YTSEJAM Digest 4188
Today's Topics:
1) Re: FII songbook
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) Re: Reuseable Riff Phenom...
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
3) Playing the Metropolis Intro, DP/ELP/DT at the FLPAC
by MTeiper@aol.com
4) Fave keyboard moments
by AnalogGal@aol.com
5) Re: Fave keyboard moments
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) Theology
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) Rush live album
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
8) Any serious collectors care? / B.L.S.
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
9) Petrucci clinics
by Ibanez506@aol.com
10) reusable riffs
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
11) Country Music?
by "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG>
12) Time Machine
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
13) Learning to Live intro - a detailed look
by Calvin6S@aol.com
14) Re: Fave keyboard moments
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
15) Re: Learning to Live intro - a detailed look
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
16) Fates Warning
by AL <al@isd.net>
17) Address needed!
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:42:02 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: FII songbook
Message-ID: <001001bdc8b7$124abc20$31c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
| Hey guys, half a month ago, i was in Harlingen, TX. I went in to
|a Sam Goody store (i didnt even expect them to have some DT...), so i
|skipped their cd section, and procceded to check out their music book
|section.
i found mine at sam goody too. hmm, maybe it's a conspiracy... or maybe Mr.
Sam Goody likes DT and thus told all his stores to carry it. i dunno. don't
ask me hard questions like that. Moo.
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:45:41 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Reuseable Riff Phenom...
Message-ID: <002701bdc8b7$94227b20$31c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
|Now listen to Just Let Me Breathe, the part from time index..3:41-3:56.
|Now is it just me...or do these riffs sound STRIKINGLY FAMILIAR????
i don't have my cd with me (lent it to a friend, another convert! woo!) so
i can't check that, but just mantioning in case you haven't noticed that
the lie bassline is in there too. blast it all, i can't remember which song
(lits i believe) but it's there. O' course, that might be in the faq - aint
read the latest version. Moo.
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:24:37 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Playing the Metropolis Intro, DP/ELP/DT at the FLPAC
Message-ID: <96489c56.35d634d7@aol.com>
Hey All -
I know that there has been some talk lately about how it would be cool to hear
the guyz play the into to Metropolis rather than using the pre-recorded intro.
It is true that prior to the recording of the track for I&W, they used to play
the intro, albeit in a slightly different form than the finished product. It
is also true that they played the intro themselves on the I&W tour for a
couple of shows!
I was at one of them... I think it was something like May 13, 1993 at the
Palace Theater in Albany, NY. I know that they also did it in Providence,
Rhode Island 2 nights later cuz the show was broadcast on the radio and I have
a tape of it. This brief stretch of 2 (were there others? can anyone
verify?) shows where they played the intro, they changed the set up pretty
dramatically from their early gigs on the tour. If I remember correctly, this
was just after an overseas swing on the tour, and the Albany show may have
been the first or second gig after returning.
Anyway, the show completely threw me for a loop....... I was fully expecting
to hear the opening notes of the Metropolis intro to start the show. Rather,
KevMo strolled across the darkended stage and ripped into Learning To Live!!
The remainder of the set list featured Status Seeker (played for the first
time on the I&W tour starting with this leg, I think) and the Puppies On Acid
intro into Take the Time (the intro also played on this leg for the first time
on the tour). PoA/TTT was also in the middle of the set, and was not the
regular set closer. The pre-encore set closed with Metropolis, and the band
played the intro! It's been a while, so I can't remember exactly what exactly
got played and what didn't in regards to all the intro sounds, but I do
remember that it rocked my world! :-) Furthermore, the encore was Eve
(which I also heard for the first time) and PMU as the concert closer. It was
a VERY different, but sadly shortlived set list.
The only thing that sucks about my tape of the radio broadcast is the cut in
the tape that skips over the Metropolis intro!!! :-( The sound quality
rocks, and if I recall, James was VERY pumped that night. Does anyone have a
COMPLETE uncut recording? Please drop me a line. Anyway, I hope this helps
the discussion.
Onto other news.... last night was the DP/ELP/DT show at the Finger Lakes
Performing Arts Center. The fucking powers that be changed the start time of
the show at the last minute, I guess, and started at 7:15 when my tickets said
8:00! They posted signs at the venue noting the time change. A lot of
fucking good that did me travelling 4 hours from Albany! I know people have
said that DT has been starting early, so I tried to get my travelling
companions there EARLY. Well, I wasn't driving.... and that was my first
mistake. We stopped for dinner despite my objections. Then, we got lost cuz
the directions from the FLPAC website were NOT EVEN CLOSE to being correct.
