YTSEJAM Digest 4130
Today's Topics:
1) Empty Tremor and the Arash Syndrome
by JE78674@ltu.edu
2) Check this out...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
3) Chicks that dig DT (or something)
by cherylcat@earthlink.net
4) Re: Stratovarius' first cd (NDTC)
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio_Del_Nunzio?=" <malmsteen@sti.com.br>
5) Producers and such...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
6) Re: The Mirror - a rhythmacopia disguised as a straight ahead song :o)
by Calvin6S@aol.com
7) Empty Tremor
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) Re: I need your HELP !
by Tobias Bonang <bonang@pacbell.net>
9) Re: MY Girlfriend
by MTeiper@aol.com
10) Re: Testament
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) Re: Odd time fun stuff / very important question - right....
by ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
12) Kevin/Derek <flame on!>
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Re: Testament
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
14) Re: Time Signatures
by FlatYer5s@aol.com
15) Attn: Ytsejammers going to Hampton Beach on Tuesday!!
by Inflammabl@aol.com
16) Re: Kevin/Derek <flame on!>
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) Re: Favorite WDADU song
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
18) Impact 2 lyrics
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
19) Odds'n'sods
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:04:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Empty Tremor and the Arash Syndrome
Message-ID: <01J04Y02A9NM8WVZV5@LTU.EDU>
Arash,
I ordered the CD from CDnow. Consider another purchase made. As for
your concern towards the band, I can't help but feel confused.
You say they need to sell CD's to survive. What exactly does this
mean? Considering they are all teenagers or something close to that age
would imply that they are under the shelter of parents who obviously
make their own income. Just a thought.
Side note: They are quite good. That's why I ordered the CD. I think
most on the Jam will enjoy them as well.
-Jeff E.
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:07:59 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Check this out...
Message-ID: <01BDBE72.CAE38720@252.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
http://www.ubl.com/chart/top100.html :-)
Mark Bredius
_______________________________________________________
Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website
http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:12:43 -0700
From: cherylcat@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chicks that dig DT (or something)
Message-ID: <35C4E45A.2356106E@earthlink.net>
Umm, excuse me, but I do believe there are plenty of us chicks out here
in California that dig DT. (me, Coldfire, Jessie to name but a few) At
least the last time I checked, we were of the female persuasion.
/me looks down....yep, still a chick!
rockercat
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:29:42 -0300
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio_Del_Nunzio?=" <malmsteen@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Stratovarius' first cd (NDTC)
Message-ID: <011a01bdbe65$12693120$6b64a8c0@malmsteen>
>Anyone out there ever heard or has Stratovarius-Fright Night? It's a bit
>pricey at $30 (OK, very pricey) and I'm just wondering where it stands
>in comaparison to their other cds.
I like it...It's probably the worst Strato album,but still good...More
Traditional Metal than the others...There is an edition that comes with the
live tracks from "Will The Sun Rise EP",which makes buying it a much more
interesting thing :)
> Plus, does the Japanese complitaion,
>The Past and Now, have any new tracks?
No...There are songs from all their albums,and some songs from Timo
Tolkki solo album "Classical Variations And Themes",but not new songs...
Mario
malmsteen@sti.com.br
http://www.truemetal.org/speedking/
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:54:23 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Producers and such...
Message-ID: <199808022234.RAA20193@indy1.indy.net>
>Crystal Planet... bought it brought it home.. listened to it and had
>violent tendencies to strangle Mike Fraser the producer and to
>physically hurl the disc against the wall!!! I think I even hear
>CLIPPING on the guitar sound!! FUCK! I can produce a better album
>on my crappy equipment... I wont even mention the flat as a pancake
drumming...
Amen, brother. I can't imagine a bigger act than Satriani with such
abysmal production. Crystal Planet is a GREAT album - musically. The
rumor is that Stu Hamm (my favorite, BTW) plays on it, but you'd never know
it. I think Mike Fraser could even take, say, the ungodly fat-ass tone of
a Billy Sheehan and make it do a disappearing act.
Satch ought to do ads: 'Yes, you too can have your album recorded for the
low, low price of $9.95!!!!!!!!!!!'
Mike Patrick
Indianapolis, IN
mepatric@indy.net
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:50:41 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Mirror - a rhythmacopia disguised as a straight ahead song :o)
Message-ID: <c4430e25.35c4ed43@aol.com>
Ryan Park asked:
> With all this discussion of time signatures, can someone explain the time
> signatures for the intro measures of "The Mirror?" (Both before and after
> Mike enters.)
