YTSEJAM Digest 4172
Today's Topics:
1) Re: listen.to
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
2) my previous post...
by "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
3) Re: READ THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
4) NEW MP3 AT JP PAGE !
by "David Van Glabeke" <hawkey@skynet.be>
5) Re: Giving it a chance - musical brainwashing
by Calvin6S@aol.com
6) Re: missing tape tracks
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) DT disappear from UBL Top 100! / Classic Rock
by "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
8) Re: Best song of the millenium!
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
9) Feeling/Emotion
by "Vince French" <vfrench@sprint.ca>
10) I should stop listening to DT if I don't like TAMP...
by "Vince French" <vfrench@sprint.ca>
11) Re: I should stop listening to DT if I don't like TAMP...
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) New Angra & Kiss
by John Hough <jhough@jps.net>
13) King's X and Galactic Cowboys Tour (October 1998) (NDTC)
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
14) Set List
by GuyB <guyb@ttlc.net>
15) DR MOSH and the FUCKING IDIOTS...
by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br>
16) give that man a solo album.
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
17) shirts at concerts
by Devs0432@aol.com
18) Re: King's X and Galactic Cowboys Tour (October 1998) (NDTC)
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:45:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: listen.to
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980811174405.28756A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Alex Smith wrote:
>
> >> THE URL IS : http://www.listen.to/best.song
>
> What the hell is a .to site? Is this some international thing, or is it a
> new domain? Weird.... But, hell, it works.
>
".TO" I'm almost positive means it's a site in Tonga. I read
something a long time ago where people were saying that this
domain extension or whatever its called is/was one of the
only country ones to sell domains to the public or something.
-Al, captain of useless (and probably
incorrect) information
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:56:45 PDT
From: "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my previous post...
Message-ID: <19980811215645.12517.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sorry Jammers!
Sorry about my previous post, it was supposed to be private..
And Flame the lameness I even skrewed the address, I believe it's
supposed to be <ytsejam-request@ax.com>
Some jammer wanted out, and I was just trying to help....
Once again...SORRY!
POJ =)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:01:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: READ THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
Message-ID: <199808112201.SAA20325@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in MEMKIL's basement typed:
> Quite frankly, just because Mosh is such a fucking computer genius,
> doesn't mean everyone is. Not everyone knows how to turn off MIME
If you can figure out how to subscribe to an automated mailing list,
you can figure out how to be a good citizen. I could probably count
the absolute black-and-white rules of this list on one hand. The very
few other rules that we have all agreed on as a whole serve to make
the reading experience more pleasant for everybody. If you can figure
out how to subscribe, but you don't know how to use your e-mail
program, then, yeah, you're a moron.
If you know how, and just refuse to do it in order to piss people off,
then you're an asshole.
BTW, most programs for Micro$oft GUI systems have a menu in the top
right portion of the screen called "Help". Has *anyone* ever thought
to look there?
-d uses elm
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:28:35 +0200
From: "David Van Glabeke" <hawkey@skynet.be>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NEW MP3 AT JP PAGE !
Message-ID: <002201bdc577$90133580$f809eec3@david>
check it out, you'll love it :
www.users.skynet.be/JohnPetrucci/index.html
Go to the Sounds section,
sign the book please !
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:44:24 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Giving it a chance - musical brainwashing
Message-ID: <87b63b17.35d0c949@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/11/98 7:39:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> What I'm saying is, to browbeat yourself
> over and over with something, until it's so ingrained that you can't
> dislike it anymore, just because other people say it's great
> seems stupid to me (and I think people who are into prog do this a lot,
> but that's neither here nor there).
Actually, some prog (or just about any music genre for that matter) purveryors
do follow the "you will listen to it and you will like it" attitude Brian has
suggested. However, I think it is more on the other end of the stick where
the problem lies. The immediate disdain for music outside your FAVORITE music
circle is intolerable. Let's face it - we've all been subject to it at one
time in our lives - but realize that its as simple as "do I like what I am
hearing?".
