YTSEJAM digest 4182

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Date: Fri Aug 14 1998 - 02:20:23 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 4182

Today's Topics:

  1) Shai, don't forget to add i++
by JE78674@ltu.edu
  2) Blossom Show
by WazooDust@aol.com
  3) Did you know that the word 'gullible' has been removed from the n
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
  4) RockOnline chat reminder
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
  5) Re: to DAMON
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
  6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4181
by hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
  7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4181
by hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
  8) re: Opeth
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
  9) Gary Hoey clinic
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
10) Majestic Harmonies
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
11) YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) DT SHOW Cancelation?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
13) bye
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
14) Review: Explorer's Club - Age of Impact
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:10:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Shai, don't forget to add i++
Message-ID: <01J0K9DRD69U935CM8@LTU.EDU>

Shai quoted:

"My Girlfriend sucked 36 Dicks!"
"In a row?"

Correction:

It was 37 ;)

-Jeff E.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:16:39 EDT
From: WazooDust@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blossom Show
Message-ID: <3d5abf47.35d357b8@aol.com>

I am going to the show in Cuyahoga Falls. Any other jammers going? wanna meet
before or after the show? If this one is canceled someone please let me know.
Thanks

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:28:08 +0100
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Did you know that the word 'gullible' has been removed from the n
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE58B3@LON01XBCAPGE>

My fellow Brit Steve put his tongue firmly in his cheek and aroused the
following responses:

><quote>As far as the ongoing Mike Bahr/Kev Moore keyboard crap goes</quote>
>I hate to break it to you, but Derek Sherinan is the keyboardist. Mike Bahr
is >someone completely different....
>Not to nag or anything :-)
>
>Alex Smith
>bacchus@azstarnet.com <mailto:bacchus@azstarnet.com>

or.....

>Last I checked, there was no one by the name of Mike Bahr in the band.
>--
>|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
>| Pat Daugherty Email : Pat.Daugherty@trw.com
<mailto:Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> |
>| Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html
<http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html> |

-oOo-

Guys! GUYS!!! Go and take a remedial course in English humour!! Don't you
know that smileys are for unthinking lazy people!! Heaven save us from
people who take everything literally.

And in that vein, where's graham these days?

Oh, and I'm in the don't-care-if-Derek-humps-live-chickens-in-the-basement
faction. Now I might frown if he's horizontal jogging during the time that
he's supposed to be playing keys (although I stand to be corrected if he can
do both simultaneously and brilliantly), but at other times, let him be.
Everyone saw the tour reviews with 'Derek...bus...blonde' in them. Is Derek
preying on unsuspecting ingenues? Nope. So, more power to his elbow, wrist
and relevant other parts of his anatomy.

Jonathan

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:16:08 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RockOnline chat reminder
Message-ID: <01BDC718.C0046D20@109.154.dialin.mxs.nl>

Just a little reminder :

  August 14th 10 pm EDT - RockOnline.com
  Live chat with James Labrie and Mike Portnoy
  http://www.rockonline.com/

  Unfortunately, I won't be able to be at the chat
  since it'll be 4 am for me... I would appreciate
  it if someone could log this chat for me. I have
  been trying to contact RockOnline about this but
  their mailbox is full... Maybe they should check
  it sometime.
_____

For Steve Hogarth fans :

  There are a buncha online live chats on the way,
  *one* of them being a real audio phone interview
  on LiveConcerts.com. For more information, visit
  The Official H Website at :

http://www.hogarth.com/steve/

  Mark Bredius
  _______________________________________________________
  Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website
  http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
  The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:31:49 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: to DAMON
Message-ID: <622171b1.35d36956@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-08-13 10:38:22 EDT, you write:

> Damon, perhaps we can work something out in the future. E Mail me.

> Derek

LOL ahh Damon, I can sense you having heart palpatations. Are you the type to
jump up and down screaming? :}

~Lisa

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 00:57:48 +0200
From: hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4181
Message-ID: <199808132257.AAA12481@mail1.sol.no>

Chris so colorfully explained:
> Choose your damn side, and stop jumping in when it's convenient. You
>can't stand on both sides of the fence without getting your balls ripped off
>on the barbed wire.

