YTSEJAM Digest 4129
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Favorite WDADU song
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
2) DT ringing melodies
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
3) Comparing LTE to AOI
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
4) Time Signatures
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
5) oopsie
by "Scott Sturdivant" <ckssrs@axiomnet.com>
6)
by jogopogo@freemail.nl
7) Odd time fun stuff / very important question - right....
by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
8) Stratovarius' first cd (NDTC)
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
9) Re: Time Signatures
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
10) Re:Chicks that dig DT (or something)
by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4128
by FlatYer5s@aol.com
12) Fav. WDADU songs
by "Justin Cassidy" <cassidy1@ptialaska.net>
13) Cool fills (drums)
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
14) I need your HELP !
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
15) Rush live 3 CD info
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
16) satch!!! bad producer bad...
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4128
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Favorite WDADU song
Message-ID: <199808021509.LAA10271@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Steven Dob's basement typed:
> Thought about during a short jaunt into hell (Wal-Mart) . . .
Ewww. That's *another* reason I'm glad I'm moving back to NY.
Enormo-Mart is the only place around here you can get anything. Back
home, if I need hardware, I can go to a hardware store and talk to an
expert. Then, if I need a TV, I can go to an electronics store and
talk to an expert (or figure out relatively quickly whether the
salesperson is an expert or not). At Enormo-Mart, it's *all*
pimple-faced 16 year olds. They don't know anything about anything.
OK, I digress. :)
> My favorite WDADU song . . . Ystejam and Status Seeker
For me, it has to be "Only A Matter of Time." Kev's lyrics on that
one are so good, they're reminiscent of Peart. I once heard Kev's
storytelling described as giving you just enough to be moved, but not
enough to spell everything out for you. And that about sums it up.
(cf. "Hell Mary.") Anyway, the instrumentation on that track is also
top notch, especially Kev's solos towards the end. The crescendo that
builds up to the end of the freakin' album... I don't know whose idea
that was, but it was pure genius. Just when you get to breathing
heavy and moshing along to the music, it ends. "Damn, I need more
DT!" Try this. Tomorrow, when you wake up, play OAMOT first thing,
and then nothing for about 20 minutes. Then play anything you like.
Guaranteed, you'll be humming Kev's solo all day. That song is just
plain infectious.
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:59:25 +0100
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT ringing melodies
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE5866@LON01XBCAPGE>
Hmmm...My Ericsson's got the riff to 'Back in Black' by AC/DC programmed in,
because I could work it out relatively quickly. Does DT enough pure riffs
to make something catchy on a phone? Especially as you can only have half
and whole notes. Maybe worth a thread though...for us
European/Asian/Australian/Latin American jammers at least. Anyone worked
out something cool?
It's great to see Indonesian and Japanese 'jammers now...any African or
Indian 'jammers out there?
Jonathan
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:18:39 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Comparing LTE to AOI
Message-ID: <v04011701b1ea380042c7@[18.220.0.27]>
Let me start off by saying, if you feel compelled to compare
Liquid Tension Experiment to Age of Impact, you suck.
.. because there is NO way you can rightly do so.
I don't want to go off on a rant here, but...
</rant on>
Think about it -- the albums were written under two totally
different time frames. The guys involved with LTE had
EIGHT DAYS to write and record everything. Trent Gardner
I'm sure had a lot longer than eight days to write the music
for Age of Impact. Thus, the writing for AOI seems more
cohesive, more fine-tuned. Comparing the LTE writing to
AOI's writing is unfair. If you feel the need to compare LTE
to another CD, I suggest comparing it to the Vital Tech
Tones CD, which was written under similar conditions as
LTE. (IMHO, of course, I find both LTE & VTT to be much
more entertaining.)
What's even more disturbing though is that everyone feels
compelled to get involved with threads like:
>>"LTE sucks. The writing was bad. Petrucci rox in AOI."
>"No way man! LTE r00lz!!! AOI sux."
Who gives a rat's ass what another person's opinion is
about an album and why does every feel the need to retort?
It's bullshit threads like that that really piss me off sometimes.
(oh yeah, Mosh, drop the TAMP(on) whining. Go back to the
80s when the demo was written. bwahahahaha)
Honestly, I'm tired of some people on this list taking their
opinions and trying to shove them down others' throats.
If you have an opinion about something - great. If someone
else has a different opinion - let it be. Why waste bandwidth
trying to convince someone you are right? It always seems
that everyone thinks they are right. And it's not like that...