And I don't believe repeated listenings of something you don't like is
necessary to "give it a chance". The best way to handle music you don't like
is just accept you don't like it, but may like it 6 months or even 10 years
later or you may NEVER like it.
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:09:12 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: missing tape tracks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980811200827.31304C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Brian Hayden wrote:
> Tracks are sometimes left of tapes to conserve time. This is important on a
> cassette, because the longer you make it the thinner the tape has to be,
> which decreases sound quality and durability. They want to keep certain
> minimum standards.
Not to mention that they always keep the minimum standards. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:15 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT disappear from UBL Top 100! / Classic Rock Message-ID: <0283d5030230b88UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com>
Oops Itchy? what's happened at UBL? After being No 1 yesterday, DT seems to have completely disappeared from UBL - I couldn't even search for the band name. I can't find any trace of the band on the site.
UK Jammers might have a magazine worth reading from late September when Metal Hammer produce the first edition of 'Classic Rock' which is purported to feature Genesis, Yes, Supertramp and other Golden Oldies. while offering 'expert ' assessment on bands from Van Halen to Vangelis, Rush to Radiohead (according to the Press Release). Sounds promising!
Should be a good opportunity for DT to get some decent press for the new Live Album, rather than wasting any money advertising in Kerrapp or metal Hammer
Charlie
Work: http://www.servemode.co.uk/ email: charlie@servemode.co.uk URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:47:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Best song of the millenium! Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980811184417.20786B-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I d suggest that we vote for just one song, and give the 3 votes that everyone is entitled to give to that one DT song.....
My pick would be....Learning to Live It would be cool if we all jammers vote for the same song....but we must agree on which song would be the chosen one..... Just a thought......
Mauricio
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:08:12 -0400 From: "Vince French" <vfrench@sprint.ca> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Feeling/Emotion Message-ID: <01bdc585$4b5dc280$f51d67d1@vincefrench>
Hey there,
Isaac wrote so eloquently:
>>I have always thought of music as a vibe. When I'm jamming with someone, I'm >>not thinking of my sick aunt, my dead cat or world hunger. Wherever that vibe >>takes me becomes my music. But that may just be me. I don't really try to put >>emotion into songs. I kinda hope it comes out because I have a passion to >>create music and enjoy it. Does anyone agree or disagree?
I agree with you there. I don't really think of too much as far as tangible things, or people when I write music. But once I write a small part of something, and continue to develop it, I usually have some sort of vision of a place, moment in time, atmosphere. You know? LIke a song I wrote recently on keys for a software intro animation I created, kinda made me feel like I was in the 14th-15th century. It gave me that kinda feeling. And I built on that feeling with the music to try and convey the closest possible to what I was feeling when I wrote it. That's just usually my way of doing things.
I understand what you mean that you can't really say that someone doesn't have feeling. But I also kinda disagree. I realize that most everyone does it for the passion and love of it, and will most often insert his/her feelings into the music. But it doesn't always mean it was the best possible lick/riff/solo etc for that particular song. I know, I know, they wrote it, and used what they thought was right for the song. But so many times I've heard things that were so beautiful and moving, until there's this blaring 200000-notes-per-second guitar solo that just kinda ruins the mood and overall feel of the song. Obviously the author thought it was right, but the song could have been much better, in my opinion of course, with a different idea. NOw I know you can't really question feelings and emotions, but you can question the author's ability to convey that emotion. For some people, it's not always that easy. Just because they're good technically doesn't mean they are good at portraying feelings and emotions. Just like because you have a PhD, we all know that it doesn't necessarily make you a good university instructor. So many people have so many great ideas, but because they lack the ability to convey it properly, it never quite matures the way it could have. Anyhow, I could talk about this for hours, because there's not really any wrong or right, just personal opinions.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Vince French 3D Animator/Musician IMPACT Consulting 1173 Cyrville suite 210 Gloucester, ON (613) 746-4100
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:14:02 -0400 From: "Vince French" <vfrench@sprint.ca> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I should stop listening to DT if I don't like TAMP... Message-ID: <01bdc586$1be7af60$f51d67d1@vincefrench>
Manuel so uneloquently wrote:
>>Go Vince, listen to the demo version of tamp. and if this doesnt move you to >>tears stop listening to dt.
