YTSEJAM Digest 4168
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Why have I been so philosophical lately? This sucks.
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) re: Expensive Bootlegs for Sale
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
3) song of the millenium (let's vote for DT)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
4) birthday/MB/BM
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
5) Re: Re: YOU FUCKING IDIOTS, READ THIS
by Evan and Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
6) Help!
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
7) DT IN BRAZIL AND BRAZILIAN JAMMERS GET TOGETHER!
by Adriana Califano <acalifano@chubb.com>
8) Re: Test, plus Ayreon news
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
9) Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!
by Eddy Huisman <Eddy_Huisman@compuserve.com>
10) RE: Double Bass
by krackley@weidmuller.com
11) 6:00, AOI
by Brandansh@aol.com
12) DEREK : THE FINAL WORD
by NckyLemons@aol.com
13) Re: Ytsemeeting Brazil I
by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br>
14) PLEASE
by ROBERTO DAVID RODRIGUEZ SAID <al766079@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
15) Learning to "Love" songs
by "Vince French" <vfrench@hotmail.com>
16) Interview with John Myung
by Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
17) dumb ass idiot...
by "Frank Benenati" <fmb@emeraldlink.com>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:36:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Why have I been so philosophical lately? This sucks.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980811023040.28402C-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, KorgX3 wrote:
>
> >Why should someone "learn" to enjoy something? If you don't like it, you
> >don't like it. Why brainwash yourself? That's just stupid.
>
> How can you like something if you don't try it? Eh? Duh? :P Really,
> there's alot of stuff that I force myself to enjoy. And why? Here's
> something for you to ponder:
>
> It's symbolic of an open-minded individual.
As James Bennet once said: "It's good to be open-minded. But not so much
so that your brain falls out."
I have no problem with giving things a chance. I've given Fates Warning
many chances. I kept giving metal a chance until I heard something that
clicked (which was Megadeth). What I'm saying is, to browbeat yourself
over and over with something, until it's so ingrained that you can't
dislike it anymore, just because other people say it's great
seems stupid to me (and I think people who are into prog do this a lot,
but that's neither here nor there).
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:49:00 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Expensive Bootlegs for Sale
Message-ID: <35D075FC.5D5B@fh-niederrhein.de>
whoknows@cashnet.com wrote :
Subject: Expensive Bootlegs for Sale
>You got no friends, you got fun ?
>Listen to ARASH and you'll see the sun ....
<<<From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bootleg CD's for sale
>DREAM THEATER - LIVE AND ALIVE II 1992
>Yes. METROPOLIS I with Charlie Dominici on vocals.<<<<
>Thanx for the info. But .....
<<<Each CD costs 35 DM (Original price) which is about 20 $<<<
>Live & Alive is still on sale for DM 12 / 15 which is around
>$ 7 / 9 and NOT $20 .......
Wait a minute, you don't belive that I've paid 35 DM for each CD ???
Shold I send you the RECEIPT ?
Sure it's possible that you can find them somewhere else for 12 DM but
that's only luck.
I've paid for my LIE maxi CD inc To Live Forever 5 DM which is about 3 $ !!!
But months later I've bought a 2nd copy for 40 DM which is about 25 $ !!!
It's all about luck.
NP : Enchant - Time Lost <-- Just incredible esp "Mettle Man"
Arash
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:49:41 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: song of the millenium (let's vote for DT)
Message-ID: <35D07625.549A@fh-niederrhein.de>
Ok jammers,
Lets stop flaming each other and do something for DT.
There's a vote goning on the net for the best song of the millenium.
THE URL IS : http://www.listen.to/best.song?
There you can find the best 500 songs people have vote allready.
A Change Of Season is somewhere in place 350 or so.
I've also found, Ytsejam and Take The Time in the chart but far far away from the top.
Let's vote for some DT songs.
We should choose 2-3 DT songs and we should all vote for the same song.
I'M NOT SHURE HOW MANY SONGS YOU CAN VOTE FOR.
How about this :
A Change Of Season
Learning To Live
Metropolis I
Suggestions ?
