YTSEJAM Digest 4173
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Best Fish Solo Album
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
2) .to sites
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
3) #1 Song of the millennium (ACOS?)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
4) umm...someone is gay
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
5) advice for subtlerage
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
6) Re: advice for subtlerage
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) Fish Solo Music
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
8) Re: umm...someone is gay
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
9) Bass-playing
by "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net>
10) Derek in Ytseland
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) Re: PLEASE
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
12) Re: YOU FUCKING IDIOTS, READ THIS
by "Saxon" <saxon@inreach.com>
13) keyboard players
by AL <al@isd.net>
14) The rock list.
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) The Empty Tremor mess
by "Martin Nyman" <marnym@hotmail.com>
16) THE MIRROR mailing list? What a great idea!
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
17) DT intro music
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4171
by "Martin Nyman" <marnym@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:07:36 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Best Fish Solo Album
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980811230736.007a6920@pop3.afn.org>
>I'm gonna visit the US in september. Now, I've been wanting to get a
>Fish album for a long time but they are pretty much ungettable over
>here. I wouldn't wanna blind-pick a CD (hi, Damon), so can you Fish
>lovers tell me what his best solo CD is? (IYHO ofcourse)
Definitely Sunset on Empire. I say this even though I've never heard
the others. I've heard mixed reviews of his other stuff, though, and
there's nothing at all mixed about SoE (well, there's one bad track to
skip at the end, but otherwise the album is great). In fact, if I had
to choose the best album of 1997, I always get stuck between APSoG and
SoE.
>The only Fish song I've ever heard was Brother 52 (4 times on VH1 Europe
>Friday Rock Show) off of Sunset on Empires. Groovy, but not what I
>expected from him. After all, after he left, Marillion has dramtically
>changed their style, so I figured FISH was the style. Are the lyrics the
>same at least?
The lyrics are still powerful stuff, overall, especially since Fish is
branching out into the area of spoken word. "I looked up the hill at
the spread of the estate. The streetlights glowed like campfilres of an
army on the eve of battle or fireflies trapped in the canopy of an
immense jungle." (from Jungle Ride)
The music is not like old Marillion at all, but it's great stuff.
Groovy, longish songs with a lot of atmosphere and great guitar solos.
OK, maybe a little more like old Marillion than new Marillion is.
I've already put up a sample earlier this year, and would put up another
if the drive hadn't crashed at my ISP. If you're looking for closer
to old Marillion, I've heard mostly good things about Vigil in a
Wilderness of Mirrors and it's mellower counterpart, Internal Exile.
Been wanting to check them out one of these days.
One thing, SoE is definitely heavier than anything Marillion's ever
done.
- Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:20:01 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: .to sites
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980811232001.007a9900@pop3.afn.org>
>What the hell is a .to site? Is this some international thing, or is it a
>new domain? Weird.... But, hell, it works.
There don't seem to be limits for www addresses, from what I've seen.
There used to be a convention, with .com and .edu and .mil, etc, but now
you can call a web address pretty much anything you want. Like most have
www as the first element, but don't have to. Most use .com or .net, but it
seems they don't HAVE to.
So sometimes people want to be cute. Examples are surf.to, bounce.to,
(get.your.ass.to/mars.html) and other redirection sites. I guess a .to
site would be an "ain't this nifty, I'm a total wanker" domain. That's
my guess.
- Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:26:20 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: #1 Song of the millennium (ACOS?)
Message-ID: <35D10B5C.2D99E7DE@home.com>
> Yes, let's have a survey on what to post to a survey. :D What the?!?!? :)
>
> I already went and put my 3 points to A Change of Seasons. You all do the
> same. By and large it is an excellent song, on which I think we can all
> agree. Personally, I do believe it is my oft overlooked favorite. :)
>
> I'll use my other 8 email accounts and add another 24 points to it, too. :)
> Just do it!
> --KorgX3
I'll agree with Mr. KorgX3 here. I think ACOS is as good a choice as
any..... and since it currently has more votes than any other DT song,
it makes the most sense.
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:02:48 -0700
From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: umm...someone is gay
Message-ID: <199808120343.UAA29512@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
To Al Balkiewicz:
FUCK YOU!
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:43:03 -0700
From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: advice for subtlerage
Message-ID: <199808120350.UAA04166@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
To subtlerage (who needs to shut his mouth)
pal, please take you inner aggression out on someone else.
