YTSEJAM Digest 4164
Today's Topics:
1) What's going on in here lately?!?
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
2) nothing but flames
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
3) Re: Jones Beach
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
4) DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
5) AZTEC JADE
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
6) Re: Ytsemeeting Brazil I
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) Re: DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
8) Re: Dream Theater at Great Woods
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
9) Mike Portnoy Clinic in Sterling, VA
by krackley@weidmuller.com
10) NDTC -- LA Help!
by "Ryan Roehrich" <ryansr@primenet.com>
11) Derek
by "Vince French" <vfrench@hotmail.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4163
by Jason Earle <026831@bah.com>
13) Christmas CDs
by "Sami Poimala" <spoimala@verso.st.jyu.fi>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4157
by Angellaa@aol.com
15) Ytsefootball is here!!!
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4157
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4157
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:13:04 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What's going on in here lately?!?
Message-ID: <35CF4640.98434315@netvision.net.il>
Hi there yet once again,
What's been going on in the jam lately? I'm on ack mode and have been
getting about 10 messages per hour. This means about 5 jams a day! And
most of it is genuine crap! the Ashouria flames, the Damonjam and the
flaming Derek or Derek vs Kevin shit. If I wanted recycled threads and
flame wars I'd be reading alt.music.dream-theater. The jam's supposed to
be a place of real, intersesting and most important, NEW threads.
Really. If you have nothing better to say, shut the fuck up!
Actually, this phrase reminds me of my ex-english teacher. About two
years ago, I pissed her a lot and she broke up, yelling: "SHAI! SHUT THE
FUCK UP!" (she's from Bruklin originally). One year later she retired
and never teached again...
Now back to the topic:
Damon, you don't have to reply to every Derek vs Kevin post. So you are
a keyboard player. But you don't see us all replying to all of the post.
Some advise: read all of the related posts. Then reply to the main
subject. Currently, you're writing the same shit 17 times per jam and
frankly I'm sick'n'tired of it.
And I thought Derek asked to stop the goddamn thread...
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing".
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:12:55 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: nothing but flames Message-ID: <35CFC4C7.1E3@fh-niederrhein.de>
Arman wrote :
> Look at Dream Theater. How much money have they spent to work with > Kevin > "suckman" Sheirly and what's the result ->> pure alternative sound.
Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com> wrote :
>This is pure bullshit. You are saying the whole cd sounds like Pearl >Jam, Nirvana, or whoever? You really have no clue. If Pearl Jam, >Nirvana, etc sounded like FII I'd be a fan of alternative. Alas, >alternative sounds nothing like FII. FII is not alternative.
Hey Pat, I totaly agree with you. FII is a great album.
I can't help myself but Grugne is the music Nirvana and Pearl Jam are doing. Alternative music is the music Therapy ?, Smashing Punpkins or Radiohead.
Eckie wrote :
>>FII is sounding total 90's like, > >That's cuz it was written and recorded in the 1990's, dillhole. :) >What'd you expect, a 2034-sounding album? :P
Well, I also think that the sound of FII is a bit too 90's like. I mean "Images And Words" is from 1992 and "Awake" is from 1994 but the sound of these album isn't 90's like. This is of course ONLY my opinion.
>You guys have to stop thinking that "Simple music is for simple people." >It's not. Instead, you should have the mindset: "All music is for all people." > Because it is.
Well, I listen to all kind of good music: Soul, RMB, pop, rock, hardrock, new age, classic, jazz, metal and my brother Arman dose the same. Sometimes he is a bit too hard while telling his opinion. He is 16, so I'm sure he will learn.
ANYWAY, PLEASE END THE FLAME WARS AND LET's TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MORE INTERESTING.
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:13:07 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Jones Beach Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980810160531.15622B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com wrote:
[On Carl Palmer's drum solo] > Ive never heard anyone do a double bass faster than what he did last > night.
Well, I (obviously) don't know what was the speed of CP's double bass, and when someone is playing live, they're always in a stress situation, which helps to make some things even more extreme, BUT the fastest double bass that I've ever heard is recorded in Emperor's "Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk" (wow, it's been a while since I last read anything about black metal on the Jam).
