YTSEJAM Digest 4170
Today's Topics:
1) to Isaac: Re: freedom of speech
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4168
by "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4169
by "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
4) new ytse-shirt
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
5) Playing with Feeling/Emotion
by Isabotage3@aol.com
6) re: READ THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
7) Calvin ROCKS!!
by "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com>
8) Death Cube K
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
9) Re: DEREK : THE FINAL WORD
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
10) RE: Luke's question
by krackley@weidmuller.com
11) fucking idiots (oh yeah, and original subcon/ad for sale)
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4167
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
13) Rushing
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
14) re: READ THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
15) Way to go Derek!
by Inflammabl@aol.com
16) back with explorers club
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
17) Rush live CD
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
18) DT/DP/ELP Merchandise
by "Scott Sturdivant" <ckssrs@axiomnet.com>
19) song of the millenium (LET'S VOTE FOR DT)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
20) Re: Derek, the final word
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
21) Re: TAMP and Vince
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:19:36 -0700
From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: to Isaac: Re: freedom of speech
Message-ID: <199808111726.KAA24736@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
In ytsejam digest 4167, Isaac wrote:
"Why do you and other people hold DT to a higher standard?
They are a band like any other one"
First of all, Dream Theater are nothing like any other band in the world!
For that statement, you should be tortured and burned alive. Why do fans
put them to a higher standard? Because they aren't expected to take a
"Metallica downfall"! If you think Dream Theater is like any other band in
the world, go listen to Hanson with all the other 12 year old girls like
yourself.
You are a disgrace to this list, and you must perish for it!!
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:28:04 +0000
From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4168
Message-ID: <35D0EF97.6FD495F6@mindspring.com>
ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW ALL THE POSTS THAT REQUIRE A RESPONSE or SOME KIND OF REPLY GET WASHED
OVER FOR THE SAME OLD FLAMING AND ARGUMENTATIVE, ARROGANT BULLSHIT?? Let's all try
reading peoples posts and maybe RESPONDING so people don't have to keep posting the same
comments over and over. THIS IS FUCKIN' RIDICULOUS.
- Scott
http://www.mindspring.com/~ninja
"Whose he?"
"He's an asshole, too, sir."
"I KNEW it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"
"Keep flaming assholes!!!"
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:42:05 +0000
From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4169
Message-ID: <35D0F2DD.9728D904@mindspring.com>
"It's gotta be very easy to turn off HTML in Nutscrape and Eudora as well."
- ARE YOU ON CRACK?
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:44:56 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new ytse-shirt
Message-ID: <35D08318.A2557884@bigfoot.com>
someone posted asking about a new ytsejam shirt. I started working on
one last fall but didn't have the time or money to go through w/it at
the time. Now, I have a little more of both. There's screen shots of the
front and back on my site, and if enough of you show the interest I will
go ahead with a small initial print run and see what happens.
-- ................................................................ Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!------------------------------
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:49:22 EDT From: Isabotage3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Playing with Feeling/Emotion Message-ID: <921feab1.35d08425@aol.com>
Many times I have read a post saying something like this player is lacking emotion. This is probably the biggest insult you could say to a musician or any artist. When someone says an artist lacks emotion, it is akin to calling him a robot. It also indicates that the artist is making his music for another reason besides the fact that he has a passion to make music.
I frequently hear fans of alternative music say that shredders lack emotion. I don't believe that this is true. I think that some people don't understand or cannot connect with a certain kind of music. Everyone has a different way of expressing himself. Because one person does not like the expression or does not get it, does not mean it lacks feeling. Also emotion is not limited to bluesy playing. It is just as easy to fake a blue solo than a shred solo.
I have always thought of music as a vibe. When I'm jamming with someone, I'm not thinking of my sick aunt, my dead cat or world hunger. Wherever that vibe takes me becomes my music. But that may just be me. I don't really try to put emotion into songs. I kinda hope it comes out because I have a passion to create music and enjoy it. Does anyone agree or disagree?
So in summation: please refrain from saying a musician lacks feeling. Say something like- I don't understand what this musician is trying to do or I don't like it.