Well, Manuel, this is exactly the kind of thing that bothers me. Personally, I don't like TAMP and AL. Is that a crime? I love everything else DT has ever written, and find them to be simply brilliant. But, I happen to NOT like 2 songs. So what? I've heard both versions, and it doesn't change my mind. For me personally, it does nothing. SDV does. Those two don't. Sorry, but your comment doesn't make any sense. Telling me to stop listening to DT because I don't like a song or two? Please.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Vince French 3D Animator/Musician IMPACT Consulting 1173 Cyrville suite 210 Gloucester, ON (613) 746-4100
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:30:23 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I should stop listening to DT if I don't like TAMP... Message-ID: <35D0E21F.A18C7CCE@caribe.net>
Vince French wrote:
> Manuel so uneloquently wrote: > > >>Go Vince, listen to the demo version of tamp. and if this doesnt move you > to > >>tears stop listening to dt. > > Well, Manuel, this is exactly the kind of thing that bothers me. > Personally, I don't like TAMP and AL. Is that a crime? I love everything > else DT has ever written, and find them to be simply brilliant. But, I > happen to NOT like 2 songs. So what?
VERY true.. if it were like you need to love EVERY dream theater song there is... well there wouldnt be a lot of people on this list... ( not everyone here loves EVERY dream theater song ) Hey.. so also if someone happens to like lets say... less than 50% of DT's music.. does that make them not elegible to listen to dt.. or even consider themselves a fan...?!!
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:42:03 -0700 From: John Hough <jhough@jps.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Angra & Kiss Message-ID: <35D0D6CB.3BFF@jps.net>
Hey all,
Just wanted to let you all know that if you haven't heard the new Angra track "Lisbon" or the new Kiss track "Psycho Circus", I have them on my site. "Lisbon" is about 1 min. (280k apprx) and the Kiss is the full song (mono 8 bits) at about 560k. Both are Mp3 format. Later.
John Hough jhough@jps.net http://www.jps.net/jhough/bands.htm
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:46:17 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X and Galactic Cowboys Tour (October 1998) (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980811204617.0079c100@mail.erinet.com>
I know that there are KX/GC fans on this list that want this info...
KING'S X & GALACTIC COWBOYS FALL 1998 TOUR
(All Dates Tentative -- not final list!!!)
10/07 W. Springfield, VA-------Jaxx 10/08 NY, NY---------------------Tramps 10/09 Old Bridge, NJ-----------Birch Hill 10/10 Poughkeepsie, NY------The Chance Theatre 10/12 New Haven, CT---------Toads Place 10/13 Boston, MA--------------Axis 10/14 Prov, RI -----------------The Station 10/16 Cleveland, OH---------Agora Ballroom 10/17 Cincinati, OH----------Annie's 10/18 Chicago, IL------------House of Blues 10/19 Minn, MN--------------Ground Zero 10/20 Mil, WS-----------------The Rave 10/23 Seattle,WA-------------The Fenix 10/24 Portland, OR----------Roseland Theater 10/25 San Fran, CA---------Slims 10/28 Pheonix, AZ----------Mason Jar 10/30 Austin, TX------------Liberty Lunch 10/31 San Antonio, TX----White Rabbit
from the KX Official page at http://www.compassnet.com/grump/
..more dates will be posted later.
later, Dan
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:09:12 -0400 From: GuyB <guyb@ttlc.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Set List Message-ID: <35D0EB38.245D8E5@ttlc.net>
Does anyone out there have the set list for the August 4th, 1998 show at the Hampton Beach Club Casino?
I saw them there. They kicked ASS! Now I'm wondering what order the songs were in.
