YTSEJAM Digest 4158
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Bullshit on the ytsejam digest
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Re: Korg's Post/UK/FII
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
3) Arman gets an Alan Probe
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) Derek and Kevin, and generalities
by ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
5) Re: KGee, Wallie, I agree with the Ashourihas.Re: YTSEJAM digest 4156
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) re: Empty Tremor free promo tape
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
7) korn
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
8) Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
9) Re: Derek and Kevin, and generalities
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) When Today and James Unite
by "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
11) Re: CDR Question (help needed)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
12) Unofficial Petrucci Page - URL?
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
13) Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
14) Music
by ShadowBor@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:42:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bullshit on the ytsejam digest
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980809134009.24313E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
D. I just want to tell you that your post was kind of counterproductive.
As a man who has been on this list since 1995, I can tell you that
messages like that only seem to fan the flames. I happen to agree with you
about Kevin and Derek, I like them both, and I actually find myself trying
to defend Derek's playing, but not at Kevin's expense. However, it is DT
content, regardelss, although it is getting old. What really confuses me
is that we haven't seen any show reviews, set lists, or anytning. Maybe
none of us are going to the shows yet, or it could be the east coast
slacking off again. :) Just remember in the future, try to avoid messages
like that. Although that donkey-ass motherfucker is a funny line and
should go into the ytsequotes file next to the urethra itching one.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Korg's Post/UK/FII Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980809134538.24313F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, in making a small mix tape last night for a friend, I was listening to the production of all the DT releases, and I want to make a comment on them.
WDADU: possibly the worst DT production, not songwise, but sonically. The drums sound sickly, bathed in reverb and not eq-ed right at all. The bass sounds pretty wicked, though. Everything sounds like it had too many effects on it. And where are the highs? The whole album sounds like it is wrapped in cotton.
IW: If WDADU is 5, IW would have to be at least a 3. What drags this down, productionwise is the drum triggers and the way James voice sometimes cuts out, thanks to what is called a noise gate, which cuts off all noises below a certain volume. The triggers really drag this album down in some places, but oddly enough, in some songs, they fit, like in Another Day. I think there are parts where Kevin's keys are too low, and the bass doesn't stand out much, but it can be heard. I really died like the tone JM had on wdadu in some places.
Awake: Honestly, i give this a 2. It is so damn heavy, but the keys tend to get mashed by the heaviness of the guitars. And I can hear JM, but again his tone is not as ballsy. Kevin was already dismayed with the groups and not doing much, so maybe the keys didn't need to be loud, but on both his solos, in 6:00 and scarred, it sometimes becomes hard to hear what he is doing due to all the distorted sounds. The drums sound great, but maybe there is a little too much reverb on them, if they would've backed it off just a bit they would be perfect.
ACOS: Mike is playing a tin can here. I like it sometimes, but I think he needed a heavier snare sound for this song. Derek is too low in parts, those stupid noise gates are back, and the whole thing sounds too dry now, hardly any effects. The samples are too low in parts. Give it a 4. I sometimes wonder what the song would've sounded like with the triggers on the drums, but then shutter at how many people would flame me if I said that aloud. The covers sound good, though. but, maybe this isn't a production thing, but a Derek thing, what is up with the piano sound? What is there a chorusing effect on his piano? It makes the piano in the Elton John tune sound less authentic. This was early 1995? The Korg 01wfd was out definitely, and I thought Derek used it. Derek, wasn't teh piano in that machine good enough? You could've gotten the Ensoniq TS12, or the Roland keyboards which had a better piano. But, hell, the time has passed, I am just wondering why he chose the Genesis cp70 piano sound.
FII: I give it a 1. Now, Mosh before you get all pissy, I am not talking about what Mr. Sherly did to Tamp. And I know the album is not heavy at all in comparison to Awake, and I really had to sit and think of this for a while. But awake and FII are very close to each other. But honestly, I can't hear a song like NM being Awake-ified. maybe PS, maybe BMS, but not NM. And this kind of album called for song by song mixing. Each song needed its own identity, and the album does this nicely,a although the keys are again too low for my tastes. The drums sound great. JM sounds great, although I am beginning to think at this point that he should change his bass to something like a Rickenbacker bass with more chunk to it, but that is a matter of taste. Imagine DT with the Rush bass sound from Moving Pictures. Wow. Anyway, Derek sounds great here, too, because he is using better keyboards, although I do like what he did with Kevin More's lead sound on some of the Awake live stuff. Derek, whatever you are using for anorgan sound, please divulge the secret, because I have to have it. There are some bugs in FII production, but they are so minor I won'te ven point them out because you probably would miss them. (I am a very picky mix person).
