YTSEJAM Digest 4180
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Song of the M... /
by "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com>
2) IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!!
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
3) Illness, Damon/Derek, and billions o' bitches...
by Jason Earle <026831@bah.com>
4) Strong PROGress is soon to be on!!
by WSUM <WSUMmusic@macc.wisc.edu>
5) New on the List
by stevev@selectiveinsurance.com
6) Re: Musings
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) re: tribute
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
8) Re: Musings
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
9) Rush
by "Stanich, Matt" <Mstanich@AMPSYS.COM>
10) Re: Strong PROGress is soon to be on!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
11) re: Chromakey
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) Savatage & Symphony X
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:03:13 -0500
From: "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Song of the M... /
Message-ID: <3CBB14EE9DB4D111B21100805FA71952D56DCE@cs01_exchange>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:20:18 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Song of the M... / XP-60/80
> Message-ID:
> <Pine.LNX.4.02.9808130112390.32113-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.
> be>
>
>
> Heya all,
>
> I also voted for ACOS already, but it seems to take a while before the
> page is updated. It's still in about 275th position with only two points,
> although apparently a considerable number of jammers have already voted.
> Also, ACOS is listed as A Change Of Season_ (no s), so I hope the guy who
>
> maintains the competition processes every email manually...
>
>
>
It said on the web sight that the list is updated once a week
usually
on Sundays. Monday should be very interesting.
Thanks,
Tim
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:06:03 -0400
From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980813160603.0107a620@artist-shop.com>
Hello Friends!
The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety
at <http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm>. In it you'll find some things of
special interest for Ytsejammers including the following:
Big news on the IRC front! At present we have three IRC Chats on the
calendar (with more in the works!). On Wednesday, August 26 at 9pm
eastern/6pm pacific we'll be chatting with keyboardist Kevin Moore who was
for eight years a member of Dream Theater. Kevin Moore left Dream Theater
in June of '94 in order to pursue his own musical direction. In the fall of
that year, he relocated to New Mexico where he began writing and recording
new material. Kevin has since started his own label, Fight Evil Records, on
which he's recently released his first solo album, Dead Air for Radios.
Kevin's band for this album features the Fates Warning rhythm section of
Mark Zonda and Joey Vera. This is a very dark album, not for the faint of
heart. Details on joining the chat can be found at
<http://www.artist-shop.com/irc>. To find out more about Kevin Moore and
Dead Air for Radios, go to <http://www.artist-shop.com/newlabel/index3.htm>.
Two eagerly anticipate releases from Magna Carta
<http://www.artist-shop.com/magna>, Attention Deficit and Explorers Club,
are now out! Call it mad scientist rock, or call it simply mad. Whatever it
is, Attention Deficit have entered the lab and blown it up, reaching right
into the atom heart mother of improvisational mondo rock, combining their
trinity of disparate elements, and letting new sonic monsters find life.
The record born is an exotic amalgam of bass, guitar and drums, a necessary
far-flung exploration that sprung naturally and spontaneously from the
collective mindmeld of three diverse and divergent talents, guitarist Alex
Skolnick, drummer Tim "Herb" Alexander, and bassist Michael Manring.
Age of Impact is a classic, Progressive rock masterpiece the likes of which
haven't been heard in years. With the services of a rhythm section to die
for, Terry Bozzio's drums (Zappa, UK, Missing Persons, Bozzio/Levin/Stevens)
and Billy Shehan's bass (Talas, David Lee Roth, Mr. Big) lay the bed for a
five part journey. Guitars are represented nobly by a core contingent led
by Dream Theater's John Petrucci, fresh from the kill with Liquid Tension
Experiment, and Magellan's Wayne Gardner. Other soloists lending power to
the cause include none other than Yes' Steve Howe and Death's James Murphy.
Keyboards are mostly composer Trent Gardner's domain while Dream Theater's
Derek Sherinian and Matt Guillory of Dali's Dilemma also contribute.
Explorers Club's vocal army is just as impressive. Dream Theater's James
LaBrie, Royal Hunt's D. C. Cooper, Dali's Dilemma's Matt Bradley and Cairo's
Bret Douglas deliver Garner's evolving, revolving tale, often underscoring
the tough, progressive metal aggression of tracks that are arranged like the
classics - Yes' Close to the Edge and Relayer, Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down
on Broadway and Trick of the Tale springing to mind.
