YTSEJAM Digest 4159
Today's Topics:
1) Jeeeeeesus Christ!
by "Saxon" <saxon@inreach.com>
2) Arman
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
3) MIME/HTML warning by "The Doc"........
by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br>
4) we don't have to feel such hatred for KORN!
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
5) Re: condensation
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
6) Kevin vs Derek
by illusion@ibbs.com
7) Punching Bag
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
8) OFB....DreamTheater
by "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
9) Eve - which DT member brought it in
by Calvin6S@aol.com
10) DT/ELP/DP: Tour info and review ***SPOILERS***
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
11) I Need Stratovarius Recommendations
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Arman the clown
by Calvin6S@aol.com
13) Stratovarius "Visions" Bonus Tracks
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) FAn Club Question
by MentalHunk@aol.com
15) Derek...here we go...
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:25:48 -0700
From: "Saxon" <saxon@inreach.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jeeeeeesus Christ!
Message-ID: <004001bdc3d3$e597f9a0$bc42fea9@p200>
For the life of me, I cannot figure out why Derek's sex life is so damn
important to you ppl. I mean, this is worse than the Lewinsky thing. Who
cares if Derek is humpin' every hole he can or can't get into?
Not me. Some ppl are just too caught up in the net. You need to get out
and get some sun, and a LIFE.
I mean, I've been watching this list for MONTHS and this is just pathetic.
I'm sure DT is proud to have a list full of nosey dumbasses that like to
ponder their sex lives.
You ppl really need to get lives. This is as pathetic a mailing list as
I've seen in a long time.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:02:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Arman
Message-ID: <199808092102.RAA11975@camel7.mindspring.com>
Arman "Not too smart" Arhouriha posted:
>Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format.
See, not too smart, is he?
>The production quality of Apocolokyntosys CD is superb.
No, it's not. I got the CD and the production sucks. There are good moments
and all but these kids have to learn a lot, IMO. Especially concerning
songwriting. There isn't a single memorable melody in the whole CD.
Sound-wise it's not great either.
>Look at Dream Theater. How much money have they spent to work with Kevin
>"suckman" Sheirly and what's the result ->> pure alternative sound.
Not too smart of you to say that. FII is anything but alternative.
>SELL OUT WITH FALLING INTO INFINITY and that's the truth.
Yada Yada Yada. You should be kicked out of the list for two reasons now:
the talk of selling out, and for using Mime format. Not too smart.
>U2 + alternative =3D Speak To Me=20
>Bon Jovi + alternative =3D You Not Me
>Elton "GAY" John + Beatles =3D Anna Lee
>Metalica + Pink Floyd =3D Preuvien Skies
>Alternative + hard rock =3D Cover My Eyes
First, go and learn to spell.
Second, go and stop being a homophobic bigot.
Third, get smart, You Not Me is STP, not Bon Jovi :)
Fourth: oh why do I bother.
Arman, PLEASE do us all a favor and UNSUBSCRIBE!
Make up an Empty Tremor list and FUCKING STAY THERE! I don't know about
everybody else, but I'm SO FUCKING TIRED of this Empty Tremor pushover! Hey,
Empty Tremor guys! You will only get big if you write good songs! You will
NOT get big if you get your friends to try to ruin the reputation of other
well established bands! Your strategy is WAY too obvious!
And it's not very smart.
GOD, do these Empty Tremor freaks piss me off. I'm giving my Empty Tremor CD
away, does anybody want it?
Didn't think so. Guess I'll just have to break it in tiny little pieces.
Christian.
____ ____ ____
/\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ "I even
/__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ feel alone=20
/\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / when you're
/ \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / near, 'cause
/ / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / you'll never
\ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / understand..."
\___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / - Queensr=FFche, I
\_________________________________________/ Dream in Infrared
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:01:39 -0300
From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MIME/HTML warning by "The Doc"........
Message-ID: <199808092102.SAA31345@patachou.sti.com.br>
The Doc says:
Just a word of reminder to you "slow" people out there... go into your
mailer preferences and TURN OFF HTML or MIME encoded posts to ytsejam.
Failure to do so will result in your systematic removal, thanks.
-The Doc
First of all, thanks for teaching us "Slow People out here" how to do that.
I apologize for such inconvenience, and beg for another chance to continue
on this list, even not being among the most frequent posters.
I appreciate your mercy. Thank you "smart The Doc"
Daniel
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:15:28 -0700
From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: we don't have to feel such hatred for KORN!