Go to hell, and may i remind you that there is no DT in
hell, there is only Yanni and the Spice Girls. Hell is not a good
place to be, so please don't fuck with me.
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:55:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: advice for subtlerage
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980811225337.10710B-100000@mozart.hostway.net>
sorry to everyone else. i sent this joker a private email and for some
reason he felt compelled to reply to the whole list. nice, eh?
On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, MEMKIL wrote:
:
: To subtlerage (who needs to shut his mouth)
:
:pal, please take you inner aggression out on someone else.
:Go to hell, and may i remind you that there is no DT in
:hell, there is only Yanni and the Spice Girls. Hell is not a good
:place to be, so please don't fuck with me.
:
:
_______________________________________________________________________
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subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock
Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244
"The alien lab mutt crapped on our universe." - Anonymous
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:18:52 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fish Solo Music
Message-ID: <01BDC56D.A456C8E0.dthomas@best.com>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:15:21 +0300
>From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
>Subject: Best Fish Solo album?
>I'm gonna visit the US in september. Now, I've been wanting to get a
>Fish album for a long time but they are pretty much ungettable over
>here. I wouldn't wanna blind-pick a CD (hi, Damon), so can you Fish
>lovers tell me what his best solo CD is? (IYHO ofcourse)
Well, my favorite is the latest "Sunsets On Empires," though "Vigil" is
quite good also.
>The only Fish song I've ever heard was Brother 52 (4 times on VH1 Europe
>Friday Rock Show) off of Sunset on Empires. Groovy, but not what I
>expected from him. After all, after he left, Marillion has dramtically
>changed their style, so I figured FISH was the style. Are the lyrics the
>same at least?
Um, no. Well, kind of. Fish is definetly a poet, and his lyrics are
impressive, but they're not the same as the Marillion days. And I don't
find that so odd, given that it's been ten years since they parted company.
Fish's solo music is different from Marillion, but is still impressive.
All this is my opinion, of course.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of Books, Games, Movies, Music, CG Software, Programming Tools And
More!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:27:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: umm...someone is gay
Message-ID: <199808120527.BAA25332@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in MEMKIL's basement typed:
> To Al Balkiewicz:
>
> FUCK YOU!
1. Just because someone's opinion differs from yours, or you're too
immature to handle a bit of criticism, is no reason to suspect that
someone is of a different sexual orientation than you (or, perhaps, in
your case, the same as you). I simply fail to see the logic in that.
2. I get the sense that Jammers generally like to pride themselves on
being a bit more intellectual than the unwashed masses, so to speak.
What you have posted, and I quoted above for everyone's reference, is
about as unintelligent a response as you can give to anything. It
doesn't show you're cool, or that you wish to be a productive member
of this list. It only proves to us that there is absolutely no reason
to ever take you seriously.
3. If you are so insecure about your sexual orientation that you must
accuse others (without reason) of being homosexual, you should
probably look into counseling. I'm sure that there are plenty of
trained professionals in your area that can help you overcome your
feelings of inadequacy.
4. It gets so tiresome to read posts from people that can't carry on
a conversation. There's nothing wrong with disagreement, and even the
occasional shouting match has its place (cf. Mosh vs. Mime). But all
you do going off on a tirade like that is to waste our time. I'm sure
alt.kids.cursing.is.cool would be interested, but we're not.
5. D-Man's Rules of Flaming: Make it relevant, make it funny, make it
readable, and make sure you don't sink below the level of maturity of
the person to whom you're responding. *Then* we'll read with an open
mind.
6. I suggest you refrain from posting to this list until you're ready
to do so in a manner one might find mature. Otherwise, you may as
well unsubscribe, because no one will care what you have to say.
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d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:28:28 +0000
From: "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bass-playing
Message-ID: <199808120554.WAA21538@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net>
> From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
> Subject: Bye, everybody
> *********************************************************************
> "It is my opinion that there aren't enough THINKING bassists. . . .
> My concept is that we as bassists should be able to play completely
> alone and relay the essence of a song by the construction of our bass
> line alone. We don't need the keyboard to clarify the kind of chord.
> We don't need the drummer to clarify the rhythm. You should be able
> to swing and radiate energy all alone. Obviously, when we add a good
> piano player and drummer, it should be an added pleasure, but not a
> crutch. Don't lean on anyone. It is your responsibility to play
> harmonically and rhythmically simultaneously."
