YTSEJAM Digest 4179
Today's Topics:
1) Arash
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
2) "Another One Bites the Dust" /ACOS
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
3) flamage
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
4) Re: October.
by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
5) Shenanigans and the woes of being a fan....
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
6) Clarkston, MICH Show....This Saturday
by HEZZBEEGEE@aol.com
7) to DAMON
by NckyLemons@aol.com
8) re:feeling sound (music)... smelling colors, etc...
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
9) Spock's Beard / DT Show! / Stratovarius Live!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
10) October, music month of 98
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
11) RE: October will be the business
by "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
12) Re: YtseJam DT cover band proposal
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) Re: October.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
14) Philly DT show..
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
15) Victor.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
16) Re: YtseJam DT cover band proposal
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
17) Re: on varied subjects
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:06:06 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Arash
Message-ID: <35D2F2CE.54D9AAC@home.com>
Arash wrote:
> I love nearly all DT songs. DT are my favorit band on earth.
> IT'S REALLY STRANGE: My younger brother makes a bad comment about FII and=
> sudently
> everyone hates me and Empty Tremor !!!! Come on people this is not fair :=
> -(
Arash is right. HE didn't do anything to get flamed.
Neither did Empty Tremor (BTW, excellent band IMO).
So let's leave 'em alone and quit the flames. (/me thinks I'm probably
gonna get flamed myself for defending an infamous Ashouriha brother....
but oh well).
- Joe D.
NP: Symphony X "Orion - The Hunter" from TiO
(Awesome fucking song)
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:44 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Another One Bites the Dust" /ACOS
Message-ID: <35D2F36C.59C8B50D@home.com>
> The other artists are :
> vocals : Adam
> Bass : Rudy Sarzo
> Drums : Tommy Aldridge
Does anybody know who the hell Adam is?
We're settled now on voting for ACOS, right?
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:11:24 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: flamage
Message-ID: <35D2F40C.A3C0FC6B@trw.com>
Arash pouted:
> Arman loves DT but he don't like FII. Is this a act of crime ?
>
> I love nearly all DT songs. DT are my favorit band on earth.
> IT'S REALLY STRANGE: My younger brother makes a bad comment about FII
> and sudently everyone hates me and Empty Tremor !!!! Come on people > this is not fair :=
It is ok to say you dont like FII but when you are a big time A$$hole
about it, you are going to get flamed. Your brother could have been
nicer about it but the way he went about it wasn't acceptable to the
masses. He then goes and talks about how much better Empty Tremor is and
we are all ready subjected to posts about how good Empty Tremor is from
you. This then causes you to get included in the flamefest.
NP:Queen-Classics
-- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:13:18 +0200 From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: October. Message-ID: <35D2F47E.631244A2@hm.telia.no>
Hello ! Here`s some of the upcoming cd`s: DESTINY'S END Breath Deep The Dark ELEGY Manifestation Of Fear ENCHANT Break MAGNITUDE 9 Chaos To Control PLATYPUS When Push Comes To Shove RADAKKA Requiem For The Innocent
September: ANGRA Fireworks DICKINSON, BRUCE A Chemical Wedding DOKKEN Nine ELDRITCH El Nino FATES WARNING Live HAMMERFALL Legacy Of Kings IVORY TOWER Ivory Tower JAG PANZER The Age Of Mystery KING'S X TBA LETHAL TBA MIND'S EYE Into The Unknown PELL, AXEL RUDI Oceans Of Time PHOENIX RISING Rise From The Ashes QUIET ROOM Introspect SACRED STEEL Wargods Of Metal SHADOW GALLERY Tyranny SUPERIOR Younique THRESHOLD Clone VENI DOMINE TBA
Oktober: ATTACK Deadlocked AYREON In The Electric Castle DREAM CHILD TBA JUDAS PRIEST Live NEVERMORE Dreaming Neon Black RHAPSODY second album=20 RUSH Dimlit Stages For All Ages- Live STEEL PROPHET Prophecy Upon Us STIGMATA IV The Court Of Eternity STORMLORD Stormlord STRATOVARIUS Destiny
November: HEAVEN'S GATE Menergy CRIMSON GLORY Astronomica (pushed back to November) TIME MACHINE Eternity Ends
Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway !
