YTSEJAM Digest 4156
Today's Topics:
1) Neverending Dreams out soon!!!Watch out
by Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch>
2) Korg's Post/UK/FII
by GuitarX777@aol.com
3) Hell's Kitchen & Burning My Soul
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
4) oops! wrong typing. Angra's new single
by "Niria" <niriax@ciudad.com.ar>
5) RE: B-side boot recall, sorry folks...
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
6) Apology to KORN fans...
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 6526445132565413
by "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
8) Majestic Harmonies
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4155
by "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
10) Holy hump-machine Batman!
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) Falling Into Infinity
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
12) re: Empty Tremor free promo tape
by Arman Ashouriha <eyesofuniverse@geocities.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4145
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
14) Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:30:53 +0200 (CEST)
From: Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neverending Dreams out soon!!!Watch out
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980809072931.28820Q-100000@troll.studi.unizh.ch>
I'm curenly in the US and will present you with my part 5 st ory shortly.
Stay tuned.
Cheers
Choon-Kang
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Keep your DREAMs alive, don't get pulled under in the world's THEATER of
infinitely falling and changing seasons...
choonkang@the.site.ch
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:42:16 EDT
From: GuitarX777@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Korg's Post/UK/FII
Message-ID: <a2f227a8.35cd36b9@aol.com>
On the Derek issue: I think Derek is an excellent musician, and I'll admit I
kind of laughed as I read his post, because prog fans are almost always trying
to project (in my opinion...try to resist the urge to flame me) an annoyingly
politically correct, proactive image. The fact that Derek responded so
defensively is perhaps a little unprofessional, but this IS a rock band we're
talking about and he gets major style points in my opinion for having the
balls to make some of the comments he did. ANYWAY, I think it was Steve Vai
who said "We all have a spark of divinity in us and even if we don't outwardly
display it, it can sneak into the music we make." Perhaps
we should reflect on that. I think Christian was very right in his appraisal
of the situation.
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On UK: Uk is not exactly the easiest band to describe. They strike me as being
both "fusiony" and "King Crimson-like." Listen and decide for yourself.
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On FII: While I&W is no doubt a better album, I would definitely rank FII
above WDADU, which in comparison seems like a cartoonish self-parody (as does
AOI, unfortunately). As far as LaBrie's voice goes, I think the differences in
his style are all for the better and almost relieving to hear. While DT has
definitely released better examples of guitar and drum playing, I thought the
keyboards (especially the solos) were outstanding and the bass playing, though
less technical, had improved from previous efforts. I also doubt anyone will
disagree when I say that the production is far superior to that of any
previous DT albums. As far as the songs go:
NM: Am I the only person who actually loves this song?
YNM: Great song, if not typical DT. I admit a lingering preference for YOM.
HY: I love this one. Some of Petrucci's coolest tasteful playing.
JLMB: I'm lukewarm on this one. I hate MTV too, but this song is less dynamic
than it could've been and the guitar/keyboard breakdown should've been louder
in the mix.
AL: Impressive, especially in terms of the arranging at work.
BMS: Good, but perhaps it could've been more dynamic.
HK: Amazing. Should've stayed part of BMS.
LITS: Alright, but not striking. I've never been a KX fan either, so that
might be it.
TAMP: One of my favorites. Excellent arrangement, great vocals.
TOT: Good, especially on a rainy day. The instrumental sections here, as on
the whole disc are somewhat less riveting than on other DT stuff. (Funeral for
a Friend is my favorite DT instrumental at the moment)
Just my 2 cents.
Chris (the Stunt Guitarist)
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:14:18 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hell's Kitchen & Burning My Soul
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980809030433.6592A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 GuitarX777@aol.com wrote:
> BMS: Good, but perhaps it could've been more dynamic.
> HK: Amazing. Should've stayed part of BMS.
Here is a topic that I was waiting to be discussed here, but
apparently wasn't (unless it was discussed when I was unsubscribed from
the list).
It seems that a lot of people prefer BMS with HK in the middle,
right? So it seems (I'm *NOT* saying that everybody prefer the old
version). Ok. So, why don't DT play BMS with HK in their current live
shows?? I can't see problems with performing the song differently from the
album version. And the fans who know this older version would be happy, I
suppose. And the fans who haven't heard this older version of BMS (let's
remember that not everybody is fortunate enough to have access to
bootlegs) would be exposed to some "extra", different version of a DT
song, giving them some diversity.