NP : Enchant - Time Lost
Arash
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| PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page |
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| DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY |
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| http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ |
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| The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site |
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| http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ |
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| by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de |
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:25:32 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: birthday/MB/BM
Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C341E27AB9@ms.kallback.com>
> From: Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
> >NEW DREAM THEATER 2CD LIVE ALBUM, ONCE IN A LIVETIME& HOME VIDEO, 5
> YEARS IN A
> >LIVETIME COMING OCT. 27th, 1998.
> *******************
> that's someone's birthday!!! woooohoooo! :-)))) the best pressie one
> could get (apart from the band actually playing at your birthday party
>
It's my birthday too!!! (33)
> Would Hollow Years be still a great song if it would be from
> Michael Bolten and not DT ?***
Shit yeah! I love MB and I don't care who knows. I also love Barry
Manilow.
Seriously.
~Trevor
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:52:38 +1000
From: Evan and Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Re: YOU FUCKING IDIOTS, READ THIS
Message-ID: <35D00656.C2EF1D3E@mira.net>
>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Dr. Mosh wrote:
>>Turn off your goddamn MIME and HTML.
>hrm. So you think that, by cussing at the problem, it will magically >go
>away? Like, maybe the people who don't know they're in MIME or HTML
>because their readers can read it, or the ones who do know, but don't >know
>how to chage it, will magically know they're annoying the PINE users >and
>then miraculously figger out how to change it. trust me, yelling at a
>problem doesn't make it go away.
>--Matt
Fuck off idiot. Dr Mosh's little note was the best thing I'd read for a
while.
Evan
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 12:51:45 +0200
From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Help!
Message-ID: <199808111051.DAA26058@geocities.com>
Please send me the FAQ for the YTSEJAM, or an explanation on how to
change the address it's sent to.
Thanks in advance, sorry for the abuse of the bandwith.
Haje Jan
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:15:24 -0400
From: Adriana Califano <acalifano@chubb.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT IN BRAZIL AND BRAZILIAN JAMMERS GET TOGETHER!
Message-ID: <35D035DC.7A17@chubb.com>
Howdy people ...
Daniel, what great news! I can not believe DT is really coming to MOR ...
it will be an exactly one year since their first visit to our country -
Yeah!!! This could happen every year, right? ("Hint" M.Portnoy!!!).
I talked to Junior ... eerrr ... Gilberto (my boyfriend) and that is ok
to meet before, during and after MOR - just set a date and place ok?
Roger, congrats for the set up of our Brazilian own list ... let s talk
about our little get together there ...
See ya guys ...
DrEaM tHeAtEr RuLeS !
ADRIANA
-- Adriana Califano mailto:acalifano@chubb.com The Chubb Corporation http://www.chubb.com/------------------------------
Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:14:51 +0200 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Test, plus Ayreon news Message-ID: <tku7m0fepn8.fsf@zussun4.desy.de>
Hi there...
> Dear Ayreon fans, =A0 today I have uploaded a COMPLETE new > Ayreon song, called Isis and Osiris. It is the first song of > 'Into the Electric Castle', with a total running time of 14 > mins 15 seconds. It is uploaded both in mp3 and RealAudio
Can you please tell us where this official site is? I couldn't find it anywhere. Thanks.
Jason
-- Jason T. Breitweg Jason.Breitweg@desy.de http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg ICQ# 7495933
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:38:30 -0400 From: Eddy Huisman <Eddy_Huisman@compuserve.com> To: The Ytse Bunch <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: Ytseowner <ytsejam-owner@ax.com> Subject: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! Message-ID: <199808110838_MC2-55C3-7A15@compuserve.com>
Hi there Ytse Bunch,
Before I actually have to be taken away in my straightjacket I could use some help with the following problem. I am trying to send mail to this li= st with my other account and it never shows up. I also tried subscribing wit= h it but the only way to subscribe was using the account I'm using now and then send a command to listserv to change it. =
The address I'm trying to use for the jam is Ytseddy@carpe-diem.demon.nl.=
Would anyone have any idea why the mail I send with this account is never=
showing up on the jam and why I could not subscribe with it? Or does the list only accept flames at this moment <G>
Thanx in advance for your help,
Ytseddy
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:08:09 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: RE: Double Bass Message-ID: <199808111308.JAA00166@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Roger wrote: > > That double bass almost sounds like a constant noise. In fact that > album has the fastest drumming I've ever heard. (Emperor).