NP: Crises- Broken Glass
Ville Rassi wrote: >=20 > It seems that october is going to be the good music-month of the year. > Let=B4s see.DT live album and video, Fates Warning-Live album, Dali=B4s > Dilemma new album, Stratovarius new album...I=B4m sure there=B4s more.A= nyone > remember what they are? >=20 > -Ville- >=20 > P.S.My birthday is in october 8-) >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:11:10 +0100 From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shenanigans and the woes of being a fan.... Message-ID: <8025665F.004C8E0E.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
Man I am fuming...............
I sent Derek Shenanigan $40 for 3 boot cd's and an original copy of Subconscious well over 18 months ago and I haven't heard squat since...........this is just not good enough............he shouldn't be in business if he can't be professional and provide a reasonable level of customer service.......
As far as the ongoing Mike Bahr/Kev Moore keyboard crap goes..why not give these guys a break, Mike filled Kev's shoes as well as he could, he's a professional musician not just a mere fan who makes a living from the vagueries of the copyright law. Both of these guys have their own style so let it lie.
And on a final note (a slightly more serious one this time) being a fan can be one of the most frustrating and yet amazingly rewarding things. I've enjoyed reading the jammers views on the growth of the band, the Ytsejam and the fan base over the years and there must be mixed feelings at your 'secret' band becoming more popular, I had this the first time I saw somebody else in a KX Gretchen t shirt
However the crux of the frustration is that often fans believe that whilst they have an inherent power through their support of the band via purchases and concert attendance etc......the band is still an entity in itself and has to grow, learn, MATURE just like any other group of people. Some fans seem to feel such a strong sense of ownership of 'their' band that they really want to dictate the direction, personnel, wardrobe, producer etc.... (lets hear it for David Praters' job on I&W, that is impressive stuff considering the complexity)
I believe we jammers are a very lucky bunch, we have a real feeling for the band and the feedback from them, especially MP, is second to none. The thing they need now more than anything else is a sense of trust in us that we are there for them, that they can spread their musical wings and surprise us but also remind us that these guys have something special and that thing is TALENT & ABILITY (which can be translated as Balls & Chunk....cos thats where its at !)
Sorry about the stupid first part of the jam but I'm at work, bored and looking forward to 3 weeks holiday in Malaysia (lots of cool bootleg stores i hope)
Love, Kisses and Ytsehugs
Steve
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:11:27 EDT From: HEZZBEEGEE@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Clarkston, MICH Show....This Saturday Message-ID: <75c6c8b9.35d2f410@aol.com>
Hey~ Any fellow Ytsejammers going to be at Pine Knob in Clarkston MICH for the concert this Saturday? If so, I would like to hear from you... maybe a few of us can meet there or something. Just a thought. (e-mail me) ~peace~ Heather (hezzbeegee@aol.com)
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:21:37 EDT From: NckyLemons@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: to DAMON Message-ID: <9141b2a1.35d2f672@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/13/98 2:25:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< So, Derek, ... teach me. Show me the way. Hell, man, I interviewed you, I defended you to the hill, and I played DT on my radio show for years, well at least since somebody introduced them to me in 1995. <grin> OK, maybe I am being ridiculous. But still, ... >>
Damon, perhaps we can work something out in the future. E Mail me.
Derek
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:26:42 +0100 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re:feeling sound (music)... smelling colors, etc... Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE58AE@LON01XBCAPGE>
Rachel Goldenberg wrote:
>That's pretty amazing. I usually smell aromas. >If that holds true, can you really feel music? Does Burning My Soul give >you heartburn? Does Lines in the Sand feel like a beach? Very >interesting...