So, there it is. The Damon Fibraio breakdown of Dream Theater production. Notice that I left out the live album, Live at the marqui or the singles. did that on purpose. Hell, maybe this can start a new thread, be my guest and comment on this rating. I thnk for the next album, DT should find somebody who isn't afraid to push the keyboards a little more into the front of the mix. It wouldn't detract from the songs. There are many parts in FII where Derek's levels drop due to him closing the sound up a little and that should've been compensated for, (listen to the ending of his solo in BMS) It may be the difficulty of blending his guitar sounds with JP's. Who knows. If we can safely assume that Kevin Sherly will be mixing the next studio album, maybe somebody can take this suggestion to him. OK, the thoughts are on the table, let's discuss amongst ourselves.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:16:06 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Arman gets an Alan Probe Message-ID: <003601bdc3c1$ca0e9660$180d84d0@korgx3>
>You are not a Progressive Metal fan, you are a Dream Theater fan. >You will buy all their records and will love it only because it's Dream Theater.
Bahahahahah... You're not capable of reproduction, Arman. You're potty thing's too small, shriveled and inadequate. Although I've never met you in real life, never heard you say that, nor ever checked your medical records, I have deduced that entirely upon what you've posted. This is the funniest thing I ever hear. Does everyone on this list have to be a prog metal fan? "How can you not like Kamelot? You're not a true prog-metal fan." There's always some guy with his kingly staff of proglihood beating people over the head for this and that. I always envision these people as the stuck-up Vietnamese officers that capture Rambo and tie him to an electric bed. "You no like Conception?" Bzzzzzz...! AHHHHHHH!!!!
>OH YEAH THAT's CREATIVITY AND EMPTY TREMOR SUCK BECAUSE THEY MAKE PROG AT IT'S BEST !
Bashing Dream Theater openly on what? The Dream Theater mailing list, maybe? is counterproductive to one's health. I know people who would COMPRESS YOU INTO SMALL WAFER THIN COINLIKE PORTIONS OF FLUFFY BREAKFAST MATERIAL, BOYEEEEEEEEE!!! for that.
>I just hope that DT will not end like Queensryche or Metallica.
Let's see, last I knew Metallica is still being carried by a larger fan base than ever, and are doing much better than when they wrote stuff like Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning. Let's see... But then, how can you even mention Metallica? They're not prog, not even their old stuff. You listen to Metallica? You are not a true prog-metal fan!!! Bzzzzzz...! AHHHHHHH!!!!
--KorgX3 thrusts the staff of proglihood up Arman's ass.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:29:20 -0400 From: ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek and Kevin, and generalities Message-ID: <19980809.142921.3582.0.ed_wilk@juno.com>
Okay,
I've been gone for a while, so yeah, I'm late with this. First, I've always been a big Kevin Moore fan, and I don't like Derek Sherinian's playing, on anything I've heard him on. I'll get to that later. One thing that annoys me about this is the people saying, "Just drop it, Derek is with DT now, and Kevin isn't." No shit? Really? Does that mean we can't have a preference now, as to which keyboardist we like better? I know Derek is with DT now, but in no way does that mean I have to like it. I know Kevin isn't coming back, but there are many keyboardists I'd rather have. Now, on to my thoughts of Derek and Kevin.
Kevin is an incredible player, and plays in a more classical style than anything (Yeah, yeah, stating the obvious). He can solo with the best of him, and we can thank him for a lot of DT's best material. One thing I will really miss about his playing, which I don't think we'll see much, if any of, with Derek, is the keyboard\guitar runs that Moore and Petrucci were great at. In my opinion, Kevin's style *was* better suited to Dream Theater's playing. Now it isn't, and they got Derek, I realize that. I'm glad Kevin left, because his style is incompatible with DT's as it stood, but I also think Derek's style clashes with DT pre-Derek. This isn't a keyboardist vs. keyboardist thing, it's the style of one keys player fitting in with the overall style of the group. Yeah, Kevin did have a part in DT, but there are 3 other guys in the band writing music. Besides Kevin's incredible music contributions, he was the best lyricist in DT, hands down. This is something that is sorely missed in DT, as evidenced by FII. FII has some great lyrics- Petrucci did a great job of shouldering the burden of Kevin leaving. He (John) is a great lyricist in his own right, as is Myung- I wish Myung would write more. And now Mike has taken up some of the lyric work (ACOS is incredible.. although I think the song was better when they had the "Please Don't Go!" lyrics), to fill in. However, Kevin continues to be the best lyricist they had. FII had good lyrics, but not close to I&W, Awake, or even WDADU. This is possibly as big a loss to DT as KevMo's music. Now, about Derek. I've heard him live, I've heard him on ACOS, on FII, on Explorer's Club, and on the DTIFC CD #2. From everything I've heard of his, especially track 20 (or 21.. can't remember.. Derek noodling around) on the DTIFC disc, I realize he's a very, very good player, technically. However, I find his work to be incredibly boring. His solo on EC puts me to sleep. On FII, I really don't see anything that he does that impresses me. Yeah, LitS is a great song, it's my favorite on the disc, but to tell you the truth, I really see it as more of a guitar song than a keys song. Yeah, it starts with a keyboard "solo", but the bass and guitar (especially the solo) really make this song; not to mention the lyrics. Then there's the one Dream Theater song I truly dislike- Anna Lee. Yep, LaBrie wrote the lyrics, I realize that.. but the piano playing is just annoying. Whenever I think of Anna Lee, I have to compare it (obviously) to the closest song in terms of it being a "piano song"- Wait for Sleep. I don't think there's any competition here- WFS is just an incredibly haunting song, whereas Anna Lee is your basic pop-ballad. And to wrap this up, I don't think I'll ever hear a "rock" song as beautiful as Eve (non-sample version, thank you) from *anyone*, nevermind Derek. So, there you have it. My thoughts on Kevin and Derek.