(Whoever wrote those on the page had to have been on crack!) The bottom line
was that I got there in time to see only Hollow Years and Metropolis. :-(
But, those 2 trax rocked bigtime, and the fans were going postal for the guys.
It was great to see. Plus, ELP and DP both smoked. Bigtime. In related
news... Carl Palmer is my new god. Steve Morse is my other new god. :-) Go
see this tour. But get there EARLY! :-P
That's it for now...... Laterz!
- Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:05:15 EDT
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fave keyboard moments
Message-ID: <a31d5dd2.35d63e5c@aol.com>
Hands down, I'm going with the intro to "Lines in the Sand." It's big,
triumphant and totally DEREK!!!
Christina
Nicky Lemons is my hero!!!
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:44:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fave keyboard moments
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980815223927.26305F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, I will agree with that. But let's break this intro down just a bit.
Firstly, the bleedover from Hell's Kitchen is great. That final chord
triumphantly and very powerfully brings in the new song. Turn your
subwoofers down for this lest you be blown through the walls. Secondly,
that low end rumbling bass sound is so camn nice, I wish I had it for
myself. The analog lead sound that starts the song is nice, but I would've
like to have seen Derek whip out something else. After the lead sound does
its thing, we are slapped silly with what has to be the coolest guitar
sound ever produced on a keyboard, (Derek, hand it over, now.) Then, back
to the lead, the song's bass sound changes to F with the strangest attack
I have ever heard, but love, and then quickly back to D with that
wonderful guitar sound going all the way. Derek, you have to give up the
secret. Who created that sound and how did he do it? Were you people on
drugs? That has to be the greatest sound ever. What I would do with that
sound. i would make love to that sound. I would caress it and love it. I
would sleep with that sound. I would keep the disc with that sound under
my pillow and down my pants when not in use. BTW, I have been conversing
with Derek and got some info about his organ sound for all youi keyboard
players. He used to use a Korg bx3 organ simulator, but Korg discontinued
them (moreons) and now he uses the roland vk7 through a leslie. For
anybody hunting the bx3 down, Derek warns of their noisiness, which is
another reason he switched. Frankly, I don't hear any noise on FII, but
would you ever hear background keyboard noise on an album with other
instruments. i guess he knows best what he likes.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:54:44 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Theology Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980815235224.1437A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 MTeiper@aol.com wrote:
> In related news... Carl Palmer is my new god. Steve Morse is my other > new god. :-) Go see this tour. But get there EARLY! :-P
Ah... Isn't being polytheist such a great thing!?! :-)
> - Matt T.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:10:39 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush live album Message-ID: <19980816030926.FISS9931@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello, Haven't posted in a while, so naturally my first post back is to bitch and whine. Thanks for understanding fellas. I encourage you to at least read the last paragraph, if nothing else. I am very disappointed in the tracklisting for Different Stages. The lack of the back-album tracks that were played on recent tours is aggravating. I was really looking forward to Analog Kid, Vital Signs, and other songs like that. Not to mention many of the best songs off recent albums aren't there: Double Agent, Cold Fire, Ghost of a Chance, The Pass, War Paint, Presto. And I can't believe no one has said this yet: Presto album material is completely absent on the live album. That is ridiculous considering Presto is the worst produced album of the recent four and could most benefit from some live treatments. I will say this: I am thankful Natural Science made the cut, as well as Bravado (the live version of the latter song is incredible!). But really: Spirit of Radio, The Trees, Tom Sawyer, and Closer to the Heart have no business being on a live album again. If I wanted Rush's greatest hits, I'd have bought the retrospective set. 2112 is fine, since it is the full version and will sound very different tuned a full step down. And YYZ doesn't have that drum solo right in the middle this time. But again, like ASoH, they stick the drum solo in as its own track, separate from LTTA where it belongs. I like DT's live album setlist because, despite great songs being excluded, it represents material from ONE tour and is genuinely material that would be played at ONE DT show. The first two discs of Different Stages' material have songs that weren't even played on the same tour (Bravado and Stick It Out weren't on this last tour), that's annoying to me, but typical of Rush live albums: they're just compilations, not examples or even microcosms of shows. The saving grace here is the third disc, which has material many a Rush fan has been dying for 'lo these many years. As a final thought, I don't put all my faith in what the NMS has posted right now. Why? Look at the track list and ask yourself something: would Rush list Thus Spake Zarathustra as "2001" on the liners? I seriously doubt it.
Stodgers clings to his lingering doubts
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:35:01 -0600 (MDT) From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Any serious collectors care? / B.L.S. Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980815212856.1371A-100000@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
Hi all,
I know there are some serious DT collectors out there with anything and everything DT in their possession, so I have something that maybe somebody wants. It's the 3-song sampler CD from before FII came out, with BMS, YNM, and PS on it. I have no use for it, really, and I don't want much back for it. A swap of something, I guess.