</rant off>
I'm the one who is always right. BWAHAHAHAHA :D
- The Notorious B.O.G.
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:00:41 -0500
From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Time Signatures
Message-ID: <000301bdbe32$43dc5f80$748dfea9@ryan-park>
With all this discussion of time signatures, can someone explain the time
signatures for the intro measures of "The Mirror?" (Both before and after
Mike enters.) I've tried to figure this out exactly, and failed... and I am
fairly familiar with music theory!
Ryan
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:52:01 -0400
From: "Scott Sturdivant" <ckssrs@axiomnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: oopsie
Message-ID: <000501bdbe35$e0b45260$ce596acf@ckssrs.axiomnet.com>
I jumped the gun on calvin and he wrote:
>um, I fail to see the difference between
>1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 AND
>1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1
OOPS. Sorry dude, I was wrong. Hehehe. Thats what happens when you don't
think before you post!
Scott
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:47:20 GMT
From: jogopogo@freemail.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199808021647.QAA01838@freesrv3.freemail.nl>
Hello again from the Lowlands,
My homepage is up and running!
It now includes my own transcription of the basspart in UAGM!!
It's not in real musical notation, as I planned to do, because this way it will also be understandable for people amongst u who can not read regular notation.
I will also put on TAB's for Metropolis, Learning to Live and the Ytsejam, soon.
Please take a visit at http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/Jorrit
These TAB's are not copies of existing ones, but I don't have any doubt that they will be an improvement of the existing material.
I'm still trying to find a suitable way of combining real notation with tab's in the future.
Greet's to all of you (all of me)
Jogo da Pogo
"Virtue constitutes happiness and selfcontrol is the essential part of virtue.">Cynic
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Odd time fun stuff / very important question - right....
Message-ID: <19980802165146.13231.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
Hey, this is Monica, Glen's girfriend.......
Yes Scott, there are DT fans without musical backgrounds.
Glen just played Falling Into Infinity for me one day and I fell in
love with them. After he realized I did REALLY like it, he played the
Liquid Tension Experiment CD and that was it, I was in love! Hahaha....
Why do I love the music?
Because it is complex, fun, deep, suprising, and it just simply ROCKS!
We were at the DT show in FT. Worth at Caravan of Dreams. They were
awesome! Mike got my attention when he first jumped on top of his
cymbal and smiled. He's an ANIMAL! The worst part was battling all
the kiddies to get a great view, which I was quite successful at! We
were to the left of the stage near John Myung and Derek Sherinian.
Not bad for a 34 year old woman..... ! Maybe it was all that
experience I had sneaking around and jumping rails when I was a kid...
just to get a better look (or backstage passes).
As for the attractiveness factor... they seem like pretty average
looking guys to me... so, it's not just cuz they are cute! They just
simply play awesome music! You don't have to be a musician to
appreciate that.
By the way.... thank you all for posting to Glen's DT Sucks post.
He's just fucking with your heads... they are gods to him..... LOL
He's a drummer himself (and a great one I must say), just went to the
Portnoy drum clinic in Dallas, he's a major influence for him.
Well, I guess you all know my opinion now. Not all women are closed
minded and disinterested in great music, even a few of us
blonds....... ;)
P.S. To the guy with the girlfriend in El Paso... it must just be us
Texas women... <G>
==
"Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
centers our perspectives
and passifies our cries."
Lines in the Sand,Dream Theater
g_brooks@yahoo.com,m_930136@hotmail.com
Check out my band's webpage:
http://www.flash.net/~xmittrs
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:54:56 -0500
From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Stratovarius' first cd (NDTC)
Message-ID: <35C499DF.68982FB5@flash.net>
Anyone out there ever heard or has Stratovarius-Fright Night? It's a bit
pricey at $30 (OK, very pricey) and I'm just wondering where it stands
in comaparison to their other cds. Plus, does the Japanese complitaion,
The Past and Now, have any new tracks?
Later, Kevin.