Amen, Chris :)

In any case, I'd like to say one thing though.. And that is that I lost
the red thread in all the discussions that are going on..

One more question.. Does anyone knwo where I can buy some prog in Norway?
this place is fileld to the rim with Backstreet Buoys and Spiced girls,
but I'm fighting a dreaded fight to get a hold of some Steve Vai

"oh we are getting it next week"

*next week*
"we got it somewhere.. Wait"

*Twenty minutes later*
"well.. I guess we don't have it anyway. Come back next week"

*two weeks later*
"uhmm.. Are you gonna get mad if I say we still don't have it?"
"Hey.. Will you put that thing down"
"What are you doing?"
"aaah!! Help! help! please.. Don't hit me with that thing anymo..."
"-gurgle-"

.. anyway.. This jsut slightly illustrates my frustration.

Haje

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 00:57:46 +0200
From: hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4181
Message-ID: <199808132257.AAA12478@mail1.sol.no>

Trevin spoke:
>Even better...BOTH DT vids in digital!!!!
Yet better.. BEING ABLE to get the shows EVEN ON VIDEOTAPE in this
godforsaken country

*growl*

Haje

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:24:01 -0500
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Opeth
Message-ID: <35D391B1.EA36196B@ix.netcom.com>

> > Including:
> >
> > BRAND SPANKING NEW Opeth!!! I can't believe this one.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have this album yet. Where did you get a
> copy of it? Is it the Candlelight or the Century Media release?
>

I got the Candlelight release a couple months ago when I was in London,
and I must say that it is wonderful. It's faster and heavier than
Morningrise, but just as beautifully orchestrated. I love it. I
haven't been able to find Orchid yet, so I'll probably order from the
Century Media website pretty soon.

Also, earlier somebody mentioned buying the single size cd cases that
fold out to hold 2 cds so they can put their double disc albums in
them. Where the hell are you finding these? I went ahead and used my
Red Alert case to hold The Wall, but I have some other 2 cd albums that
I would like in the slim case also. I have looked at Best Buy, Circuit
City, Camelot, Sam Goody, and Blockbuster Music, and the only thing that
anybody has is just the single cases.

Justin James
jsj@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:56:25 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Gary Hoey clinic
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980813215625.006a855c@pop.negia.net>

Greetings ye 'jamanoids.....

earthblind, starbound remarked:
>You have to remember this, that people whose vcrs are still flashing
>12:00 have internet access these days.

Actually I don't have to remember this, I get reminded (forcibly) of it
about every twenty minutes or so during the day. I *have* to get out of
this tech support thing before, Eckie-like, I "go postal". :)

Just a couple remarks about the Gary Hoey clinic last night:

If you play guitar, have played guitar, or are even thinking about playing
guitar, GO SEE GARY if he comes near your area. He is one of the
friendliest, most charismatic guys I've ever met. He was funny as hell,
too, keeping up a nonstop flow of chatter in between songs and keeping the
whole clinic in stitches. He also spent plenty of time talking to everyone
afterwards, giving out signed glossy photos and signature picks, and taking
at least a couple of minutes with everybody.

His playing was impeccably smooth. He spent some time demonstrating the
capacities of the new guitar he's using (the Fender Big Apple Strat),
played several songs, and described and demonstrated several exercises for
the right hand and several for the left hand. Even non-musicians will get
something out of it, but guitarists will pick up a wealth of info just from
watching Gary.

One more funny thing. Gary mentioned that he used to go to clinics given by
people like Steve Morse and players of similar caliber when he was younger,
and he would come home from them thinking, "Okay, should I just put legs on
my guitar and turn it into an end table, or should I stay up until 3 AM and
practice?" Methinks he decided on the latter option. :) :)

Ta,
Phil

=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Steve Miller Band -- "Greatest Hits 1974-78"

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:53:27 EDT
From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Majestic Harmonies
Message-ID: <9b6ca031.35d3a6a8@aol.com>

Majestic Harmonies -- I take it back LeBrie's voice. . . oh shit.

