YTSEJAM Digest 4197
Today's Topics:
1) Jammers w/ ovaries
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
2) I don't know what to write as a subject line :-)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
3) Derek's imposter...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
4) Magnum
by Wilson <wilsncat@erols.com>
5) We're here for ya Derek!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Can anyone tell me....
by Bezerk02@aol.com
7) Re: CONCERT REVIEW: Van Halen @ Jones Beach
by AEllis1222@aol.com
8) META SECTION CD's
by META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org>
9) FII and APSoG
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
10) Re:Tricky Nicky
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) Re: CONCERT REVIEW: Van Halen @ Jones Beach
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
12) Re: Exposing the Imposter
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
13) Paul Gilbert Japanesse Extre song
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
14) Re:Tricky Nicky
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
15) Derek
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
16) re: Enchant
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
17) Re: female jammers
by Paul fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
18) FII
by Geddy Lee <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:54:36 EDT
From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jammers w/ ovaries
Message-ID: <19980818.195447.5071.0.DSeeger@juno.com>
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:43:56 -0700 (PDT) ytsejam@ax.com writes:
>
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:00:12 -0500
>From: Paul fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Female Jammers
>Message-ID: <35D9348C.C944819@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>How many chicks are on this list? Every girl I have met has heard of
>DT
>through their boyfriend or something like that, of course, I have
Sounds like we can form a support group..."Hi, my name is Debbie and I'm
a female Ytsejammer...." As for our numbers, I can probably think of
about 10 off the bat, but we will become an army of hormonal chaos, heh
heh.
>never
>met a real female musician. All I can say is, that is so cool. I
>would
>die to have a girl that liked DT as much as I do. That is exactly
>what
>I'm looking for in the girl I marry, and understanding and
>appreciation
>for the things I love ( thats not the only thing, but's it's up
>there!)
>Are any of the girl jammers musicians? I tell you right now, if I
>ever
>met a chick that could bust out some flam drags on the double bass,
>I'd
>..well, thats kinda personal.
>
>Just wondering,
>Paul
>
Wow, the Jam as a meat market? In that case...
SW ProgGrrrl, 24, blond/blue with a bachelor of music ISO ProgGuy. Glad
to say I didn't get into DT and other prog because of a guy....
Hee hee, sorry about that little outburst!
And while I'm in a rare moment of posting, anyone got any new Savatage
tour dates?
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:10:56 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I don't know what to write as a subject line :-)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980818230144.1664D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Nicole McWatters wrote:
> Yes, Kirby's reading the 'jam again.
Yes, Roger's reading the 'jam again (And you thought that you'd be
free from my lovely posts?)
[Derek's imposter?]
> Hmm... remind anyone of the good ol' days when D-man came out of the
> closet? (hi, btw!) I was starting to wonder why Derek was allowed to post
> personal replies to the 'jam.
Since I'm in ack mode, I receive all the headers (some other
people might have said this before) and it really doesn't look like the
posts from Derek are being forged. They seem to be authentic posts (every
post).
So, we can wonder about something: is Derek's account being used
by anybody else? Humm... (I'm of course assuming that he would NOT play
with such important issues like privacy).
[]s, Roger...
N.P.: Renaissance's "Ashes Are Burning" -- the MARVELOUS Annie Haslam will
be singing here in Brazil this Thursday. I'd marry this woman if she were
interested in an idiot like me, but since she should have a huge queue of
fans interested in her (that is, the offers should be incredibly
overwhelming), she's got a lot of people to choose as her husband (but
I've been told that she's already married -- well, but I can dream, can't
I?)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:24:48 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek's imposter... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980818232030.1664F-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Ok, I was reading both posts from Derek more carefully and discovered a difference between the headers: the message posted by the "fake" Derek use Netscape, while the message posted by the "real" Derek mas composed by a AOL program.
Hope it can help you in some way, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:50:11 -0400 From: Wilson <wilsncat@erols.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Magnum Message-ID: <199808190251.WAA13910@smtp3.erols.com>
Wow...Magnum on the jam...amazing. If you never heard of them pick up one of their many CD's. Good luck finding them though. It took me about 2 years to finish up my collection. Kingdom of Madness is still one of my all time favorite albums (I say album because I have it on LP...doh!). Anyone know if they are still around? The last CD I picked up from them was Rock Art. I wasn't too impressed with it.
