YTSEJAM Digest 4136
Today's Topics:
1) a trip to Albany
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
2) Conception's 'Flow'
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
3) Just a quick note....
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
4) Re: various ramblings.....
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
5) Re: NEW PETRUCCI SITE !!
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
6) Cool!
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
7) Pain of Salvation / Sound clips
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
8) Chaos Theory Demos (The Old Dali's Dilemma Demos)
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
9) Re: Various stuff
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
10) Re: All keyboard players blow dick!!! :)
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
11) Attention, Brazilian fans
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
12) Re: Cool!
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
13) someone else?
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
14) New Hollow Years single?
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
15) Re: [re: All keyboard players blow dick!!!]
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: Derek / Sym. X / a tad bit of *etallica
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
17) Re: Just a quick note....
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
18) Girls and DT
by "Erin Luken" <erinluken@mailcity.com>
19) just heard an ad for DT/DP on Q104.3!
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
20) Re: flight of the bumblebee
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: a trip to Albany
Message-ID: <19980804173618.14124.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
Hey guys I am taking a vacation to Albany New York with a friend. I
was wondering if there's any cool Prog Stores that sell any DT stuff.
Or any cool music stores in general. Also are there any shows going
on? I'll be there from Aug 6, to Aug 11.
email me so we don't waist space on the Jam.
==
John
Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying. DT
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:40:33 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Conception's 'Flow'
Message-ID: <199808041811.NAA22736@indy3.indy.net>
Yes, I'm late to the Conception party, and they've apparently packed up all
their shit and left prior to my arrival (i.e. broke up). I got 'Flow'
along with AoI from CDNow (both for $20.96!!!!!!).
Anyway, I know it's been said here before time and again, but this is a
really great album if you're looking for a) almost unbelievable production
- seriously, does it get any better than this? and b) fairly straight-ahead
stuff with a slightly 'techno' feel. But it's still metal, no question. I
love stuff that's really synth-heavy, but for the effects and textures, not
necessarily for the traditional 'keyboard' playing. They add a real
thickness to the sound that gives it a very tactile feel - lots of
separation. I talked with Matt Guillory about this once, and he seems to
really excel at both.
Oh yeah, I second every good thing that's been said about Ray Kahn as well.
He reminds me a lot of Geoff Tate, with the exception that Kahn is never
tempted to wander outside his range.
Don't know about their earlier stuff though - the thought around here seems
to be that it's not really like 'Flow' - much more in the neo-classical
vein.
Mike Patrick
Indianapolis, IN
mepatric@indy.net
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:18:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Just a quick note....
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980804141236.18171C-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
...on this whole derek/kevin thing.
Kevin is, or was, a progressive keyboardist. his styles were
reminicant (sp) of the Emersons, the Wankmans (heehee!), etc. Even moreso
now, Chroma Key shows how progressive, in the true definition of
progressive, Kevin is.
Derek is a rock keyboardist. He has, for all intents and
purposes, 1 keyboard solo on FII (BMS), and 1 almost solo (PS). His
pop-influence certainly has had an effect on the band, both in the studio
and live as well. Not that this is necessarily bad thing, but it comes
with the territory.
Personally, I'm not as much anti-derek as I am pro-kevin. they
both have *very* different styles. The fact that Derek can (almost) play
everything Kevin wrote gives us some idea on the lenghts Derek went to -
to be faithfull to the originals (Ytsejam notwithstanding) - but at the
same time, the keyboard leads that are so obvious on Awake (6:00, for
example) and I&W (Take The Time) are lacking on FII. I'd like to see
Derek, if this is even possible, take a real upfront stance on the next
album. More keybord orientated tunes rather than pop, piano tunes (Anna
Lee). It'll be interesting to see if Derek can pull a song like "Only A
Matter Of Time" or a "Lie" out of his hat.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:04:08 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: various ramblings.....
Message-ID: <v01510101b1ecf25fffcc@[194.7.226.59]>
On last night's overpaid episode of the Ytsejam,
KorgX3 threw a stack of dollar bills in the ring and said:
>And why don't you have AOI yet? :) Get it, NOW! Best album of the year so
>far, IMO.