Thanks! Guy
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:00:05 -0300 From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DR MOSH and the FUCKING IDIOTS... Message-ID: <199808120204.XAA07762@patachou.sti.com.br>
"MEMKIL" says: >hmm, am i the only one who agrees with Matt? >Quite frankly, just because Mosh is such a fucking computer genius, >doesn't mean everyone is. Not everyone knows how to turn off MIME >and HTML, so all you braniacs should fuck off. Also, Mosh thinks that >since everyone knows him, he could be as arrogant as he wants towards >guys like Matt and get away with it. Mosh, if you are reading this, i don't >care if you threaten to ban me or flame me, but all i have to say is FUCK >YOU, ASSHOLE! if you just stopped acting like a know-it-all wise ass, >everything >would be cool.
I say: I agree with MEMKIL and Matt here.
So I think it's not a matter of knowing or not knowing how to turn MIME off. It's a matter of RESPECT. I had MIME on because I didnt know how to turn it off. I may have missed the posts where DR MOSH was RESPECTFULLY trying to tell "The FUCKING IDIOTS" ( like he isnt one!!) to turn it off. AND I DONT HAVE THE TIME I WANTED TO READ ALL OF THEM, let alone the computer problems ( who doesnt have them? ) that make me miss a lot of digests. AM I A FUCKING IDIOT BECAUSE OF THIS? OR MAYBE BECAUSE I CALLED DR MOSH A FUCKING IDIOT AND GOT THREATENED TO BE KICKED FROM THIS LIST?
FINE, DR MOSH CAN CALL EVERYONE A FUCKING IDIOT, BUT IF YOU CALL HIM THAT, HE'LL KICK YOU OUT OF THE LIST... wow DR MOSH, FUCK YOU AGAIN. NEXT TIME YOU WANNA CALL PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, THINK OF A DIFFERENT WAY, SINCE YOU'RE SUCH A GENIOUS. IT SHOUDNT BE DIFFICULT.
AND IF THIS POST ANOYS ANYONE, JUST SKIP IT, LIKE DR MOSH HIMSELF SAYS...
Sorry about the mood, fellow Jammanoids
MY FINAL WORD
Daniel
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:06:45 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: give that man a solo album. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980811220645.007a8490@pop3.afn.org>
Hi. To kill the time until the next album, I'd like to tell you about the two best moments of Images and Words. I recognized how great they were from the first moment, and one of the reasons I almost sold the album back after I got it was because there were only two moments like it on the album.
The first is the whole section leading to the first chorus in "Take the Time." The second is after the intro of "Learning to Live" going up to the first chorus.
To my considerable displeasure, they did not return after their choruses (though the chunky part of LtL rox some serious nads) (well, Myung comes back a little bit near the end) (hmm, wonder what my fave song on I&W is).
Can you hear what I'm talking about? That's right, it's Myung. I know a lot of people out there were hooked to DT by Pull Me Under, but not me. This guy can groove, and you can't hold no groove if you ain't got no pocket. Myung probably loses his keys a lot.
Someone give this man a solo album. Just bass, drums, and sparse keys/ guitar (like LTE but not so cluttered). Don't give me bass high in the mix, give me bass highest in the mix.
- Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:15:38 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: shirts at concerts Message-ID: <7bc022c7.35d0facb@aol.com>
<< Hi guys, here's a question for all yall who've been to the current dt shows. Are there any shirts and stuff for sale thats only DT or does it also mention elp and dp? >>
yeah, they sell shirts, or at least they did at Jones Beach. They had shirts for each group that was playing. DT had a white one with the FII cover thingee on it, and a black one with the tour places on back, and picture of the band members on front. I got the black one, it was pretty damn cool. At JB, they were selling for 25 bucks. somewhat steep, but I needed a DT shirt!! Desperately!!!
hope this helps, Alex
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:21:50 -0400 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: King's X and Galactic Cowboys Tour (October 1998) (NDTC) Message-ID: <00ff01bdc597$f74d1700$1519efce@kezcom>
>I know that there are KX/GC fans on this list that want this info... > > KING'S X & GALACTIC COWBOYS FALL 1998 TOUR > > (All Dates Tentative -- not final list!!!) > > 10/07 W. Springfield, VA-------Jaxx
As of today, 8-11-98, the Jaxx website still lists this show as being on October 8th, with Fates Warning, so there is obviously still some clarification coming. Hopefully, FW is still part of the mix.
Kez
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