Yes Roger, Trym is fast on double bass. Even Faust on In the Nightside Eclipse was pretty fast. But you people have got to hear Virgil Donati. He sets a new standard for intricate and fast double bass drumming.
Nuff said.
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite 2.) Tool - Undertow 3.) Jan Hammer - Beyond the Mind's Eye 4.) Magna Carta - Working Man Rush Tribute 5.) KISS - Alive II (disc one) 6.) Dream Theater - When Dream and James Unite (disc two)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:58:37 EDT From: Brandansh@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 6:00, AOI Message-ID: <2bf5c5ea.35d03ffe@aol.com>
hi, Jason, I was just curios if anybody tries to do the scary (for guitar)key parts, not just the unisono licks. Anyhow, on AOI, what made me not like it in the firstplace is the thing another pointed out. I was listing on phones and reading the lyrics, and even I (German) thought this is crap. Nice idea, but even I good do better lyrics. Musically it's ok, but the solo's don't really interact. You know what I mean?? In DT, if somebody does a solo the others sort of answer and give something back. On AOI I think JP plays well, but the rest is doing mostly the same every bar. I lost some jams, van someone send me Derek's message. Although I haven't read it I think, he has a life, so has everybody else. All you flamers don't you have your own things to watch and care about. Get a life. Grow up. just my .30 pfennig schnipp
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:12:16 EDT From: NckyLemons@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DEREK : THE FINAL WORD Message-ID: <b657c685.35d04331@aol.com>
Hello people!
I am glad to see that I have added some piss 'n vinegar to this board !
Let me just say this to you people that doubt my dedication to music.......I have been studying piano since I was 5 years old. I have been playing in bands since I was 11, I recieved my full scholarship to Berklee at 16, I got my first world class gig when I was 23. And today, I take lessons , and train on my instrument like an athlete training for the olympics in order to play at peak performance............this is who I am.
One thing you have to understand is that Dream Theater had the pick of the litter of keyboardist after Kevin quit. They toured with me for 6 months before they made me a member...do you think for one minute that the other 4 guys would have brought me in their world creatively if they didn't believe in me and my abilites? Ponder that .
You can be a dedicated musician, and have the time of your life simultaneously ...TRUST ME !!! :)
For the last 4 years, I have read many character assinations about me and I have developed thick skin. ...you should try having you life under a microscope sometime !.........
I also want to take the time to thank all of you who have been coming to the shows in spite of our short set. You are the best!!!
peace, Derek
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:38:47 -0300 From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Ytsemeeting Brazil I Message-ID: <199808111342.KAA22351@patachou.sti.com.br>
Cassiano says: I wouldn't know where Roger or Daniel got the information about the presence of DT in this year's Monsters of Rock, but I read on today's newspaper (Folha) that it's VERY likely that OFB is indeed performing in the festival, which will happen on September, 12th. But, again, we still don't have any OFFICIAL information. Other bands that are scheduled to come: Soulfly, Slayer (2 'enemy' bands on the same bill!), Judas Priest, Manowar, Korzus and, if everything goes well, Van Halen.
I say: Cassiano, it's almost 99% confirmed, and we're being a little faithful here. I've also heard from friends that are working in the production of this festival. And, yes, I can try to get discounts on CDs if we meet there. All the DT fans are invited... :)
Take care
Daniel
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:49:20 -0500 (CDT) From: ROBERTO DAVID RODRIGUEZ SAID <al766079@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> Subject: PLEASE Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980811084718.23290A-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
Somebody tell how i can get my address erased from this list!!!!
