YTSEJAM Digest 4128
Today's Topics:
1) The Producers (Mel Brooks anyone?)
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
2) Cd Reviews
by "Pico" <pico@writeme.com>
3) Re: I'm a woman's man, no time to talk...
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
4) Favorite WDADU song
by "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com>
5) Shirleyhole
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: Time Sigs
by Calvin6S@aol.com
7) Re:Chicks that dig DT (or something)
by AL <al@isd.net>
8) Metropolis II or Empty Tremor Demo ???
by Marco Petrini <mpetrini@tin.it>
9) Re: Shirleyhole
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
10) time sigs
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
11) Non-musicians
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
12) Re: MY Girlfriend
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
13) Re: DT Sucks?
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
14) Re: Favorite on WDADU?
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
15) Re: Favorite on WDADU?
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
16) Re:NO musical background
by AL <al@isd.net>
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:29:03 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Producers (Mel Brooks anyone?)
Message-ID: <19980802042621.CEVF11071@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey all,
I forgot to mention before, but someone got the ten points for naming
Jackie Brown and Out of Sight as the two outstanding Elmore Leonard movies
this year. I highly recommend his writings. I'm on my fifth book of his in
two weeks.
On album production:
>Honerable mentions: KC - Thrak, Tool - Aenima, DMB -Crash,
>Rush - Couterparts, and some others....
I agree wholeheartedly with Aenima. Odd that the production is so
remarkable since it is such a dissonant album. As for Crash, I was a Steve
Lillywhite fan from when he was working with David Byrne. I loved Crash,
but the new DMB is too much. The layering and over-instrumentation is
pretty annoying. Also, I disagree on Counterparts. Too often, Alex gets
lost in the shuffle (like any recent Rush album). My favorite production
jobs? Glad you asked! This doesn't include any jazz...
1. Joe Satriani - eponymous
2. David Byrne - Rei Momo
3. Megadeth - Youthanasia
4. Queensryche - Promised Land
5. Chris Isaak - Forever Blue
6. Yes - Talk
7. Collective Soul - eponymous
8. Cheap Trick - Lap of Luxury
9. Peter Gabriel - Us
10. Enya - Shepherd Moons
This is an off-hand recollection of memorable music production; I didn't
plan it to be a ten-best list. In many cases (Satch, Byrne), each
instrument is so crisp and recognizable that you can concentrate on
different instruments with each listen. In some cases (Yes and Cheap Trick
especially), it is the result of a band and producer sounding like they
clicked so incredibly all at one time. Granted, with Yes, the producer was
IN the band. And with "Us" and "Promised Land", the mix is so subtle and
involving that you become consumed by the music.
My honorable mention would be Extreme's Punchline. And Weird Al's In
3-D... Heheh...
Stodgers
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:41:55 -0500
From: "Pico" <pico@writeme.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Cd Reviews
Message-ID: <006a01bdbdcf$e6342960$3a02f8cf@spike>
Greetings Fellow Ystejammers!!!
I'm finally back from my vacation! I left for 3 straight weeks to goof off
out in South Padre Island, not a very productive period of time except in
that I've got new CD's which I will review right now: (prices don't include
shipping and handling or taxes)
-THE (in)famous Liquid Tension Experiment: It's finally mine! I must point
out that no one in this list has been able to fully exemplify the tremendous
excellence of this piece of work. I found it too amazing to describe, the
music is just unreal. For this, obviously the musicians deserve more than
just a fair review.
I give this cd a perfect 10/10. This was bought in cd now for $11.49,
service was fast.
My picks (in order): Universal Mind, Paradigm Shift, Three Minute Warning.
-Superior, Behind: Also one of the cd's I had been wanting for a loooong
time, what tipped me off was Pellaz's opinion on this cd, cuz I figured 'if
his favorite cd is I&W, and he LOVED Behind, I oughta check it out too' and
after HARD work in finding a few samples I decided to go for it, only to be
astonished as how much good music can fit in a single cd...
This cd gets a deserved 10/10. It was bought in knightsoftheround.com for
$13.99, service was great (but my jewel case arrived smashed in the mail,
though) Thanx, Bernd.
My picks: Tainted Silence, Why, Dreamtime.
-Dave Matthews Band, Before These Crowded Streets: Some very intelligent
person recommended this band a few dispatches ago, and I think I will second
him... I had already heard about 'THE good musicians from MTV' because their
last record was excellent. For this you will not be disappointed, this is
an amazing cd musically, the guys can *play*, (violins, sax, guitar, nice
percussions), its not exactly prog but more like rock, jazz... It really
kicks ass, you should get this if you like even a little bit what you may
have heard of them on the radio; I was very pleased of how this cd turned
out.