I remember that when the Black Light Syndrome album came out, a lot of people weren't crazy about it. Well, I am, and mine has a scratch, much to my extreme chagrin. So I'll swap for that, or hell, I'll buy that flat if someone wants to sell theirs.
Like I said, I don't want much. A trade of something, if not B/L/S than something else.
Thanks... e-mail me privately at tedescom@colorado.edu.
Take care, MATt
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:19:19 EDT From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petrucci clinics Message-ID: <75cda9f0.35d66bd8@aol.com>
Does anybody know about any Petrucci clinics???
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:42:57 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: reusable riffs Message-ID: <35D67161.2BE164C7@bigfoot.com>
>Now listen to Just Let Me Breathe, the part from time index..3:41-3:56.
>Now is it just me...or do these riffs sound STRIKINGLY FAMILIAR????
For the part of JLMB, you could have just said, "the part right after the 'wait for sleep' riff". In fact, I would say that the part you're talking about is a continuation/mutation of that same riff, and what's more, I wouldn't be surprised to find that riff in a few other songs.
That's a similarity(jlmb/wfs) that's been pointed out before. But, I never noticed the riff in BMS until you mentioned it. So whatever the ytsejam version of a marvel no-prize is, I guess you get.
Now. Whoever's responsible for making adobe illustrator so hard to use that I want to ram a pitchfork through my head and eat spam, please step forward so I can bitchslap you. -- ................................................................ Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:13:52 -0400 From: "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: <thoughts@home.ease.lsoft.com> Subject: Country Music? Message-ID: <TCPSMTP_GEN.7107.19142@bbs.ibbs.com>
At a recent gig with Shania Twain at the Corestates Center in Philly (yea, you read that right... sorry, I have to brag about that, not many people can clain that opportunity.) I was seated front row center when I wasn't playing, and I accualy enjoyed it. This came to a surprise to me. I esspecially liked the opening act of some Lord of the Dance type of band. That was hard core country and tap dance stuff. I just imagined the Dukes of Hazard jumping into that big orange car with the confederate flag.
I have to admit, though, I was a little more attentive on and off stage when Shania came out in skin tight leather pants and a sports bra looking thing (I don't know much about feminine apparel)
In conclusion, some country music I accualy like now, but theres still some I can't stand. Shania's stuff seems more like pop than country. I would never buy a country album though.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:24:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Time Machine Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02.9808161022440.747-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Does anyone have any info on the Italian band Time Machine (are those the guys from the Galileo album?). Homepage, etc... There's not much on UBL on that band. Just a link to an 'under construction' site.
tnx
Peter
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 05:05:57 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Learning to Live intro - a detailed look Message-ID: <b26a22a9.35d6a0f6@aol.com>
Okay - a little while ago someone asked why the intro to Learning to Live was just so damn cool. Why did it sound so COMPLEX if Kevin Moore and John Petrucci are just repeating a small phrase again and again? The reason is of course PORTNOY. I brought this passage up before, but I'd like to go into more detail.
First and foremost, the passage is a repeating 15/8 line by Kevin Moore. Petrucci immediately jumped on this by playing staccato quarter notes. Of course, quarter notes don't divide evenly into 15 eighths. This allows the quarter notes to be on the downbeat for the third passage of 15/8 and the upbeat on the fourth passage of 15/8. Of course, this alone is very cool - but Portnoy didn't rest on Petrucci's creativity.
Portnoy broke out his calculator and started playing with numbers. 15/8 - should that be in simple time (quarter note gets the beat) or compound time (dotted quarter note gets the beat). Well as evidenced by just about every Dream Theater song, decisiveness is not a trait Portnoy is noted for :oP Not being able to decide on compound or simple time - Portnoy decides to use both.
The first two bars Portnoy uses compound time (dotted quarter note gets the beat) This means you should count like 1 - & - a - 2 - & - a - etc. In other words - three eighth notes per beat. So how does this work out? 15 divided by 3 = 5 OR 5 beats of 3 eighth notes per beat. I will show the way to count this out below. G = Petrucci's guitar F#5 staccato quarter notes S = Snare K = Kick (Bass Drum)
---------- Measure 1 -------- G G G G G G G G S S S K K K K K K K 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a 5 & a
---------- Measure 2 -------- G G G G G G G S S S K K K K K K K K 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a 5 & a
As you can see, it is like a swing 12/8 with one more measure tacked on. Petrucci's straight quarter notes provide the 2 against 3 feel - in different places in each measure thanks to the ODD 15.