You guys are really getting to me. I was about to cut on my favorite band.

Not quite! Gottch tho -- didn't I?

Nikki

~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~
~~I'm Learning to Live --J. Myung~~

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:53:51 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <35D3C2DF.D2D2E7F4@caribe.net>

YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH its almost 1AM BUT im friggin jumping up and
down .. WHY you may ask!?!?! i just saw this on the official site ( for
US down HErE this is BIG NEWS )

Possible shows in South America
Added on 08-13-1998

There is a possibility that Dream Theater will play on September 25, 26
and 27 in South America with Van Halen. There may also be a few
additional headlining shows in South America, Mexico and Puerto Rico.
More information will be made available as it comes in.

OH YEAHHHHHH time has FINalLY COME CowGOD!!!!!!!!!
ohhhhh pleaseee let it be trueeeee

In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:01:40 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>, THE MIRROR <themirror@makelist.com> Subject: DT SHOW Cancelation? Message-ID: <35D3C4B4.8EC552E4@home.com>

Does anybody know if this Saturday's DT/ELP/DP show (in Detroit) has been canceled?

Thanks, - Joe D.

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:19:52 -0400 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bye Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980814011952.00799a20@scott.skidmore.edu>

I'm unsubscribing from the jam because of family problems and it's not like I have a reason to be on here anymore. I'm sure you won't miss me.

Bye,

Erica

Erica Bonomi Deedlit on irc.dreamt.org 2112 and ICQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://deedlit.animeonline.org click here for the original mp3 of the week!

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Review: Explorer's Club - Age of Impact Message-ID: <19980814060143.22612.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>

Hi, folks, it's the Oregonian who only posts 5 times a year! Most of you know me as "M-Bone", and I'm back from the Ytsejam-dead for once. ;)

Well... either I haven't been paying attention, or nobody's posted a big review of "Age of Impact" yet. (Most likely the former, I know.) So, let me take this opportunity to do just that. In light of recent accusations by someone dubbed "Memkil", I'm also going to post something intellectual to the Jam (hehe), so this'll serve two purposes.

But enough about me. Time for some pure opinions...

I picked up "Age of Impact" last night whilst walking to the grocery store to pick up my weekly ration of bagels, meats and cheese... and just now got the chance to listen to it today. I've decided to separate out my comments into a "Plus" and "Minus" category for easy reading.

Big Plus: John Petrucci, as always, manages to create some beautiful solos that shine and bring new color to the music surrounding them. I'm perpetually amazed at this man's ability to play melodically and sonorously with incredible precision. I now know the reasons why some of you are fanatical about John and his playing... :)

Plus: Derek Sherinian and Matt Guillory pull off some wonderful key solos as well, throughout the whole album. Guillory, your synth lead tone rocks. I can't wait to hear what you've got on the new DD album. Derek, your synth tone didn't seem quite as strong as other stuff I've heard on FII (i.e., Lines in the Sand), but the solos were still very well done and left me wondering how your fingers move with such lateral speed. (Perhaps that explains the blondes... ;)

Plus: James LaBrie rocked on tracks 3 and 5! I was actually able to understand almost all of his words without falling back on my lyric sheet. Very well done... it adds an interesting touch to hear his voice among and interwoven between the other vocalists (e.g., DC Cooper), and the vocal variety on this album helps offset some of the minuses (listed later)...

Plus: The rhythm section played some very well-constructed and groove-kickin' riffs. I'm constantly amazed at Billy Sheehan's playing, but Wayne Gardner proves himself to be a competent rhythm guitarist as well. Nice job on the riffs, especially Track 3. That riff is still grabbing me in some very interesting ways.

Plus: Steve Howe's acoustic guitar intros (and solos) were beautiful! Enough said.

This leads me into the "Minus" section rather quickly...

Minus: Terry Bozzio's drum sounds did NOT FIT INTO THE MIX, in my opinion. I love the man's playing style (I listen to Bozzio Levin Stevens religiously), but I'm still set off by the contrasting sound of the drums and bass. The two just don't mix well together, especially in the first track. The rest of the instruments sounded like they were playing in a large cavern, but Bozzio's drums were locked in a small tiny room. The mixing of the two did not come off very well at all to my ears.