It has been quite awhile since I transcribed this, so I hope I don't screw
this up
1 bar of 4/4 starting on the 4th beat (the harmonic scrape)
1 bar of 4/4
1 bar of 3/4 (where drums enter)
4 bars of 12/8
7 bars of 4/4 (keys enter)
1 bar of 17/16 (drum fill) This to me is the coolest bar because it adds an
extra sixteenth note to give the next section quite a different feel.
32 bars of 4/4 (double time)
1 bar of 15/16 (double time)
The bars of 17/16 and 15/16 are the coolest. They allow the guiitar/bass to
just keep doing it chug-chug-chug-rest-chug-chug-chug-rest feel throughout the
whole intro (although both do a little bit of coloring during the double time
section). In reality PORTNOY IS DOING ALL the changes that give the whole
intro its different while same feel. Even the 17/16 and 15/16 are the same so
to speak. He just added a 16th from one measure and took it way from another
to change the pulse - but together they still equal 2 bars of 4/4 (17+15=32 /
2 = 16 over 16 or 4 over 4 - 4/4)
So as SIMPLE as the Mirror is - it is a great study in time signatures.
Okay - the Mirror. Next question. The second verse repeat "I spent so long -
trusting in you". For a real treat LISTEN TO THE KICK (Bass Drum). Is
Portnoy playing the simple bass / snare / bass /snare feel of the other
verse? HELL NO. Care to discuss to take this theory stuff further?
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:00:04 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Empty Tremor
Message-ID: <35C4EF74.B861DF62@home.com>
> I've been informed that Rising Sun Records will drope Empty Tremor
> if nothing happens in terms of sales :-(((((((((((((((((((((
>
> Please help ET and buy "Apocolokyntosys". I think most of you have allready
> heard some samples or their promo tape. They must sell records for surviving.
I'll back Arash up on this one. The CD is DEFINITELY worth getting.
What are you guys waiting for?
> Rising Sun Records thinks that the new songs are TOO PROG and not commercial enough !
Ugggggg. :-(
Later,
- Joe D. (check out Empty Tremor!)
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:28:31 -0700
From: Tobias Bonang <bonang@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I need your HELP !
Message-ID: <199808030030.RAA08679@mail-gw6.pacbell.net>
actually, you can get apocolokyntosys from cdnow for less than $14 ,
including shipping and handling, if you hurry..they're having an
anniversary sale, giving $10 off for purchases over $19.99 (which is the
exact price of apocolokyntosys there) until august 4th. I followed a link
from yahoo (search: cdnow) to get to the main page with the additional $10
off promotion. but they have to backorder though..
if you're planning to buy prog cd's in the near future, and don't have
apocolokyntosys, put this one on your list, please :)..I'm waiting for
their next album..
btw, considering their young ages, anyone ever thought about comparing
empty tremor and hanson ?...;))
===The ultimate answer:===
It's life, things happen..
==========================
toby.bonang@biogate.com
www.biogate.com/toby.bonang
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:34:43 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MY Girlfriend
Message-ID: <24e20445.35c505a6@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-08-01 21:54:13 EDT, you write:
<< Does anyone except me know what it is like to have your girfriend like
DT? She actually went to a concert with me back in May.
She thinks Mike Porntoy is an animal...and he is.
Who else shares in my experience?
>>
Sure... I have seen DT 8 times since 1992, and my wife has attended all but 1
of the shows, and the one she missed was because it was a serious road trip in
the middle of the week, and she didn't want to take off the time from work. I
have made her several DT mix tapes over the years... it's VERY cool to be
driving with her, and she's singing along to the DT in my tape deck rather
than suggesting a tape switch! :-) I believe that her fave song is Space
Dye Vest, but lately, I've been noticing Lines In the Sand getting some HEAVY
rotation in the tape deck in her car! WooHoo!
In related news, I forget the exact count, but I believe that my FATHER (age
54!), has been to about 6 of the shows with me! One big happy family, ya
know? :-)
Laterz...... Matt T.
NP: AOI (Still trying to figure out if I love it or not...)
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:43:33 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Testament
Message-ID: <e6f7be03.35c507b6@aol.com>
Joe DeAngelo said about Testament:
"On a related Testament note, I really like Alex Skolnick's playing on
Savatage's "Handful of Rain", and I know he was with Testament for a
while. Christian Kremo recommended "The Ritual" and "Practice What You
Preach" to me as being good Skolnick discs. However, I'm a little
curious as to what they sound like, in particular the VOCALS. I heard
something recent by them (either off Demonic or Low, I can't remember)
and it sounded like Slayer (uggggghhhh). My impression is that they've
changed drastically though, is that true?"