I give it a 9/10 (and just because I only give 10's to the best of the
best). Bought manually in Target for 13.99.
My picks: Rapunzel, Spoon, Crush.
-Devil Doll, Dies Irae: This has got to be one of the strangest kinds of
music I have heard in my life, its something like symphonic orchestra and
opera meets progressive avant garde classical (or something). It's really
intense work, it includes
very complex lyrics and arrangements. But don't get me wrong, this cd is a
dick... If I can I'll leave a few mp3 in mosh's for you to sample this
exquisite music.
10/10 (What did I tell you?). I found this at cranium records
(www.cranium.co.nz) for $17.00.
My picks: (This is one continuous 45 min symphony split into 16 tracks).
-Van Halen, III: Ok, this isn't prog (you'll say) but I still will mention
it because I bought it and it deserves to be mentioned (as a warning maybe)
because I happened to think this cd is one of the most mediocre VH has ever
done... I really dig Gary's singing (specially back from Extreme) and
Eddie's playing, however, I wouldn't really recommend this cd at all, some
of the songs simply suck.
5/10. I bought this in Target for 14.99 (Damn!)
My pick: Without you.
-Deep Purple, Abandon: A few months back I had the pleasure to assist to one
of the concerts these guys were giving when they landed on Monterrey (only
problem: no DT :( damn) I found out they had excellent to perfect music for
I hadn't really listened to many of their songs... You could have thought
their music was DT's (only not), they're a clear influence to our guys.
Steve plays the guitar *just like* Petrucci and John's keyboards are what
makes a difference between long songs and prog. Great job, this cd is a
must-have.
I give it a 9/10. This was bought in cdnow for $13.42.
My picks: Any!
I guess that's it, the rest are regular so just keep on posting...
Salutes,
Alejandro Paredes
seedrop@usa.net
uin. 4187487
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:19:47 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: I'm a woman's man, no time to talk...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980801211947.007ba100@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Im not sure where can you fin it on stores, i think you wont find it
there...I have a crappy copy of it on tape...there should be better
ones...it's not a joke, it was supposed to be on "Confessions" but Ozzy's
record label didnt want him to release it.
At 07:09 AM 11/07/98 -0700, Andrew Forcier wrote:
>
>Hello,
> Alan Adler said about that Stayin' Alive cover:
>>well, I think you really didnt read my complete sig, check my site...
>
>Heh... We aren't all blessed with modern technology. My lovely 486 with no
>sound card? I meant where can I find a recording of this, i.e. cassette, CD
>or is this just someone's idea of a joke?
> For the last time: EVERYONE PLEASE TURN OFF THE HTML!!! Sheez... What does
>it take?
>
>Andrew
>
>
--- MP3 of the week - "That's What I'm Talking About" By Lisa Loeb, Dweezil and Ahmet Zappa http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 22:58:50 PDT From: "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Favorite WDADU song Message-ID: <19980802055851.11978.qmail@hotmail.com>
Thought about during a short jaunt into hell (Wal-Mart) . . .
My favorite WDADU song . . . Ystejam and Status Seeker
Ytsejam because it's a hella intense insturmental with so much feeling.
Status Seeker because it strikes a chord within me. I'm not really sure why, but it always does. And the lines "Are you sanctified in your judgement of me? All that I deserve is what you aren't able to see." affect me deepest. There are so many people who I'd love to play this song for I'd be dead before I hit the bottom of the list.
That's my $.02 worth.
Brought to you by the letters "PhD" and the number "42"
Steven G. Dob - Wolf in absentia
"Sieze the day and don't you cry Now it's time to say good-bye Even thought I'll be gone I will live on"
A Change of Seasons . . . 'Nuff said
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:13:01 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shirleyhole Message-ID: <199808020713.AAA22473@gms.gmsnet.com>
Let's make this clear... Shirley is a good producer when it comes to in- the-mix... but I think the choice of him suggesting to the band to put the buttered-sting-wanna be version of TAMP on the album sucks.. You may think it's a nice, fluffy song, but it isn't, it's contrived and more cliche than calling the demo a cliche'd power ballad, I'll take the metal over the fluff, thank you...
-The Doc
-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 05:21:55 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Time Sigs Message-ID: <6d6f7cc1.35c42fb4@aol.com>
Scott Sturdivant called me out with: > Sorry to nitpick calvin, but when you wrote this: >> "It's 4/4 with an extra eighth note tacked on". In other words: >> 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 > >you were wrong. Hehehe. You added 1.5 beats instead of .5. The correct >way would be counted allowed like this: >1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 1
um, I fail to see the difference between 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 AND 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 1
except that the one with the 5 in it doesn't have TWO "one" counts. I prefer to count it with a 5 because when you say "1" you are starting a NEW measure. Either way, both still infer 9/8.
