YTSEJAM Digest 4181
Today's Topics:
1) About the Public Chat Room
by "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG>
2) Posting like a madman
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
3) Re: Illness, Damon/Derek, and billions o' bitches...
by AEllis1222@aol.com
4) Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!!
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
5) Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!!
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
6) Wow... I love the self righteous!
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
7) Re: FII
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
8) You're serious?
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
9) general stuff
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
10) daughter......
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
11) kevek
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
12) Re: What's Platypus?
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) huh
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
14) the beard
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
15) Fw: "5 Years..." on DVD???
by "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
16) Re: Wow... I love the self righteous!
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:11:32 -0400
From: "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <anathema@ibbs.com>
Subject: About the Public Chat Room
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP_GEN.5105.5536@bbs.ibbs.com>
> Add 17159162 to your icq contacts list and join chat. It's a public
> chat SERVER, and NOT a private chat... it's PUBLIC, so come and chat!
People should also know (if they don't have ICQ) that it's available for
FREE download via http://www.mirabilis.com/download/
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:30:34 -0400
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Posting like a madman
Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF021FB90@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
I was just wondering something relating to the DP/ELP tour. When they
play Metropolis and the song starts while they are on the stage wouldn't
you prefer to hear THEM start the song LIVE even if they couldn't
recreate the perfect sounds of the original intro ??
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
Buy CNS stock - it's LOW !!
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:37:15 EDT
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com, 026831@bah.com
Subject: Re: Illness, Damon/Derek, and billions o' bitches...
Message-ID: <9f6b6e76.35d3244c@aol.com>
<< "I'm gunna fuck DIS bitch...I'm gunna fuck DAT bitch...I'm gunna fuck
ALL da bitches!" -- who knows the quote? >>
Um isn't that Jay from "Clerks"?
------Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:38:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980813133620.20504A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I'm assuming a transcript of this chat session will be posted
somewhere, either on the 'Jam or (hint, hint) UACM?????
yes? no? maybe so?
by the way, the "bitches" quote is from "Clerks"....BERSERKER!
-Al
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balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:38:55 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!!
Message-ID: <35D332BF.E748C131@netvision.net.il>
Al Balkiewicz wrote:
>
> I'm assuming a transcript of this chat session will be posted
> somewhere, either on the 'Jam or (hint, hint) UACM?????
>
> yes? no? maybe so?
>
> by the way, the "bitches" quote is from "Clerks"....BERSERKER!
"My Girlfriend sucked 36 Dicks!"
"In a row?"
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:46:47 -0500
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wow... I love the self righteous!
Message-ID: <010801bdc6ea$bb25b760$2c739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
You know what's the greatest thing about the jam? It's that you're
going to get bitched at no matter WHO you are, or WHAT you say, unless
you're Mike Portnoy. I happen to feel that when someone POSTS their
opinions to the jam, it means it's open for discussion. Why else would
someone post it? Are we to be considered content to just read it? Should
we all stay in our warm little places and say "You know, I don't agree with
this opinion, but even though it's NOT offered as an opinion, and even
though it is quite clearly ignorant of any facts or standards by which to
compare, I'm not going to voice my disagreement." Surely it's the opposing
viewpoints that allow for clearer explanation and for some amount of growth
in a discussion.
Perhaps the finest example is Matt Johnston. Loveable Matt is there to
console poor Erica when she attempts to shove her foot up someone's ass and
instead ends up eating it. Loveable Matt tosses insults in a very discreet
manner, hoping that people will just smile and say "Oh that loveable Matt!
Always getting into trouble!" You see, if you disagree with someone's BS
post, and voice your disagreement, you are anal. Be warned... loveable Matt
doesn't like anal people. Anal people disagree with his loveable comments
too often, and then he has to cry. Why do you cry, loveable Matt?
Matt, you're being a dick. You want to make everyone happy, that's
fine. But you can't bitch because people argue, and then argue yourself
because you disagree with something someone says. I'm personally sick to
death of this bullshit. I know several other people are too. What Derek
wants to do with (to?) his willing female followers in his own freetime is
his to choose. I don't care what you have to say about it, and I don't
think anyone else does. I don't think ANYONE cares to see you attempt to
inject your own interpersonal morality lessons into the jam. We're doing
just fine.
