YTSEJAM Digest 4149
Today's Topics:
1) NDTC....Theatre of Tragedy
by Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu>
2) Bruford
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
3) Derek on Derek
by NckyLemons@aol.com
4) Re: B-Sides
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4148
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
6) Re: Brufordmania
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
7) Re: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4148
by "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
9) Re: On music and diversity...
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) Bozzio the Clown
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
11) Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show, etc.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
12) Re: the evil twins bid for world domination!!!!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
13) Re: Derek on Derek
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Re: Derek on Derek
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
15) two things, one dtc, one not, get over it
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: Derek on Derek
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
17) Yes Virginia, there IS a Nicky Lemmons!
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
18) Re: Derek on Derek
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
19) a Radical thought
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC....Theatre of Tragedy
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980807131747.375fbbde@phoenix.davidson.edu>
Hi all...
Someone just recommended the band Theatre of Tragedy... I have heard bits
of the music but not
the lyrical content. Someone else told me that they were on the "evil"
bandwagon. I understand
that they have gothic overtones.
Anyone who is familiar with the group please e-mail me and tell me more
about them or offer a
recommendation.
Thanks - Everett
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:16:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bruford
Message-ID: <19988713151666334@ix.netcom.com>
<<Well, I'm glad that I wasn't wrong with LTiA (KC's 2nd album), but
I didn't know that he's been the drummer ever since. When exactly did he
play live with Genesis?? After he left Yes and before he entered KC??
>>
first, LTiA was NOT KCs 2nd album. In the Wake of Posideon was. Then
came Lizard, then Islands (or that could be the other way around). From what
Ive gathered about Bruford's playing in these 3 bands the order goes: Yes, then
Crimson, then Genesis. for a while after Red, KC was broken up (notice the long
span of time between Red and Discipline. I heard that Fripp was actually going to
call this "new" band Discipline, but decided that it sounded too much like Crimson
that he resurected the "dead" name. Bruford played for Genesis on the Trick of a Tail
tour, which was 75. Red was released in 74. Whew!
Countdown to DT at Jones Beach: 2 days, 6 hours, and 15 minutes
Matt
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| "A daily dose of eMpTyV |
| will flush your mind |
| right down the drain." |
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| - Mike Portnoy |
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:38:24 EDT
From: NckyLemons@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek on Derek
Message-ID: <a2ee5ace.35cb3b91@aol.com>
Hi, this is Derek
A lot of you have been trying to put me in catagorize me with no success so
let me help you out.
I am a 100% Rock n Roll keyboard player who loves to play a lot of notes. I
also love to play with the women !!!!!
Those of you who think I am a homo or poser...jokes on you!! because while you
are wasting time writing about me....I'm living my dream on a daily basis
meeting beautiful women across the world....not to mention play with one of
the best bands in the world!!!
As far as kevin moore goes, i met him one time and found him to be a
gentleman. I have expressed my respect for him in many interviews, and I wish
him the best with his career.
Can this stupid debate please end ? ....surely there are more interesting
things to talk about like charlie dominici's pathetic video that he is trying
to sell!!
peace out, Derek
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: B-Sides
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980807102523.19361A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Korg mentioned "The Way It Used to B (sides)", noting the title was corny.
Well, hey, if you can get away with "Once in a LIVEtime", you can put out
"The Way It Used to B (sides)". I'd personally call it "Metropolitan
Museum of B-Sides", but that's just my own cheez coming through. ^_^
I agree with most everybody who has responded -- the idea's great. I
wasn't able to get the Lie or HY singles, so I'm missing a lot of cool
stuff. I'm sure that this stuff would be new to a lot of DT fans (I
wonder what % of the fanbase we represent? Maybe 1 or 2%?), and collected
for $12 or $15, it'd be beautiful! Kinda like Megadeth's version, only
with more stuff, and stuff we haven't heard, like the unused FII songs
(I'd donate an organ to hear Raise the Knife all the way through with
vocals!) or that song that everybody wants to hear that I won't mention
because that shouldn't be the only reason to buy the CD (though I doubt
many of us looked at the ACOS EP and said, "Whoa! Love Lies Bleeding
*and* Funeral For a Friend! I'm so on that!").
I feel like I'm giving my Christams list to Santa or something.
Obviously, one would want to avoid overexposure, but still, a spring
release or somthing would rock nadz while we wait and let you take your
time with the next big album of doom (tm).
HOWEVER, I'm also all for putting M2 (John Cameron directing?) on the new
album. I'm also not against putting the unused FII songs on the new
album. But it may be more logical to just put the songs on a dedicated
EP ("The Way They Used To Be?") and let the new music fill the new album.
I also like Swiss chees, but that's beside the point.