That double bass almost sounds like a constant noise. In fact that album has the fastest drumming I've ever heard. :-)
> Plus closing with Tarkus in its entirety :-).
Unbelievable. That beginning is simply incredible (and sick).
> Encore began with 21st Century SChizoid Man by King Crimson which made > me happy :-)
If I'm not mistaken, ELP did an studio cover of "21st Century Schizoid Man". Again, if I'm not mistaken, it was released in their box set.
[]s, Roger..
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:14:17 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM Message-ID: <35CFC519.3F4@fh-niederrhein.de>
calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) wrote :
> anyways its funny how Arash turned against Dt the minute you criticized > the quality on the empty tremor cassette.. > ok let me rectify myself, besides the obvous typo with the name, well i > quoted the wrong person on the email message...
Yes. It should be Arman instead of Arash.
The REAL funny thing is that everbody is start flaming at Empty Tremor the minute my brother Arman said that FII sucks.
And Clinton is saing that the stupid terrorists are against USA because it stays for DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM.
Now I ask you, don't you think everyone should have the chance to say what he likes to say (opinion, tastes) without being called "Motherfucker", "Asshole" and shits like that ?
You guys compare Empty Tremor with Hanson just because Arman says something you don't like. I don't agree with him but I don't flame at him.
I say "Do, think and say what you like" and I do it the way I like"
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:16:08 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AZTEC JADE Message-ID: <35CFC588.FC8@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I just want to say that AZTEC JADE from USA is a really great prog band. Fans of DT, Fates Warning, Enchant or Rush should probebly like their music.
The album "Frame Of Mind" is really great. Check them out. Some of the melodies and breaks reminds me of WDADU.
NP : Tales From Yesterday - A Tribute To Yes (I love this CD)
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:20:16 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Ytsemeeting Brazil I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980810161427.15622D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Cassiano P. Barbosa wrote:
> P.S.: Just heard the new Sepultura single, "Choke". Really impressive. > Whoever likes heavy stuff should check it out. Big balls and chunk! > Still miss the solos, tho.
Whoa! You're alive!
Anyway, Sepultura isn't exactly the place I'd look (or hear, for that matter) :-) for when I'd like to listen to some solos. :-) If you know what I mean (granted, Andreas sounded in their beginning like a faster Kirk "Hamster"). :-))
But a cool thing was to listen to that guy play Steve Howe's "Mood for a Day" some months ago on the now deceived Tatuape FM 89.5. I should have recorded that event (he also played a "Kaiowas" and other cool things).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:40:06 -0300 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM Message-ID: <35CF3E85.C05C1B07@caribe.net>
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) wrote : > > > anyways its funny how Arash turned against Dt the minute you criticized > > the quality on the empty tremor cassette.. > > ok let me rectify myself, besides the obvous typo with the name, well i > > quoted the wrong person on the email message... > > Yes. It should be Arman instead of Arash. > > The REAL funny thing is that everbody is start flaming at Empty Tremor the minute > my brother Arman said that FII sucks.
Well.. actually thats also true, I hadnt seen a single post saying bad things about ET before Arman's message.. so that kind of goes to prove the glass houses/rocks thing...
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:44:47 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater at Great Woods Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980810124446.006fde68@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 05:52 AM 8/10/98 -0700, Josh wrote: >Thanks for the great show Mike, James, John, John, an Derek! >:-) > >Go and see this tour! Get the tickets. Now! What are you waiting for?
I'm waiting for the damn tour to COME THROUGH ARIZONA!!!! Damnit.
=)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:26:29 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: Mike Portnoy Clinic in Sterling, VA Message-ID: <199808102026.QAA00140@mail.weidmuller.com>
Hey jammers,
I'm going to the Mike Portnoy clinic at Melodee Music in Sterling, VA on Wednesday, September 30th. I wanted to know if anybody wanted to go with me. I live in the Richmond, VA area. I haven't made it to any concerts yet, so I haven't been able to meet any jammers and thought this would be a good chance. Send private e-mail if you're interested.