And this would also be a way for the guys to avoid the "auto-pilot
mode" discussed in the past jams.
Another benefit of this form would be that tapers/traders would
also be happy with it. :-)
Just some food for thought. Or, like you Americans say, that's my
2 cents. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:27:59 -0300 From: "Niria" <niriax@ciudad.com.ar> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: oops! wrong typing. Angra's new single Message-ID: <001101bdc35e$dd657d40$d38e10c8@wigbertx>
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:44:33 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: B-side boot recall, sorry folks... Message-ID: <000301bdc361$2b2f3500$908c15cf@markphil>
Jammers,
I'm sorry to get anyone's hope's up... the CD I posted I WILL NOT distribute because it has officially released material from DT... Additionally, I was never looking to enter this business in any way shape or form, and after conversing, I'll agree to stay out of it... my web site will still be up I guess cause I have no reason to take it down, but this is to clarify that I will not sell or trade anything... Sorry to disappoint anyone...
"Luke, you do not know the power of the Dark Side!" - Vader "Give in to your anger... strike me down, and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete!" - the Emperor
"You've failed Your Highness... I am a Jedi... like my father before me!" - Luke Skywalker
(I love how most everything in live can be illustrated through Star Wars! =)
Mark
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 03:12:29 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Apology to KORN fans... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980809031229.007fe34c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
..but this is dumb all over:
>The first 12 tracks on Korn's Follow the Leader, >due Aug. 18, are blank; the album begins with track 13. >"It was just a wacky thing that we wanted to do," explains >guitarist James "Munky" Shaffer.
Yours disapprovingly,
Brian "Munky C" Henderson
=================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ His Faithful Bootleg Page: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/ ===================================
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:37:22 +0000 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 6526445132565413 Message-ID: <35CDC211.A7CD3ED5@mindspring.com>
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Oops, sorry, I forgot... this is the Ytsejam list. Censor yourselves! Confine your replies to the 'cool' jammers... Post arrogant replies. Kill each other with a guitar string. Eat a pint of cheyanne pepper sauce. Love Bill Gates. He is your friend. And, also....
SAN DEMUS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!!
(I'm sure no ones really paying attention).
By the way, John Myung is the coolest. Hopefully he'll drop by sometime.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:39:03 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Majestic Harmonies Message-ID: <f8f710ec.35cd5218@aol.com>
And it's a SCORE. . . . .
The best CD stores are usually the most obscure. . .and have LOTS of used CDs and LOTS of metal CDs.
Yeah, yeah, my point is. . . is when shopping at these stores always, always, look in the bin where they keep your favorite band's CDs. You never know what you might find.
A brand new ("used" but never opened) copy of Majestic Harmonies.
Recorded Live in Stockholm 10/27/93.
The first 8 cuts are live and run similar to Live at the Marque only in Metropolis Pt 1, and Pull Me Under *different because of course it is live*. The other 6 are Mission Impossible, Afterlife, UaGM, WfS (inc. keyboard solo) and TtT.
If this isn't enough. . .
the next four cuts are from Majesty 1986:
Vital Star, Another Won, Your Majesty and A Vision. The latter of the four runs for 11.16.
Oh yes. It was a great day to shop for music. Did I mention that this is an absolutely awesome CD? It is. Now I can stop bugging for Majesty stuff too.
Laters,
_____Nikki____________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live -- J. Myung (Dream Theater)~~
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:40:40 +0000 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4155 Message-ID: <35CDC2D5.D5803268@mindspring.com>
Dude, don't worry. This is a common occurance here. No one reads anything unless it has to do with whos the best at what, why Derek is a 'dick' (?) or SHRED! I hear ya.
> Nobody answered my UK question... please, what does it sound like? Is it > some King Crimson-type band? Or is it more fusion-like?
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 02:52:59 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Holy hump-machine Batman! Message-ID: <35CD555B.B456613E@isd.net>
Did anybody entertain the possibility that Derek may have some rare disease that requires him to ejaculate no less than 12 times a day? This disease (if not treated properly) causes enough abdominal pressure to completely immobilize the victim from the resulting pain. Masturbation was out of the question because of the potential of over-developing his arms to the point of pushing the Korgs through the floor. I'd be a little apprehensive about shaking his hand had he chose to take matters into his own.
Just kidding Derek! Hehehe I'm sorry kids, I have to defend Derek here.. If I was in the same position as he (don't get sick on me, jammers) I would do the same. I can remember in my younger years during the 70s, humping from hole to hole like a three peckered rabbit. Hell, if I was DTs keyboardist, they would need an additional tour bus just to haul the condoms! I do think a little more discretion was in order though...