Gary
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:19 +0000
From: Jason Earle <026831@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Illness, Damon/Derek, and billions o' bitches...
Message-ID: <35D2DC1F.AA7FB089@bah.com>
Ya know, I was debating driving two hours out of my way and two hours
back durring a work day while I'm swamped with stuff I need to do here
just to see DT and ELP in the E-Center.
Kinda glad I chose not to.
(Or perhaps I sent a certain drunner some poisoned cheesecake in order
to convince a certain tour to come down to Northern Virginia...Let this
be a lesson to ALL!!! Come to VA or I'll sneak my favorite regurgitant
into your Jeigermeister, mr. Portnoy! I'll poke little tiny holes in
all of Derek Sherrinean's condoms!!! I'll send a plague of locusts!!!
Fear my wrath!!!! AAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!)
On Derek/Damon thread: Way cool, Damon! I'm really impressed with the
level of fan/musician interaction here. I bet you wouldn't get that kind
of response on a Guns n' Roses fan page. Extra class points for
Sherrinean. You can have all the chicks in Northern Virginia just for
that. Yep, all of 'em. Just tell 'em *I* sent you.
"I'm gunna fuck DIS bitch...I'm gunna fuck DAT bitch...I'm gunna fuck
ALL da bitches!" -- who knows the quote?
Have a good one...
LoooooeeeEEEEEEE,
keeper of all da bitches.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:44:33 -0500
From: WSUM <WSUMmusic@macc.wisc.edu>
To: WSUMlive@macc.wisc.edu
Cc: radio@nuclearblast-usa.com (Nuclear Blast),
Subject: Strong PROGress is soon to be on!!
Message-ID: <199808131643.LAA50486@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
What's up people??
It's time for Strong PROGress...It's Thursday...It's a beautiful day out,
and there are tons of tunes to play here today.
Including:
BRAND SPANKING NEW Opeth!!! I can't believe this one.
MORE Explorer's Club!! Get's better with every listen.
PLUS god only knows what else.
FEEDBACK is requested so:
e-mail:
phone: 608-265-wsum
Got it?
(Ryan) Good!
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:51 -0400
From: stevev@selectiveinsurance.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New on the List
Message-ID: <Z6RK73lKav.stevev@selectiveinsurance.com>
]From: stevev@selectiveinsurance.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:51:49 -0400
Subject: New on the List
Hello all,
I'm new to the list (actually read the faq too) and just wanted to say h=
i.
I was able to see DT last Tues night at Harvey's Lake outside Wilkes Bar=
re
PA, it was my first time seeing them live and I have to say that besides=
the
band being all I was expecting and more, the mix was the best I have eve=
r
heard. No distortion, crystal clarity, as if listining to a studio
recording. We left after DT since the group feeling was that ELP and De=
ep
Purple would be somewhat anti-climatic in comparison, and wouldn't you k=
now
as we were walking back to our car (which took us behind the stage area =
on
the other side of a chain link fence) there was James L. talking to a co=
uple
of people. We were able to talk for about a minute or so, he mentioned =
the
double-live and some stuff about South America and also one of the songs
they played that is not on any album (I forget the title, maybe someone
could help me out there) and was impressed with the fact we were leaving
after thier set, calling us "die-hard fans" which made me feel somewhat
ashamed due to the fact that it was my first show. Anyway I had a total
blast, just wish they played longer, (of course), I think it was about a=
40
min. set or so. I may not get to see them live again for some time and =
just
wanted to keep the expierience fresh in my mind, thanks for listening.
Regards,
Steve
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:57:18 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Musings
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980813135532.9898A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, NGA wrote:
> how true, how true. The old Jam used to be a politer, more pleasant
> and laid back place, although there were exceptions. Any of the older
> members remember the great 'tribute album' battles? Whatever
> happened to that project? Probably just crawled into a corner and
> died. Still, nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
We still have a mailing list dedicated to the tribute album (if
that's what you're talking about). It's called YtseCD (for the lack of a
better name).
So, it didn't die. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:03:42 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: tribute Message-ID: <199808131657.MAA10688@bajor.ici.net>
Neil says:
> Any of the older > members remember the great 'tribute album' battles? Whatever > happened to that project? Probably just crawled into a corner and > died. Still, nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
And right in the next post....