YES. Mind you that I'm half awake right now, but I definitely feel music. <snip> On a deeper level the best examples for "cross sensing" come from the Holocaust survivor stories, where pieces of paper, or sounds without any scientific traces of odor evoke odor and traumatic sensation. And I'm sorry if nobody cares about anything I've said, if I read way too much of the original three lines that were written, or if I'm not capturing this quite right. On a more common perspective, Blue can make you feel cool like water. Certainly more so than red. Association allows the mind to picture red, hot, fire. Of course if you want to smell colors, you can buy scented markers :) For a while Crayola was going to market flavored crayons.. -oOo-
This crossover effect on the senses is called synaesthesia. The French romantic poet Arthur Rimbaud wrote a poem based on how different vowels had different colours for him. A lot of fin-de-siecle artists and writers I'm interested in tried to develop this as well. And Wagner was very interested in the 'whole' experience, trying to meld music and visuals.
Jonathan BA Joint Honours French & German - I knew it would come in handy some time!
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:49:02 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Spock's Beard / DT Show! / Stratovarius Live! Message-ID: <35D2FCDD.38981DB1@home.com>
> > How come you don't know the beard really? > > They are the best Prog Rock since Genesis... > > [snip]...the beard rules!!
Jan-Michael > Sorry man... just too mellow for my taste. > Gotta have some more punch to it, more metal. > Thanks tho..
I HONESTLY thought the same exact thing. I kept hearing about how mellow Spock's Beard is..... and I figured I wouldn't like 'em. Boy, was I ever DEAD FUCKING WRONG. "The Kindness of Strangers" absolutely, positively blew me away!
About the canceled DT show......... I feel bad for you 'jammers that were there. That sucks hardcore. :-( They should've just let DT and ELP play extended sets. Damn, I really hope that Saturday's Detroit show isn't canceled too.
I just found (MUCH to my surprise) Stratovarius live "Visions of Europe" 2CD for $14.99 at Harmony House. What the hell is up with this? I'm shocked I saw ANYTHING by Stratovarius at a regular store..... and even more shocked that a 2CD set was only $14.99!
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: October, music month of 98 Message-ID: <19980813150543.28993.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
>It seems that october is going to be the good music->month of the year. >Let=B4s see.DT live album and video, Fates Warning-Live >album, Dali=B4s= =20 >Dilemma new album, Stratovarius new album...I=B4m sure >there=B4smore. >Anyone remember what they are? =20 >-Ville-
How about the new Rush Live album "Dimlit Stages for All Ages"
Although I hope they don't decide to 'dim' the lights on their stage just yet, but with Neil Peart losing his wife I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Then again this is Neil we're talking about. He might decide to bury himself completly in Rush and keep plugging away with new music.
Has anyone heard whether or not Alex Lifeson is going to do another 'Victor' album?? =20
=3D=3D John Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying. DT
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:26:16 +0100 From: "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: October will be the business Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D732CA914@skylight.mvt.ie>
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It seems that october is going to be the good music-month of the year. Let=B4s see.DT live album and video, Fates Warning-Live album, = Dali=B4s=20 Dilemma new album, Stratovarius new album...I=B4m sure there=B4s more.Anyone=20 remember what they are? =09
What about Platypus? What's the deal there?
Rob. ICQ 809343
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YtseJam DT cover band proposal Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980813113803.29168B-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Someone asked recently for a full band version of QR's Someone Else, and I > was wondering if I could get a copy from whoever had it. Thanks! > Also, I was thinking that maybe we could get some YtseJammers together to > form an internet DT 'cover band'. People on the 'jam who play different > instruments could record a whole song, or part of it, for their instrument. > Then all the parts could be mixed together. Everyone could play along to a > fairly accurate midi file, so that the timing would be right for all the > instruments.
oh, christ. here we go again...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Ville Rassi <vilzu@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: October. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980813113930.29168C-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> It seems that october is going to be the good music-month of the year. > Let=B4s see.DT live album and video, Fates Warning-Live album, Dali=B4s= =20 > Dilemma new album, Stratovarius new album...I=B4m sure there=B4s more.Any= one=20 > remember what they are?
