YTSEJAM digest 4162

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Today's Topics:

  1) Both sides of the story?
 by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
  2) Re: The Flaming Arman (TM)
 by DragynLMC3@aol.com
  3) Age of Impact at # 6
 by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
  4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4147
 by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
  5) flame
 by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
  6) Sym X question
 by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
  7) Re: Progmetal album of the year?
 by "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
  8) Jam in Norway
 by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
  9) arash-arman
 by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
 10) STOP SENDING ME THIS SPAMMING SHIT
 by "Paul Storimans" <paul.storimans@eclectic.nl>
 11) Re: Sym X question
 by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
 12) Re: Progmetal album of the year ?
 by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
 13) Set List from Hampton Beach, NH 8/4/98
 by Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
 14) Ytsemeeting Brazil I
 by Gilberto Bressan Junior <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:22:18 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Both sides of the story?
Message-ID: <v04003a01b1f4a2e97ec1@[194.121.235.251]>

Hi there!

Don't want to spoil anything, but...

Couldn't it be that LTE is a CDNOW bestseller for weeks now just because
you don't get it anywhere else because of MC's bad distribution?

Or that DT's on the top of UBL's list because everyone's in panic and wants
to know why, when, and where they split up? (No, they didn't!)

Just a thought, prove me wrong.

Steffen

--
Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:40:24 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Flaming Arman (TM)
Message-ID: <85afa237.35cef849@aol.com>
Ok people, he stated his opinion(s) loudly, obnoxiously and like a 12 year old
who didnt get to have a turn with the hula hoop, but there is really no need
to sink to his level and continue this shit. Yes, he was being a dick, or
whatever the term is now... flaming uretha or whatever, but its reeeaaallllyy
geting old. Now I love a good flame war as much as the next jammer :} but can
we just drop this one please?
~Lisa
DragynLMC3@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html
"That was non, non non, non heinous!" ~Ted "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey"
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:35:56 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Age of Impact at # 6 
Message-ID: <9808101335.AA05902@jason.qc.ca>
i went to the big store here in Quebec City at HMV and i saw AoI at best_sellers # 6
and when i was there they where playing it on the loudspeakers.
rj
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:20:45 +0200
From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4147
Message-ID: <01bdc46a$109f6160$2e8535d4@shanahan>
I will come to USA for a year and that I like music very much. Now that I
have about 400 CD's I don't want to part with all. I want to take some, but
I have to be careful about weight and space, Is their a concept somebody had
good experience with??
Also, apart from the stunt guitarist (I guess you have) who has tried to
play the key intro on guitar??
Schnipp
I think it's time for a change.....
Take the Time,Dream Theater
since I'll be moving please get used to
Schnipp@bigfoot.com and remove the vossnet address from your
addressbooks
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:26:15 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: flame
Message-ID: <35CF0307.8CD86E2E@bdm.com>
Pure flame bait...
> --------------6EBDCD165AFA0F5F97F59CAF
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="7.txt"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="7.txt"
> 
> Hello, here is Arman (Arash's brother)
Learn how to send an email without all the above crap in it.
> The production quality of Apocolokyntosys CD is superb.
> Empty Tremor have produced the album by them self and it's amazing
> because
> they where young teenagers.
> 
> Look at Dream Theater. How much money have they spent to work with
> Kevin
> "suckman" Sheirly and what's the result ->> pure alternative sound.
This is pure bullshit. You are saying the whole cd sounds like Pearl 
Jam, Nirvana, or whoever? You really have no clue. If Pearl Jam, 
Nirvana, etc sounded like FII I'd be a fan of alternative. Alas, 
alternative sounds nothing like FII. FII is not alternative.
> 