--Matt (whatever floats yer boat, though...)
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"..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen"
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:40:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4148
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807133016.5788A-100000@gs.bass.org>
On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 Pat queried:
> I have Larks.... and while the music is great and I like John Wetton's
> voice, the quality of the cd really SUCKS. I have to turn the volume way
> up to hear some parts then when the louder parts come up I go deaf. Are
> the rest of the early cds the same way?
Not having heard Larks I cannot comment on your copy, but the first
several with Greg Lake seem pretty even in production quality to me. You
may want to pick up The Night Watch-a live 2cd set which was used for the
Starless Album. The whole show was remastered by RF and sounds decent.
Apparently, DGM will be re-releasing The Great Deceiver Box which would be
the definitive have-to-have for KC fans.
Peace.
NP: Controlled Bleeding--Buried Blessings <Head Bang> Ouch!
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Paul's thought for the Month:
Hey Hey, My My, Rock-n-roll will never Die!
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:53:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
Subject: Re: Brufordmania
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980807135137.32383A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Well, I'm glad that I wasn't wrong with LTiA (KC's 2nd album), but
> > I didn't know that he's been the drummer ever since. When exactly did he
> > play live with Genesis?? After he left Yes and before he entered KC??
>
> I beg your pardon if an answer has already been posted. Actually, WoP is
> KC's second album. LTiA was the start of the second incarnation of Crimson
> with John Wetton (Uriah Heep, Asia, &c).
...not to mention Jamie Muir (only on LTiA) and David Cross (who
played flute and mellotron).
> Bruford joined Genesis for their
> 76 tour supporting Trick of the Tail. He can be heard on the remastered
> version of Three Sides Live (the Fourth Side) and on Seconds Out (both the
> original and remastered version).
this *is* true, but don't expect a lot. Bruford is only on
_Cinema Show_ from Seconds Out, and it/Watcher Of The Skies on Three Sides
Live (Chester Thompson does th eother tracks).
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:26:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807142608.27932D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
;OK, I have heard enough of this crap. What the hell is this guy smoking?
Whatever it is, I want to manufacture it so I can be rich.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 02:35:20 -0400 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4148 Message-ID: <35CBF190.A52B33F9@mindspring.com>
You know, it's funny how the same tired, bullshit (blah-vs.blah) topics getting all the responses and threads, when an occassional serious question, or topic gets looked over (like this one will) just so everyone can go on spewing their so self-important opinion on things. Well, I hate to say it, but I second the motion of the person who said her opinion doesn't count and that no one is listening. I guess the clique lives on even on the ytsejam list. Oh well. I have brain surgery to go perform on a hungarian bat over in Jersey City. Thats seems more interesting.
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: On music and diversity... Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807143252.27932E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
You know, I have been thinking of adding guitar to my keyboards/vocals ability, but every time I go to do it, one thing stops me, besides themoney, I mean. it is the impatience. The guitar is logically laid out differently, and I know the way I am. If I weren't like Eddie Van Halen in two weeks, I would get pissed off and give up. Besides, I would want to get a hold of all the effects and such right away. I would want to sound like JP in a matter of a year and I know that's not possible. I guess I realize that I would be a green day guitar player for a while and I don't want that.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: ytsejammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bozzio the Clown Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807143206.8857A-100000@gs.bass.org>
For those whe were curious (and also those who weren't) Bozzio is now the drummer for the Knack (My Sharona) on their new album "Zoom." Besides VAI and MP; he has also played with FZ (get Sheik Yerbouti or Live in NY (!!)) as well as replacing Bruford in UK for the last couple of albums. His additions to Zappa's band really showcase his talents more than elsewhere. Just call me the encyclopedia. (Abridged of course). Word to all of you.
NB: I have no excuse for not posting this with the last message I sent. Just run me out on a rail now, please.
NP:Big Mountain--Free Up
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's thought for the Month:
Hey Hey, My My, Rock-n-roll will never Die!
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show, etc. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807144515.27932H-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, let me clarify my position here. I never said either keyboardists were better. All I am doing is defending Derek. That is all. I still love Kevin, still miss the guy in the band, but I am happy with Derek's contribution. Now if only he wrote lyrics like Kevin ...
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: the evil twins bid for world domination!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807145112.27932I-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Hey, man, you need help. By the way, you forgot gobots and voltron. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek on Derek Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807152655.27932K-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Is this for real?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:28:34 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek on Derek Message-ID: <01BDC24A.5A29CFE0@100.152.dialin.mxs.nl>
To prevent a flood of "was that really Derek ?!?!" posts...