=09Don't forget the triple-disc rush live cd.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> Subject: Philly DT show.. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980813114102.29168D-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> About the canceled DT show......... I feel bad for you 'jammers that > were there. That sucks hardcore. :-( They should've just let DT and > ELP play extended sets. Damn, I really hope that Saturday's Detroit > show isn't canceled too.
What's really funny is that the "competitive" rock station (WYSP) were cracking jokes all night about how "at least their concerts actually get on stage" - i found it mildly amusing.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> Subject: Victor. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980813114206.29168E-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> How about the new Rush Live album "Dimlit Stages for All Ages"
I think it's just called "Dimlit Stages" now.
> Although I hope they don't decide to 'dim' the lights on their stage > just yet, but with Neil Peart losing his wife I wouldn't be surprised > if they did. Then again this is Neil we're talking about. He might > decide to bury himself completly in Rush and keep plugging away with > new music.
I'd doubt it. From the reports I'm getting from Anthem, after this they don't expect anything more out of Rush. I know Atlantic wants to release a "best of" comp from their Atlantic years, but besides that, I wouldn't be holding my breath for any more Rush stuff. Of course, if there *is* more Rush stuff, I'd consider that a hell of a bonus.
> Has anyone heard whether or not Alex Lifeson is going to do another > 'Victor' album?? =20
I've heard he will, although I've heard nothing from Anthem to support the claim.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YtseJam DT cover band proposal Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980813084639.4092A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Syrinx wrote:
> > oh, christ. here we go again...
hehehe... Yeah, I know. We're still working on the project from the *last* time! ^_^
It's sad when a thread is repeated before it even dies out... ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: on varied subjects Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980813111908.23944A-100000@gs.bass.org>
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 many people posting to "the list" wrote:
> YES. Mind you that I'm half awake right now, but I definitely feel music. [abridged] Rachel makes an incredible point here. For those of you who doubt, how many of us have ever felt the hair stand up on our arms from the music? Or been moved close to tears from the passion in a particular singer's voice. I must say also that when playing music, you can get in a zone that sparks the best in creativity from all the musicians gathered. When the musicianship level is high (not referring to the aid of legal/illegal stimulants) it spurs one to push to another level. Usually, an audience can recognize when that kind of magic happens. Music lives and breathes and affects each person differently. I only hope that you all know of what I speak. When I first heard Awake (my virgin DT experience) it blew me away (so to speak) from the get-go. I was playing in a rock band of sorts and wanted to play something in the line of DP/Uriah Heep, then I heard 6:00, and thought it was just what I needed. The group fell apart, but DT has still been a terrific inspiration to me. I just need to put some of my thoughts down on paper before I forget them.
> Personally, I think you can "force" yourself to listen to something before > it clicks. It's happened quite a few times for me. For example: > > Marillion _Script for a Jester's Tear_ and _Fugazi_ (it seems amazing that I > never liked these before!) > Genesis _Foxtrot_
I had a similar experience with A-ha (don't laugh). I had purchased Stay on these Roads when it came out for The Living Daylights. I couldn't stand the rest of the album. Then several years later after living a little more, I listened to it again, and I appreciated different parts of it for different reasons. I've noticed with myself that most of the time, I value the first album I hear by a particular artist, ie DT-the first album I heard was Awake and I like it better than I&W. Another person with whom I worked had heard I&W first, and he loved that album above any other. With Genesis, Foxtrot was the first album I heard with PG on lead vox, and it and LLDoB are my tied faves. With Marillion, the first one with Fish I heard was SfJT and it and CaS are my faves.
> THANK GOD FOR GREAT KEYBOARDS ... I had to throw in my $.0000005
Tony Banks-Firth of Fifth Jon Lord-Child of Time Tony Kaye-Endless Dream I'm sure there are more, but I gotta go back to work.
Peace, all.
NP: Elegy-State of Mind Steve Hogarth-Ice Cream Genius Sheryl Crow-Sheryl Crow ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's thought for the Month:
We all came out to Montreux...
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