>--KorgX3
Does the term "So much to buy, so little to buy it with" mean anything to you?
:-)
FiveNgroK
CP: Magellan - Test of Wills
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:04:06 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NEW PETRUCCI SITE !!
Message-ID: <v01510100b1ecf19ed246@[194.7.226.59]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam,
David Van Glabeke wrote:
>Hey guys,check out my site about John Petrucci :
>
>www.users.skynet.be/JohnPetrucci/index.html
>I've made an mp3 of John Playing THE FLIGHT OF THE BUMBLEBEE !!
Welkom, Belgische broeder.
O, ja, =E9=E9n dingetje: zet die HTML af als je post, aub. Deze jongens
hebben nogal schietgrage vingertjes op hun vlammenwerpers, als je begrijpt
wat ik bedoel.
=46or all you non-belgians: that means welcome, belgian brother.
And I thought I was the only belgian jammer on this list. Huh! Fooled
myself, didn't I?
=46iveNgroK
CP: Magellan - Test of Wills
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 22:02:02 +0200
From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Cool!
Message-ID: <199808042001.NAA02565@geocities.com>
I just realized something!
Someone that my dad works with, has a wife, whose sister-in-law's
daughter's friend's teacher lives in the same flat as someone who has an
uncle, whose neighbor's pool is made my a firm that has an office in the
same building as the ex-wife of a producer that has absolutely nothing to
do with Dream Theater..
Pretty cool, huh?
Haje Jan
(okay.. So i'm insane)
____________________________________________________________________
| keyboardist - drummer - student
Haje Jan Kamps | songtext writer - martial artist
hajejan@geocities.com | Dream Theater fan - visual artist
http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje | escaped mental institution client
_________________________________|__________________________________
I'm not happy because I smile ----- I am smiling because I'm happy
...Has anyone seen my Chapstick?
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:25:32 +0200
From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pain of Salvation / Sound clips
Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980804212532.24c73fc4@pop.gmx.net>
Can you guys tell me anything about Pain of Salvation and their album
"Entropia" and point me to sound clips of their music? I've read several
good reviews and the band seems intriguing.
Also, can someone point me to sound clips of Angra, Payne's Gray, or
Stratovarius?
Thanks.
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| Totikus totikus@gmx.net |
| A Fortune In Midis - The Dream Theater Midi Page |
| http://members.xoom.com/totikus/ |
| "Hope leads to quiet desperation |
| When reality obscures the dream |
| Makes the mind a grave of memories |
| That wander like the lonely breeze..." |
| Fates Warning, "The Ivory Gate of Dreams" |
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:14:26 +0100
From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Chaos Theory Demos (The Old Dali's Dilemma Demos)
Message-ID: <01bdbfe4$7a4f2da0$LocalHost@elydian>
I received a bit of interest in the samples of these, that I have, and
have just uploaded them. You can get to them by going to the RMB pages from
the URL in my sig.
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ==========================================------------------------------
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:36:32 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Various stuff Message-ID: <v01510103b1ed1ab178d5@[194.7.226.221]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Joe DeAngelo, after sacrificing a live goat, wrote (in blood, me guesses):
>They didn't go "Devil music" did they? I'm just asking 'cause >(obviously) the title of the last album, and then there's a bigass >upside down pentagram w/ the goat head thing inside on the cover. Just >curious. >(/me tries to avoid devil music) :-)
Uhm, can you get more obvious? Please, give me a break!
FiveNgroK
CP: The Quest - "Change"
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:36:38 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: All keyboard players blow dick!!! :) Message-ID: <v01510104b1ed1fa0a19f@[194.7.226.221]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Damon Fibraio joined the cartoon parade and wrote:
>was a great replacement. Although, I would love to hear tapes of the one >show Jordan Rudess did with DT. Must've been orgasmic.