Kevin (WilsonCat)
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:56:45 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: We're here for ya Derek! Message-ID: <003801bdcb1d$0309b5a0$180d84d0@korgx3>
>> Hello this is the real Derek. There is an imposter, I never sent either of >> these posts, someone has figured out a way to forge my Address somehow, I am >> asking you to stop now!!! That is totally FUCKED of you to do this...... >> Derek > >Derek (if that *is* your real name):
That really is Derek. If you look at the message props, the ones sent by the imposter are typed up using Netscape mail (netscape mail is Mozilla). The ones typed up by Derek are AOL 4.0 mail. There's just no way to trace the imposter through our path because the mail has already been processed and regurgitated by good ol' "thor." If the imposter sent anyone any private mail, please go to File Properties and see what local host the person's using. If you're unsure, send the mail to me and I'll see if it was Derek or not. You can start tracking the person who did it if you don't get a mailing list regurgitated message. Most likely imposter private mail will have been any private messages sent from "Derek" in the last 3 days. that is, if he sent any...
I hope you haven't responded to alot of provate mail, Derek. :D I don't want my mailblox flooded that much either. :D
Sorry this had to happen, D. I hope this munchmouth fucks off soon. -- Korgito burrito con carne
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:01:42 EDT From: Bezerk02@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Can anyone tell me.... Message-ID: <4ef1a66.35da4017@aol.com>
Hey gang,
I was hoping that someone could tell me the website for Scarred Records. Seeing as Prism is going away, I won't be able to order anything from them.
Aaron
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:38:28 EDT From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CONCERT REVIEW: Van Halen @ Jones Beach Message-ID: <43f3ce42.35da56c5@aol.com>
<<<My pick? Joe Satriani. This guy is all over the guitar and has fun doing it onstage. Its almost like he amazes himself sometimes by the way he laughs. I've been near the front at three Satch shows and still can't fathom half the stuff he does>>>
YES! Great choice. I surprised the hell out of a friend of mine, when he asked "if you could play like one player, who would it be". and I picked Satch. He has fluidity, grace and speed, and he's one of the most tasteful players around. Sure, Joe Stump is faster, Petrucci is more complex, and there are others who excel in certain areas, but Satch has them all covered.
~~~Art www.joestump.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:43:42 -0400 From: META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: META SECTION CD's Message-ID: <35DA660E.6C7CFFCF@dreamt.org>
-- I know I have done plenty of blatant self promotions well here is another. I will be at powermad so if any of you want a Meta Section CD but have been too lazt to order one but will be at powermad, just mention you saw this post on the jam and I will give ya a buck of on the CD (normal price $8, jammer price $7) anyway, I hope to see lots of ya there. Check out meta section at http://members.xoom.com/METASECTION/meta.htm I'll be the tall guy with long brown hair wearing an red DT "fix for 96 shirt" on friday. I will be whereing something that says META SECTION on it. probabely a pin. hope to see you all there.
- Layne
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out my new band META SECTION at http://members.xoom.com/METASECTION/meta.htm It's a mix of metal/industrial/progressive/rock. Check it out -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:09:51 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII and APSoG Message-ID: <000801bdcb37$fa92b3c0$a8f9ca98@rob>
Hey Jammers, I apologize if this is in MIME, I just upgraded to Microso= ft LookOut98.
Well, finally got my copies of FII and APSoG from BMG, only 2 months af= ter I ordered them!! Plus my account is STLL frozen. Yes they're that bad. Anyway, by listening to the demos and everyone's bickerings, I was under = the impression that FII was lamer than the other albums. Boy was I surprised.= I think FII takes I&W, Awake, WDADU, and ACOS, and puts it into one album. = Its AMAZING! Very Floyd-ish and very well composed. I hope (despite past complaints) that they continue to work with Kevin Shirley. There is not o= ne empty space on that whole album. One thing i must criticize though, is th= e use of too many effects on the guitars. Yes it made the album, but hey, thats enough :) It was well worth my money.