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:02:12 PDT From: "Vince French" <vfrench@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Learning to "Love" songs Message-ID: <19980811140213.8438.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I can't remember who was saying that I could "learn" to like AL and TAMP. I understand what you're saying, because I didn't like DT at first....actually, I hated it. This was back when I&W had just come out, and I had heard PMU. When I first heard that song, I was like "Man, that is a cool song, but I can sense there's something different about this band". And I was right, but I had never really listened to intense prog before, so I found myself blown away, and a bit confused at times as to what the hell was going on. But I kept listening to it, and soon enough I couldn't get enough of it, and bought everything they ever produced. I guess something as intense as DT, especially when you've never really been into prog before, takes some getting used to. I'm a musician, so it's not because I couldn't appreciate the musicianship, it was because I didn't know the songs, and at the time, they seemed to be chaotic. Now, they still seem chaotic, but an Organized Chaos... :)
So my point is, I have given TAMP and AL a chance, and I have decided that I don't really like them. That's why I skip them. Even though I hate comparing, it's human nature to compare, and anyone who says he/she doesn't compare is lying through their teeth. So, naturally, I was subconsciously comparing AL to SDV. AL didn't quite give me the feeling that SDV did. SDV is so rich in melody, and has so much emotion, yet so simple. That's what makes it amazing. And I find the way James sings it, the lower voice, is perfect. There's no need for soaring vocals. It would have been overkill. He does it wonderfully. So does everyone for that matter. Perfect example of the ability to underplay when needed to help a song. AL just didn't give me any feeling at all. It sounded like something I'd heard before. It didn't make me sad, or nostalgic, nothing. SDV sounded like nothing I'd heard before. It made me sad, nostalgic, pensive. For me, it really got the feeling across. AL didn't. That's just how I feel. Same for TAMP. It didn't give me anything.
Vince
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:25:05 +0200 From: Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si> To: Ytsejam freaklist <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Interview with John Myung Message-ID: <002101bdc51a$b2491f00$01f008a4@stdevil>
This is the interview with john Myung. I found it while surfing... http://heavymetal.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa013098.htm Part 1 http://heavymetal.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa020698.htm Part 2
Enjoy! -- Sebastjan Videc [sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si ] [... It's full of stars ...] [... Let Light Surround You ...]
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:31:32 -0400 From: "Frank Benenati" <fmb@emeraldlink.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dumb ass idiot... Message-ID: <000101bdc534$bc5d8a20$6a88abc7@fmb_newsalert.newsalert>
Calvin6S@aol.com spoke without thinking:
> > Shut up. Shut up . Fuckin shut up. Shut the fuck up. Quiet. > Ssssh. Smack. > Shut the fucking fuck up, you fuck. - okay I feel better.
Wow!!! You need to find a more intelligent way of getting your point across. Are you a drooling Metallica fan?????
> I'm sorry, but it is fairly obvious that the comprehension level of this > mailing list (in general) is lower than low. Derek said "I play > rock keys and > I like women" to paraphrase and cut through the bullshit. Why did he say > this? You guys asked - what's a prog vs. rock keyboardist and is Derek a > flamer. He answered you. Why flood the board (now bored) with > questions of > his sexuality if you don't (* SNIP USELESS SHIT!*)
I made my flame to Derek very clear! (Yes, it was a flame! Tough shit folks, that's how I feel!) Frankly, I don't care why Derek plays keys or what kind of a keyboardist he is or whether he's Homosexual!. That wasn't the point. Actually, to bring this even more into perspective, I wasn't reading the jams this past week. I haven't read a single post concerning this Derek/Kevin war. Someone mentioned that Derek had a post on the jam and I wanted to read it. I wish I hadn't. What Derek said was condescending and belittling. I'll paraphrase here.... "Jokes on You, cuz I am with countless women every night." What makes it worse, was that Derek gave me the distinct impression that he was in it for the sex and he really didn't care too much about the music. Now, if Derek were playing for Kiss, I could understand that. He's not, though. There are plenty of rock stars out there that started playing music to get laid. Very few of them contact their loyal, hardcore fans and go "nanny nanny goo goo..." Derek did in that post. More so, I am not going to give him extra-special amnesty just because he plays for Dream Theater.
What makes this whole matter worse is the complete lack of tact and intelligence that went into your post. I've been a Jammer for a long, long time. But I consistantly find myself unsubscribing because of childish posts, such as yours. ( i.e. fucking shut up, shut up...slap...shut up...) I wasn't involved in in the dumb flame war about Derek and James. It's kind of hard to argue about who is a better keyboardist. It's hard enough in baseball...and there are stats to back up someone's opinion. In music there are no batting averages or ERA's! So I don't think a Kevin vs Derek war is really worth the bandwidth. But when Derek gets on and says " Hey, I get laid....hahahaha...you dont..." It sort of explains what kind of person Derek is and I wanted to express my distaste for it. Don't like it? pass over the post and read on....
-M O J O M A N
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