Me thinks the same thing. But hey, Jordan Rudess is the higher being to me. He has such technical ability coupled with very emotional playing, the man sends shivers up my spine everytime I hear him play. Spooky.
FiveNgroK
CP: The Quest - "Change"
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:37:03 -0400 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Attention, Brazilian fans Message-ID: </73x1MlyZ8+P092yn@ime.usp.br>
Hi there. Well, just wanted to let you know that I discovered a new store here in Sao Paulo that is specialized in progressive rock, new age, blues and some guitar stuff. The owner is Helton and, besides being very cool, he knows a lot about the stuff he sells, mostly because he is a fan of prog music in general. The place's got some rare stuff (like PFM, Grandbell, Quaterna Requiem) and some popular releases too (Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Dream Theater, ELP, Bozio/Levin/Stevens etc). And he's got even some heavy metal stuff too. BTW, he has some bootlegs there (I remember that I saw a 2CD set of one of Yngwie Malmsteen's shows). The address is: R. Augusta, 1273 -- Box 35. It's very close to the Consolacao subway station. I have nothing with this place besides being a very satisfied customer.
Oh, his e-mail is: <hbmusic@sti.com.br>. I don't know if he accepts orders by e-mail, but hey, just try and see. Just thought you might like to know of a place that sells some hard-to-find music.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:39:28 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Cool! Message-ID: <v01510105b1ed21b61f11@[194.7.226.221]>
>I just realized something! > >Someone that my dad works with, has a wife, whose sister-in-law's >daughter's friend's teacher lives in the same flat as someone who has an >uncle, whose neighbor's pool is made my a firm that has an office in the >same building as the ex-wife of a producer that has absolutely nothing to >do with Dream Theater..
Stop smoking that shit man, you'll fry your brains !
FiveNgroK
CP: The Quest - "Change"
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:19:12 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: someone else? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980804171912.007ad420@pop3.afn.org>
I'm glad someone mentioned Queensyrche's "Someone Else?" That's a moving song. I've been getting into it a lot lately and I'm wondering, does anyone out there have an mp3 or real audio of the full band version? There was a file going around about a year ago, but I didn't have my computer then.
- Milluminati Psycho. <*> Kervorkian Won't Return My Calls. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:20 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Hollow Years single? Message-ID: <199808042122.OAA23735@baygate.bayarea.net>
I unsubscribed from the ytsejam for about a week and a half in the middle of July, so if this information was posted during that time, I apologize for repeating old news. Otherwise, I don't believe that the following information has been posted here.
I was looking around at some of the on-line music stores today, and I noticed that Music Boulevard and CDnow each have the German version of the Hollow Years single listed with a new release date. I checked out the description and track listing, and here's what I found:
Description:
INCLUDES LIVE TRACKS FROM THE 1997 USA TOUR. TRACKS: HOLLOW YEARS (RADIO EDIT),HOLLOW YEARS (ORIGINAL VERSION), YOU OR ME (DEMO VERSION), WAY IT USED TO BE, BURNING MY SOUL (LIVE), & ANOTHER HAND/KILLING HAND (LIVE).
Track Listing:
1. Hollow Years (Radio Edit) 2. Hollow Years (Lp Version) 3. You Or Me (You Not Me-Demo version) 4. The Way It Used To Be (Non-album bonus track) 5. Another Hand/The Killing Hand
What is the price, you ask? Only $10.99 at both stores!
Thus, if the description listed above is correct, there is now a German version of the Hollow Years single which is essentially identical to the Japanese version. And of course the best part is that it's 7 to 10 bucks cheaper than the Japanese version!
The only thing that concerns me a bit is that Burning My Soul isn't listed in the track listing, although it is listed in the description. Therefore, it is not clear whether or not BMS is actually on this CD.
Has anyone here ordered this CD? Can anyone confirm the track listing? If it is indeed identical to the Japanese version, then I highly recommend picking up this CD. It's a steal for only $10.99. I paid about $18 for the Japanese version, and I feel that I got my money's worth. The live version of The Killing Hand is extremely cool (quite a bit different from the studio version), and the live BMS is the full original version, with Hell's Kitchen in the middle.