As for APSoG, well done! I love the variation of music genres. Parts II and III are hinted with industrial, while some classical appears througho= ut rest. The vocal passages are a little stretched out, but that adds to the emotion. This too has its Pink Floyd elements of it. But I absolutly LOVE the drum passage just past 3:30 of part VI. Now that is cool. I can now c= all myself a Fates Warning fan, and more albums are to come. I love the YtseJ= am! A place to get away from today's monotonous crap!
=A0=A0=A0-Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800 bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:20:46 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Tricky Nicky Message-ID: <35DA6EBE.242DBD63@isd.net>
Nicky Lemons wrote: >blablablablalballballabllalbla.... >See it? What the fuck is this? Derek: Have you been getting into Labrie's stash again?
I'll bet Derek has a girl or two around just to spritz his eyes with water when he's to sToNeD to blink. ;o)
Four days until DT/ELP/DP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome back to Minnesota, guys.
Derek, I better get a damn sig. I've had this FII hat at three DT shows. I'll put on a wig and wear a skirt if this will help.
I'm going to show up early, so if you see a big dude with a short beard, wearing a wig, skirt, and FII hat, whispering "Be vewy, vewy, quiet, I'm hunting Dewek" It's me! Get you're fucking Sharpie out. -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CONCERT REVIEW: Van Halen @ Jones Beach Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980819023946.11084A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Ed is a good keyboardist? Hmmmm, let's analyze the keyboard stuff I know. Ed is not a Derek or a Kevin More. Jump? The keyboard solo in the middle is interesting. Dreams. No solos, nice keyboard sounds, though. Bassic chords. Love Walks in, same. Right now. Nice piano riff, but it isn't very challenging. I heard that Ed was classically trained on keys, but I have a hard time believing that and have just kind of dismissed that. Yes, I like Ed on keys and wish there were more keys in VH sometimes, but he is not on my list of top keyboardists.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Exposing the Imposter Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980819025145.11084B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Oh, come on, Korg. I was kidding about clinton. I hate all politicians. Not just him. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:01:22 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Paul Gilbert Japanesse Extre song Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980819020122.0089c2e0@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
if you liked King Of Clubs and you got it on the states check out my site this week cause I uploaded the Extra song from the japanesse release....it will be there only for a week though... check the dry ending --- MP3 of the week - "I Do" By Paul Gilbert (Japanesse extrea track of "King of Clubs", check the dry ending) http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:13:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: AL <al@isd.net> Subject: Re:Tricky Nicky Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980819031317.11084H-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Al, what is wrong with you. Take your daughter to the concert, give her the hat and send her over to Derek and have her get the sig.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:17:46 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek Message-ID: <01BDCB52.3B7126F0@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
The real Derek versus the imposter Derek? Here's the truth - it's just Kevin Moore trying (successfully) to fuck your minds.
stay safe and happy tiggering Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Misanthrope - Visionnaire
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:31:40 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Enchant Message-ID: <35DAFDEC.3C99@fh-niederrhein.de>
"KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote :
>Speaking of bands breaking up, why didn't anyone mention anything about >Benignus (Mike Geimer) leaving Enchant?!?!? Holy shit! No wonder Arash was >saying they sounded more alternative. I think Mike added alot of the >ambience to the band. That really sucks. Not that the other guys can't >write anything, I'm sure... But just listen to Mettle Man and you'll see >what Benignus added. :P It says they had to sequence all of the key parts >fro the new album. Ick. >P
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :-((((((( Where do you have this information ?
Benignus was the man. Mettle Man and Mae Dae are so incredible. The complete Blueprint album is a kind of never ending dream. I love it. As far as I know, Michael Geimer was allready out of the band once in 1995. The best songs on Wounded "Below Zero" and "Missing" are without him. Also he didn't play on the Yes tribute album. Paul and Douge are playing the keys !!!