Choose your damn side, and stop jumping in when it's convenient. You
can't stand on both sides of the fence without getting your balls ripped off
on the barbed wire.
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
IRC: Madsman
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:43:51 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FII
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980813144351.0079bd20@pop3.afn.org>
>Alright, I don=B4t hate you and not your brother. I just think he said=20
>some quite stupid things. FII is one of DT=B4s best albums. And I=20
Yep, I consider it one of their top four studio LPs.
- Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:21:17 -0500
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: You're serious?
Message-ID: <011701bdc6ef$9e2bdcc0$2c739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
>Why using a Distorted guitar patch on a keyboard is a Bad Thing (tm)
>
>I think it comes down to a matter of respect. It implies "you aren't doing
>a good enough job on your instrument, so I'm going to sound like you and
>show you hwo it should be done" --- The point of having both guitar and
>keys in a band should be for DIFFERENT timbres, different feels. It would
>be disrespectful to use a saxophone sound for a keyboard solo if your band
>had a sax player. If the song calls for a solo with a distored guitar
>sound, iut should be done on distorted guitar. Also, a keyboard
>(currently) cannot equal the expressiveness of a guitar sound (when playing
>a gutar sound) -- direct manipulation of the strings has a lot going for
>changing the tonal quality.
You're serious? You think it's a matter of respect? You think JP feels
disrespected that Derek prefers to sound like Eddie Van Halen or Randy than
like Emerson? I think the sound a keyboardist chooses should be chosen
because he or she feels the sound best fits the vibe he or she is going for.
That won't always be piano and synth strings, or a saw wave or anything
typical. I'd cerainly kick Trev in the head he he ditched all his distorted
sounds at our jams. As for expressiveness, I think this gives a keyboardist
a new challenge. I was hanging with that loser Matt Guillory and his guitar
playing cronie James Thorpe this past weekend, and I know that Matt looks at
emulating a guitarist as a challenge. He's trying to get that whammy bar
chirp sound down now. :)
>If you're doing a keyboard solo, it should clearly be a keyboard solo. You
>can sound much more expressive when you aren't trying to emulate something
>else.
Dude, that doesn't make sense. Just because you use a sound doesn't
mean that you are constrained by the sound to only play like someone else.
Emulating an INSTRUMENT is often a way to tap into a creative force you
never would otherwise. I play Irish fiddle tunes on guitar now and then,
and it gives me all kinds of new ideas. I think if you try to emulate a
PLAYER you can end up screwing yourself, but an instrument? No. You're
only going to open your vocabulary more.
>I only use guitar sounds on mey boards when composing a guitar part to be
>played by a guitarist. It never sounds as good as a real guitar would.
You mean you know a guitarist who would play a part written by a lowly
keyboardist?!? :)
>From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
>Subject: [NDTC] I see asses, nothing but aaaaassseeesss...
Wow... that was the Lars Hellsten Magnum Opus. Awesome post!
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:03:57 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: general stuff
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980813200357.00698e5c@unet.univie.ac.at>
to damon who wrote:
<It just may be someday that tapes go the way of vinyl,
<(magine Awake on vinyl?)
huh whats at, i got awake on vinyl, whats wrong with that?
Matt wrote:
<But, if you like at least one aspect of something, it may be worth another
<shot. For example, when I got Fates Warning's No Exit, I didn't like it
<very much at all. But, I loved the heavy guitars. So I listened
<occasionally and somewhat casually to it, and before long Ivory Gates had
<hooked me. Awaken the Guardian, I bought it and only listened a couple of
<times; liked Guardian, but the others I could take or leave, pretty much.
<Didn't listen to it for about a year and then played it one day and really
<enjoyed it; go figure.
yea thats like it with the old fates stuff. you gotta listen many times and
then they never get outa your brain again, for a lifetime and eternity. its
what i appreciate about fw. but this only goes for their old albums.
guardian is one of the best prog albums i know, coming clos after awake (and
not so close after selling england, hehehe...)
its also true that if there is anything that attracts you you should give it
a chance.
but theres a problem concerning stuff like AOI. for you love dt, you would
not say right from the beginning, its shit even if you dont like it. stuff
coming from people you adore never gets kicked! just try it. record a stupid
song and play it to your friends. they may say "man i liked your last one
better" but never "fuck that shit!"
not that this goes for AOI, i love that anyway.