> Also, I was thinking that maybe we could get some YtseJammers together > to form an internet DT 'cover band'. People on the 'jam who play > different instruments could record a whole song, or part of it,
Anybody else find that incredibly ironic? I blame Neil for bringing it up in the first place. Some topics should just be left to die. :)
__Pat Sullivan________________ Email: psull@just-like.nu WWW: http://www.just-like.nu ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Musings Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980813100635.4092B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> We still have a mailing list dedicated to the tribute album (if >that's what you're talking about). It's called YtseCD (for the lack of a >better name). > > So, it didn't die. :-)
Dude, we're like the third rebirth of the project after the legendary 'old battles.' These great wars died, rekindled, and died again before our time. (bows head) We must respect our ancestors, who fought so bravely, yet accomplished only destruction. Their follies will be our strengths. ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:12:08 -0400 From: "Stanich, Matt" <Mstanich@AMPSYS.COM> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush Message-ID: <413DD6A82453D111B1A0080009D9F1DD1B6740@ampsys.com>
Hello all-
With the recent spew of info about what is coming out over the next few months, many people have been mentioning the Rush 3 disc set. The vast majority still believe it is to be entitled "Dimlit Stages For All Ages." I personally could not think of a dumber name for an album, and am glad that the name has been changed to "Different Stages" which I think is much better, but I still think "Wilderness of Mirrors" would have been best. At any rate I've stuck the most recent info from the NMS homepage below for anyone who is interested (http://syrinx.yyz.com). Enjoy-
Matt Stanich
The title is "Different Stages" (formerly "Dimlit Stages For All Ages"), and is due for release on October 6th. This will be a 3-cd set: the first 2 cd's will be material from Rush's past two tours, the last cd will be a show recorded from the "A Farewell To Kings" tour -- the Hammersmith Odeon in London (February 1978).
Some tracks that have been confirmed as making the album (these are not in any order, and this is not the complete listing):
2001 * Dreamline * Test For Echo * Bravado * Limelight * Resist * 2112 * Leave That Thing Alone * Driven * Stick It Out * Animate * Nobody's Hero * Show Don't Tell * Drum Solo * Tom Sawyer * Cold Fire * Half The World * Roll The Bones * The Analog Kid * Natural Science
Some tracks that are still being considered:
Red Barchetta * Freewill * Ghost Of A Chance * Vital Signs * Limbo * The Pass
The partial track listing of the 1978 show:
Something For Nothing * Cygnus X-1 * Cinderella Man * A Farewell To Kings * Working Man * In The Mood
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:15:58 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Strong PROGress is soon to be on!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980813141209.9898B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, WSUM wrote:
> Including: > > BRAND SPANKING NEW Opeth!!! I can't believe this one.
Unfortunately, I don't have this album yet. Where did you get a copy of it? Is it the Candlelight or the Century Media release?
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Chromakey Message-ID: <19980813171755.13940.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
WaterIce25@aol.com inquired: > Also I'm new to this list, but has anyone heard the Chromakey album, > and could I get some reviews. Thanks
Well, I guess I'll just cut and paste this old review for you. There might be other people out there who didn't see this either. It may be on a webpage (The #Ytse Mirror), but I don't know the url.
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As many Dream Theater fans already know, keyboard player and songwriter Kevin Moore has been working on a solo music project since his departure from Dream Theater. He has dubbed the project "Chroma Key", and the newly released recording is titled "Dead Air for Radios". The players in Chroma Key are as follows:
Kevin Moore: Vocals, Keys, Bass Mark Zonder: Drums Jason Anderson: Guitar Joey Vera: Bass
Dead Air for Radios can be described as a "mood" piece. A somber, melancholy mood is maintained throughout the recording. Because of this consistency, the songs do seem to blend together on the first listen. This is not necessarily bad, since the "everything sounds the same" effect happens a lot when listening to new music. After a few listens, the distinctiveness of the individual songs becomes apparent.
The recording has a techno, modern rock feel, yet it might also be termed adult contemporary. It sometimes helps to list the influences that are evident when describing a new recording. Some well-known artists who come to mind are Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd, New Order, Duran Duran, Sting, Bryan Ferry and Tool. Of course the comparison is with the "somber" side of these artists. As a mood piece, the recording could be compared to Peter Gabriel's Security. This comparison is made stronger by the vocals, which come out very similar to Gabriel at times.
For fans of dialog and sound bites ala Pink Floyd, Queensryche or Dream Theater, you won't be disappointed. They are abundant throughout the recording.