Message-ID: <01bdc3da$d5575840$573c1c26@MEMKIL.ix.netcom.com>
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DT (Fates Warning, Savatage), and i don't think we are doing the right =
thing by dissing Korn so much. They are doing some neat heavy stuff, and =
since i play the 7th string Ibanez, i enjoy listening to all these bands =
like Korn, DT, Vai. I think prog metal fans should keep an open mind to =
all forms of rock and not act like rapper kiddies who go around saying =
everything sucks. I just noticed how whenever someone talked about Korn =
on this list, they would get flamed or harrassed, and i don't think that =
is right, especially coming from "mature progressive fans". Just =
something to keep in mind! =20
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:39:23 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: condensation
Message-ID: <v01510100b1f3b795dc73@[194.7.231.90]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam,
Damon Fibraio wrote:
>How many times do I have to explain this shit to you people? I am in
>bounce mode. Just because the messages from me may appear in a row,
Um, Damon, this was aimed at me, not you. But you're absolutely right. Hey,
I'm not blind, but I do subscribe to several lists, and I get some personal mail
as well, totalling well over 150 mails daily. I try not to spend too much of the
little free time I have reading my mail, so if I had to cut 'n' paste parts of
messages together to reply, I'd spend the whole fucking evening answering mail.
And there are other things in life that need time.
Oh, and the messages appearing in a row is very common, since I read the posts
from the jam offline and queue my replies, then send them all at once.
Look, if you don't want to read my posts, skip them and read something else,
or procmail me, but stop bitching about it, please.
FiveNgroK
CP: Styx - "Cornerstone"
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:58:16 -0800
From: illusion@ibbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin vs Derek
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.18.8.9.-15.58.16.2781591004.1369898@bbs.ibbs.com>
So about the Kevin vs Derek debate....
I personally liked Kevin more....he gave DT a GREAT classical side to
it...I mean, look at Space-Dye Vest (I love it:).
Derek seems to be into more distorted keyboard effects. Which can be
cool at times...but I love pianos, and Kevin is a great pianist.
DT needs to make lots more songs like Space-Dye Vest. Kevin wrote some
pretty cool lyrics too.
So Derek, if you see this, do some more piano sounding stuff:)
Classical, and Rock/Metal....my two favorite types of music!
Message sent via <href="www.ibbs.com">Illusions BBS</a>.
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:15:55 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Punching Bag
Message-ID: <35CE2DAA.780D2162@imap1.asu.edu>
Arman Ashouriha found Arash's secret stash again:
> Hello, here is Arman (Arash's brother)
You gotta wonder just how much caffiene these boys grew up on....
> Look at Dream Theater. How much money have they spent to work with Kevin
> "suckman" Sheirly and what's the result ->> pure alternative sound.
If alternative music sounded THAT good, I'd be a fuckin' fan! Besides,
I don't think I'd be throwing names like "suckman" around the list so
freely. I'd bet that Shirley's going to appear on the next album. You
know why? Because DREAM THEATER liked working with him. Have you even
heard Liquid Tension Experiment yet? Go look at the production crew
credits. And in my opinion, LTE sounds fuckin' awesome.
> Falling Into Infinity is the worst DT album. Here in German magazins
> it becomes the lowest notes, Dream Theater ever have become.
> Actually, I'm in more than 6 maling lists and every one is flaming about Dream Theater's
> SELL OUT WITH FALLING INTO INFINITY and that's the truth.
Here in American magazines, the Ashouriha family have been seen in
exclusive photographs poking eachother with hot iron rods screaming
"PROG OR DIE! PROG OR DIE!" and are the source of Kenneth Starr's
inspiration to prosecute the entire White House staff. Actually, I'm on
more than 6 mailing lists (alt.psycho.progfans,
alt.guntoting.diaperhead.psychos, alt.drug-fiends.prog, the Crazy
Fuckers mailing list, "Caught in A Rash", and this one) dedicated to
making fun of the Ashouriha brothers and every one is laughing their
asses off about YOUR DELUDED SENSES OF OPINION AND TRUTH.
> I always thought, Dream Theater are agianst confirmity but Falling Into...
They are. How many bands nowadays knows what a double bass drum kit
looks like anymore?
> sounding total 90's like,
That's cuz it was written and recorded in the 1990's, dillhole. :)
What'd you expect, a 2034-sounding album? :P
> the songs are not complex and this sucks.
Here's an idea: Go out and buy an instrument. I don't care what, a
guitar, a synth, a drum kit..whatever. You spend some time learning
it. And when you can, without error, come back and play Lines in the
Sand and Trial of Tears note for note with as much soul as the guys in
DT do, then I'll listen to your pissing and moanings.
No no, I won't even then. When you start writing your own goddamn
music, and can make it as "technically challenging and complex" as you
want, THEN come back here. I doubt anybody will listen to you then
either.
> The same gose to Rush. In the 70's they've made great music. In the 80's they went
> to radio commercial songs. In the 90's (Test For The Echo) they went alternative.
I'll be kafuckered. They sounded like a straight up rock band, but an
alternative rock band? Come on man, Geddy's voice isn't THAT annoying!
