the bill are
Pendragon,
Discipline, IQ, Peter Hammill and Spock's Beard.
The
organizers are awaiting the word from one more
band
and the full line-up will be completed by May 10.
Ok.. I've heard of SB.. I will pick up an album from them.. but what about
the other bands? does anyone have any info about it... cuz I'd really like
to go...
Thx in advance
XaNaDu
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:08:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Attack of the Neon Shark
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980430105732.10512C-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
I wrote the following about Alex Masi's "Attack of the Neon Shark":
>> just lots of notes jumbled together at high speed. It doesn't even have
>> the real melodic quality of many neoclassical shred albums
and then Per remarked:
> You say Masi is neoclassical? Eh, I don't know about that... maybe one
> track or another is, but on the whole, the album shows no influences to
> me, it just stinks. Just think about track 4, "DFWM" - oh me oh my! Just
> a lot of notes, one guitar alone with a delay, 32nd notes almost all
> over, and no melodic content whatsoever.
I said that Masi's work doesn't have the real melodic quality of many
neoclassical shred albums. I didn't say he *was* neoclassical -- for that,
you have to have some melody in your shred, and I don't think this album
does for the most part.
BTW, your complaints with "DWFM" were almost my exact ones. "Where's the
melody?" I was thinking. Yeah, the speed was impressive, but after hearing
it once or twice I stopped finding it interesting.
The album does have one redeeming feature. Masi listed Holdsworth as one
of his big influences, and I think Holdsworth plays a solo or two
someplace.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Jesus saves....
...but Jagr picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!"
GO PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!
Currently playing: Adiemus -- "Songs of Sanctuary"
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New guy
Message-ID: <19980430150756.10235.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com>
Hi,
I have been reading the jam now for quite a few months and it has been
very funny and interesting and I thought its about time I started
writing in.
First some info for European Paul Gilbert fans...
This is from the Japanese Mr. Big fan website
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Message from Paul Gilbert
Apr 24, 1998
Hello! Here is the latest information regarding my King of Clubs
European Rock and Roll Clinic Tour sponsored by Ibanez Guitars
and Laney Amplifiers! I hope to see you there!!!
DATE
CITY
VENUE
May 10 Rimini, Italy DISMA Music Show
May 11 Bologna, Italy All for Music
May 12 Pisa, Italy Grandi Magazzini della Musica
May 13 Milano, Italy Lucky Music S.r.l.
May 14 Nancy, France TBA
May 15 Paris, France TBA
May 16 Athens, Greece Mousikorama '98/ Stadium Piece and Friendship
May 18 Madrid, Spain TBA
May 19 Porto-Aveiro, Portugal Auditorio do Centro Cultural
May 20 Lisbon, Portugal Auditorio da UACDL
May 21 London(Guildford), UK Andertons Music
May 22 Manchester, UK A1 Music
May 23 Birmingham, UK Musical Exchange
May 24 Doncaster, UK Electro Music
May 26 Berlin, Germany Sound & Drumland
May 27 Kiel, Germany Insound
May 28 Hamburg, Germany No. 1 Music Park
May 29 Ibbenburen, Germany Musik Produktiv
May 30 Hartenstein, Germany Musikhaus Markstein
June 2 Frankfurt, Germany Musik-Schmidt
June 3 Karlsruhe, Germany Rockshop
June 4 Treppendorf, Germany Musikhaus Thomann
June 5 Koln, Germany Art of Sound
June 6 Sulzbach, Germany Six + Four
Please note...all dates are subject to change. Please contact your
local Ibanez/Laney dealer for times and confirmation.
I am very excited to play in Europe. It has been over a year since I
have been there and I can't wait to come back and rock!
My new album "King of Clubs" has just been released in Europe and the
United States. I hope that you enjoy it! I plan on touring in
some cities in the U.S. this summer. I will keep you posted of my
schedule via e-mail and I hope to be in your city soon!
Thank you for listening!
Sincerely, Paul
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Now some DTC
London DT fans...
Has anybody bought any DT boot videos from a guy in Camden?
Are they any good? 20 quid a vid
How about a get together in a pub (natch) before the DT Forum gig in
London next month?