> Falling Into Infinity is the worst DT album. Here in German magazins
> it becomes the lowest notes, Dream Theater ever have become.
> Actually, I'm in more than 6 maling lists and every one is flaming
> about Dream Theater's
> SELL OUT WITH FALLING INTO INFINITY and that's the truth.
Its too bad that you are on this list.
> I always thought, Dream Theater are agianst confirmity but Falling
> Into...
> sounding total 90's like, the songs are not complex and this sucks.
> When Dream And Day Unite, Images And Words and Awake are much much
> better than
> Falling Into Infinity. 
I dont think DT wanted to be AC/DC and put out the same album 
everytime. Sorry.
> 
> The same gose to Rush. In the 70's they've made great music. In the
> 80's they went
> to radio commercial songs. In the 90's (Test For The Echo) they went
> alternative.
If Rush and DT were so alternative, they would be on the radio and
on eMpTyV all the time, but if you had a clue, you would know that 
they are not on the radio or eMpTyV all the time.
> But you all rave about them because you are blind and will love
> eveyrthing they make.
Hey, dont rag on Damon...
> What about if Rush will play on a Nirvana tribute ?
It would never happen.
> 
> You are not a Progressive Metal fan, you are a Dream Theater fan.
> You will buy all their records and will love it only because it's
> Dream Theater.
Do you know anything about Adam? All he was saying is that since DT
came along, a lot of bands hopped on the bandwagon, and some of them
have DT as an influence and they may try to sound like DT but can't
really come close.
> My brother Arash has the Japan version of Falling Into ... and the
> bonus CD
> has the song "Speak To Me". Man, suck this song or what ?
Sorry, I dont suck songs.
> This is the worst song I've ever heard from a prog metal band.
> I can't belive Mike Portnoy plays on this song.
DT has never said they were a prog metal band. They are a metal band
first. Their influences include Kansas, Rush, Yes, Metallica, King
Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Zeppelin, etc... Portnoy is a big fan
of Zappa. All these bands are not prog metal and in fact most of them
aren't even metal.
> U2 + alternative = Speak To Me 
> Bon Jovi + alternative = You Not Me
> Elton "GAY" John + Beatles = Anna Lee
> Metalica + Pink Floyd = Preuvien Skies
> Alternative + hard rock = Cover My Eyes
Can you say "asshole"?
> 
> OH YEAH THAT's CREATIVITY AND EMPTY TREMOR SUCK BECAUSE THEY MAKE PROG
> AT IT'S BEST !
That is your opinion.
> 
> >Hmmm, so why is it I've heard about 20 bands (Altura, Mayadome, Lemur
> >Voice) doing their best Metropolis Part 1 impressions but no bands
> that
> >can match the beauty of Learning to Live or Trial of Tears? I know
> many
> >people think Metropolis is DT's best instrumental work but that's a
> >product of mostly technical talent and not song-writing. I think LTL
> >stands up better over time.
> 
> WAKE UP. 1994 (Awake) is over. Now you have prog killers like
> You Not me, Burning My Soul, Take Away My pain, and Anna Lee. Ha ha
> ha.
> You can't compare Falling Into Infinity with masterworks like Symphony
> X's 
> Divine Wings Of Tragedy or Empty Tremor's Apocolokyntosys.
You can compare anything you want. I enjoy DT's slow songs. That is
what separates them from a lot of other bands. It isn't one huge power
chordfest.
> 
> Bands like Empty Tremor, Power Of Omen or Symphony X are making much
> better music
> than Falling Into Infinity.
your opinion
> I just hope that DT will not end like Queensryche or Metallica.
> I'm 100 % sure that their next album will not sell as much as Falling
> Into ...
> because so many prog fans have been dissapionted.
> 
You just seem to be in love with Empty Tremor. I guess you love Hanson
as well...
-- 
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|          "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files           |
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:21:27 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sym X question
Message-ID: <35CF01E7.552E76F5@goodnet.com>
Are their any differences in the two different versions of Twilight In Olympus?
CD NOW lists a normal version for something like $25 and a Japanese version for
well over $30... Bonus tracks?
-- 
~Michael Kizer                      <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538>
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com
>>>               Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream               <<<
>>>      Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books       <<<
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:23:48 -0500