;^)
> But you all rave about them because you are blind and will love eveyrthing they make.
This coming from a guy who continues to say that the production of an
album made by a bunch of teenaged rockers is SUPERB, even after a whole
flock of seasoned listeners and prog fans have said IT SUCKS....
After Arash's continued crap about how great Empty Tremor is, I was
repulsed from the idea of ordering a tape. Now with this little gem of
an email, I'm completely turned off to the idea of listening to Empty
Tremor. Good sales tactics guys.
> What about if Rush will play on a Nirvana tribute ?
Nirvana might be enjoyable?
> You are not a Progressive Metal fan, you are a Dream Theater fan.
> You will buy all their records and will love it only because it's > Dream Theater.
Does anybody else get the feeling this guy goes out to college campuses
with a "Holy Bible of Musical Tastes" once in a while?
> OH YEAH THAT's CREATIVITY AND EMPTY TREMOR SUCK BECAUSE THEY MAKE PROG AT IT'S BEST !
> WAKE UP. 1994 (Awake) is over. Now you have prog killers like
> You Not me, Burning My Soul, Take Away My pain, and Anna Lee. Ha ha ha.
> You can't compare Falling Into Infinity with masterworks like Symphony X's
> Divine Wings Of Tragedy or Empty Tremor's Apocolokyntosys.
I will. I still enjoy Falling Into Infinity much more than either of
those. NOt because I'm a blind sheep of a DT fan, but because the
musical ideas stand out and on their own, they're not contrived or
ripped off; while DWoT blew me away the first couple of listens, after a
while all the songs on the album sorta blended together in my mind.
With Falling Into Infinity, each song is a wholey different treat.
> Bands like Empty Tremor, Power Of Omen or Symphony X are making much better music
> than Falling Into Infinity.
My band can beat up your band any day of the week, pal!
> Arman (The Eyes Of Universe)
Uh...yeah.
> --------------6EBDCD165AFA0F5F97F59CAF--
189705A8798S878CA938 to you too, punk.
~Eckie, Master of the Universe
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:42:12 PDT
From: "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OFB....DreamTheater
Message-ID: <19980809234213.8908.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello Jammers.
I've got a point or two to make and I hope I don't ramble too much.
1) All this slamming of FII just gets me down. As I told another jammer
in private email..Subtley reigns on FII. You can't just listen to it and
expect to like it right away, you have to give it several spins. And
the whole YouNotMe -vs- YouOrMe (demo) is rather tiresome. This is two
very different versions of one song...but WTH I like BOTH simply because
they are DT. Although I do, however, treat them as that-- two DIFFERENT
songs. The point--> I like both simply because it is DT. I relish every
recording I have of them and listen to them all, again, simply because
it's DT. End o' point.
2) Has anyone ever tried to define Progressive?? Much less Prog-Metal?
My guess is that it would be a building of ideas to a better end...for
example: without WDADU and I&W, would DT have been able to **progress**
far enough to make FII. I listen to FII as a progression of the band
whether it be thru ideas or time or simply as musicians. It's all
growing and building to (in the end) a much better and (out on a limb
here) more mature band. And with maturity, IMO comes better expression
of ideas, hence, FII. To sum up, Living is Learning and we're all still
Learning to Live.
Just a few opinions of my own.
POJ =o)
P.S. putting on flame-retardant suit now....Just in case!
*********************************************
"Seize the day!" I heard him say,
Life will not always be this way.
Look around, Hear the sounds.
Cherish your life while you're still around.
*********************************************
"A Change Of Seasons" By Dream Theater
Email me at <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
Or at <appoggiatura93@yahoo.com>
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:46:14 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eve - which DT member brought it in
Message-ID: <26a85138.35ce34c8@aol.com>
Mike Portnoy already chastised me with the LtL/Lifting Shadows - Myung thing.
I didn't mind. I know the BAND writes the music (with few exceptions) - but I
know some member has to have the SPARK to start the song. I read an interview
with John Petrucci that stated John Myung had the bass line to Lifting Shadows
for awhile before it was finished - so I consider that a Myung spark (even
though I am aware the whole band contributed). I just like to know the
originators of certain songs so I can gain a better understanding on their
writing style.
Recently - someone brought up Eve in the context of Kevin Moore. I have (as I
am sure most do) bootlegs with the Cow version of Eve - but was the initial
spark for Eve? I also have a John Petrucci clinic where JP plays a song with
parts of Eve in it - but it isn't entirely Eve. Petrucci called it "Slow
Motion".
So does anyone with some REAL insight know who brought the idea of Eve into
Dream Theater. It has Kevin Moore written all over - but the JP clinic threw
me for a loop on that one.
Please, no posts with "I know its Kevin Moore's baby because it just sounds
like Kevin Moore, duh". It gets old quick.