All the best
Simon
Look out for my band CEREAL KILLER we might almost be as big as
Stormwatch
ps-Roger from Brasil
Que onda? I will be in touch for some boots soon
pps Anyone in the UK with some DT boots?
ppps Anyone out there with some Mr. Big boots?
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:24:42 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Alien Love video
Message-ID: <354897BA.6B40E6B6@caribe.net>
Could someone please email me some description/track list of Vai's
alien love secrets video??
Thanks
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: You Not Me vs. You or Me
Message-ID: <199804301553.LAA10630@fuzzfactor.com>
I can't believe how many people actually prefer You or Me to You Not Me.
I will admit that there are some parts of You or Me that I would have
kept, such as:
the synth bass intro <really techno...cool>
the interlude <the keys sound TOTALLY KevMo here>
but that's it. the chorus is MUCH stronger in YNM both musically <with
the key change> and lyrically. the lyrics are just better throughout. I
don't think there was anything WRONG with them before, but the song is
MUCH MORE COHERENT as YNM. I am personally glad they:
changed the words and key of the chorus, and put the break in
there
shortned the "jam" section <the extended one on the demo is
cool if you're live, but in the studio it tends to
drag>
eliminated the silly "I need som pencils..." sample at the
beginning
I really like YNM. the first time I heard it I remember my gf called me
and said she just downloaded it, listened to it and cried because it was
so bad. The first time I heard it I just said, "Enh, this sin't so bad.
It's a single." And it gradually grew on me. When I heard YoM, I
IMMEDIATELY knew which I liked better.
Just some thoughts...
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:58:13 -0400
From: Chris Dixon <cdixon@isminternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Best Concert Experience
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980430125813.00976eb0@mail.isminternet.com>
The new Prog-Net survey is underway. The new topic is 'Favorite Concert
Experience'. This time, the votes will be collected in a database, so the
results will be accurate and sortable in several different ways. Stop by
and cast your vote!
Prog-Net is: http://www.isminternet.com/prognet/
"Reviews and Opinions About Progressive Music"
Thanks,
Chris
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:18:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kevin Andrew Loechner <kloechn@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: An interesting idea, For the love of eMpTyV
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.94.980430115552.22482A-100000@spnode04.tcs.tulane.edu>
Hey 'Jammers,
I thought of something extremely humorous here. I think that DT should
make a JLMB video, and if eMpTyV actually played this video (unlike other
DT videos which never get played by them) it would be extremely humorous.
I would love to see some eMpTyV bashing on eMpTyV itself. I just saw the
lamest thing about that "wonderful pop culture" station recently. You
know the Daily Show section on the new VJ, and now eMpTyV has its first VJ
that was a product of their cultural vacuum. Speaking of pop "culture", I
just don't see how so many intelligent people can get sucked into its
vacuum. There is so much out there that has to be explored, what is the
fun of having culture pushed in our face. Now, I don't expect everybody
to worship DT, Rush, etc., but I do expect an understanding of the talent
of the bands and how they defy the status quo. No thanks to all the big
wigs in the music industry, almost no one can think for themselves. What
we need is more independent thought. I think that if everyone would think
for themselves and define their own culture (culture as a way of making
sense of the world around us, which it is supposed to be -- the very
definition implies independent thought, but it is often stifled by an
overwhelming "culture machine"). Just how does this relate to DT might
you say:
1. Dream Theater is not part of the huge juggernaut that is our pop
culture machine (although, oddly signed by a major label, but they don't
get much promotion or attention from the company, imo)
2. If more people got an interest in Dream Theater and other progressive
bands, the world could rid itself of such blights as those five "wannabe"
she-Beatles, those cocaine snorting Beatle rip-offs, that band that should
"Push" itself into a pit, and those she-boy teen idol bands. Figure them
out for yourselves, because it would put a jinx on me if I wrote their
names here.
3. Dream Theater is just better than all of these "pop" losers.
Well, that is just some food for thought (hopefully independent thoughts).
Must return to my exciting work.
Later,
Kevin Loechner
http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~kloechn
kloechn@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
loechner@eecs.tulane.edu
"Feed my head with some real thoughts, and let me think instead of being
taught."
NP: Led Zeppelin - BBC Sessions (Disc two)
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