Later,
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) LTE - Liquid Tension Expirement 2.) Queensryche - Promised Land 3.) Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys 4.) Tori Amos - from the choirgirl hotel 5.) Modern Drummer MD HOT TRAX 6.) Dream Theater - When Dream and James Unite (disc one)
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:11:44 -0700 From: "Ryan Roehrich" <ryansr@primenet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC -- LA Help! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980810111144.0083a210@pop.primenet.com>
Starting this week I'll be out in LA till a little bit after Labor Day. Since this is my first visit to out there and I am going out on company business I'll prob. be a bit bored. Anyone care to suggest some places to see or things to do? General tips about what to do or not to do would be helpful also. Any good shows going on? How's the public trans system? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks! Ryan
ps..email to avoid cluttering the jam with this
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:42:22 PDT From: "Vince French" <vfrench@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek Message-ID: <19980810204222.7357.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey all,
Some people seem to be missing the point. My original post wasn't about his sexuality, which is of really no importance to me. I would love Dream Theater just as much if they were all homosexual, or if they practiced bestiality (although it would be pretty sick! :). That wasn't the point. The point was just the unprofessionalism he exhibited in mentioning such banalities. There was no use for it. That's all. Hey, I still like the guy, and love the band. I was just disppointed that's all. Maybe all of them are like that..but he's the only one who mentioned it.
On another note, FII is the first DT album on which there is a song (two as a matter of fact) that I feel compelled to skip all the time. TAMP and AL are the two songs that I usually always skip. Just don't really enjoy them I guess. AL kinda sounds like a George Michael special. And TAMP just never really captivated me. I like HY though. The rest is excellent. Especially PS and TOT...I think I prefer TOT to LiTS. Of course, I can't wait for Metropolis II. Does anyone know when that is coming out?????? I heard a clip, and it pretty much seems to rock!!
Vince
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:42:26 +0000 From: Jason Earle <026831@bah.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4163 Message-ID: <35CF22F2.324C966E@bah.com>
> With a short look I noticed that my last post was a little fucked in > the > end. I eating my brains it seems. > I meant the intro of 6:00 on guitar. > Schnipp
I can play it, but not as fluidly as it sounds on Awake. What do you want to know? The tabs for the song on the Awake book took a little getting used to, but just tap the chords with your attack hands. I don't have a guitar in front of me, so I honestly can't tell you what I do with the pick, cuz it sure does get in the way.
Hope this helps a little...
Da Looooooeeeeeeee
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:46:01 +0300 From: "Sami Poimala" <spoimala@verso.st.jyu.fi> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Christmas CDs Message-ID: <000901bdc49f$e2c57f00$6ebfea82@spnet.ainola.jyu.fi>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:57:56 EDT From: Angellaa@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4157 Message-ID: <67a22bbe.35cf5ed6@aol.com>
if anyone wishes to speak to me about fates warning please email me privately if you have any knowledge of fates...also if you have any knowledge of dt or kevin moore and his chroma key project...email me i'd like to speak to you about the4se topics...
angella
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsefootball is here!!! Message-ID: <199808102104.RAA24358@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Now is the time to sign up for the ESPN Fantasy Football '98 season. I've created our group. The name of the league is "Ytsejam Fantasy Football". The password for access is "kevmo". hehe :)
Please get signed up soon. We all had a blast last year. It's only $29.95 and well worth it. You also get full access to the rest of the ESPN site during the season - meaning you get all of the bonus crap like videos and soundclips and stuff.
What are you waiting for?!
http://games-espn.sportszone.com/ffl/tour/index.html
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4157 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980810140547.20779A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 Angellaa@aol.com wrote:
> >if anyone wishes to speak to me about fates warning please email me privately >if you have any knowledge of fates...also if you have any knowledge of dt or >kevin moore and his chroma key project...email me i'd like to speak to you >about the4se topics...
I have some knowledge about Fates Warning, DT and a little about Chroam Key. What would you like to know?
> >angella >
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4157 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980810140645.20779B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
My bad. sorry.
--Matt
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