From: "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Progmetal album of the year?
Message-ID: <000d01bdc46a$b03b5da0$43c8fecd@trevin>
>Anyway,
>
>I was hanging out with a few YtseJammers on Saturday night (uh... that
>would be Dave "PixelPlanet" Thomas, Kim Thomas, Carol Dellinger, Lisa Marie
>Peterson, Chris Ptacek, James Thorpe, and Matt Guillory) and we had the
>pleasure of hearing a certain soon-to-be released CD:
>
>                 Dali's Dilemma "Manifesto For Futurism"
>
>All I can say that this is the progmetal album you all have been waiting
>for. Be scared. Be very scared. It will blow you away.
<damon mode>you suck! you all suck!  I hate you!!</damon mode>  8)
Trevin Wagner
 UIN 5906625
______________________________________
  "We've made the bed where chaos breeds..."
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 16:56:41 +0200
From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jam in Norway
Message-ID: <199808101456.HAA06390@geocities.com>
Hey there!
I'd like to get in touch with some Norwegian Jammers.. 
If you're out there reading this, just drup me a coupla lines, please :)
Haje
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:03:10 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: arash-arman
Message-ID: <35CF0BAE.3FE95A7B@bdm.com>
Arash wrote:
> Anyway, don't flame at my brother. Everyone has the right to tell his
> opinion.
> 
It is one thing to say an opinion but to revert to slamming the band
that this list is here for just because someone said something
negative about a band of teenagers that he is in love with, is just
way out of line.
-- 
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| Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com                        |
|               Web   : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html   |
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|          "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files           |
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:08:11 +0200
From: "Paul Storimans" <paul.storimans@eclectic.nl>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: STOP SENDING ME THIS SPAMMING SHIT
Message-ID: <01bdc470$b0c00f40$1f14a8c0@station-01.eclectic.nl>
STOP SENDING ME THIS SPAMMING SHIT, TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD DO TO STOP THIS
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:09:12 +0200
From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sym X question
Message-ID: <35CF0D18.5291B700@hm.telia.no>
Hello !
Michael Kizer wrote:
>=20
> Are their any differences in the two different versions of Twilight In =
Olympus?
> CD NOW lists a normal version for something like $25 and a Japanese ver=
sion for
> well over $30... Bonus tracks?
No, the songs are all the same on both versions. The only difference is
that the Japanese version has a paper cover embracing the jewel case
(sorry, don`t know what it`s called in English), and the cd comes along=20
with a Sy X postcard and a Sy X sticker.
Bye,
    Bj=F8rnar,
            Norway !
NP: Trivial Act- Mindscape (one of the best prog metal releases of 1997)
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:10:49 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:  Progmetal album of the year ?
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980810081049.00ab8100@mail.legato.com>
Rick Audet spoke the truth thusly:
>I was hanging out with a few YtseJammers on Saturday night (uh... that
>would be Dave "PixelPlanet" Thomas, Kim Thomas, Carol Dellinger, Lisa Marie
>Peterson, Chris Ptacek, James Thorpe, and Matt Guillory) and we had the
>pleasure of hearing a certain soon-to-be released CD:
>
   >              Dali's Dilemma "Manifesto For Futurism"
>
>All I can say that this is the progmetal album you all have been waiting
>for. Be scared. Be very scared. It will blow you away.
Yuppers!  He's right!  We also had a chance to listen to another soon to be
released CD...um, uh, something by the name of Tyranny?  And the new Dali's
Dilema: Manifesto for Futurism has just replaced it as my carry everywhere,
play it at work and drive my co-workers crazy, CD!  I played that thing
over and over and over yesterday.  Look Out World and get in line now to
buy this cd when it's released.
Coldfire
GalleryMistress@dreamt.org	
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List
galleryofshadows@coollist.com
http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....."  Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:28:15 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Set List from Hampton Beach, NH  8/4/98
Message-ID: <717B37282A06D2119390006008A18E0602195A@GLENLEVIT>
Hey all,