Lyrically, Kevin holds true to his high-quality, somewhat obscure writing style. This abstract style lends itself well to the recording as a whole, and enhances the mood and imagery that are evoked by the music.
For guitar fans, there is hardly any guitar. For fans of solos (guitar or keyboard), there are no solos. This could be a problem for those who need some serious indulgence in their music. Dream Theater fans may find themselves itching for a song to "break out", but it doesn't happen.
The playing itself is excellent, as would be expected. Drummer Mark Zonder and Kevin Moore have both proved themselves time and again as world class players, yet on this recording, the emphasis is on subtlety and mood. Within this framework, the playing couldn't be better, even though many fans of previous works may be distracted simply by the knowledge of the explosive potential lying just beneath the surface.
The recording is short by current standards. It clocks in at 44:09 minutes, and 2 of the songs, although interesting, are more or less filler, consisting of dialog and sound bites, with background music (camera 4 and hell mary).
Keeping in mind the style of this recording, here's a description and rating of the songs:
colorblind - This song has a techno feel to it, due to the pulsing synth. The song starts with very effected vocals, and then moves into a cleaner sound, reminiscent of Peter Gabriel. Nice piano work abounds. (9/10)
even the waves - Many may be familiar with the demo version of this song. Here it is in a pristine state. Some strong rhythm guitar chords during the singing, subtle and simple guitar at the end of the song. One can almost feel a small boat rising and falling with the waves on this track. (9/10)
undertow - A very catchy tune! After the first few listens, it stands out the most. Starts off with a more upbeat drum part. The fast, catchy piano line and the chorus will stick in the brain after just a couple of listens. Song structure as a whole is more diverse and the vocal melody is less monotone than other songs. Would like to have heard the last "Goodbye"! (10/10)
america the video - A very techno-style, synth-heavy song. A little more upbeat than the rest of the recording. (6/10)
s.o.s - A demo-version of this song has circulated a lot, so many are familiar with this one. It's good to have a clean version. The guitar gets to come up-front in places on this track. (8/10)
camera 4 - Not really a song, but dialog with techno-music behind it. Interesting, but after few listens, it gets a little old. May work better as background music. (5/10)
on the page - Excellent piano work! Anyone who is looking for something similar to previous work such as Space-Dye Vest will find it here (although without the emotional lyrics). Chorus vocals may take some getting used to, but the music is top notch. (10/10)
mouse - A very melancholy, mood setting song. The songs starts with a dialog and there are lots of sound bites in the background. Part of "on the page" is reprised at the end of the song. (7/10)
hell mary - Not a song really, but an interesting work. Seems to be a computer generated voice, describing some type of solar/astrological event. Sound effects for a background. Kind of a story/mood piece. Those with imagination can almost see the event as described. (7/10)
As an overall rating, Dead Air for Radios gets a big thumbs up! Dream Theater fans need to be aware that this is not a "progressive-metal" recording. This review was written after a couple of days listening and as hard-core music fans will understand, this recording has not yet been tested for durability. It does seem to have an initial growth pattern, and can be appreciated more after several listens.
Dead Air for Radios is available through the Chroma Key website: http://www.chromakey.com/
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:22:36 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'David.Rothlisberger.1@uni.massey.ac.nz'" Subject: Savatage & Symphony X Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF021FB8F@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
David asked:
>> Are Symphony X, Angra, Stratovarius, etc. etc, similar to Savatage? >> >> Or to put it another way, if you DIDN'T particularly like Savatage >> but loved DT & Queensryche would you like the afore-mentioned >> bands?
I dont like Savatage much either (dont kill me JH !!) and I love DT and not-so-recent QR so maybe my opinion will be of value. I would go in the following order:
Symphony X - Divine Wings is by far their best one although those who are overly critical will find a tit-load of things to find wrong with Symphony X ........
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/wellerville/3/
Stratovarius - Visions or Episode (I prefer their latest stuff)
http://www.netlife.fi/stratovarius/
Angra Holy - Holy Land
http://angra.digitalchainsaw.com/
And a great place to start your search for prog rock/metal is the following:
There are mini reviews and band links for a lot of great bands.
But make sure that you have some of the stuff from Vanden Plas and Superior before you secure the above CDs !!
Vanden Plas = (although Ties' pooter seems to be down !!!!!!!!!)
http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/vp/vp.html
Superior can be reached at:
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@comversens.com
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