Isaac
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:44:20 -0700 From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: READ THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS Message-ID: <199808111751.KAA13401@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
umm, am i the only one who agrees with Matt? Quite frankly, just because Mosh is such a fucking computer genius, doesn't mean everyone is. Not everyone knows how to turn off MIME and HTML, so all you braniacs should fuck off. Also, Mosh thinks that since everyone knows him, he could be as arrogant as he wants towards guys like Matt and get away with it. Mosh, if you are reading this, i don't care if you threaten to ban me or flame me, but all i have to say is FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE! if you just stopped acting like a know-it-all wise ass, everything would be cool.
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:52:18 PDT From: "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Calvin ROCKS!! Message-ID: <19980811175218.20182.qmail@hotmail.com>
Quoting Calvin:
> Shut up. Shut up. Fuckin shut up. Shut the fuck up. > Quiet. Sssssh. Smack. Shut the fucking fuck up, > you fuck. - okay I feel better.
hahahahahahahhaaha oh man this has GOT to go into the #1 spot of the YtseQuotes of all time!!!!!!!!!! This is funnier than Jack Nicholson's angry moment in Mars Attacks. Calvin rocks.
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:53:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Death Cube K Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9808111340270.27401-100000@viking.cris.com>
Death Cube Who ?
Oh, that's one of those thingies that psychopath Buckethead plays with. Or something. Yeah well, there was a show listed as Death Cube K which I went to last night, knowing it would be so form of Buckethead appearance. This was at a place called Club Boomerang in San Francisco, by the way. Was it Death Cube K ? Uh... no. Was it Buckethead ? Hell yes. In a nutshell, the performance was Buckethead all by his lonesome... he appeared from out of the DJ booth, walked down the stairway, through the audience of this tiny bar and up onto the stage, slung on his Flying-V guitar, pressed PLAY on the DAT machine, ROCKED DA HOUSE! He played a load of stuff off of the USA version of Giant Robot, a couple of cuts from Colma (on nylon string without accompaniment), various other selections with loads of insanity, while entertaining us with his toys, karate moves, and robot impersonations.
Were there any Jammers present ? Uh.. no. Too bad it was a 21+ show, otherwise maybe that Ptacek character could've gone (since he's in the area visiting his bro). Sorry Chris. :)
Good day,
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:50:20 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DEREK : THE FINAL WORD Message-ID: <01bdc550$81d33500$efe72ac2@elydian>
Amen to that.
========================================== In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ==========================================
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:21:47 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: RE: Luke's question Message-ID: <199808111821.OAA00171@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Luke asked: > > Did anyone actually like Apocolokyntosis?
Yes, I liked it as well Luke. I (my opinion) don't think it sounded just like DT, or just like any other band for that matter, and you're right, Rules of Time is a great song.
Later,
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite 2.) Tool - Undertow 3.) Jan Hammer - Beyond the Mind's Eye 4.) Magna Carta - Working Man Rush Tribute 5.) KISS - Alive II (disc one) 6.) Dream Theater - When Dream and James Unite (disc two)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:06:48 -0500 (CDT) From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: fucking idiots (oh yeah, and original subcon/ad for sale) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980811125904.12617A-100000@mozart.hostway.net>
:Quite frankly, just because Mosh is such a fucking computer genius, :doesn't mean everyone is. Not everyone knows how to turn off MIME :and HTML, so all you braniacs should fuck off. Also, Mosh thinks that
if being a "fucking computer genius" means knowing how to shut off MIME and HTML in your mail programs... that's sad. that's really fucking sad. how hard is it to find the help section of your mail program?! does it take a "fucking computer genious" to read?!? think people, it isn't hard.
**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**DTC**
on a DT related note... i've run into a bit of financial crisis. nothing major, but i'm short on cash. so... i'm willing to part with my original Subcon and Acoustic Dreams. i don't wish to auction these off, but i *would* like to try and recoup my costs for them; i paid $75 a piece for them back in my wannabe-bootcollector days. i'll of course, take the best offer i can find, however.
email me privately if interested. _______________________________________________________________________ Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244 "The alien lab mutt crapped on our universe." - Anonymous
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:11:09 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4167 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980811141109.009aa73c@postoffice.ptd.net>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:37:39 EDT >From: Calvin6S@aol.com >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Re: another one >Message-ID: <4d9d76c.35cfd8a4@aol.com>
>yet another clueless post about Derek: <snip> >There is more to it Its called humor. Get a sense of it.