<It was Damon who reminded me of this (take a guess). There are little
<BS speech programs all over the place. One came with my old Amiga.
<They all go directly to the sound output, though.
AMIGA RULES!
sorry again, david!!!
never happens again
"mit amiga bin i immer erste liga"
(just for german jammers, hehehe)
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:52:34 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: daughter......
Message-ID: <01bdc6f3$ea18fa60$b720c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
<quote>
Before I get myself into trouble, I better explain...
I have the unique privilege of having a 15 year old (4 days until she's 16)
daughter that actually talks to her father. I mean about everything.
Here's the problem... She's 5' 2", 112 Lb., size 1, with a 36+" chest.
If that's not bad enough, she has one of those porcelain doll faces.
A bombshell like that, is a fathers nightmare.
</quote>
Uhhhhh, is it me, or does this sound like an opening to one of those
"Daughter Knows Best" sex stories? I was expecting some sort of kinky sex
after that opening, but all we get is Fates Warning, guns, dogs, and
Derek.... Hmmmmmmmmmm....
So, uh, what's her phone number? ;-)
October is gonna KICK ASS! Live Rush, Dream Theater, and Fates
Warning!!!!!!!!!!! Now, that will be my first FW album, but hell, why not a
live one....
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:56:13 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: kevek
Message-ID: <01bdc6f4$6c8f6a60$b720c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
uh.....
<quote>As far as the ongoing Mike Bahr/Kev Moore keyboard crap goes</quote>
I hate to break it to you, but Derek Sherinan is the keyboardist. Mike Bahr
is someone completely different....
Not to nag or anything :-)
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:18:21 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: What's Platypus?
Message-ID: <01BDC706.3A9DE740@175.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
Rob asked :
> I'm unaware of what Platypus is....who's in/on it?
Platypus are Derek Sherinian, John Myung, Ty Tabor
(King's X) and Rod Morgenstein. More info on UACM,
of course.
Mark Bredius
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Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website
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The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:09:50 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: huh
Message-ID: <35D3480E.C6046A02@trw.com>
Steve wrote:
> As far as the ongoing Mike Bahr/Kev Moore keyboard crap goes..why not
> give
> these guys a break, Mike filled Kev's shoes as well as he could, he's
> a
> professional musician not just a mere fan who makes a living from the
> vagueries of the copyright law. Both of these guys have their own
> style so
> let it lie.
Last I checked, there was no one by the name of Mike Bahr in the band.
-- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:12:14 +0200 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the beard Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980813201214.0069ab34@unet.univie.ac.at>
the old man told his tale:
>> Sorry man... just too mellow for my taste. >> Gotta have some more punch to it, more metal. >> Thanks tho..
>I HONESTLY thought the same exact thing. I kept hearing about how >mellow Spock's Beard is..... and I figured I wouldn't like 'em. >Boy, was I ever DEAD FUCKING WRONG. "The Kindness of Strangers" >absolutely, positively blew me away!
TRUE! you gotta give em a chance. a friend of mine, born true metal brother likes them and is gonna get with me to a gig 300 km away! theres something in their music that can give you power without needing neckbreaking riffs or solos. the beard is absolutely good MUSIC! (this should not mean that those who dont like them are assholes dont get me wrong, remmajestys!)
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:30:03 -0500 From: "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fw: "5 Years..." on DVD??? Message-ID: <000d01bdc6f9$28572cc0$65c8fecd@trevin>
Jammers!!
We need to get the label's attention!!!
>In a message dated 8/12/98 2:32:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >trevin@apexmusic.com writes: > ><< Wondering if there are any plans to release "5 Years..." on DVD? >> >
Mr. Portnoy is gracious enough to reply...
>Hi trev, >Myself being a HUGE DVD/Laser collector...I would kill for that... >I think a DVD with "Images - Live in Tokyo" together with the new "5 >years...", would be the coolest.... >Write to the label... >Mike
Even better...BOTH DT vids in digital!!!!