Absolutely true. When Alex left before the "Low" album, the rest of the band
decided to "return to their roots" and go back to the really heavy stuff. As
a result, IMHO, they have put out the 2 worst albums of their career. There
were only a handful of good songs off "Low", and if I recall, the only song I
liked off "Demonic" was "Demonic Refusal". I think you will be very happy
with both "The Ritual" and "Practice". In particular, "The Ritual" is still
one of my all-time fave albums... even though the mix was lacking a bit.
"Practice" is just a classic, IMO. Great songs and a great mix. That was
back in what I consider to be their hey-day. Chuck Billy's vocals are great
on both albums. He especially sings GREATLY on "The Ritual". He actually has
an excellent singing voice... it's too bad he rarely utilizes it anymore.
Anywho, that's it for now. Hope this helps....
- Matt T.
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:46:49 -0400
From: ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Odd time fun stuff / very important question - right....
Message-ID: <19980802.211555.11118.0.ed_wilk@juno.com>
Scottie said,
>We dont want to confuse the nonmusicians so I just thought that I'd set
the
>record straight. (okokok, so i've just been watching my portnoy video
24-7
>and felt the urge to apply that information!)
The "nonmusicians?" This, coming from a DRUMMER? ;) (Bwahaha)
Ed
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:21:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin/Derek <flame on!>
Message-ID: <199808030121.VAA11423@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> Yes, he does, though personally I think KevMo's technique is more
> advanced. But hey, he left, and DS does do a pretty damn good job
> replacing him.
Hmm... I think Kevin is more advanced in SOME techniques, but not all.
Derek can improvise, Kevin could NOT. Kevin had about 10 sounds that he
used on DT's recordings, and maybe half that live. Say what you will
about all Derek's sounds coming right from the Trinity <which is not
true>, but he's a LOT better at the orchetration aspect of keyboard
playing that Kev was. Plus, Derek uses the EXACT same sounds live as he
does in the studio.
Kev, on the other hand was a better MELODIST that Derek is--the melodies
he uses in his leads blow Derek away. Derek seems to like to just let it
rip in a solo. Technically, however, Derek's solos are something Moore
could never touch.
In short, it seems to me that Kev was a better EMOTIVE musician and a
better pianist than Derek, and that Derek is a better MECHANICAL musicaian
and keyboardist. Derek seems much better at using his musical knowledge
to think on his feet while Kevin would be a perfectionist and think things
out. One is not better than the other--just different.
'course, having said all that, I like Derek MUCH better.
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:45:25 -0500
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Testament
Message-ID: <35C51635.7441@rollanet.org>
MTeiper@aol.com wrote:
My fav. Testament albums are The New Order, and Souls Of Black, I think
ol' Chuck does a great vocal job on Souls, plus rippin ass solos on that
album. Souls of Black has some good drumming in it as well, IMHO. The
Ritual reminds me of the M*t*l*i*A black album in a way, relaxing and
concentrating more on the grooves while still remaining very heavy
somehow. Not my favorite Testament album, but very good nonetheless :)
Tom Cox
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:03:26 EDT
From: FlatYer5s@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Message-ID: <5fb17025.35c51a6f@aol.com>
Ryan Park wrote:
<< > With all this discussion of time signatures, can someone explain the time
> signatures for the intro measures of "The Mirror?" (Both before and after
> Mike enters.) I've tried to figure this out exactly, and failed... and I
am
> fairly familiar with music theory!
>
Tom Cox wrote:
Well, Ryan, the very first piece of noise,(what do you call that sound,
technically? I'm a drummer :) Is a 1 count of 4/4, then there is a bar
of 4/4 (da-da-da), when the snare and floor toms come in, it's a bar of
3/4, then when the beat starts, it's 12/8(I just play until it hits the
slow part, don't really count that :) There ya go, hope it helps!
>>
The beginning of "The Mirror" really kicks my ass. It's SO damn clever. I've
known DT are really damn good, but this is just insane...lemme explain.
In music, there is a rhythmic device known as metric modulation- it's the
changing of a time signature (meter) through use of a common rhythmic unit:
16th note, 8th note, etc. The rhythmic unit is introduced in the first meter
and is held constant while the meter itself changes. In the intro section of
"The Mirror" (before the vocals enter), the rhythmic device is the constant
heavy "da-da-da" figure played by JP- this figure remains absolutely constant
while MP changes the outer rhythmic framework around through several different
meters and feels.
In relation to the theme/concept of the song, I interpreted this like so:
The constant figure of JP is representing the mirror itself, whether a literal
mirror, a neutral observer, or whatever the interpretation may be. The point
is, just as a mirror is an unchanging constant which is unaffected by, yet
reflects the chaotic world all around it, JP's rhythmic figure is an
unchanging constant ("da-da-da") which, also, is unaffected by, yet reflects
the "chaos" of MP's constant metric moduations. It "reflects" it by way of
being the literal backbone of his drumbeats.