Here is the set list from Hampton Beach, NH on August 4, 1998:
ACOS I - The Crimson Sunrise / 
ACOS II - Innocence
Puppies on Acid /
Just Let Me Breathe
New Millennium
6:00
Under a Glass Moon
Hollow Years
keyboard solo (Tarkus) /
Lines in the Sand
Caught In a Web /
drum solo
Peruvian Skies (Have a Cigar / Enter Sandman) /
guitar solo (Paradigm Shift / Flight of the Bumblebee)
Pull Me Under
--encore--
Metropolis I / 
Learning To Live /
ACOS VII - The Crimson Sunset (A Fortune in Lies teaser at end)
The running time for the show was approximately 110 minutes.
-------------------------------
Now...
In response to the 525 ytse-Damon-jam digests I've received in the 
past week:
Damon - As the old quote goes, "Words must be weighed, not counted."
I understand you have a lot to contribute to the 'jam.  But, at the same
time, you must realize that not everyone wants to read a jam with
20 posts from Damon, and 1 from the other 2,000 jammers out there.
Ashourihas - As James LaBrie says on the DTIFC 1997 CD in the right
channel
during the Burning My Soul vocal tracks, "Take your thoughts and your
words and shove them where the sun don't shine... ahhhhh ... you fuckin'
bastards".
I think you two should change your web site title to:
CHOKE ON A BIG FAT DICK AND DIE - The Close Minded Music Page
I normally don't like to flame other jammers, but sometimes I can't
tolerate your bullshit.  I know I'm speaking for a lot of jammers in
saying that.
Now, to flame you two without the unnecessary swearing:
Arash said:
>You hear inteligent music and thinks that makes you an inteligent
>person.  If it's so, please don't start a flame war eveytime someone 
>has other opinions that you.  That's life.
Yes, it is okay to have different opinions, but it's the way that you
two
convey your opinions that pisses everyone off on this list.
And, you're somewhat hypocritical about saying "You hear intelligent
music and you think that makes you an intelligent person." because
you appear more than ready to criticize someone for not listening to
only progressive metal or progressive rock.  You guys have to stop
thinking that "Simple music is for simple people."  It's not.  Instead,
you should have the mindset:  "All music is for all people."  Because
it is.
Arman said:
>You are not a Progressive Metal fan, you are a Dream Theater fan.
>You will buy all their records and will love it only because it's 
>Dream Theater.  My brother Arash has the Japan version of Falling 
>Into ... and the bonus CD has the song "Speak To Me". Man, suck 
>this song or what ?
Who really _cares_ if someone likes DREAM THEATER and not
progressive metal?  WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ONLY LIKE ONE
STYLE OF MUSIC?  Open your mind and learn to appreciate all
forms of music.
- Why is it such a big deal to you guys if Dream Theater wrote a
song that was influenced by U2?
- Why can't you like songs done by Dream Theater that were 
influenced by a non-progressive artist?
Before you start criticizing DT music, ask yourself why you are
criticizing it.  And don't give me an answer like, "Because it's
not Dream Theater."  It IS Dream Theater.  They wrote it.
When are you going to understand this?
Sure, I enjoy listening to Dream Theater because their music 
is energetic and entertaining, but at the same time, I find other 
artists such as Tori Amos, Sting, Queensryche, The Who, and 
Dave Matthews Band have tapped into a creative outlet I can
really get into.  I feel deeply sorry for you if you don't have 
the ability to step outside the boundaries of progressive metal 
because you don't know what you are missing.
-------------------------------
- Bogie
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:35:06 -0300
From: Gilberto Bressan Junior <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsemeeting Brazil I
Message-ID: <35B541CA.5489@sti.com.br>
To Daniel & Roger ...
I missed some posts, (I configured my girl's pc to get my emails..), but
now it's ok, and I got the last ones...
I agree with Roger that we can meet before the show and after !
I received an email from Gabriel and he told me that he agreed with the
meeting too..
Meeting at Aqualung is ok for me..and I liked the idea of discounts on
DT stuff! (especially bootlegs!) hey Daniel could you really talk to
the  owner? :)
BTW, where did you guys get the information of DT on Monters of Rock,
who's also on the bill ? Manowar ? Judas Priest ?
Please let me know!
..and just not forget the food issue on the Ytsemeeting  :)
		
Gilberto Bressan Junior gbressanjr@sti.com.br
(but you can call me Giba!)
NP  James Murphy - Convergence
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