Maybe if WEA takes enough shit, they'll consider this. Then you can all buy it in Oct. and put it away for that day your 4 Head, HiFi FINALLY dies!!!!!!! :)
So, go raise your voice: http://www.elektra.com/mail/mail.html
Trevin Wagner
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Wow... I love the self righteous! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980813132416.17530A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Christopher Ptacek wrote:
> Perhaps the finest example is Matt Johnston. Loveable Matt is there to >console poor Erica when she attempts to shove her foot up someone's ass and >instead ends up eating it. Loveable Matt tosses insults in a very discreet >manner, hoping that people will just smile and say "Oh that loveable Matt! >Always getting into trouble!" You see, if you disagree with someone's BS >post, and voice your disagreement, you are anal. Be warned... loveable Matt >doesn't like anal people. Anal people disagree with his loveable comments >too often, and then he has to cry. Why do you cry, loveable Matt?
I cry because (sniffle sniffle) you're so mean! I can just take my ball and go home, you know ^_^
I'm actually touched that I'm the subject of a Ptacek expose. No, really, I am. This is kind of like a Ytsejam Bahr-mitzfah ^_^ Today I am a man.
But seriously, I consoled Erica because I had a crush on her. I toss the discreet insults to hone my descreet-insult-tossing skills, and I cry (sniffle) because you're so gosh darn mean! (sob!) ^_^
I don't know why you say I don't like anal people. I *am* anal, first off. I feel drawn to responding to grammar nzai posts. I feel the need to over*anal*yze posts from well-meaning posters who happen to disagree with the opinion I have that day. Or hour. Hell, even for that post! I find a new fact, and my opinions change. That's not wrong, that's called learning.
> Matt, you're being a dick. You want to make everyone happy, that's >fine. But you can't bitch because people argue, and then argue yourself >because you disagree with something someone says. I'm personally sick to >death of this bullshit.
Well, I've *yet* to be called a hypocrite, so if you want to have the honors, I'd suggest you go right ahead before somebody else realizes it and takes that potential trophy away from you.
Why is this on the jam? You're expressing an opinion, and arguing the validity of mine. We are equals, in this respect.
>I know several other people are too. What Derek >wants to do with (to?) his willing female followers in his own freetime is >his to choose. I don't care what you have to say about it, and I don't >think anyone else does. I don't think ANYONE cares to see you attempt to >inject your own interpersonal morality lessons into the jam. We're doing >just fine.
Yeah, but I wanted a big public display of my civil disobeidence! I wanted to show everybody that Loveable Matt Johnston can buck The System and be Lean, Mean Matt Johnston... (sniffle) I just wanted to impress you... (chuckle)
Seriously, though, if the Jam is a forum for DT-related opinions, then expressing my disagreement with Derek's verbage was not only on-topic, but perfectly okay and on-topic (there are those on-topic but not okay posts that crop up every once in a while).
I'm trying to e-mail people privately more often. I have been since about a month ago. I flubbed last week and accidentally sent a response that should have been private to the jam, got a couple of clever comments tossed my way, and blew up at the guy. I apoligized after it was brought to my attention that I had blown up at him, and everything was okay. it happens.
I express my opinions. You express yours. We're equals in that respect.
> Choose your damn side, and stop jumping in when it's convenient. You >can't stand on both sides of the fence without getting your balls ripped off >on the barbed wire. >
You are my barbed wire, baby. Rip me up. Make it sting. I think that the worst thing one can do is choose one side and then stay there. It's that kind of blind loyalty that had me showing up for the Load release party. Ouch! ^_^ My opinions change as my knowledge of the situation changes. I guess I just express more often.
So, what do ya'll think? Should I post less often? Should I post only serious, or only smart-ass? Maybe a good dose of homosexual overtones? Have I been to hetero lately? Less anal, more anal? Should I go back and check for spelling errors more often? Maybe a new haircut?
Since Chris has made this a public thread, let's end it publically! ^_^
>Chris Ptacek >someone@prognosis.com >IRC: Madsman > > > > >
--Matt (loves the feel of rusty barbed wire on his scrotum)
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