To break it down: Petrucci= mirror, Portnoy= chaos. (Nothing personal Mike!
ha!) All in all, phenomenal use of a musical device to help bring out the
underlying theme of a song. TRUE progressive music at it highest level!!
Great job, boys!!
<psycho-babble courtesy of this brain-fried guy>
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:32:08 EDT
From: Inflammabl@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attn: Ytsejammers going to Hampton Beach on Tuesday!!
Message-ID: <da077a68.35c52f39@aol.com>
Attention Jammers attending the show at Hampton Beach on Tuesday,
The show has been cancelled! Okay, now that I have your attention, the show
really isn't cancelled, but I wanted to let you know that several other
jammers (myself and 2 others) will be at Pizza Hut on Route 1 in Hampton at
5:00 pm. We'd like to invite you to eat with us. In fact, we'd really like
for you to come.
Directions to Route 1 Pizza Hut:
]From 95N: Take Route 1 Exit go RT 1 North, Pizza Hut will be on your left
about 50 feet past the first light (or so) If you see the Hampton Cinemas 6
on your right, you are going the right way.
Drop me a line if you plan on being there, inflammabl@aol.com
Later, J
Jeremy "Jay" Kube
inflammabl@aol.com
kube@nh.ultranet.com
jkube@cyberportal.net
"Sex is Death, Death is Sex; Says it right here on my crucifix!" John P.
Petrucci, Dream Theater.
"If I had breasts, I would never leave the house. Ever." John Perrault
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:49:39 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kevin/Derek <flame on!>
Message-ID: <199808030349.UAA26433@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Steve Zebrowski thus begged:
>
>> Yes, he does, though personally I think KevMo's technique is more
>> advanced. But hey, he left, and DS does do a pretty damn good job
>> replacing him.
>
>Hmm... I think Kevin is more advanced in SOME techniques, but not all.
>Derek can improvise, Kevin could NOT. Kevin had about 10 sounds that he
>used on DT's recordings, and maybe half that live. Say what you will
>about all Derek's sounds coming right from the Trinity <which is not
>true>, but he's a LOT better at the orchetration aspect of keyboard
>playing that Kev was. Plus, Derek uses the EXACT same sounds live as he
>does in the studio.
Well, I used to be in the school of thought that Kevin was better than Derek.
But, not these days, Derek is WICKED... what he plays on Impact is gnarly
d00d... Plus, music is too subjective anyways...
>Kev, on the other hand was a better MELODIST that Derek is--the melodies
>he uses in his leads blow Derek away. Derek seems to like to just let it
>rip in a solo. Technically, however, Derek's solos are something Moore
>could never touch.
I agree, Derek is amazing when it comes to soloing. His wicked style of
progfusionjazz is killer... Kevin was good at writing the more classically
oriented stuff...
>'course, having said all that, I like Derek MUCH better.
I couldn't say that... although Kevin's new stuff isn't METAL, I know what
he's quite capable of... and I wouldn't say I like Derek much better...
-The Doc
-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:51:04 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Favorite WDADU song Message-ID: <199808030351.UAA26446@gms.gmsnet.com>
Killing Hand
-The Doc
-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:34:44 -0700 From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Impact 2 lyrics Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980802213440.0076a00c@pop3.concentric.net>
Without looking at the printed lyrics, I wrote: >>-The Doc >> >>-- >>L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> >>"The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - >>Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST > >/me sits and watches to see how many times Dr. Mosh will post with a messed >up quote in his sig. *yawn* :)
Well, my apologies go to Dino. According to the printed lyrics, it says "epitaph will SAY", but my ears tell me the line is "epitaph will STAY". Is Matt Bradley on this list ? If so, maybe he could tell us for sure, since he sang the friggin' thing. Maybe one of his buddies from Dali's Dilemma could ask him for us. I think there's a typo in the liner notes. :)
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:05:29 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Odds'n'sods Message-ID: <01BDBED7.030C0F50@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
The three tenors - the three sporanos - G3. Does anybody else see a pattern? Who said commercialism?
If anybody is considering going to see Deep Purple in Europe, all I can say is go, even if only for the support band. Rage on their own are good, but with the Lingua Mortis orchestra they are simply huge. You can always leave at the interval.
Falling Into Infinity and Liquid Tension Experiment - both original CDs are now in the bins of my local used CD shop after I burned copies containing only the stuff that I liked. But these copies I made now get played a lot more than the originals.
Can anybody explain the term chop? To me, as an ex-pat Brit, a chop is a piece of meat (usually pork or lamb) cut with the bone.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop nga@software-ag.de Currently playing: Dearly Beheaded - Chamber Of One "You are free to do as we tell you" - Bill Hicks
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