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:38:08 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Chicks that dig DT (or something) Message-ID: <35C43380.B0C1DC2D@isd.net>
Glen Brooks wrote: >Does anyone except me know what it is like to have your girfriend like >DT? She actually went to a concert with me back in May. >She thinks Mike Porntoy is an animal...and he is. >Who else shares in my experience?
My Wife devotes entire weekends to listening to DT. When I first introduced I&W to her, she was a little confused by the music. As far as the vocals go... she was already a Queensryche fan, so the vocals were a pleasure. After a month, she was hooked. When Awake came out, I had to fight to get the CD out of the house, all I wanted to do is go play it in the car. Awake is her all time favorite. She will be attending her 3rd DT concert on Aug 23rd. (and she bought the tix) Now here is the weird part... She's 37! She is the assistant director of the dietary dept. at St. Paul's largest hospital & level 1 trauma center. Plus, she teaches Sunday school at a Lutheran church! Not your typical DT fan, huh?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:43:56 +0200 From: Marco Petrini <mpetrini@tin.it> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Metropolis II or Empty Tremor Demo ??? Message-ID: <35C442EC.E39198D7@tin.it>
I spoken with the keyboardist of Empty Tremor yesterday night, he said that the Metropolis II spot that was publicized in this mailing list some days ago is an Emptry Tremor song from the incoming album
Marco
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e.mail: mpetrini@tin.it petrus@ben.linknet.it
home page : http://ben.linknet.it/~petrus
Italian Dreamers : http://www.dreamtheater.net/italy
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 03:09:34 -0700 From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shirleyhole Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980802030924.007532b0@pop3.concentric.net>
>-The Doc > >-- >L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> >"The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - >Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST
/me sits and watches to see how many times Dr. Mosh will post with a messed up quote in his sig. *yawn* :)
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:56:19 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: time sigs Message-ID: <35C437C3.5C219BC8@winshop.com.au>
Trevin wrote:
> One of the COOLEST things MP does, and unfortunately I can think of > none off the top of my head....
I've got one!
...quite often MP (as demonstrated in his most recent intervew in Moderm Drummer) breaks up a line of 4/4 into a smaller segments (eg. 3/8, 2/8, 3/8). Since 4/4 is the same as 8/8 or 16/16, then 3/8 + 2/8 + 3/8 = 8/8 = 4/4. A simple yet extremely cool 'trick' which makes for some cool fills.
Then, Ernesto wrote:
> Bozzio is on a level that few have reached. (Not even Portnoy, i'm > sorry to say, but I'm sure Mike would be the first to agree here). > Bozzio equals would include guys like Vinnie Colaiuta and Dave > Weckl...actually i'm not so sure about Weckl, because I've never heard > him, but from what ppl have told me...
Add Virgil Donati to that group. I just witnessed his incredible, unhindered talents at one of his clinics today - he's a fucken monster. I believed that he was playing in the Australia DT cover band, Theater Of Dreams, when MP was down here to do his drum clinics (and even MP commented on how awesome Virgil was) - so believe the hype cause he *is* that good.
Unfortunately most of the 'well known' bands (Southern Sons and now Tina Arena) he has toured with haven't really allowed much 'creative freedom' for him to really unleash his potential. I suppose that's why they have clinics....
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 98 14:04:26 +0200 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Non-musicians Message-ID: <199808021204.FAA07161@geocities.com>
Scott slammed his head into his keyboard, and somehow, this came up on his screen: >This makes me quite curious, how >many people out there have NO musical background? And what is your absolute >favorite thing about DT? Catchy song righting? Their guitarist is cute? >Anything. I want to hear it. Thanks, I'm done for the night.
Well.. I'm not sure what you mean with no musical background. I've never studied any music, but I jsut pick around on the guitar every once in a blue moon (That is, since 2 months ago) I spent hours and hours trying to figure out the intro for ACOS; before I realized the damn thing is played on a 7 string.
I've played keyboards since '91, but I still suck, and I can't play anything that is not sheet music (Hell.. I can't even play that!)
And I've been playing drums for a while. I'm proud to say that I can play 3/4 and 4/4. But except from that.. NO FRIGGIN' WAY!!