-- ----------------------------------------------------------- Used CDs are always for sale at: http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cds4sale.html Updated regularly! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:59:09 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Time Signatures Message-ID: <35C49ADD.5FCB@rollanet.org>
Ryan Park wrote: > > With all this discussion of time signatures, can someone explain the time > signatures for the intro measures of "The Mirror?" (Both before and after > Mike enters.) I've tried to figure this out exactly, and failed... and I am > fairly familiar with music theory! >
Well, Ryan, the very first piece of noise,(what do you call that sound, technically? I'm a drummer :) Is a 1 count of 4/4, then there is a bar of 4/4 (da-da-da), when the snare and floor toms come in, it's a bar of 3/4, then when the beat starts, it's 12/8(I just play until it hits the slow part, don't really count that :) There ya go, hope it helps!
Tom Cox
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Chicks that dig DT (or something) Message-ID: <19980802171111.2868.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
Hey Al,
Sounds like you two live in the Dallas area.
If so, I just think it's a little ironic that the three that have claimed their GF's like DT are all from Texas... and at least two of the three are over 30.
Oh.. I'd take Glen's DT CD's too.... but I can't pry his fingers off of them.... so I'll just buy my own!
Have a good one! Monica == "Sometimes a view from sinless eyes centers our perspectives and passifies our cries." Lines in the Sand,Dream Theater g_brooks@yahoo.com,m_930136@hotmail.com Check out my band's webpage: http://www.flash.net/~xmittrs _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:26:05 EDT From: FlatYer5s@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4128 Message-ID: <60e1674d.35c4a12e@aol.com>
Calvin6S wrote:
<< um, I fail to see the difference between 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 AND 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 except that the one with the 5 in it doesn't have TWO "one" counts. I prefer to count it with a 5 because when you say "1" you are starting a NEW measure. Either way, both still infer 9/8. >>
I've always found that the best- ie: NOT CONFUSING- way to count odd 8th note time signatures (5/8, 7/8, 9/8, 53/8, etc...) is to place a neutral syllable on the extra half beat. For example, count 7/8 as 1 and 2 and 3 and a, etc. 9/8 would be 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and a, etc. This way, it doesn't appear as if a new bar is beginning on the extra half beat as it may if you counted 7/8 as 1 and 2 and 3 and 4. Hell, it also flows nicely off the tongue, which is the main reason it works.
Odd-times are best learned by counting but you get them ingrained by their SOUND. Count out odd-times all day if you really want to get them down- only when you start to FEEL them will you really be able to nail them without thinking about it.. Start out by by counting them straight and then progress to subdividing the bar in different ways. Do 7/8 as 2+2+3, 3+2+2, etc, ad nauseum. Or don't- just some tips I picked up over the years that seem to work.
<brain DEEP fried now...>
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:05:13 -0800 From: "Justin Cassidy" <cassidy1@ptialaska.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fav. WDADU songs Message-ID: <000b01bdadc8$6e4c4ac0$a67697d0@cassidy1.ptialaska.net>
The Killing Hand Light Fuse and Get Away TOwHtStS or OaMoT (tie)
but WDADu is a great album... not one flawed song. And I like Charlie Dominici... he's got an interesting voice.
Justin Cassidy -NP: Chroma Key: DAFR (AtV)
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 98 21:15:39 +0200 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cool fills (drums) Message-ID: <199808021915.MAA24436@geocities.com>
> ...quite often MP (as demonstrated in his most recent intervew in >Moderm Drummer) breaks up a line of 4/4 into a smaller segments (eg. >3/8, 2/8, 3/8). Since 4/4 is the same as 8/8 or 16/16, then 3/8 + 2/8 + >3/8 = 8/8 = 4/4. A simple yet extremely cool 'trick' which makes for >some cool fills.
Aaargh.. I can't help it, but I feel like screaming.. Why can't any of you just come up with a SONG where he jsut plays those things, prefferably with the exact time and track on the CD, so even I, who somehow have an absolute lack of high-intelligent rythm feel can hear & maybe even understand it??
Haje
____________________________________________________________________ | keyboardist - drummer - student Haje Jan Kamps | songtext writer - martial artist hajejan@geocities.com | Dream Theater fan - visual artist http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje | escaped mental institution client _________________________________|__________________________________ I'm not happy because I smile ----- I am smiling because I'm happy ...Has anyone seen my Chapstick?
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:14:58 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: galleryofshadows@coollist.com, fates@listservant.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I need your HELP ! Message-ID: <35C53942.3941@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi everyone
I need your help in case of Empty Tremor. I know, I write a bit too much about them but please don't flame me.
I've been informed that Rising Sun Records will drope Empty Tremor if nothing happens in terms of sales :-(((((((((((((((((((((
Please help ET and buy "Apocolokyntosys". I think most of you have allready heard some samples or their promo tape. They must sell records for surviving.