> -- Rufus Reid, "The Evolving Bassist"
> *********************************************************************
These words kind of jumped out at me as kind of an interesting
playing philosophy (btw, I don't play an instrument), and I thought
they were worth re-posting, for anybody who missed 'em the first
time around (I almost did). They caught my eye because I believe
that the bassline is the backbone (or spinal chord, if you like) of a
song. The bassline has rhythmic and melodic qualities that allow it
to completely capture the song. I agree with what the guy said about
how there aren't enough "thinking bassists" out there. There are
quite a few bassists in my CD collection with a playing style that I
favor: a schizophrenic style that switches (in one song) between
doubling the guitar lines, playing rhythmic parts, playing some kinda
harmonic accompaniment to the guitar line, soloing, playing
occasional embellishments here and there throughout the song (the
bass equivalent of drumming fills), etc. But there aren't all that
many, which is too bad. There's lots of bands in my collection that
I think could really use a psychotic bassist.
Who the hell is Rufus Reid, anyway? I've never heard of 'im. And
what's "The Evolving Bassist"? A book? A regular column in a
magazine? Or what?
Any other thoughts on this? Or do you guys wanna keep talking about
Derek's sex life?:)
Afterthought: Cynic fans, pick up an Atheist CD (get "Elements" if
you can). If you loved Cynic, you'll love Atheist. Atheist has
stronger jazz/fusion influences, along with growling vox (kind of a
strange combo at times, but you get used to it). There's 2 tracks
on Elements that are pure fusion (they're instrumental tracks), NO
metal in them at all.
NP: Syzygy, "Mercury Tears" (sp?)
Younis Hilal--------------------yhilal@lightspeed.net
AKA "YoonDog"
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:55:01 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek in Ytseland
Message-ID: <35D13C45.67A662AE@isd.net>
Let me share my assessment of the Derek Sherinian episode.
The fact that Derek posted in defense of himself in the first place demonstrates
his respect for the jammers. Otherwise why would he have bothered?
His first post was a bit tacky, but was possibly written in the height of
anger. I'll be the first to admit that I have said some really stupid shit when
I have lost my temper. I think we all have. What impresses me is that he
replied again with a well thought out, intelligent post explaining his personal
dedication to music. The fact that he clarified himself to the Ytsejam clan
further demonstrates his dedication to Dream Theater, and DT fan's.
This holds true even for the skeptics who may suspect his reply was Co-authored.
The fact remains, he chose to TAKE THE TIME!
He's still not dating my daughter though!
Psssst... Derek, My daughter thinks you're hot! But have you ever seen
what a Milwaukee Sawzall can do to a human finger? Not to mention other
appendages that lack skeletal reinforcement...
/Al thinks it's safer to try and "pull the pork" on a Siberian Tiger with an
abscessed tooth, then date his daughter. ;o)
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. Did I mention dating my daughter can be hazardous?
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:58:41 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: PLEASE Message-ID: <01bdc5be$a3f2d320$e4e72ac2@elydian>
>In the subject line put --> unsubscribe >then send to : ytse-request@ax.com > >No need for any content, you should be unsubbed in a couple of hours. > >POJ =o)
I don't know if it has changed since I subscribed, but that's wrong. It's the same address but with a subject of asdf and unsubscribe ytsejam in the body.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:30:02 -0700 From: "Saxon" <saxon@inreach.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YOU FUCKING IDIOTS, READ THIS Message-ID: <000001bdc5c3$e32e5140$7417fea9@p200>
Yeah, I agree. Goes to show who our moderator is. Not much if you ask me. . . But personally, I thought it was funny. . .kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
>Then Matt says : >hrm. So you think that, by cussing at the problem, it will magically go >away? Like, maybe the people who don't know they're in MIME or >HTML
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:46:06 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: keyboard players Message-ID: <35D1564E.CF213811@isd.net>
Hi all, "My curiosity's got me tonight" --The Cars Rick Wakeman was the "Key God" for me in the 70s as I navigated puberty. Another keyboard player I always enjoyed was Dennis DeYoung from Styx. Was I just confused, or was he as good as I thought? I have seen few mentions of his name here. Any opinions?