Ed Platt has left the band early this year and now this :-(((((((((((
Actualy, on the new track "King" Ed still plays the bass. As for keyboards, I don't know but this song is the worst Enchant song ever (IMO). The vocal medloy isn't good. Thr keys are totaly in the background. And the song is only 4:33 min long ! I also know that the title track "Break" is only 5:03 min long !
Btw, Korgx3 didn't you had an Enchant page which was 10000 x better than the official one which still says "The band will record the new album in summer or something". A Blueprint of Web or something ?
P.S. On the cover of "Break", the original Enchant font dosen't exsist anymore :-(
NP : Enchant - Time Lost
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:42:17 -0500 From: Paul fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: female jammers Message-ID: <35DA81D9.B522066E@bellsouth.net>
First of all...I'm sorry if anyone misunderstood me. I didn't mean that girls can not be musicians, I think there should be more girl musicians, I was just saying that in my neck of the woods (north Louisiana) there aren't any girl musicians.
>>um..hey now I am not a female musician unless you count singing years ago, BUT I found Dream Theater all by my self with no help from any guy or BF or insignificant other. In fact I wish I had a BF to turn HIM onto Dream Theater. AS for meeting a female musician.....your life is not yet complete until you do!>>
thats awesome, every girlfriend I have had has listened, and not liked DT. One of them said she did, but thats just because she knew I liked them so much.
>>um...what about a Lady Jammer who may not play the drums but understand what that means! or who totally digs a sharp cracking snare?>>
you rule!!!! Just an understanding of real music in a girl would drive me wild. I have to warn you now, Coldfire, if I ever meet you in person, I'm going to have to kiss you, there isn't anyway around it!!!
Paul
drumsrus@bellsouth.net THE DIEZMAN TRIO OFFICIAL WEBPAGE:::: (i play drums in this band, so check it out) http://surf.to/thediezmantrio
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:52:35 +0100 From: Geddy Lee <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII Message-ID: <98Aug19.094852gmt+0100.31362@gate.tranemo.se>
BassicRob wrote this about FII:
> Anyway, by listening to the demos and everyone's bickerings, I was = under > the impression that FII was lamer than the other albums. Boy was I =20 > surprised. > I think FII takes I&W, Awake, WDADU, and ACOS, and puts it into one=20 > album. > Its AMAZING! Very Floyd-ish and very well composed. I hope (despite = past > complaints) that they continue to work with Kevin Shirley. There is = not one > empty space on that whole album. One thing i must criticize though, is = the > use of too many effects on the guitars. Yes it made the album, but = hey, > thats enough :) It was well worth my money.
Well, that was my first impression, too. I was totally over the top = after my first two or three listening sessions. But, the more I = listened, it tended to become dull & lame compared to the other albums. = First of all, it's far too commercial. I was expecting a PROG album. = What I got what was only HALF-prog, and HALF-commercial dullness. Tunes = like "Peruvian Skies", "You Not Me", "Hollow Years", "Burning My Soul", = "Just Let Me Breathe", "Anna Lee"... they are just plain tunes, written = before, rewritten with a new band in a new production. The songs I dig = are the prog ones: "New Millennium", "Hell's Kitchen" (or maybe not = prog, but it's darn good), "Lines In The Sand" and "Trial Of Tears".
Floyd-ish? What are you on anyway?
And when it comes to Caveman Shirley - I guess he's a good guy, trying = to do his best all the time, and I bet DT are satisfied with his work. I = am NOT. On my Hi-Fi, parts of FII and LTE (both mixed by the Caveman) = sounds AWFUL, thanks to the production! You say the number of guitar = effects bother you... where are the guitar? What earlier was so dominant = has become so vague...
I didn't really like the producer of I&W, just for MP's snare sound = (yuck! >P), but the rest of I&W is wonderful to hear. A thick, full and = complete sound. AND it's a great album. The "Awake" production is = PERFECT. I.e. it sounds so good it tends to be boring at some times. My = bandmate is over the top when he listens to "Awake", not for the music, = only for the sound.
Put away FII and listen to I&W, "Awake" or Genesis' "A Trick of the = Tail". Now THAT are albums!!!
Shirley sucks,
GL "Alive at both ends but a little dead in the middle"
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