THE EYES OF UNIVERSE FAN CLUB WILL MAKE YOU A VERY GOOD OFFER :
YOU CAN ORDER THE CD DIRECTLY FROM US FOR ONLY 18 $ INC POSTAGE AND PACKAGE !
The first 20 people will also get a original autographed ET picture for FREE. BELIVE WE WILL EARN NOTHING. Actually we will pay the package costs by our self. We are really fast and CD's will be shiping just after we recieve the money.
I have heard all the new demos for the next album and they are simply incredible. ActualLy, some of you may heard the sound clip from a new song "Untitled" from our site. Rising Sun Records thinks that the new songs are TOO PROG and not commercial enough ! Can you belive it. It's like Magna Carta with Lemur Voice. If ET will sell more copies of "Apocolokyntosys" than, it's possible that Rising Sun will release ET's 2nd album in 1999. Please help them.
The album is also availible at the following mail orders :
mail order : price :
http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-982175 20 $ + postage http://www.knightsoftheround.com/home.htm 18 $ + postage http://www.Jersey.net/~lasercd/progmetal.htm 16 $ + postage http://www.CDWorld.com ??? http://www.Musicboulevard.com ??? http://www.Cybercd.de ??? http://www.Musicexpress.com ???
You can always hear some samples of APOCOLOKYNTOSYS on our Fan Club site.
Once again, I would like to thank you for your help and support in advance. If you have any question please email me privatly. Thanks.
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:20:29 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush live 3 CD info Message-ID: <35C53A8D.874@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Here some info I've got about the Rush 3 live CD set :
Disc 1 and 2 will contain material from "Counterparts" and "Test For The Echo" tour.
The 3rd disc will be a bonus CD (a kind of "thank you gift" for fans) and will contain songs from the concert in UK (London/Hammersmith Odeon) during the "Farwell To The Kings" tour in 1978.
Before you ask, I have this information from the Rock Hard magazin (Germany)
NP : Symphony X - The Divine Wings Of ... (The Acollade kicks ass)
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:44:52 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: satch!!! bad producer bad... Message-ID: <199808021944.OAA29092@mail.busprod.com>
>That is because this is an incorrect belief, Stodge. :) The correct answer >is "Flying in a Blue Dream" with "Crystal Planet" being right behind it. I >would put "Joe Satriani" just above "Not of This Earth", which makes it the >second worst-sounding Satch album. And "Not of This Earth" can be excused >for sounding raw; it was Joe's first album and released in '86. "Joe >Satriani" came out three short years ago, and I *still* think there is no >excuse for what Glyn Johns did to Satch's trademark sound.
ack... gag... bleaAAKKK!!!!!
you're kidding right? gotta be.... like the guy saying Petrucci sucks right?
self titled.. got it, loved it.. fell right into a gorgeous sound that enveloped me and entranced me like almost no other album has... I was in bliss I tell ya!!! SATCH!!!
Crystal Planet... bought it brought it home.. listened to it and had violent tendencies to strangle Mike Fraser the producer and to physically hurl the disc against the wall!!! I think I even hear CLIPPING on the guitar sound!! FUCK! I can produce a better album on my crappy equipment... I wont even mention the flat as a pancake drumming... no way.. not a peep from me about that tragedy of sound mutilation... bring back Manu from the love of god!!!
bruce forst bforst@busprod.com
NP: crystal planet (i'm cringing as I write this)
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:49:22 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4128 Message-ID: <01bdbe57$0716aa40$498535d4@schnipp>
Hi, now that I watched it, I 'll give a few comments on the APSoG live video. It's about 55 min long and has good close-up's of the band but only few audience shots (you hear the audience only rarely, too). Between the 'parts' are small real video sections done by the bassist. I'd say sound and performance are ok, but peronally I don't like it that much. I'd hoped there'd be more on it, not just the PS'soG. For a fan though, of high value.
Cool somebody mentionet the Satriani-Satriani album, because I bought put it on the phones and thought, Christ, you can HEAR everything. From where in the room anybody breathes. It sounds real natural.
schnipp
I think it's time for a change..... TTT,DT and my CD plays what I want and I'll tell this whomsoever I want. Bottom line! actually the mail address is Schnipp@vossnet.de or Schnipp@bigfoot.com
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