By adding the extra kick in the last measure Portnoy makes the smooth transition into SIMPLE TIME for measures 3 and 4. This means the quarter note gets the beat or 2 eighth notes per beat or 1-&-2-&- etc etc. Okay, now take 15 and divide it by two. Of course it doesn't divide into a nice whole number - you are left with 7 beats and an extra eighth. In other words, one bar of 4/4 and one bar of 7/8. If Petrucci realized it doesn't divide evenly and exchanged the upbeat and downbeat stress - should Portnoy? No, Portnoy decided to stay on the downbeat - thereby making Petrucci's upbeat quarter notes even more effective. Following is the breakdown:
---------- Measure 3 -------- G G G G G G G G S S S S K K K K 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4
---------- Measure 4 -------- G G G G G G G S S S (little Tom Fill) K K K K 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4
If you really look at Portnoy's playing, the beats are actually simple. It doesn't take a Berklee grad :oP to play this on drums. What IS advanced is the creativity in applying these simple parts.
I could go into more detail, but it might get a little confusing. I do love transcribing out these parts because you can really see the importance of EVERY instrument. This isn't just a guitar fest as the drums and bass "hold down a beat". This is creativity in one of its most highest forms.
Imagine this section if Portnoy had just played a repeating 15/8 pattern 4 times in compound time and Petrucci just played staccato dotted quarter notes.
---- Measure 1, 2, 3, 4 ----- G G G G G S S S K K K K K K K 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a 5 & a
Would you like the part if they took this easy way out?
I don't know how to say this without sounding pompous, so I will just say it. My suggestion to any musician out there - take the time to listen to EVERY instrument. YOUR instrument isn't the most important.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:53:50 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fave keyboard moments Message-ID: <v01510100b1fc551a0778@[194.7.231.69]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Christina wrote:
>Hands down, I'm going with the intro to "Lines in the Sand." It's big, >triumphant and totally DEREK!!!
I agree. The moment them organs kick in really hit me in the head when I first heard it, and then the big-band thing, wow! Other favorites? If I had to list them all, it would probably take up two digests, but I'll leave you with a few:
- the piano part halfway through "Universal Mind" on LTE and "Cartoon Parade" (the whole song) on RMP, both by Jordan Rudess, my god :-) - the intro of LtL, including KevMo's solo - "The Big Blue" Ouverture(very moody stuff) by Eric Serra - "Tubular Bells" by Vangelis, Mike Oldfield's version comes second IMHO - "Lady of the Lake" by Rick Wakeman on TMaLoKAatKotRT (how's that for an acronym?)
Just my 2 uh, franks on the subject
FiveNgroK
CP: Sue Saad and the Next
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore)
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:07:37 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Learning to Live intro - a detailed look Message-ID: <v01510101b1fc5d9a06aa@[194.7.99.38]>
On last night's detailed analysis of the Ytsejam, Calvin6S wrote:
>My suggestion to any musician out there - take the time to listen to EVERY >instrument. YOUR instrument isn't the most important.
I hear you. I always listen to an album as a whole for the first two or three times, after that, I start analysing it, listening to each instrument on its own. After it's been analysed to pieces, when you listen to it as a whole again, it gives you a much broader view of each piece of music, it makes it easier to understand why each player is doing what he/she does.
FiveNgroK
CP: Sue Saad and the Next
P.S.: Platypus, TOMORROW !!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore)
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 05:05:30 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <35D6AEEA.A2AE26D8@isd.net>
Thanks to the jam, I purchased APSoG several months ago... At first, I could not get into it as a whole. Several sections I really liked, and several annoyed me. So... I decided to pick up Parallels. Soon after that, PS, NE, and IO. Fates has entered my "top 5" favorite bands. One unnamed band that begins with a "Q" has been bumped.
With a little push from Chris Ptacek, I decided to give it another go. I approached the listening sessions in the same manner I did with new YES releases. (this is back in the 70s, kids) So I loaded up the bong and.... Ahh, skip that.
Anyway, I just wanted to thank a few of the jammers for opening my ears. APSoG is now a favorite, as a whole. (There is still one itsy bitsy little part I dislike, oh well) -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:27:35 +0200 From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Address needed! Message-ID: <35D689E7.3A868D46@mol.com.mk>
Anyone knows the address for this:
> ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING LTE AND EXPLORER'S CLUB > > Please find enclosed a link and address that has been posted in regard to the > August 14th 10 pm EDT live chat with Dream Theater members James Labrie and > Mike Portnoy. They will discuss the recently released Liquid Tension Experiment > and Explorer's Club titles.
Thanks, Dushko
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