NEWS: Minnesota's new treatment for Anorexia Nervosa: Marijuana! Next month... Hockey masks engineered to cure Bulimarexia.
SPORTS: Gorditas 3 Rolaids 1 The Gordita's won on a last minute upset!
Um, sorry Korg :(
I can almost hear Marlene P under the covers doing her Taco Bell dog imitation... "Here Leezard Leezard Leezard"
Al's had Taco Bell one to many times this month.
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:56:34 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The rock list. Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C341E27AC9@ms.kallback.com>
Derek rocks. Mosh rocks. MEMKIL does not rock. Calvin rocks. D-man rocks. Itchy rocks. Audet & Buckethead rock. Blind Jammers rock. Empty Tremor rocks. Ash Bros. do not rock. DT rocks. duh. and, last but not least, Skadz rocks.
~I rock. Sorry if you rock and I forgot you. If you flame me, you do not rock. :P
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:24 CEST From: "Martin Nyman" <marnym@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Empty Tremor mess Message-ID: <19980812090332.3461.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello there people!
I thought Iīd say a few words about this "Empty Tremor and the two german fanatic brothers who donīt even like DT" mess. First I have to say that ET isnīt that bad. I think they are quite talented musicians. But to say that the production on Apocolokyntosys is better than Kevin Shirleyīs on FII is what I would call a lie. But I mean these guys are really young. Were DT as superb as they are now when they were teenagers? Give ET a couple of years, and let them make some records and earn some money to hire producers and stuff. Then weīll see... And then I think it was the little Arman-thing who said that DT isnīt prog anymore. They are!! But so what? Why does everything have to be prog? I think there has to be all kinds of music. My favourite music is Prog Metal but I listen to lots of other things as well. (mostly Metal) Iīm sure of that there are people who can combine listening to DT and Spice girls for example.
Well, Iīm not completely sure :-)
By the way, the keyboardist of Empty Tremor told me in a mail that their label "Rising Sun" donīt want to release their next album because itīs too progressive. They want them to play more speed/powermetal. Now thatīs really... mean! Prog on ET!!!
Dream Theater RULES!! Hopefully will one or two of you guys at least agree on those last three words. ;)
Martin the swede
====================================================== "Since everybody seems to have a quotation here... I donīt! Or do I?" - Martin N. ======================================================
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:11:04 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: THE MIRROR mailing list? What a great idea! Message-ID: <v04003a05b1f7099395cb@[194.121.235.251]>
Hey that's cool...
>Well, it seems the dash in "the-mirror" was screwing things up, >so here's the new and CORRECT information for subscribing to >the moderated list...
I always wanted a mailing list just for THE MIRROR... *hint, hint*
Later,
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater fan club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:56 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT intro music Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0812091156-0b0rZWN@mor.webscotland.co.uk>
I happened to be watching TV last night, and I saw the last few minutes of a film called "The Young Poisoner's Handbook" (or something like that).
I don't want to ruin the story for anyone, but . . . uhh . . . what the hell. The last scene is this guy scraping some powder off a piece of jewellery and swallowing it. Presumably he's committing suicide by poisoning himself.
ANYWAY . . . the music playing during this scene sounded remarkably familiar. 'Twas the music DT use as their intro tape . . . the Clockwork Orange tune? It sounded different from the version I'm used to hearing, though, because this rendition had lots of trumpets and brass instruments, whereas DT's intro tape sounds much more psychadelic and swirly and keyboardy. Oh, and the film version didn't keep skipping! :-P (Jammers who were at the London show in June will know what I mean.)
That's the only cool thing that's happened to me this week. Apart from seeing a Derek Sherinian lookalike working in my local Safeway. :-)
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:42:58 CEST From: "Martin Nyman" <marnym@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4171 Message-ID: <19980812094259.5153.qmail@hotmail.com>
Arash and Joe D. wrote:
>> How about this : >> >> A Change Of Season >> Learning To Live >> Metropolis I >> >> Suggestions ? > > >Sounds pretty good. But I think we should consolidate it to one song - >and everybody give it 3 points. >(kinda like what happened with the best guitar solo thing) > >Let's have a little internal vote on which song, OK? > >- Joe D.
Good Idea!
I would put my vote for Learning to live. Itīs been my favourite song for years now. I think itīs a very complete song. So is ACOS really but anyway, thatīs my opinion.
Martin N.
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