Hm, ya know, humor is sometimes hard to detect in emails. I didn't notice too many smileys in Derek's. And I don't know him well enough to be able to tell if he was just shitting around or not. So I guess that makes me clueless, huh? Hey, anyway, thank you for correcting my stupidity. I almost forgot why I don't post anymore.
Brian
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:08:28 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rushing Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980811150828.007ffec8@pop.wam.umd.edu>
What's up with the TNMS homepage? It's dead. The same goes for just about all the Rush pages on the Internet -- they're all either dead or haven't been updated in months. Is it some sort of mass depression-related phenomenon?
Curiouser and curiouser.
Brian "Alice" Henderson
=================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ His Faithful Bootleg Page: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/ ===================================
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:36:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: READ THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980811151540.6957A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, MEMKIL wrote:
> > umm, am i the only one who agrees with Matt? > Quite frankly, just because Mosh is such a fucking computer genius, > doesn't mean everyone is. Not everyone knows how to turn off MIME
Actually, it has nothing to do with Mosh being (or posing as) a computer genius. Perhaps the reason he was wording it the way he did was that he's posted it at least 6 or 7 times that I can remember since Skadz (the list owner) had mentioned that HTML/MIME is unacceptable and will rsult in removal from the list.
I would thank Mosh for keeping people like you on the list (who knows why) by telling you that you're doing something wrong. Fine, swearing usally doesn't work, but the other 7 approaches he used didn't either, and it looks like this way caught everyone's attention.......so eat a dick :)
I'd reply to DT content, but there hasn't been any....... :)
-Al
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:36:31 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Way to go Derek! Message-ID: <bac659d.35d09d40@aol.com>
Well, if you didn't just catch it.. Derek made a good post to the jam. I am very happy to see how he wrote it. Very respectible. I hope us jammers are in return. He's an excellent player and has a good outlook on himself and his fans! Later, J
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:07:20 +0200 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: back with explorers club Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980811200720.00696d04@unet.univie.ac.at>
hey all, just wanted to say hello again after my short holiday and that i truely love age of impact, for jps solo kick ass enormously, RULE!! does anyone already have the new enchant (rel dat. in europe 8/31 :( )
"hear the coming attack, send you home in a sack, never gonna come back, you die when you re tied to the tracks" (Purgatory)
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:04:10 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush live CD Message-ID: <35D1224A.6E08@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
The new Rush 3CD live album will be entitled: "Dimlit Stages For All Ages". It will be out Oct .19th
I have this information from a rush fan who has emailed me.
NP : Fates Warning - APSOG LIVE (I've made a audio tape from the video)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:10:25 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <ckssrs@axiomnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT/DP/ELP Merchandise Message-ID: <000801bdc564$160575e0$c9586acf@ckssrs.axiomnet.com>
Hi guys, here's a question for all yall who've been to the current dt shows. Are there any shirts and stuff for sale thats only DT or does it also mention elp and dp? Or, are there any shirts that DO mention DT? If someone could please send me a list of stuff for sale and maybe prices too, I'd be eternally grateful. Well, maybe not eternally...Thanks!
Scott
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:10:38 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: song of the millenium (LET'S VOTE FOR DT) Message-ID: <35D123CE.613C@fh-niederrhein.de>
Ok jammers,
Lets stop flaming each other and do something for DT.
There's a vote goning on the net for the best song of the millenium.
THE URL IS : http://www.listen.to/best.song?
There you can find the best 500 songs people have vote allready.
A Change Of Season is somewhere in place 350 or so. I've also found, Ytsejam and Take The Time in the chart but far far away from the top.
Let's vote for some DT songs.
We should choose 2-3 DT songs and we should all vote for the same song.
I'M NOT SHURE HOW MANY SONGS YOU CAN VOTE FOR.
How about this :
A Change Of Season Learning To Live Metropolis I
Suggestions ?
NP : Enchant - Time Lost
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:16:01 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: NckyLemons@aol.com Subject: Re: Derek, the final word Message-ID: <19980811201608.21254.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Subject: DEREK : THE FINAL WORD
Does that mean that Derek's not posting anymore??? That's sad. :.(
Guys!!!!! See what you've done??? You scared him!!!
Later! -E#
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-E# is trying to get some sleep.
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:25:10 +0200 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TAMP and Vince Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980811202510.0066cf60@unet.univie.ac.at>
Go Vince, listen to the demo version of tamp. and if this doesnt move you to tears stop listening to dt.
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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