Yeah, that was him :)
Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: two things, one dtc, one not, get over it Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807152941.27932N-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, dtc first. Is there anybody with an extra ticket to the Jones beach show that can send it my way, and give a ride. I know the show is on Sunday. I don't want anybody to go out of their way, and considering that I can't afford to pay for the ticket, unless it is $25, I can pay you on the first of the month. You may call me a cheapskate, but I live off of social security because I am blind, and I don't get much. I don't go out much, either. As you can probably tell from my posting frenzies. Anyway, if anybody from NJ is going to jones beach and wouldn't mind me tagging along in the car, I promise, I am entertaining enough for you, and wouldn't mind spotting me a ticket, email me at damon@monmouth.com. I am good for the money, just not until September. I will give you collatoral if I have to.
Secondly, I have a question for the players in our group. Would you join a generic rock band if the offer was given to you? I auditioned for a matchbox 20/googoo dolls/wallflowers type band last night.. Now, I have nothing mcuh to do musically, no prog bands are beating down my door, and I really wouldn't mind the work, but this is a little too constrictive for me. Just playing organ chords is not my idea of entertainment. I play in a cover band as well, but these guys have their thumbs up their ass and would rather sit in a rehearsal studio every week looking for the next James Labrie of cover tunes than using what we have, (I can sing) to go out and make some money and play. So, would you all join this mess? They are signed to the local record label, but that isn't saying much at all. Am I sacrificing my integrity here? I won't be making much money, and they say they want to do some coverstuff too. What do you all think of this?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:43:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek on Derek Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807154320.15849A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, I stand corrected. But can somebody explain the nickie lemons thing again? And why are all DT personell on AOL? Come on guys, there has to be a better way. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:53:41 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes Virginia, there IS a Nicky Lemmons! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980807125341.00ac2d10@mail.legato.com>
YES.......I have it confirmed from a very reliable source......OH MY GAWD *scream* *faint* It's NICKY LEMMONS!
Yesh Damon it is him...and Damn somebody put Damon in Digest mode? I love your posts man but please......one word love:
Consolidate!
and to Derek! Way to go man! Helluva post. Glad you set the record straight! (no pun intended!) I hope I get to see you and the other guys on Aug 28th at the Warfield! Keep doing that awesome job you are doing!
The Flame at the Heart of a Pawnbroker's Diamond........
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"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek on Derek Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980807131432.28108A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 NckyLemons@aol.com wrote:
> >Hi, this is Derek > >I am a 100% Rock n Roll keyboard player who loves to play a lot of notes. I >also love to play with the women !!!!!
This reminds me of a movie... "I wanna be like you. You just play with the women... From now on, we'll be free and happy."
"I'm not happy."
"What?"
"I grew up idolizing guys like Fonzy and Vinnie Barbarino. You know what happened to those guys?... Their shows got cancelled. You know why? Because nobody wants to see a 50-year-old man hitting on chicks."
Maybe Derek should... no, I won't say what he should do. I'll say what I think of what he does.
If I hear one more word out his mysoginistic little cakehole, I'll... well, I don't know what I'll do, but I think it's pretty sad that that's what he considers satisfying and fufilling.
>Those of you who think I am a homo or poser...jokes on you!! because while you >are wasting time writing about me....I'm living my dream on a daily basis >meeting beautiful women across the world....not to mention play with one of >the best bands in the world!!!
Well, from all the concert reviews online that had you with a different girl every show, I didn't figure you a homosexual. Poser? That depends on who you talk to. Some people's idea of poser is someone who thinks that hitting up a different chick every night is cool. In fact, it would seem that, from the way your wrote that paragraph that you'd put that right above playing for Dream Theater which is, lo and behold, the reason you're playing for them in the first place.
> >As far as kevin moore goes, i met him one time and found him to be a >gentleman. I have expressed my respect for him in many interviews, and I wish >him the best with his career.
As we all do.
> >Can this stupid debate please end ? ....surely there are more interesting >things to talk about like charlie dominici's pathetic video that he is trying >to sell!!
Oh yeah, that's interesting (choke). How about speculating on which diseases you're going to collect and save.
> >peace out, Derek >
Make music, Derek. It may not be what you like to do the most, but you're pretty damn good at it.
Until next time, --Matt
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a Radical thought Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980807162603.7352D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Hey, since I never can seem to get to these damn Dream Theater concerts anymore, and I know the guys are around here somewhere, since they played at the pnc bank arts center, how about giving me a life, huh? Hell, I won't say a word, I'll just sit there. Let me ride. Hell, tie me to the roof of the tour bus, I don't care. I'll even pay for a ticket right out. I don't give a damn. I won't say a word to anybody, not Keith Emerson, not anybody, just give me a ride. Please, please, please. :) Actually, I am not kidding if you are serious.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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