I think Korg echoes my opinions best on the morality issue, though Calvin had some very valid points, as did others. I think about my daughter (two weeks from her 16th birthday) dating someone like Axl Rose and think... Not a chance, bub. He would quickly join the Cobain ranks. The headlines would read "Axl Rose chokes on own testicles" Would I let her date Derek? Not a chance. And I like Derek. :)
I have a great deal of respect for Derek, as I do with every member of DT. (Ahhh huh huh, I said "member") I do hold them to higher standards than most musicians. Is that fair? Damn right! I have the ultimate choice on who I listen to, and if I think a musician is helping to degrade society further by using music as a vehicle to reflect their own lack of moral standards, I WON'T BUY IT. There is enough dickheads out there supporting maggots like (insert lame band lame here)----------------------
I know what you're thinking... He just contradicted himself with the morality- vs.- "I'd do the same as Derek" statement. I was in my teens back in the 70s, I grew up. Besides, that was the decade of "free love." It's no surprise to me that there is a shit load of lava lamps on stage.
I'll shut up now :)
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. Or your penis!
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 04:38:56 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Falling Into Infinity Message-ID: <7828cfe4.35cd6021@aol.com>
<<Well, look at the competition it's going against.... I&W and Awake>>
While I was waiting in line for the DT show in Tempe. . . a guy asked me if I had though Dream Theater had "sold out." I found this to be an amazing question. Every CD DT comes out with is different from the one previous, I can't find trend in much that they do. WD&DU was hard to listen to. . . then it grew on me. I&W was just incredible, technically incredible, that CD makes you listen to its intricacies. Awake just shattered me within the first two songs, I stay pretty much dumbfounded throughout Erotomania, Mirror, Lie. . SDV, and love every minute of it. Does anyone know what to expect from them on their next album? Not a chance!!! Isn't that the greatest feeling?
I agree completely FII has some seriously tough competition as will all of their new releases. Personally, I think they do very well on their own and don't need any help on their courses.
_____Nikki_______________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live --J. Myung~~
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 11:34:29 +0200 From: Arman Ashouriha <eyesofuniverse@geocities.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Empty Tremor free promo tape Message-ID: <35CD6D25.A284201E@geocities.com>
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Hello, here is Arman (Arash's brother)
>From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Empty Tremor free promo tape >Message-ID: <35CC8894.34B592E0@tiac.net>
>Well I finally got my free promo tape from the Empty Tremor boys. It >was nicely put together with 4 songs and lyrics on the insert. >Unfortunately it's the crappiest quality tape in the universe. Now >before you bitch at me for complaining about something I got for >free....the quality of the tape severely impacts the overall quality of >the production and the sound of the band as a whole. I just hope it's >because of the bad tape and not the original cd...
The production quality of Apocolokyntosys CD is superb. Empty Tremor have produced the album by them self and it's amazing because they where young teenagers.
Look at Dream Theater. How much money have they spent to work with Kevin "suckman" Sheirly and what's the result ->> pure alternative sound.
Falling Into Infinity is the worst DT album. Here in German magazins it becomes the lowest notes, Dream Theater ever have become. Actually, I'm in more than 6 maling lists and every one is flaming about Dream Theater's SELL OUT WITH FALLING INTO INFINITY and that's the truth. I always thought, Dream Theater are agianst confirmity but Falling Into... sounding total 90's like, the songs are not complex and this sucks. When Dream And Day Unite, Images And Words and Awake are much much better than Falling Into Infinity.
The same gose to Rush. In the 70's they've made great music. In the 80's they went to radio commercial songs. In the 90's (Test For The Echo) they went alternative. But you all rave about them because you are blind and will love eveyrthing they make. What about if Rush will play on a Nirvana tribute ?
>The band itself...eh. It's hard to be too harsh because they obviously >have talent but I get almost nothing out of listening to this music. I'm >sorry, but I just don't hear an original style from this band. It's >almost funny listening to bands try to copy DT cause they leave out so >many of the best parts of DT. The most often copied part is the >synchronized power chords and drums in odd time sigs (such as in UAGM) >and this band certainly does plenty of that. Unfortunately since that's >all they can do they can't copy the lush chords and advanced >progressions that DT does such as in Learning to Live. >This is not progressive music. I'm not saying that makes it BAD music, >but there's nothing innovative going on here and I'm sick of all these >new bands doing their best DT being called progressive. Somebody think >of a better name for this style before I go crazy...