Perhaps it's because with the music style, I was expecting a more "80's Power Drums with a gated snare and good-sized reverb" sound in the rhythm section... which would probably have fit in better with the rhythm guitar and bass tone. Bozzio's cymbals seem to be too midrange-y and thick to really make the music shine in the style I expected, and of course the kick drum isn't loud enough. To me, the snare drum also sounds way too loose... it's not tight enough to be as precise as the music demands.

Truth be told, I was expecting something between Mike Portnoy and Def Leppard. But let's move on...

Minus: Trent Gardner's key solos seem well constructed and interesting, but his lead sound is .... well, not leading. It didn't quite grab me as much as it could've... sounds too passive to be a strong lead sound.

Minus (and a nitpicky one at that): Billy Sheehan, satisfy my pickiness and buy yourself an honest-to-goodness 6-string bass. Glub knows you play up in the high range all the time, and tuning that E down to a low C (or B) just sounded horribly muddy compared to the rest of your range. You'd like it, I'd like it, and the world would be a better place. ;)

In fact, you could buy my old one. It's an Ibanez Soundgear 6-string with neck-thru-body and active electronics. I'd even sell it to ya cheap. ;)

Minus: Lyrical repetition. Repetition, repetition, repetition. Halfway through track 3, I realized most of the lyrics had already been sung (sort-of) in track 1. Same with track 4. Same again with track 5.

To me, the lyrics in this CD don't "go anywhere". They bring up some good ideas and create an atmosphere of thought, but it doesn't really accomplish much. It stays on the same subject matter, it repeats itself, and it's only at the end of track 5 that a resolution or conclusion is reached.

Now some may say "well, all concept albums do that". In a manner of speaking, most concept albums have lyrics that tell a story, which progresses, rises and falls as it goes on, reaches conflict and resolution, and has a suitable conclusion. The lyrics here don't seem to have any story, any progression, any change in the conflict.

Minus: Track 4, during the bridge/solo section in the middle. Anybody else think too much is happening in this quiet spot on the CD? Gardner's key solo is beautiful.... Bemesderfer's winds are quite melodic.... Sheehan of course dips and weaves like a masterful Boston driver in heavy traffic, and Howe's guitar work needs no praise. But all together, I think they tend to trample each other into the ground of a murky prog-mud. Paired or singled out, these musicians would be able to produce a much better solo section.

Minus: The synth backgrounds tend to sound the same, after a while. Perhaps I'm picking at nits here, but most of what I remember (and I'm only on my second listen now, so bear with me) is the synth-piano or synth-orchestra patch and not a whole lot else. Of course, it sounds heavenly when set against Petrucci's solos (e.g., end of track 2), but it's the same thing over and over again.

Overall, I'm not very impressed with this CD. I'd honestly like to find the Ytsejammers who raved about it being "a prog-rock classic" and ask them if they've ever HEARD a YES album. I mean, granted, it's well constructed rhythmically, but this album lack a lot of the characteristics I'd expect in a prog-rock classic.

It's like listening to YES but not hearing any of the distinctive traits that make their music unmistakeably YES. It's like hearing Jethro Tull without any flute, guitars, or folk influences. It's like hearing Steely Dan without Donald Fagen's voice.

Or, perhaps more concisely... it's like chewing on a 5-day-old cake doughnut that happens to have some very nice sugar crystals on its surface.

End of review mode. I hope nobody takes this as an insult to any of the contributors on this CD, because it's not that at all. Especially Trent Gardner -- I understand the guy poured a great deal of his life, heart and soul into this, so no offense to him at all. Good job on the trombone there, Trent, that solo did sound really good. <* pats Trent gently on the back and tiptoes away... *>

Okay, later all... by my count, I only have three posts left for the year. ;)

[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] [ mail: schnoor@SpiritOne.com ] [ othermail: mschnoor@yahoo.com ] [ http://SpiritOne.com/~schnoor ]

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