So what do I like about DT? The same thing that makes me like icecream and sex. IT MAKES YOU FEEL SO GOOD when you listen to it (well.. I do'nt listen to sex or icecream, but you get my point)
Haje Jan
____________________________________________________________________ | keyboardist - drummer - student Haje Jan Kamps | songtext writer - martial artist hajejan@geocities.com | Dream Theater fan - visual artist http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje | escaped mental institution client _________________________________|__________________________________ I'm not happy because I smile ----- I am smiling because I'm happy ...Has anyone seen my Chapstick?
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:22:38 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MY Girlfriend Message-ID: <v01510101b1e9ec5f0289@[194.7.231.81]>
>Does anyone except me know what it is like to have your girfriend like >DT? She actually went to a concert with me back in May. >She thinks Mike Porntoy is an animal...and he is.
She probably also likes DS, which is why you probably think the rest of the band sucks !
FiveNgroK
CP: Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:22:37 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Sucks? Message-ID: <v01510100b1e9e97853fd@[194.7.231.81]>
>Hey everybody, >I just wanted to say a few things about OFB...Dream Theater.... > >John Petrucci....great guy, great player....but he suck as a guitar >player.
Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm confused here. Can someone say "split personality"? I mean, if JP sucks as a guitar player, how can he still be a great player? Maybe Glen saw him play with his weenie?
>John Myung.......quiet guy, great player....but he sucks as a bass >player..he's a typical bass player.
Same here. Yeah, typical bass-players can tap and do solo's and shit, right!
>James Labrie....great guy, dope head........but he sucks as a >vocalist...Mary Jane don't help that singing voice.
Mary Jane has nothing to do with this. So what if the guy's a dope head. Besides, if it's really the MJ thing you're worried about, get KJLB to go into drug-rehab, start a petition or something, otherwise shut the fuck up!
>Derek Sherinian...great guy, GREAT PLAYER....if DT hadn't asked him to >come into the band they would probably have disbanded...he really adds >a lot to the band.
Yes, he does, though personally I think KevMo's technique is more advanced. But hey, he left, and DS does do a pretty damn good job replacing him.
>Mike Portnoy...GREAT GUY, GREAY PLAYER...all round awesome >dude...without him..there is no DT.
Hmm, maybe DT should do a drum 'n' keys only album just for this guy :-)
>What do y'all think?
Honestly, I think you're full of shit !!! (IMO)
>Glen > >P.S. I love DT!!!
No, you don't. You like MP and DS, you think the rest of the band sucks! You said so yourself. Fuck you!
FiveNgroK
CP: Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity (You know, the band that sucks, except for the drummer and keyboardist)
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:22:40 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Favorite on WDADU? Message-ID: <v01510102b1e9ede75eb8@[194.7.231.81]>
>Well, > >I was wondering, what is everyone's favorite song on WDADU? It doesn't >necessarily have to be off the album, (so with either Charlie or James >singing)... >
Definitely TOWHTSTS (that's The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun for those who didn't get that the first time). The keyboard intro still send shivers up my spine! The Killing Hand is a close second.
FiveNgroK
CP: Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:12:55 EDT From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Favorite on WDADU? Message-ID: <5ae4af2b.35c465d8@aol.com>
Its not a bad album or anything but charlies voice still seems kinda weird to me (dont really listen to it that often) but my fav has been and always will be... YTSEJAM :} of course. when i was over my ex's house and first saw live in japan where he does the drum solo, i was hooked. since absolutely none of you give a rats ass about this, i will go back into lurk mode now... oh yeah, please excuse the spelling but it was against my will that i was awoken so damned early. :}
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html A great many people mistake opinions for thoughts. -Herbert Prochnow
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 06:03:05 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:NO musical background Message-ID: <35C44769.50BF5F25@isd.net>
Scott wrote: >How many people out there have NO musical background? And what is >your absolute favorite thing about DT? Catchy song righting? Their guitarist >is cute? I only goofed around with a few instruments as a kid, so by no means am I a musician. The first thing that hooked me was the vocals... After that, well... everything. I take great enjoyment concentrating on each instrument independently, then as a whole. For me, Dream Theater is a DRUG!
I grew up listening to YES, on headphones, with out no outside interference. Can you say "focused?" I knew you could. YES taught me to look at music in a different light, and to examine it much deeper than the average bear. When music went stagnant for me during the 80s, and I began to loose interest in 99% of the new music (other than Queensryche & Rush) I guess the discovering of DT for me, was the rediscovering of music. Thanks to the jam I have discovered many other bands I really enjoy. (Fates, Vanden Plas, Symphony X, LTE, and so on) So there you have it. Oh.... What do I like the most? The entire package! -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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