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:45:22 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT/ELP/DP: Tour info and review ***SPOILERS***
Message-ID: <35CE3492.23EF@net1plus.com>
> From: Daniel Nobles <dozer@eznet.net>
> Now how bout some posts on the shows with elp/dp. Is it worth
> spending the big bucks jusst to see DT????
Yes! I cannot believe that no one has posted about this yet. I went to
the Great Woods show expecting an average DT show with a poor audience
reaction and a short setlist. Boy was I wrong! They were in absolute
top form and played tighter than ever. And they won over the crowd BIG
TIME! I kept looking around and seeing all of the DP/ELP fans in total
shock. I saw 40 year old married couples dancing around and clapping
their hands. After they finished the got a huge applause. Even the
local classic rock radio station (100.7 WZLX) were raving about them on
the air!
The setlist was the same as the previous show and I assume that it will
remain unchanged for the remainder of the tour. It went as follows:
NEW MILLENNIUM
6:00
PERUVIAN SKIES/HAVE A CIGAR/ENTER SANDMAN
PULL ME UNDER
HOLLOW YEARS
METROPOLIS pt.1 (without jam)
I have never seen the band so inspired in the 7 times that I have seen
them. The were pumped the whole set. Derek and Mike: Thank you for
such an amazing show. Ytsejammers: Go see this tour!
Jon Dery
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:52:45 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I Need Stratovarius Recommendations
Message-ID: <740f1cd3.35ce364e@aol.com>
Hey gang -
Okay, I need some recommendations here. I'm strongly considering purchasing
some of the older Stratovarius albums, and I need to know which ones I should
get before the others. I already have "Episode" and "Visions" and the new
double live album. I really like Episode, but Visions is just AMAZING! I
absolutely love every song on Visions. I think the only songs I totally freak
over on Episode is "Father Time" and "Seasons Of Change", although the rest of
the album is very solid. That said, where should I go from here? I want to
eventually get Dreamspace, Fourth Dimension, Fright Night, and Twilight Time.
Can someone suggest an order of purchase or which songs are particularly
great? Private e-mail would be fine, but on the Jam would be alright as well.
Thanks in advance!!!
- Matt T.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:54:45 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Arman the clown
Message-ID: <f8f9075f.35ce36c6@aol.com>
Arman "the Clown" wrote
>U2 + alternative = Speak To Me
>Bon Jovi + alternative = You Not Me
>Elton "GAY" John + Beatles = Anna Lee
>Metalica + Pink Floyd = Preuvien Skies
>Alternative + hard rock = Cover My Eyes
I'm gettin a little tired of the You Not Me - Bon Jovi references just because
Desmond Child had a hand in the song (albeit a terrible hand). I doesn't
sound like Bon Jovi AT ALL.
and Elton "GAY" John + Beatles = Anna Lee
first off Elton John + Beatles = cool mix
second - wtf mention GAY?
An if any of you wondered why Derek sounded so "macho" during his reply - it
may be a HUMAN reaction from reading 1,000 posts on the Jam questioning his
sexuality. Hey atleast Derek is having sex. :oP
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:08:43 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stratovarius "Visions" Bonus Tracks
Message-ID: <1c7a94d0.35ce3a0c@aol.com>
Hi -
One more question about Stratovarius....
I know this came up some time ago, but I don't remember what the answer was,
and I can't find it on the official Strat page. Of the 2 bonus tracks on
"Visions", I know that one was a live recording of "Uncertainty", and the
other track is "Black Diamond". Is that a demo of BD? Or is it a studio
outtake... what's the difference between that track and the "official" track
on the album? Thanks in advance for the info.....
- Matt T.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:23:09 EDT
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Images_And_Words@compuserve.com
Subject: FAn Club Question
Message-ID: <5846889f.35ce3d6e@aol.com>
I was curious.....Whats up with the fan club ? I have'nt seen a thing from
them in the mail since the Chritmas Cd and new photo, etc (mine happened to be
signed by Derek and James)....HAs there been any issues since ? I think I'm
getting passed over here.....Neil, you listening ?
Tom
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:25:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek...here we go...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980809191953.28389A-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
I only have two things to say:
1- Derek was damn cool when I met him, so as far as his personality goes,
that's all I need or want to know.
2- If people want to talk about which keyboardist you like better, go for
it. But there's no need to bash people, and for god's sake, quit saying
the same damn things over and over. We've all seen 8 million ond one posts
saying that they like Kevin because he had good lyrics or a classical
feel, or they like Derek because he grooves. If it's already been said,
don't waste everyone's time - nobody is taking a fucking poll, we don't
give a shit exactly what percentage of us 1300 like Kevin vs. Derek. In
short, if you have nothing new to contribute, shut your fucking dough
hole.
-Brian
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