You are not a Progressive Metal fan, you are a Dream Theater fan. You will buy all their records and will love it only because it's Dream Theater. My brother Arash has the Japan version of Falling Into ... and the bonus CD has the song "Speak To Me". Man, suck this song or what ? This is the worst song I've ever heard from a prog metal band. I can't belive Mike Portnoy plays on this song.
U2 + alternative = Speak To Me Bon Jovi + alternative = You Not Me Elton "GAY" John + Beatles = Anna Lee Metalica + Pink Floyd = Preuvien Skies Alternative + hard rock = Cover My Eyes
OH YEAH THAT's CREATIVITY AND EMPTY TREMOR SUCK BECAUSE THEY MAKE PROG AT IT'S BEST !
>Hmmm, so why is it I've heard about 20 bands (Altura, Mayadome, Lemur >Voice) doing their best Metropolis Part 1 impressions but no bands that >can match the beauty of Learning to Live or Trial of Tears? I know many >people think Metropolis is DT's best instrumental work but that's a >product of mostly technical talent and not song-writing. I think LTL >stands up better over time.
WAKE UP. 1994 (Awake) is over. Now you have prog killers like You Not me, Burning My Soul, Take Away My pain, and Anna Lee. Ha ha ha. You can't compare Falling Into Infinity with masterworks like Symphony X's Divine Wings Of Tragedy or Empty Tremor's Apocolokyntosys.
Bands like Empty Tremor, Power Of Omen or Symphony X are making much better music than Falling Into Infinity.
I just hope that DT will not end like Queensryche or Metallica. I'm 100 % sure that their next album will not sell as much as Falling Into ... because so many prog fans have been dissapionted.
Let's wait and see ...
In my CD changer :
Treasure Land - Gateway Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys Symphony X - The Divine Wings Of Tragedy Treasure Land - Questions Yngwie Malmsteen - Odessy
Arman (The Eyes Of Universe)
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 05:54:40 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4145 Message-ID: <50627770.35cd71e2@aol.com>
<<If James was the evil one here, he could just write "Metropolis Part II - Armageddon" and be done with it. But he's not, and he's only just realizing that he is merely a pawn in Petrucci's game.>>
]From: Keith Aspinall <big.smooth@asu.edu> and Mad dog <jhaveman@u.arizona.edu>
aka Arizona State University and University of Arizona.
It's okay. Relax, calm down, drink some water and find some AC fast!!
Last week's 116 degrees really did a number on your brain.
Lots and Lots of LOL. Thanks.
___________Nikki_________________ It's Day Break at the Bottom of the Lake It's 100 Degrees, I Can't Breath.
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 07:39:17 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape Message-ID: <35CD8A65.B8DDA9CE@caribe.net>
Arman Ashouriha wrote:
> D>Well I finally got my free promo tape from the Empty Tremor boys. It > >was nicely put together with 4 songs and lyrics on the insert. > >Unfortunately it's the crappiest quality tape in the universe. Now > >before you bitch at me for complaining about something I got for > >free....the quality of the tape severely impacts the overall quality of > >the production and the sound of the band as a whole. I just hope it's > >because of the bad tape and not the original cd...
At least yours wasnt TOTALLY BLANK! like mine was ! Ive yet to find a piece of that tape with music in it.... anyways its funny how Arash turned against Dt the minute you criticized the quality on the empty tremor cassette..
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 08:25:03 -0300 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Empty Tremor free promo tape Message-ID: <35CD870E.D857A8FD@caribe.net>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> Arman Ashouriha wrote: > > > D>Well I finally got my free promo tape from the Empty Tremor boys. It > > >was nicely put together with 4 songs and lyrics on the insert. > > >Unfortunately it's the crappiest quality tape in the universe. Now > > >before you bitch at me for complaining about something I got for > > >free....the quality of the tape severely impacts the overall quality of > > >the production and the sound of the band as a whole. I just hope it's > > >because of the bad tape and not the original cd... > > At least yours wasnt TOTALLY BLANK! like mine was ! > Ive yet to find a piece of that tape with music in it.... anyways its funny how Arash > turned against Dt the minute you criticized the quality on the empty tremor cassette.. > >
ok let me rectify myself, besides the obvous typo with the name, well i quoted the wrong person on the email message...
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