Paul
----------- Paul Humm humm@levy.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: [re: All keyboard players blow dick!!!] Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980804181705.23343J-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Jordan said that to me as well about the k2500, but I just think the k2500 sounds flat. jordan makes it sound good, but in order to do that, you need to dive into the guts of the machine. This is something I am not good at yet and I am intimidated by the k2500. Its presets suck. Organs blow, and guitars are limp. I love my ex5 and when i can afford to, I will ad the Trinity rack to my plate.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek / Sym. X / a tad bit of *etallica Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980804183000.23343L-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, about the derek using guitar sounds for solos thing, so what? I am a keyboard player and I will use guitar sounds and if the rest of you don't like it then fuck off. I think somebody may be getting pissed off that a keyboard doesn't always sound like a keyboard. Look, guys, the sound on the keyboard is similar to a guitar, and if you train yourself, you can distinguish between the two, although when i heard the xmas 2 cd, I was surprised at how much derek uses that guitar sound. It does border on overuse. But for a solo, that shouldn't be anissue. that is like yelling at somebody for using a flute sound. Give me a break. If JP didn't like it, then I would be very disappointed. That borders on insecurity. I think it adds a dual guitars thing that was missing before. Hell, it makes songs sound more ballsy.y
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:42:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Just a quick note.... Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980804184016.23343O-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I totally disagree with Syrinx. I think Derek is capable of this kind of playing. just because he came from an Alice Cooper backing keyboardist background, doesn't mean he can't whip out totally out of control shit. Firstly, there is the intro to New Millennium which is very counterpointed and difficult to play, not the bass part, but the beginning. Then, we got the solo in BMS, the solos in TOT, and JLmB. Then we got lines in the sand. Then wegot the concerts, the fact that this guy comes up with some crazy shit live, even in replacing Kevin's solos. Regardless, he is in a prog band now, and yes, maybe they got a little poppier, but we'll see what happens with Metropolis II. And let's not forget the solo in A Change of Seasons. That is prog from hell. I have yet to hear Kevmo's solo stuff, but I don't think it is proggy, and I doubt there are any solos in it, based on what I have already heard of his stuff.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:45:50 -0700 From: "Erin Luken" <erinluken@mailcity.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Girls and DT Message-ID: <NIEGIIFDCPBHFAAA@mailcity.com>
Hey all you guys...and girls, too! Add me, an Ohio girl, to the list of girls that love DT. I've gotta say that it was my French boyfriend that introduced me to them, though. Actually, that's when we were first fallin' in love(sigh). We went to the DT concert in Bourges, France, and then to the Paris concert. Yup, the 3 1/2 hour one...the one on the new live CD...gotta say that that's the MOST AWESOME concert I've ever been to. I've even got autographs from MP and James!!! I love DT. What else is there to say? The LTE CD is awesome, too. DT just gets better and better each time you hear 'em.... Erin...the Ohio/French DT fan
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:53:22 EDT From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: just heard an ad for DT/DP on Q104.3! Message-ID: <4860bd07.35c790e3@aol.com>
Whoa, my jaw dropped and smacked the keyboard, I was so surprised. Never thought I'd even hear a mention of DT on NY radio. And I went and saw Small Soldiers and in the backround at one point i heard them playing a rush song! Its been just an amazing day! Well, that rocked, and made my day. :}
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:04:00 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: flight of the bumblebee Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980804190400.00799df0@pop3.afn.org>
Enh...it's another shredder playing flight of the bumblebee. Nothing special...BUT! Also on the same page, "Lost Without You." Wow! This is a fucking great tune. Everyone should check out The John Petrucci Page at http://www.users.skynet.be/JohnPetrucci/index.html and go to the Sounds section. The tune is incredible. "Take Away My Pain" (both versions) is cold, but "Lost Without You" is the solo for anguish.
I'm really overwhelmed.
- Milluminati Psycho. <*> Kervorkian Won't Return My Calls. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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