Ed-San
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KGee, Wallie, I agree with the Ashourihas.Re: YTSEJAM digest 4156 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980809142605.24313K-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Matt, I never saw a blind person with so much pent up anger. Lay off the coffee, man. And I thought I could flame a whole list. Matt, I give up the title. You win. I bow to the master. That was beautiful. I would shake your hand, but I can't so, I will shake your speech synth or braille display, whichever you are using. You go, man. I am speechless. by the way, what are you using to build a web site? And email me privately and let me know what speech software you ae using again, if you are using speech? I am curious to know how it is you are building a web site and I haven't done it yet. And to the rest of you thinking of flaming Matt back, I wouldn't do that. He is apparently on the Trent Resner diet. Steer clear, he may get in his car and drive over to kick your ass. And the worst thing you can ever do is make a blind person drive.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:32:59 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Empty Tremor free promo tape Message-ID: <1998891426816334@ix.netcom.com>
ok, first off, DT did NOT sell out with FII. If they had, the songs would be 3 minutes long and be happy sounding shit. To say that FII is not complicated is insane. I want to see you and a keyboardist try to pull off the interplay in Just Let Me Breathe. if LitS and HK are not complicated, I dont know what is. Just cause its toned down a bit does not mean the songs arent good. I want you to listen to some Floyd and tell me they arent any good. Theres probably the LEAST complicated prog band. This album was the first DT album I ever baught, and I thought it was great. Of course its not as good as I&W, but the production is a lot better. The songs don't have the redundency that I&W and Awake tended to have. Personally, I think the best sounding DT albums (putting aside musical, I'm talking about production) are ACOS and FII. Maybe because ACOS didnt have enough songs to sound redundant. And its true, the songs are different, yet production wise, all sound the same. Perhaps it was the "conveyor belt method" I heard they used. But, I must say that FII has the best production out of any DT album so far. And jeez, they tone down a tad and everyone gets afraid that they are selling out. The way FII is is probably equal to any other prog band now. And RUSH IS NOT FUCKING ALTURNATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although I must also point out that I am a little dissapointed now with ToT's "instrumental break." Its a solo break really. Sounds like what Floyd would call and instrumental break. Anyway, I'm rambling now, but IMO, FII is no less progressive than, say Genesis' Selling England By the Pound. Theres an album that had the poppy stuff (I know what I Like, More Fool Me), but also had the prog stuff (Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, Cinima SHow, Battle of Epping Forest). 4 out of 11 songs are not prog and everyone flips out :-P FII ROCKS!
Matt
+-----------------------------------+ | "A daily dose of eMpTyV | | will flush your mind | | right down the drain." | | | | - Mike Portnoy | +-----------------------------------+
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:27:32 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: korn Message-ID: <01bdc3c3$5fb246c0$b622c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
>The first 12 tracks on Korn's Follow the Leader, >due Aug. 18, are blank; the album begins with track 13. >"It was just a wacky thing that we wanted to do," explains >guitarist James "Munky" Shaffer.
Well, well, how typical. Instead of putting in real music, they can do technical stunts to make the album seem cooler than it really is. "Hey, the music sucks, but did you see what they did with the tracks?" "Cool, I have to buy it too!"
I hope music rises out of the depths it's in now....
Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com Subdivisions (Rush): http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "A man got a right to wonder A man got a right to dream Without looking over his shoulder To choose the manner of the life he leads One man's thoughts on another man's skin We are lover, warrior, magician kings." -Fish
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:38:22 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980809153712.30792A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> Arman Ashouriha wrote: > > At least yours wasnt TOTALLY BLANK! like mine was ! > Ive yet to find a piece of that tape with music in it.... anyways its > funny how Arash turned against Dt the minute you criticized the quality > on the empty tremor cassette..
No, that wasn't Arash. But then, again, you can see a pattern in the Ashouriha family members. :-)
Yes, these are almost going to my procmail. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek and Kevin, and generalities Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980809143810.24313N-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
In your message, you satet that there will be no more keyboard-guitar simultaneous runs like there were when Kevin was in the band I point you to Just let me Breathe for one, and there were some parts on ACOS, yeah written probably the the pre-derek DT, but still Derek has done it. There are Derek-JP runs in the kevin songs, so it isn't like Derek can't do it. New Millennium has a combination Derek-JP moment. And you are missing something else. The way Derek and MP interact, listen to the middle of LITS. Many fills are simultaneous piano and drums. this was done in ACOs, too. I would urge you to go back and listent o this stuff again. Anna lee may be a pop song, but so what? Don't compare WFS and AL, they are not even in the same category. And as many have said, I think we will spooge in our collective pants when Met II comes out.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:51:59 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: When Today and James Unite Message-ID: <0c1915047180988UPIMSSMTPUSR05@email.msn.com>
It's a bootleg, with the following tracks:
When Dream and James Unite - Mortville Music LI 04/05 (USA) audience and radio recordings
Disk1 (71 mins) A Fortune in Lies Status Seeker Ytsejam The Killing Hand Light Fuse and Get Away Afterlife The ones who help to set the sun Only a matter of Time To Live Forever
Disk2 (55 mins) Pull me Under Metropolis Pt 1 A Fortune in Lies Learning to Live Caught in a Web Lifting Shadows off a Dream 6:00 Perfect Strangers
When Dream and James Unite Mortville Music LI 04/05 (USA) audience and radio recordings
Charlie
Work: http://www.servemode.co.uk/ email: charlie@servemode.co.uk URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:50:45 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CDR Question (help needed) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980809154114.30792B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Constabl wrote:
> I have been making cd's from different songs and stuff I have found on > the web. > A problem I have is, when the songs switch to next track, there is an > audible click (pop, snap, whatever you want to call it)
You weren't specific enough giving context about the CDs you're trying to create, but let me tell you that if you're trying to make a CD with with 0-lenght gaps, then that's an art. :-)
You have to make sure that each file you're using is multiple of 2352 (after you ignore the first 44 bytes of a WAV header, for instance). Or there's another approach to the problem, using Jeff Arnold's DAO, but that's another thing completely different.
If, on the other hand, you're trying to create a compilation CD with, say, 2 sec gaps and the end of the files are giving you pops, then your program that's extracting the tracks isn't exactly very good. :-)
> I have been using two programs (wavclip, and wavtrim) to remove any non > audio data from the wav files but this doesn't seem to work all the time > and it is a pain in the ass to go in and remove all beginning and ending > silence from a wav file manually (assuming this is the problem). > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
There's a CD-R FAQ that everybody should read, IMO. A lot of things I learned from that place and many others I've learned from the difficulties and errors I've made (and I'm sure that many others learned the hard way too, making some unusable CDRs when you're still learning). And some things you'll only learn after you make some mistakes, unfortunately.
That's the most valuable advice that I can give you.
You can find the FAQ with help from a search engine, obviously.
> Thanks in advance. > Marc Contrady
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:57:29 -0500 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Unofficial Petrucci Page - URL? Message-ID: <01bdc3c7$8e99e340$fcc90b26@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
There was a post several jams ago from the maintainer of the new Unofficial John Petrucci page, but I seem to have lost the URL. Could that person or anyone who knows the URL please email me privately with the info? Thanks -
- Mark
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:03:53 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980809160231.30792D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote: > > > Arman Ashouriha wrote:
Ops! Sorry for the wront attribution of quotes! Arman didn't write the paragraph below, of course.
> > At least yours wasnt TOTALLY BLANK! like mine was ! > > Ive yet to find a piece of that tape with music in it.... anyways its > > funny how Arash turned against Dt the minute you criticized the quality > > on the empty tremor cassette..
[]s, "Mea Culpa", "Mea Culpa", "Mea Maxima Culpa"...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:19:40 EDT From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music Message-ID: <740ece3a.35ce045d@aol.com>
I read a post today in which somebody smashed the hell out of FII, and listed the bands that they think each song rips off... My opinion is: Music is music. Many different people like many different types of music...that is why there are so many different types of music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Return it, or sell it, and buy something you do like.
Rob
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